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post #10591 of 16129
My father's 65" has significant banding in white/bright scenes. I've minimized the issue by keeping the backlight down. Fortunately, I don't think he has noticed it because he has not mentioned it.

My 55" has absolutely no banding. It has some clouding, but I'm living with it.
Edited by sharkcohen - 1/24/13 at 9:51am
post #10592 of 16129
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

I just tested Vudu, with The Dark Knight Rises, HDX stream, its HD alright, looks amazing, however I guess it doesn't use the entire screen? Letterbox? It has the black space above/below the main movie.
Probably the way its supposed to be or I have a setting off?

the dark knight rises is kinda annoying...part of the movie is in 16:9, then other parts are 21:9....it goes back and forth thru out the movie....its annoying to me..thats how the director Nolan wanted....apparently parts of the movie were shot in IMAX format...therefore the reason for the flip flop thru out the movie...

even in the bluray is like that.... oh welll mad.gif
post #10593 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

the dark knight rises is kinda annoying...part of the movie is in 16:9, then other parts are 21:9....it goes back and forth thru out the movie....its annoying to me..thats how the director Nolan wanted....apparently parts of the movie were shot in IMAX format...therefore the reason for the flip flop thru out the movie...

even in the bluray is like that.... oh welll mad.gif

The HDX version does not incorporate the IMAX footage so the entire movie is letter boxed.
post #10594 of 16129
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Doesn't the kit fit into the recess by the evo port so it sits flush with the rest of the back of the TV?

nope, the evo kit wont & DOES NOT SIT FLUSH...lol....so much for a thin & slim TV.... after the evo kit is connected to the tv, this is what it looks like.... it pretty much doubles the thickness of the tv...I also have concerns about that because i have an ultra slim low profile wall mount.....



post #10595 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

Turn the backlight down.

The vertical banding his panel displays is far too bad for turning the backlight down to minimize. Unfortunately, banding that severe will rear its ugly head on dark solid backgrounds, monochromatic (forget about trying to watch Frankenweenie), as well as any type of panning shot.
post #10596 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The HDX version does not incorporate the IMAX footage so the entire movie is letter boxed.

ok, all I can go by is the bluray that I have...so the vudu version cuts off all together the IMAX footage?, or just resizes it? Ill watch "ok movies" on streaming services...but all the great ones with all kindas of academy awards, I rather purchase them and watch in bluray which is now the best format to watch with way less compression than streaming services, tv,cable, sat services....
post #10597 of 16129
Anthony. you could be right. I have had a drama free experience on FW 1013 with my 8000 where my only issue was flashlight and that itself is almost non-existent..

EndeavorouX, I agree, love to own the blu discs for repeated viewing of favorites and I really do like the aspect switches during Dark Knight.
post #10598 of 16129
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Originally Posted by wthephasdin View Post

Can you use the ES8000 remote to control a PS3?

Just for Blu-Ray watching and menu navigation purposes, not as a game controller of course.

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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Unfortunately not that I'm aware of. The PS3 uses RF sensor and not IR. The Hamony One I use works great with the PS3 but you must buy the Logitech RF dongle made especially for it. Well worth it. You can program and configure whatever buttons you want to use on the H1 to control each specific piece of equipment.


Here the best universal remote that is also bluetooth and works perfectly with the PS3.... no extra freaking dongles/blasters for IR or RF... The logitech harmony remotes are awesome...but they do no have a seamless intergration with the PS3... I'm not gonna buy another freaking dongle as logitech harmony requires for the PS3... The PS3 is the most popular bluray player in the market.

Any way this one is only $35 ON AMAZON..CANT BEAt it...
its the SMK-Link PS3 Blu-Link Universal Remote Control, I have everything connected to this remote...you can also program buttons as you wish and see fit....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LARYGA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


Edited by EndeaverouX - 1/24/13 at 10:23am
post #10599 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

Can someone point me to the best settings for the 65" that may help reduce the appearance of the banding? - I'd like to try that out before making a decision on whether or not to return it.

I'll post some before and after pictures.

(apologies for the repost, but battling my now 3rd 30-day return window).

Thanks.

A couple people have mentioned that the settings I use diminish it for them. I can't vouch for that that and I'm not sure if my Movie or one of my Standard modes was the one used. Good luck.
post #10600 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post


Here the best universal remote that is also bluetooth and works perfectly with the PS3.... no extra freaking dongles/blasters for IR or RF... The logitech harmony remotes are awesome...but they do no have a seamless intergration with the PS3... I'm not gonna buy another freaking dongle as logitech harmony requires for the PS3... The PS3 is the most popular bluray player in the market.

