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post #10201 of 16125
So what exactly is the "Prime Time Anytime" for? My wife records a lot of shows, but can't get to them right away due to kids, family, life etc...so if there is a time limit on the Prime Time Anytime stuff, its just not a feature that we could use. The DVR is the best feature, its really your shows when you want to watch them. Thats what we need. And me I love sports, and high quality picture. All this other stuff is muddying up the waters for me...Hopper/Joey is the same as Genie, so I just need to fine tune what I'd use and not use. I did like that travel dish that Dish Network offers, for tailgating...that could be useful, does DirecTV have anything like it?
post #10202 of 16125
Good news and bad news!

The good news.... I'm not crazy. I took the 7th ES8000 panel back to BB tonight and actually had them hook it up and view the 3D on Kung Fu Panda 2 after it displayed the same 3D background errors on both the Oppo 103 and PS3. They immediately noticed the excessive crosstalk infused backgrounds and how they were hazy, out of focus with 3D errors (where things in the backgrounds were not properly in the background instead floating in the middle so to speak... background clouds were the best example of this type of 3D error where they just kind of floated in the foreground or middle) and said this can't be right. Keep in mind neither of the two Magnolia reps have ever actually viewed 3D on a 60ES8000 nor had a 60 instore display hooked up so would they really know if it was a defective set or the 3D on certain movies is just that bad with the 60ES8000. I say certain movies, because a number of ones I tested were fine with only a few things muddled in the background, where as other movies like Kung Fu Panda, Monsters Vs. Aliens, and Frankenweenie all displayed excessive background crosstalk and/or cloudy/hazy backgrounds in multiple scenes. I didn't notice any background errors on live action 3D blus, only on the animated 3D blus. Also the sample size was only about 6 movies or so. None of these errors occurred with the 65ES8000s, but did on 3 straight 60ES8000s. The only thing I can think of since no one else has reported any problems with cross talk similar to what I have posted is that maybe transporting the sets laying flat face up is somehow damaging or messing up the 3D function since 3 of the 4 60ES8000s had problems displaying 3D correctly.

The bad news.... I finally got the warning for excessive returns on this my 7th BB return of an ES8000. Obviously, I wasn't going to keep the set after confirming I wasn't imagining the problems with the 3D, so instead of exchanging again I just had them refund the money this time. So i'm now banned for 90 days from exchanging at BB. They did re-confirm that if I did need to make a return/exchange, just to bring my wife with me and use her ID, but at this point I figured it was pointless.

I really did like the set and would have loved it if I actually received one that wasn't defect free. Now I just have to be patient I guess and see which will come out first, the new Pannys or new Sammys..... but I highly doubt quality control will be any better on the 65F8000s and fully expect frequent dead pixels and vertical banding on those as well.

I soooooooo wish I didn't get rid of the 65ES8000 as in hindsight, the level of vertical banding on the set I had is something I could have lived with if I knew that the 3D on the 60 was going to be this big of a problem due to either quality control problems or just being an inferior 3D image to the 65.
post #10203 of 16125
Thats a lot of work for a TV...did you box it back up each time and return it? Do they charge restocking fees, well I guess not for defective stuff? You tried the 60" or just 65"?
post #10204 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Good news and bad news!

The good news.... I'm not crazy. I took the 7th ES8000 panel back to BB tonight and actually had them hook it up and view the 3D on Kung Fu Panda 2 after it displayed the same 3D background errors on both the Oppo 103 and PS3. They immediately noticed the excessive crosstalk infused backgrounds and how they were hazy, out of focus with 3D errors (where things in the backgrounds were not properly in the background instead floating in the middle so to speak... background clouds were the best example of this type of 3D error where they just kind of floated in the foreground or middle) and said this can't be right. Keep in mind neither of the two Magnolia reps have ever actually viewed 3D on a 60ES8000 nor had a 60 instore display hooked up so would they really know if it was a defective set or the 3D on certain movies is just that bad with the 60ES8000. I say certain movies, because a number of ones I tested were fine with only a few things muddled in the background, where as other movies like Kung Fu Panda, Monsters Vs. Aliens, and Frankenweenie all displayed excessive background crosstalk and/or cloudy/hazy backgrounds in multiple scenes. I didn't notice any background errors on live action 3D blus, only on the animated 3D blus. Also the sample size was only about 6 movies or so. None of these errors occurred with the 65ES8000s, but did on 3 straight 60ES8000s. The only thing I can think of since no one else has reported any problems with cross talk similar to what I have posted is that maybe transporting the sets laying flat face up is somehow damaging or messing up the 3D function since 3 of the 4 60ES8000s had problems displaying 3D correctly.

