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post #10291 of 16129
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

I posted a while back in relation to the vertical banding on my 65".

I can report that Samsung agreed to give me a refund on the panel after sending a technician out. The tech could see the banding immediately on the inbuilt "test picture" and didn't even want to see it on other sources to confirm that it was a distraction.

I have a 60" ES8000 to replace it and it's a near-perfect panel.

I cannot see any banding in normal use, unlike the 65" where it was noticable 20% of the time in normal viewing (especially panning shots etc).

I know this is only repeating what others have said but it reconfirms the quality of the 60" over the 65" model.

A couple of other subtle differences; the anti-glare screen on the 60" is somewhat different to the 65" model, it's hard to describe it precisely but to me the 60" screen coating looks a bit "smoky" whereas the 65" screen coating was super-clear and more reflective. The bezel edges on the 60" are smaller. Apart from that, overall PQ is just the same (less the banding). I did notice that game mode on the 60" (HDMI signal from the XBOX360) set the panel's HDMI black level to LOW, whereas the 65" detected it and set the black level to "NORMAL", apart from that one quirk the panels are practically identical.

I'm very happy with the 60" model.

1000

Thanks for the update and congrats, 1000! After the 3D talk the past couple days, can you comment in that after you've tried it out?
post #10292 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Garnosh may be able to recall particular scenes on the Avengers. I watched that also on the 65 and the entire movie was as sharp and detailed as the 2d version. I only mention avengers because Garnosh mentioned people commented on hazy backgrounds similar to what I described recently in this thread a few months ago.

On the 60, for instance in Kung Fu Panda 2 which was the most blatant example I ran across, the opening scene after the intro where Po is stuffing his face while the others cheer on, all the characters in the foreground are razor sharp. Many of the walls and background items are hazy out of focused and sometimes double imaged. This may not seem unusual to the casual viewer since everything in the foreground is focused, but having recently watched the exact same thing on the 65es8000 the night before i knew that it was not supposed to look like that. On the 65, everything that was hazy and ghosting in the background was in focus and sharp. This happened in a handful of movies I tested, but only noticed it here and there and didn't think anything of it until I saw what it did to Kung Fu Panda 2. Another scene where it is really bad and out of focus is in the cave with the dragon statue shot. Master shi fu is in focus but everything else is a mess with 3d errors like mist which is supposed to be in the background misplaced everywhere and the dragon hazy. It's hard to describe unless you see it.

Also to the other poster, it has nothing to do with make of model of the glasses as both the Panny and Sammy glasses were fine on the 65 and both displayed the issues with the 60.

Other movies I noticed minor examples included monsters vs aliens inside the alien space craft and Frankenweenie inside the classroom.

I don't think anything was defective, I honestly think the sharp made panel is not capable of rendering 3d as well as the banding panel on the 65.

One of the scenes in The Avengers we had been talking about was when Loki was on the dark planet talking to the other bad guys.
post #10293 of 16129
Guys on the 7100 thread are reporting the ShamrtHub flash is gone. Just tried it on mine, and it does indeed appear to be gone. My flash was so brief it's possible I could've missed it, but after three tries I'm calling it fixed (I never had disappearing icons, etc.)
post #10294 of 16129
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Really? Brand new account, one post, just for this? lol...

Hey, if you really want to help Chris - - process the Ricoflashback Directv referral AND knock another $10.00/month off Chris's monthly bill!

I see that offer on TV all the time!
post #10295 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Thanks for the update and congrats, 1000! After the 3D talk the past couple days, can you comment in that after you've tried it out?

To tell you the truth, I paid little regard to the 3D image quality. I watched Avengers on the 65" and Abe Lincolm: Vampire Hunter on the 60" and both looked good. I can't really say if either panel handeled it any better than the other because I don't really do much 3D viewing and don't know what to look for really and 3D quality is the last consideration I make when choosing a panel. I don't even know what crosstalk looks like really, but I can confidentally say that both the 60" and the 65" 3D looked significantly better than the 3D on the VT50 I had briefly. Far more colour, brightness and vibrancy.



1000
post #10296 of 16129
Just got my bias lighting strip with dimmer "on/off" switch from Inspired LED.

Total cost - $47.50 for the 36" strip, power supply and dimmer "on/off" combined switch. I was not sure that a 36" strip would be enough lights for my 65" Sammy.