Any way this one is only $35 ON AMAZON..CANT BEAt it...
its the SMK-Link PS3 Blu-Link Universal Remote Control, I have everything connected to this remote...you can also program buttons as you wish and see fit....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LARYGA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


That is an awesome looking well laid out remote. Never seen it before, thanks.
post #10601 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post


Here the best universal remote that is also bluetooth and works perfectly with the PS3.... no extra freaking dongles/blasters for IR or RF... The logitech harmony remotes are awesome...but they do no have a seamless intergration with the PS3... I'm not gonna buy another freaking dongle as logitech harmony requires for the PS3... The PS3 is the most popular bluray player in the market.

Any way this one is only $35 ON AMAZON..CANT BEAt it...
its the SMK-Link PS3 Blu-Link Universal Remote Control, I have everything connected to this remote...you can also program buttons as you wish and see fit....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LARYGA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


Thanks. I had the Harmony One, but I didn't like it for the exact reason that it couldn't control the PS3. Just ordered this one instead and will save myself over $100 from the Harmony One. It shows up as $26. Hopefully build quality is good.
post #10602 of 16129
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Originally Posted by lickwid View Post

Thanks. I had the Harmony One, but I didn't like it for the exact reason that it couldn't control the PS3. Just ordered this one instead and will save myself over $100 from the Harmony One. It shows up as $26. Hopefully build quality is good.

the remote is kinda clicky and plasticky...but it works well..i have it for 6 months, controls every single device.... es8000, ps3, avr, cable box, bluray player...and you can also program each button to ur needs...

for $26 is a steal..... just make sure you get good AA batteries....the maxwell ones that come with this remote are junk...they tend to leak with plenty of reports of it...other than that is great....
Edited by EndeaverouX - 1/24/13 at 1:13pm
post #10603 of 16129
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

So what's the problem with leaving AMP set to Clear? I don't get it, do the other AMP settings have advantages over Clear?

There is definitely a difference in the amount of "soap opera effect" between the different modes. "clear" is the mildest. I'm not a fan of that most of the time, anyways, but there are times when I do use it, and for some reason I tend to like it in 3D mode.

Also, custom mode also doesn't work without stuttering. That's a problem because in custom mode I should be able to use "blur reduction" and set the actual motion interpolation - "motion smoother" to 0, so I could reduce blur without adding the soap opera effect. It does work, but again, with stuttering. Only clear mode seems to work without stuttering. If I were to take a guess I might wonder if it's because it adds the least amount of motion interpolation, and perhaps the stronger modes push the processor too much. Just a guess.
post #10604 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

I completely agree with you... its doesnt matter what source you are using, cable, sat, streaming, bluray, dvd... The AMP really has nothing to do with the signals coming in...personally i think it looks fake and soap opera effect looking... to each its own... everytime there is interpolation and inserting of extra frames in the picture, there is gonna be lag, stutter, skipping, juddering, wierd pixelation, choppiness, etc...you name it...its the nature of the beast.....

my personal opinion, the new evo kit wont do jack for picture quality and/or AMP..i think is just gonna be there to give us a new smart hub interface....but thats just me... biggrin.gif

good threads to follow on AMP & evo kit below:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450292/official-samsung-smart-tv-evolution-kit-thread

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444011/official-samsung-auto-motion-plus-thread-gimmick-or-substance

Thanks for the thread links.

I'm very skeptical of whether the evo kit will offer any picture improvements. Same because I wish we could have the "cinema black" feature where the letterbox bars turn off, but I guess that's hardware? I still wonder why that can't be done in software. Why can't the software just turn off the LEDs behind the letterbox bars?
post #10605 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

So the repair person just left my house and the TV seems to be back to normal without the on/off cycle. I tried to get as much info out of this guy that I could. Here's some things I asked:

Q: Do you deal with a lot of vertical banding repairs with the 65"
A: No. We actually don't see a lot of the 65" Samsung TVs. I guess they're too expensive for most people still. The only one I've dealt with that has a lot of vertical banding is the 46".

I thought that was strange that he claimed there's a vertical banding issue with the 46", but that's what he said.

Q: What is the biggest problem/repair you see with the 8000 series?
A: Probably the power on/off cycle, but no more than any others. This TV appears to be pretty good because we honestly don't get many repair orders for it.

That's nice to know.

Q: I've heard that when replacing this board that you're supposed to into the Service Menu and set the "type" for the TV. Is that true?
A: Not really. Samsung tests these boards before sending them out for repair. They set the TVs "type" before sending them out, but I always check anyway and yours is set correctly.

When he first turned on the TV there was some red text across the top and he told me that the board was left in test mode from when Samsung was testing it before sending it out. It's nice to know they test these things and don't just grab a board assuming it's ok and send it off to be replaced. He told me they actually test it after they get the repair request, so it's actually tested and set up correctly for that particular repair.

