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post #10741 of 16125
I've been struggling with half side by side mkvs on this TV for a while now. The motion just never seemed quite right. I think I've found a solution though. What I'm doing is play mkvs on my tv directly from my pc. On the PC I run Media player classic with Smooth video player (SVP). SVP has a setting for half side by side 3D and also is supposed to double your framerate. This combination finally has my 3D running the way I always hoped it could. I had an LG 55lm8600 before returning it for a 55es7500, the LG had much better 3D motion processing due to the passive technology. Using this method, the Samsung is producing motion results which are on par with the LG. I have my TV input labeled PC, but I don't know if that is necessary. I do know that using this method is much better than trying to use any AMP settings while running 3D. Hope this helps anyone who may have been in my situation, also hope that I'm not just convincing myself that it is better but I'm pretty sure I'm not smile.gif
post #10742 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I agree with you Jestered! I heard the guy say so many times that we don't need a Ethernet if we use the wifi. I guess my last post should have been more or a question. What is the built in Ethernet in certain HDMI cables for? This is what I never knew. I have tons of HDMI cables that are version 1.4 and say they have Ethernet with 10.2 Gbps. What's this for? Does anyone know this?

I asked myself that question yesterday while at BestBuy picking up a HDMI cable. I noticed some mentioned ethernet over HDMI and I didn't understand what for or why. I think I found out though. From this graphic, it looks like you can connect a TV to the internet either over wifi or a normal ethernet connection, then the TV can share that connection to all the HDMI sources over the HDMI cable. Not a bad idea, but I don't know if that's going to catch on. It seems like most source components have wifi now days, so what's the point? I don't think speed is a reason because it's actually not a fast ethernet connection over HDMI.

post #10743 of 16125
Maybe this explains why they added a 4th HDMI to the 2013 models? Hmm! Makes sense now that I just analyzed all this to the max..lol! I asked this yesterday but no one responded. So, they say that the SoftAP is so we can use the TV as a router. But when I try to connect to my TVs SoftAP on my iPad, phone and laptop, it connects fine, but I don't get any Internet. So, what's the point?
post #10744 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Maybe this explains why they added a 4th HDMI to the 2013 models? Hmm! Makes sense now that I just analyzed all this to the max..lol! I asked this yesterday but no one responded. So, they say that the SoftAP is so we can use the TV as a router. But when I try to connect to my TVs SoftAP on my iPad, phone and laptop, it connects fine, but I don't get any Internet. So, what's the point?

I tested it on my TV when I first got it and it worked, but it was painfully slow and the wireless range was very small. If I remember correctly I couldn't leave my living room without it dropping the wireless connection to the TV. It wasn't very well implemented. Why would anyone want that anyway? I could understand if wifi was something new and you were going to hardwire ethernet to the TV. That way you could have a wireless connection in your house that you wouldn't normally have. BUT! Who doesn't have wifi already now days?
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I've got a question about the Dynamic Contrast setting on the TV. Garnoch turned his OFF. But doesn't it make sense to have it on if one is going to "enjoy" the benefit of Microdimming and Contrast Enhancement? Dynamic means it can change and if it's off doesn't it mean it cannot change?
post #10746 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I tested it on my TV when I first got it and it worked, but it was painfully slow and the wireless range was very small. If I remember correctly I couldn't leave my living room without it dropping the wireless connection to the TV. It wasn't very well implemented. Why would anyone want that anyway? I could understand if wifi was something new and you were going to hardwire ethernet to the TV. That way you could have a wireless connection in your house that you wouldn't normally have. BUT! Who doesn't have wifi already now days?

Yea I feel like its a worthless feature. But if it were to work right, then it would be good for people who need a better wifi signal. Maybe if the TV was able to act as a wifi extender or something then that would be good.

I know for our house on the East coast we have stucco walls In a few rooms which make it impossible to get a Wifi signal in those rooms. If the TVs SoftAP worked, then we would get great wifi from that I guess.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/26/13 at 12:35pm
post #10747 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

You should be able to find all you need to know about that here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-owners-thread/7620#post_22681768

Thanks. Is Motion Lighting the setting for Micro Dimming, or is Motion Lighting something else?
post #10748 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I've got a question about the Dynamic Contrast setting on the TV. Garnoch turned his OFF. But doesn't it make sense to have it on if one is going to "enjoy" the benefit of Microdimming and Contrast Enhancement? Dynamic means it can change and if it's off doesn't it mean it cannot change?