The bad news.... I finally got the warning for excessive returns on this my 7th BB return of an ES8000. Obviously, I wasn't going to keep the set after confirming I wasn't imagining the problems with the 3D, so instead of exchanging again I just had them refund the money this time. So i'm now banned for 90 days from exchanging at BB. They did re-confirm that if I did need to make a return/exchange, just to bring my wife with me and use her ID, but at this point I figured it was pointless.

I really did like the set and would have loved it if I actually received one that wasn't defect free. Now I just have to be patient I guess and see which will come out first, the new Pannys or new Sammys..... but I highly doubt quality control will be any better on the 65F8000s and fully expect frequent dead pixels and vertical banding on those as well.

I soooooooo wish I didn't get rid of the 65ES8000 as in hindsight, the level of vertical banding on the set I had is something I could have lived with if I knew that the 3D on the 60 was going to be this big of a problem due to either quality control problems or just being an inferior 3D image to the 65.

Cmay - that's a great ordeal for a TV. I purchased the 65" as well and noticed vertical banding on both sets and returned it. I really liked the TV as well but can't put up with paying a lot of money for a TV that's not perfect. The other thing that bothered me was the viewing angle. It seems to be worse than other LED that I've seen on display. I'm in waiting mode like you and hope the F8000 series will be better.
post #10205 of 16125
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

So what exactly is the "Prime Time Anytime" for? My wife records a lot of shows, but can't get to them right away due to kids, family, life etc...so if there is a time limit on the Prime Time Anytime stuff, its just not a feature that we could use. The DVR is the best feature, its really your shows when you want to watch them. Thats what we need. And me I love sports, and high quality picture. All this other stuff is muddying up the waters for me...Hopper/Joey is the same as Genie, so I just need to fine tune what I'd use and not use. I did like that travel dish that Dish Network offers, for tailgating...that could be useful, does DirecTV have anything like it?

Prime Time Anytime basically records the 4 major networks during prime time hours. You can then access the Prime Time list and select certain shows that have been recorded to "save" what you want, or you can pick a show such as the Office for example, and set an option for it to always be saved and added to your folder (Dad,Mom,Kids,Etc.). It comes in handy, and there have been a few times I've been working, only to come home and gladly find that P.T.A. recorded Monday Night Football for me (or whatever else was on that I might have missed)

The shows that you don't save are erased after so many days. But the ones you select to save don't take up any of your DVR space either. I think that the function actually works like VOD, because it did not seem to be streaming when played back. But when you check each show saved from P.T.A. it shows that it is taking up 0% of your DVR space (not that you need much extra space with the Hopper anyway)

The auto-hop feature is enabled on all P.T.A. recocrdings and saves you from having to press the skip or fast forward button basically

Hope this helps. You can't really go wrong either way smile.gif
post #10206 of 16125
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Thats a lot of work for a TV...did you box it back up each time and return it? Do they charge restocking fees, well I guess not for defective stuff? You tried the 60" or just 65"?

Tried 3 65ES8000s. First two had dead pixels, third one after testing it for a week decided I was not happy with the vertical banding especially on anything that panned.

Tried 4 60ES8000s. First had dead pixels, second the 3D didn't work correctly, third had dead pixels, and the 4th and final also had 3D that didn't work correctly (or the 3D on the 60ES8000 is just that bad). Now on the 4th and final, I can't confirm the 3D was definitely defective because the BB could not test on a second set to see if it was the same, but either way I was not going to keep a panel that could not translate the entire 3D image correctly.