Works great! Very bright lights - - glad I got the dimmer. Four settings - second setting is bright enough for my man cave. Easy install - - well worth the investment.
post #10297 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Thanks for the update and congrats, 1000! After the 3D talk the past couple days, can you comment in that after you've tried it out?

I recommend people test 3d when comparing 65 vs 60 with animated films since that is where I noticed it the most.
post #10298 of 16129
Hey at least I'm fitting Samsung ES8000 into my text for fun but this is my most off topic post ever (sorry Jack)...
This is perhaps the best tech article ever written. So funny because it's real.
http://lookrobot.co.uk/2013/01/14/the-panasonic-toughpad-press-conference/
post #10299 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Hey at least I'm fitting Samsung ES8000 into my text for fun but this is my most off topic post ever (sorry Jack)...
This is perhaps the best tech article ever written. So funny because it's real.
http://lookrobot.co.uk/2013/01/14/the-panasonic-toughpad-press-conference/

That was awesome. As a former business reporter/editor, I often felt the same way sitting through corporate media presentations.
post #10300 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Hey at least I'm fitting Samsung ES8000 into my text for fun but this is my most off topic post ever (sorry Jack)...
This is perhaps the best tech article ever written. So funny because it's real.
http://lookrobot.co.uk/2013/01/14/the-panasonic-toughpad-press-conference/

I saw that earlier today from a blog link and agree - very impressive reportage. Photo descriptions are excellent. And while I finally bought a tablet before Christmas, I fear I will sometime soon regret not waiting for the TOUGHPAD even if I might not be capable of containing its power.

For On-Topic content: curious about cmay's reports - I am one of the regular (though infrequent) posters with neither a 65" or 60" -- mine is the 55" ES8000. I remember the brief discussion a few months back about 3D background blur but repeatedly tested the content I had available which was called out for examples and couldn't see what others reported seeing. Still don't. Really interesting if in fact the different panels (Sharp vs. Samsung) resulted in significant performance differences, 3D and banding, among sets offered under the same brand, product family, and marketing the same way.

But regardless, its clear that bringing a TOUGHPAD into my home might present risks I am unwilling to accept.
post #10301 of 16129
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

A while back, several of us were discussing different options for Active 3D glasses to work with our sets. I purchased, and finally tested a new pair from amazon, with the link below. These are a major improvement over the sets included with the original TV purchase. Having tested this pair, I will now purchase a couple more sets to keep on hand, and leave the originals to be used by the kids.

I can't say there is any discernible difference in the 3d picture quality directly, but they are much better at blocking out peripheral lighting/visuals, and they are much more comfortable in comparison. Also a plus, is that the connector for charging the glasses is a standard Micro USB port.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006YWCQLO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

I was looking at those glasses, but have decided to wait. Apparently, if you believe everything that's said at CES, the new Samsung 3d Glasses will even help PQ. Apparently better contrast with the new ones, so I'll wait and try those I guess.
post #10302 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I saw that earlier today from a blog link and agree - very impressive reportage. Photo descriptions are excellent. And while I finally bought a tablet before Christmas, I fear I will sometime soon regret not waiting for the TOUGHPAD even if I might not be capable of containing its power.

For On-Topic content: curious about cmay's reports - I am one of the regular (though infrequent) posters with neither a 65" or 60" -- mine is the 55" ES8000. I remember the brief discussion a few months back about 3D background blur but repeatedly tested the content I had available which was called out for examples and couldn't see what others reported seeing. Still don't. Really interesting if in fact the different panels (Sharp vs. Samsung) resulted in significant performance differences, 3D and banding, among sets offered under the same brand, product family, and marketing the same way.

But regardless, its clear that bringing a TOUGHPAD into my home might present risks I am unwilling to accept.

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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

That was awesome. As a former business reporter/editor, I often felt the same way sitting through corporate media presentations.

I bet the ToughPad will make 60" 3D better. I'm buying one!
post #10303 of 16129
Hey Guys,
I am seeing something in my Samsung 55 es8000 that is new.....I hope I can explain it.

I was watching Last Resort last night and what seemed be in the middle of the screen, running horizontal from left to right, a band that was about 7 or 8 inches, perfectly symmetrical, that was there when the scene was dark. I am using Garnoch's settings on Standard. (With minor adjustments).

Putting it more simply, I hope, a band running across the screen, it was darker than the surrounding dark scene.