Some people don't like it on, but I personally really like it on low and sometimes medium depending on what Im watching. Also Samsung hasn't been really clear on the whole Micro Dimming, but they have said that the "dynamic Contrast" is what enables it, so that's another reason why I leave mine on.
post #10749 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I've got a question about the Dynamic Contrast setting on the TV. Garnoch turned his OFF. But doesn't it make sense to have it on if one is going to "enjoy" the benefit of Microdimming and Contrast Enhancement? Dynamic means it can change and if it's off doesn't it mean it cannot change?


dynamic contrast really crushes detail on medium, minor on low. Would not use anything other than low or off.
post #10750 of 16125
Thanks anthony5362
post #10751 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

Thanks. Is Motion Lighting the setting for Micro Dimming, or is Motion Lighting something else?

I think you're talking about LED Motion Plus? If so, that has nothing to do with either of the dimming features. Supposedly that is supposed to help with fast moving scenes. I guess it's supposed to help with motion blur. When I first got my TV I turned that on, which required some extra tweaking to my settings because it darkens the screen for whatever reason. I ended up turning it off because it seemed to wash out the colors a little and I never EVER saw anything that it's supposed to do. I think others have said that they can tell no difference with it being on and off, so I just left it off.
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I've got a question about the Dynamic Contrast setting on the TV. Garnoch turned his OFF. But doesn't it make sense to have it on if one is going to "enjoy" the benefit of Microdimming and Contrast Enhancement? Dynamic means it can change and if it's off doesn't it mean it cannot change?

I don't use it, so I may be wrong, but I don't think it actually changes from different levels when you have it on. I think it just lets you change (dynamic?) the level of dynamic contrast you want it set to. Someone may be able to chime in here, but I think if you set it to low, it's going to stay at low and not actually change on its own when watching something.

(Edit) Actually I think I'm wrong. At least the description from the tool tip on that setting says that it automatically adjusts the setting, so apparently it does do something like that. I may turn it on low and mess with it a bit.
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I agree with you Jestered! I heard the guy say so many times that we don't need a Ethernet if we use the wifi. I guess my last post should have been more or a question. What is the built in Ethernet in certain HDMI cables for? This is what I never knew. I have tons of HDMI cables that are version 1.4 and say they have Ethernet with 10.2 Gbps. What's this for? Does anyone know this?

For clarity's sake, there is no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. The 1.4 designation is the hardware version, not the cable version. There are basically only two kinds of HDMI cable, Standard speed and High Speed. A High Speed cable will meet all current hardware version 1.4, 1.4a protocols. 10.2 Gbps is the maximum data transfer rate of a High Speed cable that has been certified by HDMI.org. Ethernet is for future options should it be adopted by the tv mfrs and implemented in their future hardware. To date, as far as I know, there aren't any consumer devices that take advantage of the etherent channel in the HDMI cable. Same it true for Deep Color.
post #10754 of 16125
Best Thing about Evo Kit? Rampant Speculation allowing everyone to express their underlying view of Samsung, love 'em or hate 'em.
post #10755 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

For clarity's sake, there is no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. The 1.4 designation is the hardware version, not the cable version. There are basically only two kinds of HDMI cable, Standard speed and High Speed. A High Speed cable will meet all current hardware version 1.4, 1.4a protocols. 10.2 Gbps is the maximum data transfer rate of a High Speed cable that has been certified by HDMI.org. Ethernet is for future options should it be adopted by the tv mfrs and implemented in their future hardware. To date, as far as I know, there aren't any consumer devices that take advantage of the etherent channel in the HDMI cable. Same it true for Deep Color.

Exactly.. I was just posting what the cable says when you buy one. We were also trying to figure out if maybe Samsung is going to take advantage of this tech this year since they are showing a HDMI cable going into the TV and Evo Kit. We don't know this for sure yet
post #10756 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

Thanks. Is Motion Lighting the setting for Micro Dimming, or is Motion Lighting something else?

I think your referring to the "Motion Lighting" in the "Advanced settings"? I've never used it but supposedly it dims the picture according to the light in the room. Which is also what the Eco censor does as well. I don't know what the difference is though between the two. Maybe the motion adjust the light by the motion in your room and the Eco adjusts the light by the light in your room? I'm just guessing since I never used it. Its a feature that's been in past years models also though.
post #10757 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

...not all of us owners here have the money to have the latest and greatest every year. Most Samsung owners are actually just regular people who walk into Best Buy, see 30 different Samsung models, and end up just picking one while looking at the demos in the store. I have no money, and no desire, to rush out and get the latest and greatest every year. I'm just a tv owner who wants a nice picture. I think most tv owners fall into that category - just a normal tv owner who wants a nice tv to last for a few years at least. It's going to be a long time before I buy another tv