I think a couple people put it best earlier that ignorance is bliss and I do know there are alot of 60ES8000 owners who swear their sets are perfect or do not put a high priority on a sets 3D performace.... but bad 3D on 3 out of 4 (and most likely 4, but I never tested it on the 4th due to the dead pixels) is not a coincidence. I even took Garnochs advice and took the 60 ES8000 over to my dads so we could do a side by side comparison with the old 65VT30. When he viewed the ES8000, he didn't think anything was necessarily wrong at first, but when we did the side by side (he also had a copy of KFP2 so we had them both running next to each other) he then realized the issues the 60ES8000 has and immediately noticed the problems I tried to describe about the 60ES8000 not being able tor translate background scenery correctly, instead displaying many parts of a background as hazy and out of focus crosstalk.

This could have been a unique issue with just the 60ES8000 october HS01 builds I received, or alot of 60ES8000 owners have not viewed enough 3D material to run into the specific movies or scenes that the 60ES8000 has trouble translating correctly or they have nothing to compare it to and don't realize that the 3D is not supposed to look like this. Again.... for the most part this issue only manifested itself on a handful of occasions on the movies I played, but on certain movies like KFP2 and Monsters vs, Aliens, it was so bad that the movie was unwatchable.... similar to how the vertical banding on the 65 was only noticeable on a handful of scenes in most of the movies I tested, but then on certain movies the banding made them unwatchable.

But in the end, I have returned to my opinion that Samsung did a terrible job by making a 65 panel that has major vertical banding issues, and a 60 that does not perform 3D correctly. If they can just create either a 60 or 65 that can do both, then they really would have the perfect panel then.
post #10207 of 16125
NO SOUND !!

Turned off last night, all was well. Turned on this morning, no sound. Dead.
Can switch over to antenna input and all is well, but no sound from external device (TIVO)

Suspecting the TIVO box, I swapped it with one from the bedroom. No Joy. Still no sound.
All that's left is cabling, though I doubt that's the problem. We have an HW e450 which I switched off and on (going back to regular TV speakers) but still no sound.

ANyone else ever had this problem?
post #10208 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Tried 3 65ES8000s. First two had dead pixels, third one after testing it for a week decided I was not happy with the vertical banding especially on anything that panned.

Tried 4 60ES8000s. First had dead pixels, second the 3D didn't work correctly, third had dead pixels, and the 4th and final also had 3D that didn't work correctly (or the 3D on the 60ES8000 is just that bad). Now on the 4th and final, I can't confirm the 3D was definitely defective because the BB could not test on a second set to see if it was the same, but either way I was not going to keep a panel that could not translate the entire 3D image correctly.

I think a couple people put it best earlier that ignorance is bliss and I do know there are alot of 60ES8000 owners who swear their sets are perfect or do not put a high priority on a sets 3D performace.... but bad 3D on 3 out of 4 (and most likely 4, but I never tested it on the 4th due to the dead pixels) is not a coincidence. I even took Garnochs advice and took the 60 ES8000 over to my dads so we could do a side by side comparison with the old 65VT30. When he viewed the ES8000, he didn't think anything was necessarily wrong at first, but when we did the side by side (he also had a copy of KFP2 so we had them both running next to each other) he then realized the issues the 60ES8000 has and immediately noticed the problems I tried to describe about the 60ES8000 not being able tor translate background scenery correctly, instead displaying many parts of a background as hazy and out of focus crosstalk.

This could have been a unique issue with just the 60ES8000 october HS01 builds I received, or alot of 60ES8000 owners have not viewed enough 3D material to run into the specific movies or scenes that the 60ES8000 has trouble translating correctly or they have nothing to compare it to and don't realize that the 3D is not supposed to look like this. Again.... for the most part this issue only manifested itself on a handful of occasions on the movies I played, but on certain movies like KFP2 and Monsters vs, Aliens, it was so bad that the movie was unwatchable.... similar to how the vertical banding on the 65 was only noticeable on a handful of scenes in most of the movies I tested, but then on certain movies the banding made them unwatchable.

But in the end, I have returned to my opinion that Samsung did a terrible job by making a 65 panel that has major vertical banding issues, and a 60 that does not perform 3D correctly. If they can just create either a 60 or 65 that can do both, then they really would have the perfect panel then.

Sad but true...Samsung's quality control has slipped...big time.
post #10209 of 16125
Samsara: was there a 3d combo pack released or is this just a 2d release?
post #10210 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

NO SOUND !!