I just recieved in the mail the Disney WOW calibration disc, so I plan to recalibrate to my own particular TV.

Thanks for any answers you may have. I did try to find an example of this in Garnoch's idiots guide. rolleyes.gif and I couldn't....
post #10304 of 16129
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post



So, this problem just surfaced for me a couple weeks ago.

One night while watching TV, the frame froze, and then the TV just showed random vertical color blocks. Then it would shut off and turn back on. I couldn't turn it off with the remote, and it didn't respond to any other functions. It just kept going in this power on-off cycle until I unplugged the power cord. I hoped that would be the end of it, but tonight it went into that cycle 3 different times over the course of a couple hours. I see other people have experienced this and it's not even isolated to this TV model. Is there any consensus resolution or do I have to call in for warranty repair?

Also, what is the most current firmware?

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Originally Posted by sterlingma1 View Post

Contact Samsung Service. See my post #8478. Sounds like similar problem.

So, I contacted Customer Service who came out and replaced the main board about a week later. All was fun for about 3-4 weeks until last night, when the same exact issue started again.

So either the main boards are all faulty or something else is causing the issue? At what point does Samsung replace the entire TV?
post #10305 of 16129
My TVs have cycled on and off like this also. I would try and wait it out for the next update that they have been working on for months now to get out. I honestly don't think its a faulty board since its more of a epedemic issue. It very well could be, but my opinion is that its not and we just have to wait for the next update. I have heard before though that they are using faulty boards, but I can't say this for sure. Its just something I heard before from an ex employee there.
post #10306 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Just got my bias lighting strip with dimmer "on/off" switch from Inspired LED.

Total cost - $47.50 for the 36" strip, power supply and dimmer "on/off" combined switch. I was not sure that a 36" strip would be enough lights for my 65" Sammy.

Works great! Very bright lights - - glad I got the dimmer. Four settings - second setting is bright enough for my man cave. Easy install - - well worth the investment.

Can you post some pictures of the set with the lights on as well as the behind the TV install? Thinking about adding some bias lighting. Thanks!
post #10307 of 16129
Can anyone comment on the screws and spacers I need for mounting? I'm using the Rocketfish Low-Profile wall mount that BB bundles with their mounting service. I suspect the last screws I used may have been too deep and torqued the frame of my TV when they were tightened down.
post #10308 of 16129
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Hey Guys,
I am seeing something in my Samsung 55 es8000 that is new.....I hope I can explain it.

I was watching Last Resort last night and what seemed be in the middle of the screen, running horizontal from left to right, a band that was about 7 or 8 inches, perfectly symmetrical, that was there when the scene was dark. I am using Garnoch's settings on Standard. (With minor adjustments).

Putting it more simply, I hope, a band running across the screen, it was darker than the surrounding dark scene.

I just recieved in the mail the Disney WOW calibration disc, so I plan to recalibrate to my own particular TV.

Thanks for any answers you may have. I did try to find an example of this in Garnoch's idiots guide. rolleyes.gif and I couldn't....

Hmmmm, question one, have you noticed it since or only on that program?
post #10309 of 16129
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Originally Posted by wthephasdin View Post

Can anyone comment on the screws and spacers I need for mounting? I'm using the Rocketfish Low-Profile wall mount that BB bundles with their mounting service. I suspect the last screws I used may have been too deep and torqued the frame of my TV when they were tightened down.

There should be spacers that came with the set. Cone shaped sort of that goes between the mount and the set. I used the M8 x 1.25 that came with the mount i used. They worked perfectly depth wise.
Edited by Op's Guy - 1/18/13 at 8:00am
post #10310 of 16129
For anyone interested in the 2013 lineup..

http://un65f8000.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_LED_Product_Guide.pdf

Great place, btw to buy a TV from if your in the New York area. Very knowledgable people there and the ones that do the shootout every year for everyone.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/18/13 at 8:21am
post #10311 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Can you post some pictures of the set with the lights on as well as the behind the TV install? Thinking about adding some bias lighting. Thanks!

Attached pics of Bias lighting from Inspired LED. I have the Samsung 65" ES8000. They (and other forum members) recommend to use tape (blue painters tape is the best) to see how the lights work at various locations to get the effect you want.

I first tried placing them low - - but it gave off too much light on the bottom since there are a couple of inches space on the bottom with the stand. I also did not want to attach them near the Evo Kit panel or the HDMI connections - that area can get hot. This was a good location and it works well.