Very true. That's why I said that. Many of us don't have the money to get a new flagship set each year - and we are the people the evolution kit is designed for. What did that Samsung rep say in the video, most people buy a new tv every 7 years, and they will support the kit for at least 4 years? That's not bad. And those who don't think it does enough, and have an itch to scratch with a new set (and can afford it) can buy one anyway, no harm no foul. More power to them. I plan on keeping my ES8000 for the next several years, so maybe I'll start a year round tip cup for the tv lol. If the kit is worth the purchase to you then you can afford it. It's all subjective though, and until there is a listed price, more information, and the full specs are released - it's ridiculous for anyone to be a Debby Downer about it

Those who have an axe to grind will gripe anyway...I'm just trying to show how ridiculous that is at this point
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

For clarity's sake, there is no such thing as an HDMI 1.4 cable. The 1.4 designation is the hardware version, not the cable version. There are basically only two kinds of HDMI cable, Standard speed and High Speed. A High Speed cable will meet all current hardware version 1.4, 1.4a protocols. 10.2 Gbps is the maximum data transfer rate of a High Speed cable that has been certified by HDMI.org. Ethernet is for future options should it be adopted by the tv mfrs and implemented in their future hardware. To date, as far as I know, there aren't any consumer devices that take advantage of the etherent channel in the HDMI cable. Same it true for Deep Color.

Yeah, but Deep Color sounds COOL....even if it doesn't work (it doesn't and is just a marketing tool.)

I can see Garnoch now, sitting on his couch, drinking his Jack, watching in "Deep Color" a video of Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water." Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Edited by Ricoflashback - 1/26/13 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Yeah, but Deep Color sounds COOL....even if it doesn't work (it doesn't" and is just a marketing tool.)

I can see Garnoch now, sitting on his couch, drinking his Jack, watching in "Deep Color" a video of Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water." Sorry, I couldn't resist.

LOL!!

So I've been playing around with this "Motion lighting" on "Standard" mode, and it seems to give me even better black levels by adjusting the "Brightness". As soon as I change the brightness level, it cancels it out. I need to play around with this more, but so far I'm digging it
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/26/13 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I think you're talking about LED Motion Plus? If so, that has nothing to do with either of the dimming features. Supposedly that is supposed to help with fast moving scenes. I guess it's supposed to help with motion blur. When I first got my TV I turned that on, which required some extra tweaking to my settings because it darkens the screen for whatever reason. I ended up turning it off because it seemed to wash out the colors a little and I never EVER saw anything that it's supposed to do. I think others have said that they can tell no difference with it being on and off, so I just left it off.

No, I'm asking about the Motion Lighting setting in the Advanced Menu.
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Yeah, but Deep Color sounds COOL....even if it doesn't work (it doesn't and is just a marketing tool.)

I can see Garnoch now, sitting on his couch, drinking his Jack, watching in "Deep Color" a video of Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water." Sorry, I couldn't resist.

A lot of blu-ray players and tv's have an option to enable Deep Color, unfortunately there aren't any sources (blu-ray disks etc) that are produced in Deep Color. The problem with having the feature already on blu-ray players is that if you enable it, it can really mess up your pq because of the processing that it's trying to perform on data that isn't there.
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Exactly.. I was just posting what the cable says when you buy one. We were also trying to figure out if maybe Samsung is going to take advantage of this tech this year since they are showing a HDMI cable going into the TV and Evo Kit. We don't know this for sure yet

Understood. If the cable is marked at HDMI 1.4 it must be an old cable because I think they were supposed to stop labeling cables as such in 2011. If Samsung does enable some sort of HDMI with ethernet it will probably be a proprietary chipset which will only work with the Evo Kit (whatever that is).
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post



Those who have an axe to grind will gripe anyway...I'm just trying to show how ridiculous that is at this point


+++10
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

A lot of blu-ray players and tv's have an option to enable Deep Color, unfortunately there aren't any sources (blu-ray disks etc) that are produced in Deep Color. The problem with having the feature already on blu-ray players is that if you enable it, it can really mess up your pq because of the processing that it's trying to perform on data that isn't there.

Yes - I learned about this after extensive reading. Useless data or lack thereof. But it sure sounds good and if I hadn't run across an article on YCBCr/RGB (HDMI) settings on my Bluray player - - I would have never known about it.