Turned off last night, all was well. Turned on this morning, no sound. Dead.
Can switch over to antenna input and all is well, but no sound from external device (TIVO)

Suspecting the TIVO box, I swapped it with one from the bedroom. No Joy. Still no sound.
All that's left is cabling, though I doubt that's the problem. We have an HW e450 which I switched off and on (going back to regular TV speakers) but still no sound.

ANyone else ever had this problem?

I would have to read back, but I would check which input (assuming HDMI) in that others had similar when using HDMI 2 which is the ARC input. If you just swapped out the box, and kept the same cable/input on the tv, and the issue remained, that would be a good place to start.
post #10211 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Samsara: was there a 3d combo pack released or is this just a 2d release?

I believe domestically it is just a single bluray or a DVD, but not in a combo. I do not believe this was ever a 3d movie. International versions are available in a bluray/DVD combo.
post #10212 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

Prime Time Anytime basically records the 4 major networks during prime time hours. You can then access the Prime Time list and select certain shows that have been recorded to "save" what you want, or you can pick a show such as the Office for example, and set an option for it to always be saved and added to your folder (Dad,Mom,Kids,Etc.). It comes in handy, and there have been a few times I've been working, only to come home and gladly find that P.T.A. recorded Monday Night Football for me (or whatever else was on that I might have missed)

The shows that you don't save are erased after so many days. But the ones you select to save don't take up any of your DVR space either. I think that the function actually works like VOD, because it did not seem to be streaming when played back. But when you check each show saved from P.T.A. it shows that it is taking up 0% of your DVR space (not that you need much extra space with the Hopper anyway)

The auto-hop feature is enabled on all P.T.A. recocrdings and saves you from having to press the skip or fast forward button basically

Hope this helps. You can't really go wrong either way smile.gif

Based on my fathers, the primetime shows stay for 7 days unless you select your favorites to stay. Also, in addition to recording your primetime shows, your tuners for recording other shows at the same time still work.
post #10213 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Good news and bad news!

The good news.... I'm not crazy. I took the 7th ES8000 panel back to BB tonight and actually had them hook it up and view the 3D on Kung Fu Panda 2 after it displayed the same 3D background errors on both the Oppo 103 and PS3. They immediately noticed the excessive crosstalk infused backgrounds and how they were hazy, out of focus with 3D errors (where things in the backgrounds were not properly in the background instead floating in the middle so to speak... background clouds were the best example of this type of 3D error where they just kind of floated in the foreground or middle) and said this can't be right. Keep in mind neither of the two Magnolia reps have ever actually viewed 3D on a 60ES8000 nor had a 60 instore display hooked up so would they really know if it was a defective set or the 3D on certain movies is just that bad with the 60ES8000. I say certain movies, because a number of ones I tested were fine with only a few things muddled in the background, where as other movies like Kung Fu Panda, Monsters Vs. Aliens, and Frankenweenie all displayed excessive background crosstalk and/or cloudy/hazy backgrounds in multiple scenes. I didn't notice any background errors on live action 3D blus, only on the animated 3D blus. Also the sample size was only about 6 movies or so. None of these errors occurred with the 65ES8000s, but did on 3 straight 60ES8000s. The only thing I can think of since no one else has reported any problems with cross talk similar to what I have posted is that maybe transporting the sets laying flat face up is somehow damaging or messing up the 3D function since 3 of the 4 60ES8000s had problems displaying 3D correctly.

The bad news.... I finally got the warning for excessive returns on this my 7th BB return of an ES8000. Obviously, I wasn't going to keep the set after confirming I wasn't imagining the problems with the 3D, so instead of exchanging again I just had them refund the money this time. So i'm now banned for 90 days from exchanging at BB. They did re-confirm that if I did need to make a return/exchange, just to bring my wife with me and use her ID, but at this point I figured it was pointless.

I really did like the set and would have loved it if I actually received one that wasn't defect free. Now I just have to be patient I guess and see which will come out first, the new Pannys or new Sammys..... but I highly doubt quality control will be any better on the 65F8000s and fully expect frequent dead pixels and vertical banding on those as well.

I soooooooo wish I didn't get rid of the 65ES8000 as in hindsight, the level of vertical banding on the set I had is something I could have lived with if I knew that the 3D on the 60 was going to be this big of a problem due to either quality control problems or just being an inferior 3D image to the 65.