Q: Can you enable the Cal-Day and Cal-Night modes while you're in there?
A: Sure. I didn't do it for you though.

Nice!

Q: What do you know about the Evo Kit that's coming?
A: Not much. But I do know that you will turn on your TV one day and it will tell you, "Im ready to evolve!". That's how Samsung is planning to announce that it's ready to purchase.

I also asked him to look for banding on my TV. Keep in mind that the calibration settings that minimized it had been reset and we were looking at the TV through the default movie settings and he was not able to see any banding through normal viewing. I have to take some time to recalibrate everything later today, so that gives me reason to tinker with it again. That's about all I got. I took pictures of the TV while the back was taken off and all of that. I also took a picture of the sticker on the back because once it went back on the wall there's no getting to it without taking it off.

I have a 46" ES7500, and I have vertical banding, it's just not particularly bothersome compared to my other issues with it, like horizontal 3D banding.
post #10606 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

There is an awesome App called "Buddy TV" for iPhone and iPad. Haven't checked my android yet to see if its available for that as well, but with this App, you can control your TV. there's a remote setting and you can check showtimes, news on shows etc.. You can also control some DVRs. Its a very cool App. Highly recommended and Im not a big app user but this one is very convenient and functional.

The Peel APP for Android works very well with our TV's as well as the DirecTV DVR for full control, detailed program descriptions, etc. I have been playing with that for a while on my new Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet.
post #10607 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Ah meant to say AMP Off and Clear are perfect for me but I only seem to get the skipped frames with 24p material.

Also, I'll test the update more this weekend, but noting stands out to me as looking different.

I still think it's insulting and just plain inconsiderate for Samsung to continue to push out their updates with no information on what the updates do. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they clearly have no shame because they have been doing this forever and obviously have no plans on changing their behavior.

So we have to "guess" if we see any differences, and wonder what things have been fixed or changed. How long would it takes once every 3 months to type up a list of changes and fixes when they release the firmware - 5 minutes?
post #10608 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

the dark knight rises is kinda annoying...part of the movie is in 16:9, then other parts are 21:9....it goes back and forth thru out the movie....its annoying to me..thats how the director Nolan wanted....apparently parts of the movie were shot in IMAX format...therefore the reason for the flip flop thru out the movie...

even in the bluray is like that.... oh welll mad.gif

I noticed Tron Legacy 3D is like that, and yeah, it's very annoying. In a case like that I think we should at least get the option of having both the flip-flop option and the option of sticking with a single aspect ratio.
post #10609 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

nope, the evo kit wont & DOES NOT SIT FLUSH...lol....so much for a thin & slim TV.... after the evo kit is connected to the tv, this is what it looks like.... it pretty much doubles the thickness of the tv...I also have concerns about that because i have an ultra slim low profile wall mount.....




Hilarious. So glad Samsung designed such super-thin sets. I wouldn't mind since I have it on a stand, but I can see this being a problem for many people. Way to go, Samsung. Since the tv ends up being twice as thick with that Evo kit, they should have just built a thicker tv with true backlighting instead of side LEDs, and we all would be better off with less clouding and flashlighting.
post #10610 of 16129
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post


Here the best universal remote that is also bluetooth and works perfectly with the PS3.... no extra freaking dongles/blasters for IR or RF... The logitech harmony remotes are awesome...but they do no have a seamless intergration with the PS3... I'm not gonna buy another freaking dongle as logitech harmony requires for the PS3... The PS3 is the most popular bluray player in the market.

Any way this one is only $35 ON AMAZON..CANT BEAt it...
its the SMK-Link PS3 Blu-Link Universal Remote Control, I have everything connected to this remote...you can also program buttons as you wish and see fit....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LARYGA/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00


Quite a find, and cheap enough to buy 2.
post #10611 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Wow RocketMan9, you sure know a lot for being such a new member here that just joined this month and has few posts rolleyes.gif


Hmm.. are you thinking what I'm thinking?..
post #10612 of 16129
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I still think it's insulting and just plain inconsiderate for Samsung to continue to push out their updates with no information on what the updates do. They should be ashamed of themselves, but they clearly have no shame because they have been doing this forever and obviously have no plans on changing their behavior.

So we have to "guess" if we see any differences, and wonder what things have been fixed or changed. How long would it takes once every 3 months to type up a list of changes and fixes when they release the firmware - 5 minutes?
I think that's borderline inexcusable too. I know, cellphone makers update their firmware/OS's and don't tell you everything in it, but at least they tell you something. And hell, my Android apps want to update like every 10 minutes but they tell you stuff (two thousand more languages, bug fixes). I'm not updating my TV until they tell me something like a new feature or definite improvement. I realize the Smarthub has to update because of all the 3rd party apps on there.
post #10613 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Hmm.. are you thinking what I'm thinking?..