You're a much better authority on this than I am but for anyone reading, the basic "tip" is to turn off "Deep Color" off on your Bluray player. (I do not know if "Auto" hurts - but even then, as Otto Pylot mentions - - it's looking for data that's not there. Futureproof?? smile.gif)

But who in their right mind wouldn't set to "Auto" or "Enable" the "HDMI Deep Color Output" option on their Bluray player if you didn't know any different? Who doesn't like deep color - - unless you're an old B&W film fan.
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I've got a question about the Dynamic Contrast setting on the TV. Garnoch turned his OFF. But doesn't it make sense to have it on if one is going to "enjoy" the benefit of Microdimming and Contrast Enhancement? Dynamic means it can change and if it's off doesn't it mean it cannot change?

I sometimes like Dynamic Contrast on in Movie mode but usually prefer it off in Standard mode. It's not Micro Dimming though but I understand the confusion because it's description basically matches what we now know about MD. But if it's true that MD is on by default in all basic modes except Movie, then why isn't Movie the only mode that that DC can be turned on or off? Based on how blacks look in Movie to me now, lack of flashlighting, etc., I almost want to say I think MD is now on in Movie mode for the first time, but without the CE Dimming of the other modes. Also, I haven't noticed a green tint with my settings, and after a reset, the norm would be to put your settings back in. But keep in mind things may change a little. If Samsung did make the default modes look better and your happy with it, then go with it. Also if they did actually make the default modes better, that means the starting point has changed for any additional setting changes you do, which is why tweaks may be needed. If that's true though, how would that mess up the Cal-Day & Cal-Night pro calibration modes that people paid a lot of money for? As of now, I plan to to do my tweaks late tonight, check CE Dimming in Standard and see how the default settings look as well. I may not get to it though.
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As for the Evo Kit, my feeling is that I'm very happy a company has finally decided to build an upgradable path into something like a TV (even if I choose not to buy it). If you don't like it, then don't get it - you still got the TV you paid for. Options are always nice though and I'm glad I at least have the option to purchase it. If I purchase it, it will depend on price vs. features. They're not stupid so I assume they know the majority of the regular Joe's are not going to buy this thing. It will mostly be people like us. But if people like us are already complaining about a high price, especially for little to no picture enhancements, then Samsung isn't going to make money because a percentage of us are going to buy it. If that does happen, I assume they would stop the program. They must be aware of this, so I assume they will attempt to give a decent price for as many options as possible. Then again, I also assume a company would get release notes on firmware updates. And if just the "idea" of an Evo Kit can sell TVs, they may even sell the kits at a loss, which could make perfect business sense. I don't know about you guys, but the kit played a role in me purchasing this TV to begin with - see my point?
Off the top of my head, and this is not set in stone, I'd say I might buy it for the following....
$400 - Includes picture enhancements with whatever they are now calling Cinema Black
$300 - Includes picture enhancements without whatever they are now calling Cinema Black
$200 - Simply includes better smart hub and web features
What I would really like to see though is a 4 year plan to minimize costs. A cheaper price if you buy all four updates up front. Without having to order it, they send you a new one each year with a return slip to send the old one back. If you don't send it back, then its yours to keep (to use on another TV or sell) and if you do send it back, then you get a partial refund.
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post


But who in their right mind wouldn't set to "Auto" or "Enable" the "HDMI Deep Color Output" option on their Bluray player if you didn't know any different? Who doesn't like deep color - - unless you're an old B&W film fan.

Setting your player to Auto will be fine because your player (depending on the model) will detect the correct encoding and send that along it's way. I pretty much have my player set to not do anything but detect what ever the disk (DVD or Blu-ray) is encoded in and send it to the tv without any extra, and in my opinion, unnecessary processing. Just YCbCr 4:2:2 and that's it (pretty much).
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Something just hit me about some people seeing a green push based on their settings. Is it possible that instead of it being a green push, they actually just adjusted to red push to not be so present?
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Garnoch - I'm still a little confused on what the Evo Kit is. Is it a standalone box (like a STB) or is it something that is attached (via a port on the back of the tv?). If there are picture enhancements, it sounds like (forgive me but I can't seem to remember the name) the box that can be put between the tv and a source to take the signal and correct it to rec. 709 standards and then pass that along to the tv. Being an LG owner, I'm intrigued by this "upgrade".
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Garnoch - I'm still a little confused on what the Evo Kit is. Is it a standalone box (like a STB) or is it something that is attached (via a port on the back of the tv?). If there are picture enhancements, it sounds like (forgive me but I can't seem to remember the name) the box that can be put between the tv and a source to take the signal and correct it to rec. 709 standards and then pass that along to the tv. Being an LG owner, I'm intrigued by this "upgrade".

I think its a great idea and one or the reasons why I bought mine as well. Here's a video they showed the world last year before these sets came out.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/home_electronics/samsung_tv.html
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