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post #10351 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

This makes me hopeful that perhaps the Evo kit's quad-core processor could indeed give an improvement in picture processing, like improving the smoothness of AMP without stuttering. I wonder though if since these 2012 sets weren't designed with quad-core in mind, would it be able to properly take advantage of the quad-core chip for image processing, or would the quad-core only get utilized by the smarthub or motion control?

We'll have to wait and see but I must admit, I'm chomping at the bit for more info to be released about it.
post #10352 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Maybe one other time.....

Maybe wait for now though to make sure it's not programming - or your set top box.
post #10353 of 16126
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I know there are alot of amazing picture settings floating around this post.... They all look great... But after playing around with "Dynamic"!! ,, who would have thought the picture would look so good. Even my friends agree these settings look absolutely great.. I have a 60"... Try them out... The good thing with dynamic mode is you don't have to change your heavily tweaked out movie or standard settings. smile.gif

*My Comcast HD box picture settings;

Dynamic Picture Mode:

Backlight: 6
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 33
Sharpness: 46
Color: 60
Tint: G45/R55
Color Tone; Standard
Digital Noise Filter; Auto
MPEG Noise Filter; Off
Auto Motion Plus; Off
LED Motion Plus; Off

Dynamic? No comment wink.gif
All that matters though is that your eyes are happy.
post #10354 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yeah you did, but I have a feeling you may be right that the 60" is just handling that information differently. I don't think a depth of field shot will be in focus so to speak on the 65" or VT, but it may at least look better. I just love to see a 3D movie with no blurring, so my eyes can focus on whatever I want.

I agree with you. I think too often in 3D films the filmmakers are thinking in 2D terms. They purposely film backgrounds out of focus to draw your eyes to the foreground, but in 3D, that doesn't work so well. Even James Cameron mentioned doing that for Avatar - purposely using depth of field to draw your eyes where he wants them to go. I guess it's hard to argue with Cameron - he certainly knows what he's doing with 3D. But I think in 3D our eyes feel more natural when things are more in focus throughout the image - like in real life. As you say - that way you can look wherever you want. Of course, that's just what the director's don't want - they want to point you to where they want you to look.
post #10355 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

If you don't see it when watching normal programming, then you might be OK. Just make sure you watch lots of different stuff within the return period so you can make a final decision. The six vertical bans you have especially the two on the left middle of the screen will most likely be noticeable on panning shots. If you watch a ton of sports, I'd say you are going to have a problem. If you watch mostly movies and/or shows, you probably won't be bothered by it too much if it is not bothering you so far.

Can you see a production date on the back? I'd rather have a stuck pixel, because that doesn't look good to me, but definitely do the tests talked about already.. Some say that certain settings can help banding a little but banding will not go away over time like some other things. For more info, see the Banding section in the Guide link in my signature and click on a couple of the links in the section.
post #10356 of 16126
Now it is on another show.
post #10357 of 16126
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I know there are alot of amazing picture settings floating around this post.... They all look great... But after playing around with "Dynamic"!! ,, who would have thought the picture would look so good. Even my friends agree these settings look absolutely great.. I have a 60"... Try them out... The good thing with dynamic mode is you don't have to change your heavily tweaked out movie or standard settings. smile.gif

*My Comcast HD box picture settings;

Dynamic Picture Mode:

Backlight: 6
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 33
Sharpness: 46
Color: 60
Tint: G45/R55
Color Tone; Standard
Digital Noise Filter; Auto
MPEG Noise Filter; Off
Auto Motion Plus; Off
LED Motion Plus; Off

Each to his own.. I stopped reading at Sharpness 46.

1000
post #10358 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Now it is on another show.

Next will be to see if you can see it on another device, BD, DVD etc.
post #10359 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Dynamic? No comment wink.gif
All that matters though is that your eyes are happy.

I feel the same way. But when it comes to 3D mode...it is the only way to almost completely eliminate any hint of horizontal banding on my set

I was watching Nitro Circus 3D the other night. Amazing movie (very entertaining!) and good 3D by the way. Well I was playing around with the backlight in 3D mode after noticing the horiztonal banding again during some panning sky shots. And the only thing that helped while in my usual Standard mode was turning up the backlight from around 15 to 20. Even then it was still noticable so I decided to try Dynamic Mode which I knew would be even brighter. Instantly almost any hint of banding was gone. I set it to Warm 2 and got a decent, yet superbright picture
post #10360 of 16126
Must be VERY bright. I have my backlight set to 11 and its super bright even then....
post #10361 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Must be VERY bright. I have my backlight set to 11 and its super bright even then....

Yeah definitely. I don't see the banding at all in 2D, but it's been widely reported to affect a large number of these sets in 3D mode. I see it from time to time but some movies seem to bring it out more than others. And although the tradeoff isn't worth it for most 3D movies - if you notice any horizontal banding, switching to Dynamic will mask it. It was tolerable while watching Nitro Circus for example, but while watching a little bit darker movie such as Three Musketeers tonight I quickly switched back to Standard mode
post #10362 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Next will be to see if you can see it on another device, BD, DVD etc.