You'll also see a picture of the dimmer switch - on/off and four settings. These lights are really bright - 4 settings and I'm using #2 for brightness. Ignore the fake window in the back - - that's going to be replaced, eventually, with drywall to clean up the back of my man cave, theater room.

All in all - - a very worthwhile investment - - $47.50 and much more elegant that using the large fluorescent tubes (and anchoring them down) as available on other sites for bias lighting.




post #10312 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

For anyone interested in the 2013 lineup..

http://un65f8000.com/uploads/Samsug_2013_LED_Product_Guide.pdf

Great place, btw to buy a TV from if your in the New York area. Very knowledgable people there and the ones that do the shootout every year for everyone.

Thanks...
post #10313 of 16129
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Thanks...

Its nice to finally have some more Info.. Check out the other thread I'm on for more links on the F8500 plasma..
post #10314 of 16129
Great info! Based on this, you don't need the quad core for the new hub, only for the motion and voice. Also interesting is that the 8000 is separated more from the 7500 by including "Precision Black" (Cinema Black?). And that the 7500 still has MD Pro, but the 8000 MD does have a name change, "Ultimate +". Thanks, man! This may give a clue on some Evo Kit features - voice and motion but no Precision Black would be my guess. Also confirms that the new hub can be had without an Evo Kit. Hopefully we'll still see some picture improvement with the quad core and new GPU anyway though but I'm not counting on it yet.

Back to having more HDMI too.
post #10315 of 16129
I think its good they added the extra HDMI back this year. It tells us that Samsung is listening to their consumers complaints. I have a feeling that these new models are going to be a big improvement. I think Samsung learned a lot from 2012. Its also nice that they are coming out with a few 75" that are lower end so more people can afford to have a big size screen.

Another member from here that's in the UK was just saying they received another FW update last week and mentioned that he feels it really improved the picture quality. It looks like they are pushing the updates to the folks in the UK before us, so maybe we have something to look forward to with our next update as far as picture quality goes..
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/18/13 at 9:41am
post #10316 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Another member from here that's in the UK was just saying they received another FW update last week and mentioned that he feels it really improved the picture quality. It looks like they are pushing the updates to the folks in the UK before us, so maybe we have something to look forward to with our next update as far as picture quality goes..

If that's true then I think they've gotten two updates since our last one. I think people have reported improved PQ with both of those last two UK updates, so I'm wondering why we haven't received even one of those over here yet.
post #10317 of 16129
Hey all, it's great to be back! I see some information is out now about the Evo kit. I've been wondering about a possible benefit of the quad-core upgrade. Is it possible that the quad-core upgrade could improve the performance of Auto Motion Plus? Currently I get intermittent stuttering on most of the AMP modes - only clear seems to actually be stutter free. I know others have experienced something similar. And I'm assuming it's the processor that is powering the generation of the new frames created by AMP. I wonder if by having more processing power it may be that AMP could run smoother without hiccups? That is if it's hiccuping is due to reasons other than the source.

I also wonder if it's possible that there could be a reduction in lag, since it might be possible for the quad-core processor to to handle the image processing faster or more efficiently, resulting in shorter lag?
post #10318 of 16129
Good to see you back e2.
post #10319 of 16129
Regarding the talk about 3D backgrounds being out of focus, this sounds like something I heard from somebody in a 3D blu-ray discussion forum last year. They said they notice a lot of background shots seem to be blurred in many 3D films.

I believe this is actually depth-of-field that is being noticed. If you pay attention to any 3D film, or even tv show, often times the person or subject in front of the camera is sharp and in focus, and the background is intentionally blurred, or out-of-focus. This is done on purpose to bring your attention to the subject in focus. It's done very frequently in photography also. What I think is happening is when this happens in 3D, the out-of-focus background is even more noticeably out-of-focus because it is in 3D, so the sharp subject in the foreground is very noticeable, and the blurred background waaay in the distance looks even more out-of-focus. This is intentional, and how it was filmed. Remember that different cameras and different techniques can achieve different levels of focus - you can have everything in the frame razor sharp, or you can intentionally blur the background for artistic, creative, or dramatic purpose.

Just thought I'd throw that out there, since I notice this myself at times. The 3D definitely makes the blurred backgrounds stand out even more.
post #10320 of 16129
Thanks, Op's Guy! Glad to be posting again.

Anthony, glad to see you back too!
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