Yup smile.gif

Also, I agree that it's crazy that we don't get release notes on these updates. Very odd.
post #10614 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I just took the time to recalibrate my new board and firmware for my DirecTV source. Here's what I've found so far:

1. It appears to me that the colors are a little more vibrant, but that could just be in my head.

2. What's not in my head is that the little bit of flashlighting I had in the corners of the screen are completely gone. Before I could only see it on a black screen and it was very minimal. Now it is completely gone unless I view the TV from an extreme angle. Even then it's not very noticeable.

3. The last thing I did with my calibration was to check the RBG clipping. I noticed my blue was clipping where it shouldn't have been, which is what caused me to drop my contrast lower than I normally have it. The blue is clipping where it should now. I guess this makes sense because I noticed a slight bluish tint on the white before doing that. It wasn't like that before the new board and firmware.

4. I put on a recorded football game to check out the banding that I sometimes see on football games and I haven't seen any yet. This may be because I have some glare in the room right now, so I'll have to check that out again later when the glare is gone. I'm not expecting anything to have minimized the tiny bit of banding I see at times, but so far I can't see it. I'll try putting on some slides in a bit and see if I see any there.

So, I'm not sure what the firmware or the board may have done. Unfortunately the repair guy updated the firmware before I could tell him I'd do that later, so I wasn't able to compare my old calibrated settings with the old firmware. The new calibrated settings with the new firmware and new board were definitely different. My brightness was up one click and contrast down about 4. I'm going to assume that any change in the picture and calibration settings is because of the firmware and not the board. I rarely ever saw vertical banding and the only thing that kind of bothered me was the slight flashlighting in the corners. That is completely gone now so I'm going to guess the firmware helped that. Probably because of how I had to change my calibration settings? I don't know, but I'm even more happy with this TV than I was before and I was pretty dang happy with it before.

Has anyone else that's upgraded the firmware checked to see if their calibration settings needed to be tweaked?

Congrats on the repair.
You mentioned that flashlighting is completely gone.
I remember a few months ago that for flashlighting, the hack fix was to open the set and loosen some screws on the board. Some members confirmed that it did fix the problem.
So probably when your new board was installed, the issue with over tightened screws were fixed in the process.
post #10615 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Hmm.. are you thinking what I'm thinking?..

LOL! Oh yea!! Hopefully something will be done about it ASAP too! biggrin.gif
post #10616 of 16129
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

The Peel APP for Android works very well with our TV's as well as the DirecTV DVR for full control, detailed program descriptions, etc. I have been playing with that for a while on my new Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet.

I haven't tried peel in a while Because the last time i used it, it didn't seem ready yet, but i should try it again because I heard they did some updates to make it more functional. I highly recommend this "Buddy TV guide" with these sets. It says that if you have direct TV, you can control that as well as the TV. This App is amazing though because it learns what shows and movies you like and then recommends them. Kinda just like the Peel I guess. It also lets you use it as a remote with Samsung TVs, and has a keyboard that seems to work better than my Samsung keyboard that I spent $100 on.
post #10617 of 16129
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

Actually the Dark night has scenes that are anamorphic and letterbox...

Sorry, but what does that mean?
post #10618 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Congrats on the repair.
You mentioned that flashlighting is completely gone.
I remember a few months ago that for flashlighting, the hack fix was to open the set and loosen some screws on the board. Some members confirmed that it did fix the problem.
So probably when your new board was installed, the issue with over tightened screws were fixed in the process.

That's possible. I know back when I first got the TV I had read that tightening the screws that hold the wall mount brackets to the TV can also cause some problems. I don't know if that's true or not, but I know I tightened the hell out of those screws when I first got the TV, so when I put them back on after the repair I made sure not to do that. I don't know exactly what it is that caused it to diminish, but it's much better and almost non-existant now.
post #10619 of 16129
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

So it probably doesn't matter if I stream from my new Samsung 3D BD player or an Apple TV3, they should both look better than Smarthub? I"ve sort of been looking for an excuse to get an ATV3 anyway, maybe this is it (and we do rent on occasional movie from iTunes)biggrin.gif.

I'm not an expert by any means, and I haven't used/seen the Netflix app on the bluray player, which player do you have?
It just seems to me that the Netflix app on the SmartHub is not a big app, not a lot of code, so its a basic app in terms of UI and UX and pales in comparison to the ATV version.
And for some reason in my testing, the same videos viewed on both were not the same quality. ATV won.
post #10620 of 16129
Sorry if this is old news... New Software version 1046 is now out.... My TV just downloaded it. smile.gif
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