Thanks for your help Garnoch! I did play a bluray, Avatar, no problems and TV through the tuner, no problems.

That was last night. This morning I was getting ready to by pass my Onkyo 616 to see if that was the problem, and I thought I would look at my dvr where I had saved the problem tv shows and it was gone....I think ATT uverse was sending a funky signal...I am about ready to switch to Direct TV....with all of the posts here on how the signal is less compressed than cable.
Again, thanks for taking the time to help me. I was starting to freak out...eek.gif
post #10363 of 16126
Anytime. If you do see it popping up on other sources though, you may need to contact Samsung - I know you know that though. I have the 616 too by the way. smile.gif
post #10364 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Attached pics of Bias lighting from Inspired LED. I have the Samsung 65" ES8000. They (and other forum members) recommend to use tape (blue painters tape is the best) to see how the lights work at various locations to get the effect you want.

I first tried placing them low - - but it gave off too much light on the bottom since there are a couple of inches space on the bottom with the stand. I also did not want to attach them near the Evo Kit panel or the HDMI connections - that area can get hot. This was a good location and it works well.

You'll also see a picture of the dimmer switch - on/off and four settings. These lights are really bright - 4 settings and I'm using #2 for brightness. Ignore the fake window in the back - - that's going to be replaced, eventually, with drywall to clean up the back of my man cave, theater room.

All in all - - a very worthwhile investment - - $47.50 and much more elegant that using the large fluorescent tubes (and anchoring them down) as available on other sites for bias lighting.





Great price, man, and thanks for the pics! I'm sure those pics are cranked above #2 so it sounds like a dimmer is key. Question.... I know why the pros do it, but from a consumer perspective, how are you noticing it befitting you, if at all. For that price, I'm trying to think of how I could justify it to my family who might not like it. As it is they hate my Harmony 900 Christmas present because they sometimes hit the touch screen by accident and change the channel. They prefer the hard buttons of the 700.
post #10365 of 16126
Long time lurker first time poster. I am wondering if there is a thread for this TV specific to picture quality and calibration? In the early pages there was ample discussion on how to set up the unit and as of late the discussion is focussing more on other owner issues like negotiating cable contracts and which harmony remote is the best, which is great for an owners thread. I have tried serching through the rest of the forums but haven't found anything helpful. If anyone here has a calibrations or PQ thread for this line of TVs would you mind pointing me in that direction?
post #10366 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

This makes me hopeful that perhaps the Evo kit's quad-core processor could indeed give an improvement in picture processing, like improving the smoothness of AMP without stuttering. I wonder though if since these 2012 sets weren't designed with quad-core in mind, would it be able to properly take advantage of the quad-core chip for image processing, or would the quad-core only get utilized by the smarthub or motion control?

Yeah there are several things that we should be able to do with the quad-core. And who knows what we'll get out of it within a full year. I'm sure that when it's first installed the Smart Hub and its related functions will be much improved and perhaps some initial picture improvements. But the thing people need to understand is that this isn't just a one time upgrade. After the kit is initially installed it should only get better and better as they take full advantage of the new capabilities presented here. It's up to the designers and devolpers to make the most out of it, and that will be done over time
post #10367 of 16126
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Originally Posted by rocketman9 View Post

Long time lurker first time poster. I am wondering if there is a thread for this TV specific to picture quality and calibration? In the early pages there was ample discussion on how to set up the unit and as of late the discussion is focussing more on other owner issues like negotiating cable contracts and which harmony remote is the best, which is great for an owners thread. I have tried serching through the rest of the forums but haven't found anything helpful. If anyone here has a calibrations or PQ thread for this line of TVs would you mind pointing me in that direction?

As far as I know, there is no seperate thread here. Several of us have used settings shared by certain posters, either as is, as a baseline for further tweaking, or as a starting point to compare to other possible settings. Scroll up and find a post by Garnoch -- if you have "see posters' signatures" enabled in your own AVS profile, his signature contians links to settings he uses and has shared for several modes (Movie, Standard, and a CE-Dimming-defeating standard mode). If you search this thread for posts by Nitra, you'll undoubtedly find his shared settings. And a search for posts by Turboman123 will show his settings as well. All three of those posters's settings have generated positive responses, with many making slight tweaks to accommodate personal preferences.

There is a lso a UK forum (sister forum to AVS? Very similar name) that has shared settings. Maybe search for posts by arenaman as I seem to recall he linked the UK forums a bit back (if a web search doesn't turn you in the right direction).

I am sure there are others who have shared settings in this thread as well - but those three posters come to mind as having shared settings that have been adopted (and maybe tweaked) by numerous other posters.