I'm glad you had them hook it up and see for themselves though so they didn't think you were crazy. I only have blurred backgrounds that look odd when things are out of focus to begin with but my point is I think I know exactly what you're talking about although I never categorized that as crosstalk so to speak. We were talking about this issue or at least a similar one with The Avengers a couple months back.
post #10214 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

NO SOUND !!

Turned off last night, all was well. Turned on this morning, no sound. Dead.
Can switch over to antenna input and all is well, but no sound from external device (TIVO)

Suspecting the TIVO box, I swapped it with one from the bedroom. No Joy. Still no sound.
All that's left is cabling, though I doubt that's the problem. We have an HW e450 which I switched off and on (going back to regular TV speakers) but still no sound.

ANyone else ever had this problem?

I have't heard of this one here, Cap'n. That sucks. I think I understand but let me just ask - are you connected via HDMI directly to the TV? Have you tried other cables and other inputs? Do you normally use the internal speakers?
post #10215 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I'm glad you had them hook it up and see for themselves though so they didn't think you were crazy. I only have blurred backgrounds that look odd when things are out of focus to begin with but my point is I think I know exactly what you're talking about although I never categorized that as crosstalk so to speak. We were talking about this issue or at least a similar one with The Avengers a couple months back.

I never did get a chance to put Avengers in to see if it happened with that one as well, but it definitely sounds similar to what I have an issue with..... and if I never had the 65VT50, let alone the 65ES8000 which had the best 3D image of all three, I probably would never have thought anything of it and thought like many 60 owners that all was good. But having recently watched a ton of 3D on the 65ES8000, it was fresh in my mind how it is supposed to look and if indeed the 3D on the three 60s in particular were not defective, then the only other thing I can chalk it up to is that the panel in the 65, albeit a vertical banning one, does have superior capabilities in regards to properly translating the 3D image. Maybe the 60 just can't do the 3D algorithm correctly hence the 3D errors.

For those 60 owners who have the Avengers and participated in that discussion..... if the 3D on the Avengers does not look as razor sharp as the 2D version, then that is the problem I am encountering as the Avengers was razor sharp in 3D on both the 65VT50 and 65ES8000. Kung Fu Panda 2 and Monsters Vs Aliens are good examples as well. I think as many of you watch more 3D whether it be new releases or finally watching older catalog titles, you will begin to notice what I am referring to.

Perhaps the evolution kit will fix this defect on the 60ES8000s, or maybe the Sharp made panel is just not capable of it as I've read that 3D on the Sharp Elites is actually the worst of all the major brands, despite the 2D being one of the best.
post #10216 of 16125
Cmay,

I can't even tell you if I notice a difference between my 65" and 60" because I don't even have my 60" connected to a blu ray player to check the 3D. If I get a chance, I take a look, but I haven't heard of the 3D being different between the 60" and the 65" before. I'm sorry your going though this hassle
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/16/13 at 7:43am
post #10217 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

NO SOUND !!

Turned off last night, all was well. Turned on this morning, no sound. Dead.
Can switch over to antenna input and all is well, but no sound from external device (TIVO)

Suspecting the TIVO box, I swapped it with one from the bedroom. No Joy. Still no sound.
All that's left is cabling, though I doubt that's the problem. We have an HW e450 which I switched off and on (going back to regular TV speakers) but still no sound.

ANyone else ever had this problem?
Menu< Anynet< turn receiver on. I assume you have an AVR in your system. Something like this happened to me for no reason. I have my AVR connected to HDMI2 on the TV. My STB, BD player, and Apple TV are connected to the AVR.

EDIT: The thing will not post what I wrote for some reason. The Anynet settings are in System I think.
Edited by thebignewt - 1/16/13 at 8:36am
post #10218 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Cmay,

I can't even tell you if I notice a difference between my 65" and 60" because I don't even have my 60" connected to a blu ray player to check the 3D. If I get a chance, I take a look, but I haven't heard of the 3D being different between the 60" and the 65" before. I'm sorry your going though this hassle

Welcome back Anthony.
post #10219 of 16125
Thanks man...