Interesting to note that to the extent there are PQ impacts from different panels (60" panels apparently Sharp panels while others are Samsung), or different geographies (Garnoch in US; Turboman123 in Japan (I think), and Nitra in Canada, many UK forum posters obviously in UK and in Europe) there are lots of different options to experiment with.
post #10368 of 16126
Rocketman9, that is a valid question. I have actually been thinking in the past 48 hours or so about starting a "Samsung unxxES8000 Fanboy thread" as an addendum to this fantastic thread. The new one would be intended specifically for sharing positive experiences, tips, hints and tweaks with regard to picture quality and SmartHub. This way all plasma lovers cam continue trolling their isms here ...just say'n....i know Garnoch would not be surprised by my statement.
post #10369 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Rocketman9, that is a valid question. I have actually been thinking in the past 48 hours or so about starting a "Samsung unxxES8000 Fanboy thread" as an addendum to this fantastic thread. The new one would be intended specifically for sharing positive experiences, tips, hints and tweaks with regard to picture quality and SmartHub. This way all plasma lovers cam continue trolling their isms here ...just say'n....i know Garnoch would not be surprised by my statement.

That seems pretty reasonable. Perhaps a good start for that thread is a consolidation of the useful settings posts here? I guess that would have to take the form of links to those messages in the first post starting the new thread?
post #10370 of 16126
Hockey on the 8000 via FIOS HD is outstanding...color pops, details and shades well defined in the ice and separates well from the white jerseys. Razor detail. Love this tv more than ever after 7 months.
post #10371 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Question.... I know why the pros do it, but from a consumer perspective, how are you noticing it befitting you, if at all. For that price, I'm trying to think of how I could justify it to my family who might not like it. As it is they hate my Harmony 900 Christmas present because they sometimes hit the touch screen by accident and change the channel. They prefer the hard buttons of the 700.

I installed a string of these on a 55ES7100 in an upside down U pattern with just a on/off switch in my bat cave with this being the only light source in the room.

Pros:

Real help with eye strain. YMMV depending upon the color of your wall. My walls are painted a dark gray so the TV tends to disappear into the background any way.

Improved black uniformity. Most noticeable on movies with the horizontal black bars at top/bottom. This is tricking your brain in what you are seeing. The bars are the same level of black from left to right. Turn the LEDs off and the uniformity of the black level returns to normal, i.e. the bars will be lighter black on the left and right side when one is sitting in the middle. The same effect is noticeable on vertical black bars but I don't have those very often.

The over all picture will pop a little bit more but once again your brain is being tricked because on the difference in contrast caused by having a white background surrounding your TV as opposed to a dark gray background in my case.

Cons:

Very bright and I would recommend going with a dimmer. Sometime in the near future I will probably swap out my on/off switch for the dimmer.



Back-lighting is only recommend for bat cave environments. They will not help in day light settings or at night if you have a lot of light in the room. Overall your mileage will vary depending of the color of your walls and how much existing light you already have in your room.

The back lighting effect will be different depending upon how close to the wall the TV is placed. In my case, TV is on a table 12.5 inches from the wall. This results in have a very large area of the wall being lighted. If your TV is wall mounted the result will be very different.
Edited by scJohn - 1/19/13 at 1:24pm
post #10372 of 16126
Thanks for your thoughts on this, man - great info. My minimal flashlighting isn't a big issue, but without the Cinema Black feature on the ES, it could be helpful for that reason alone.
post #10373 of 16126
I use a backlight system in my family room for night time only viewing. I will use my windows phone and upload a mediocre quality pic in the near future....
post #10374 of 16126
Welcome back Anthony5362...your insight and energy is always valued...
post #10375 of 16126
I've used multi coloured LED backlighting for well over a year now and also have a philips living colour lamp to match and compliment it. I never thought about how it affects the look of the TV, just thought it creates a great ambient atmosphere
post #10376 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Thanks for your thoughts on this, man - great info. My minimal flashlighting isn't a big issue, but without the Cinema Black feature on the ES, it could be helpful for that reason alone.

I recently starting using backlighting also and have found it really improves the image in a dark room, reduces eye strain and yes, lessens any flashlighting that there might be. Once I have a new panel, I'll post some pics.
post #10377 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Welcome back Anthony5362...your insight and energy is always valued...

Thanks Bro! Its good to be back smile.gif
post #10378 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Rocketman9, that is a valid question. I have actually been thinking in the past 48 hours or so about starting a "Samsung unxxES8000 Fanboy thread" as an addendum to this fantastic thread. The new one would be intended specifically for sharing positive experiences, tips, hints and tweaks with regard to picture quality and SmartHub. This way all plasma lovers cam continue trolling their isms here ...just say'n....i know Garnoch would not be surprised by my statement.

I hear ya, Blade. What we need is a freakin' firmware update so we can all start talking about it and any tweaks to our settings we might need. You know you're going to upgrade. smile.gif Speaking of new stuff, would you even consider the Evo Kit?
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I recently starting using backlighting also and have found it really improves the image in a dark room, reduces eye strain and yes, lessens any flashlighting that there might be. Once I have a new panel, I'll post some pics.

Cmay, did you order another TV or are you waiting? I might have missed it. Thanks for the input.


Hey, Anthony - nice dog!
post #10379 of 16126
I agree with blade, a fanboy thread would be perfect. Blade, go ahead and fire one up.
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