I just want to say thanks for all the info on Direct TV and Dish. You guys would make great sales men. I am now considering getting rid of Comcast HD and going with Direct TV thanks to you guys smile.gif
post #10220 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I never did get a chance to put Avengers in to see if it happened with that one as well, but it definitely sounds similar to what I have an issue with..... and if I never had the 65VT50, let alone the 65ES8000 which had the best 3D image of all three, I probably would never have thought anything of it and thought like many 60 owners that all was good. But having recently watched a ton of 3D on the 65ES8000, it was fresh in my mind how it is supposed to look and if indeed the 3D on the three 60s in particular were not defective, then the only other thing I can chalk it up to is that the panel in the 65, albeit a vertical banning one, does have superior capabilities in regards to properly translating the 3D image. Maybe the 60 just can't do the 3D algorithm correctly hence the 3D errors.

For those 60 owners who have the Avengers and participated in that discussion..... if the 3D on the Avengers does not look as razor sharp as the 2D version, then that is the problem I am encountering as the Avengers was razor sharp in 3D on both the 65VT50 and 65ES8000. Kung Fu Panda 2 and Monsters Vs Aliens are good examples as well. I think as many of you watch more 3D whether it be new releases or finally watching older catalog titles, you will begin to notice what I am referring to.

Perhaps the evolution kit will fix this defect on the 60ES8000s, or maybe the Sharp made panel is just not capable of it as I've read that 3D on the Sharp Elites is actually the worst of all the major brands, despite the 2D being one of the best.

You may be right. Which makes me wonder what could be so different in the 65" and 60" and if the quad core cpu and new gpu in the Evo Kit would make a difference. Hmmmm.
post #10221 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Thanks man...

I just want to say thanks for all the info on Direct TV and Dish. You guys would make great sales men. I am now considering getting rid of Comcast HD and going with Direct TV thanks to you guys smile.gif

Thanks, and if you're a smoker, I've got some great e-cigs to sell you on too to kick the habit smile.gif

Welcome back by the way! If I can ask, you say you have a 60" and a 65".... does that mean Samsung did wind up swapping your 60"D with an ES? If so, when you get around to checking on the 3D on both, let us know.
post #10222 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I soooooooo wish I didn't get rid of the 65ES8000 as in hindsight, the level of vertical banding on the set I had is something I could have lived with if I knew that the 3D on the 60 was going to be this big of a problem due to either quality control problems or just being an inferior 3D image to the 65.
I said several pages back that you shouldn't keep trying these TVs and get another brand. Unfortunately there are so many features in these things that can be imperfect that a perfectionist is going to drive himself nuts with one. And you can't really fault BB for basically shutting you off with returns. There has to be a limit somewhere. I would have shut it off at 3 and given a refund. I don't even want to search for dead pixels. Why? Because if I can't see them watching shows and discs they don't affect me.
Separate question about Direct TV: what are the 3D channels and are they any better than "fake 3D" that we can see on our sets? We watched that IMAX Under the Sea 3D movie last night and that was amazing!
post #10223 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Separate question about Direct TV: what are the 3D channels and are they any better than "fake 3D" that we can see on our sets? We watched that IMAX Under the Sea 3D movie last night and that was amazing!

I think it's only three 3D channels right now.
n3D which is for specials in 3D once in a while
Cine3D which is 3D rental movies
ESPN 3D
Yes these are real 3D channels, so it looks way better than fake 3D. Watching ESPN 3D is pretty cool.
post #10224 of 16125
Yes, Samsung swapped out one of my defective D series for a ES. They were going to swap my 65" as well, but I decided to just keep it since the banding seemed to still be an issue with the new ones. It does have one dead pixel, but I don't notice it unless I really go looking for it, so I decided when they delivered the 60" to not look for any and just be happy with it because it seems like most sets have atleast one anyways.
post #10225 of 16125
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Sad but true...Samsung's quality control has slipped...big time.

+1
This is why I highly recommend extended warranties on these sets. Especially when you can buy one for only $100. I usually don't ever buy extended warranties, but one of the things I learned when dealing with Samsung is they are really big on warranties. I look at it as if I never use the warranty, I'm only out $100, which is nothing compared to the cost of repairs and labor charges I would have to pay if I didn't have it or even the cost to buy a new set.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/16/13 at 9:59am
post #10226 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I said several pages back that you shouldn't keep trying these TVs and get another brand. Unfortunately there are so many features in these things that can be imperfect that a perfectionist is going to drive himself nuts with one. And you can't really fault BB for basically shutting you off with returns. There has to be a limit somewhere. I would have shut it off at 3 and given a refund. I don't even want to search for dead pixels. Why? Because if I can't see them watching shows and discs they don't affect me.
Separate question about Direct TV: what are the 3D channels and are they any better than "fake 3D" that we can see on our sets? We watched that IMAX Under the Sea 3D movie last night and that was amazing!

I'm considering trying the Sony 65HX950. The GM of my local BB this morning said he would override all returns in regards to my 90 day ban so they go through if I need to make more exchanges. At the moment, I'm just not sure I want to pay $5,000 for a Sony but am considering it since I'm not 100% keen on plasma so the 65ZT or VT 60s may still not be the best fit for me and I'm most likely never going to try another Samsung after this many defective sets ruling out the F8000. The HX950 just came out this past fall so Sony most likely won't have another flagship offering for quite some time as well.

Trust me, I really wish I wouldn't notice stuff like dead pixels, vertical banding and 3D errors, but I have a keen eye and unfortunately easily notice this stuff..... and there is a huge difference between you being able to watch and be happy not knowing if there are dead pixels compared to me that can spot them from 8ft away even if I'm not searching for them.... in my case it would be settling for a defective product since I know they are there which I'm not willing to do.

If more people took the attitude of not settling for dead pixels, banding, etc.... these manufacturers would be forced to improve quality control, but unfortunately your mindset is more the norm than mine is. Also, I bet the majority of the people in this thread would not keep a TV if there were any dead pixels and they had the ability to return.
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From what I hear though, the Sony HX950 has Samsungs panel. If I were you, I would wait until the new models come out. From what people are Saying that were at CES this year, it seems that the 2013 models are a big improvement from 2012. Also they are making the F8500 plasma sound like it has the same brightness as the LED but with way better black levels. They are saying its the closest thing to OLED from what I've been reading. I've also heard the new F8000 looked like it had "better" uniformity compared to the ES and they are saying that the 3D looks better as well. I know for me, I definitely plan on getting either the F8500 or the F8000, or maybe even a ZT60. The new models just seem to be a lot better this year.

I'm assuming the new models will be coming out in March. That's when the ES came out. I'm hoping for some more info soon though.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/16/13 at 10:34am
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I'm considering trying the Sony 65HX950. The GM of my local BB this morning said he would override all returns in regards to my 90 day ban so they go through if I need to make more exchanges. At the moment, I'm just not sure I want to pay $5,000 for a Sony but am considering it since I'm not 100% keen on plasma so the 65ZT or VT 60s may still not be the best fit for me and I'm most likely never going to try another Samsung after this many defective sets ruling out the F8000. The HX950 just came out this past fall so Sony most likely won't have another flagship offering for quite some time as well.

Trust me, I really wish I wouldn't notice stuff like dead pixels, vertical banding and 3D errors, but I have a keen eye and unfortunately easily notice this stuff..... and there is a huge difference between you being able to watch and be happy not knowing if there are dead pixels compared to me that can spot them from 8ft away even if I'm not searching for them.... in my case it would be settling for a defective product since I know they are there which I'm not willing to do.

If more people took the attitude of not settling for dead pixels, banding, etc.... these manufacturers would be forced to improve quality control, but unfortunately your mindset is more the norm than mine is. Also, I bet the majority of the people in this thread would not keep a TV if there were any dead pixels and they had the ability to return.

Just make sure you check out the 950 thread because banding and pixel issues seems to be about the same there - though I think uniformity seems better on the 950. 3D is close to the ES but it's not quite the same. This is just what I gather from trying to keep up with that thread. It's also much heavier which can be good or bad. The question is, would it be worth the extra money. I really don't know. If you do, please let us know what you think here too, or point us to any posts you might have. Thanks, man - good luck.
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I also saw a video on YouTube that shows a 70" F6400.. Im really happy that Samsung is coming out with affordable sets in 70"
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Just make sure you check out the 950 thread because banding and pixel issues seems to be about the same there - though I think uniformity seems better on the 950. 3D is close to the ES but it's not quite the same. This is just what I gather from trying to keep up with that thread. It's also much heavier which can be good or bad. .

That's bad if you have to keep loading them back into the truck lol:Dl.
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