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post #10921 of 16126
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Originally Posted by LoD80k View Post

Hello. I'm new to this thread. Forgive me if i'm barging in but i could use some educated perspective.

I have a 60" Panasonic GT50 plasma and a 55" Sony XBR HX950 sitting side by side in my living room right now. Panny plasma's picture leaves me somewhat disappointed but I love the size. Not as crisp and saturated as i'd like. XBR's picture is tremendous but really feels a bit small (65" is too much$$). I keep thinking the Samsung ES8000 LED may be perfect for me but every store I walk into i'm told the 8000 has a bunch of issues, or that the GT plasma beats it, or that it's nowhere near the picture of the Sony, or that there will always be some degree of soap opera effect i cannot eliminate, or that the level of screen uniformity, blooming, and DSE are worse than the Panasonic plasma or the XBR (which so far has zero issues). The DSE on light backgrounds such as hockey makes me cringe. I have also been told for the same price point to wait for the new Samsung that is so great it will solve world hunger without paying XBR and Elite prices. I thought it would be smart to ask you guys since you own them and have probably been through all of the pros/cons, problems and solutions. I'm between a rock and a hard place because i really would like to take advantage of 2012 model prices. I have been delaying this purchase since October of 2011. Can you guys give me your 2 cents and the cliff notes breakdown? Please. Thanks so much.

LoD80k, or any other previous Plasma owners, I just brought home my GT50 and I want to know what I need to look out for early on to see if this is the panel for me. In this thread it seems flash lighting, clouding, uniformity is the LED worry. As best I have been able to figure buzzing and IR are the worries for the GT or even VT.

How about more personal stuff? I won't hear about it over in the GT50 thread because those folks are happy with their sets, which I hope to be too, but you folks went another direction? why?
post #10922 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

You're close enough to the new models being introduced that you should be able to find a great TV at a great price.

I've seen the 70" Elite (to die for - - solid black (my preference) very elegant and backlit). At the time I was looking - - it also had a "to die" for price, too!

Enjoy the experience - - that's what this is all about!

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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Have you seen the price drop on Amazon for the Elite?
Thanks. My 50" 9 yr. old plasma kicked the bucket. I'm kind of a Sony person now after owning a VW90ES PJ that threw a excellent picture on my 110" screen. But I've been watching this thread and the other 2 threads. Thanks for giving me a heads up on the Amazon price. I don't want to go any larger than 55"-60" TV. That's all the room I have with my setup. I have a ceiling mount so I could slide 3 Klipsch RF7IIs and then my 110" screen just drops in front of everything. Lots of decisions. Thanks again.
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post #10924 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

LoD80k, or any other previous Plasma owners, I just brought home my GT50 and I want to know what I need to look out for early on to see if this is the panel for me. In this thread it seems flash lighting, clouding, uniformity is the LED worry. As best I have been able to figure buzzing and IR are the worries for the GT or even VT.

How about more personal stuff? I won't hear about it over in the GT50 thread because those folks are happy with their sets, which I hope to be too, but you folks went another direction? why?

Check out my review on the GT thread. The picture below shows an LED on the left and plasma on the right. Not sure if you can zoom in? The Samsung is an LED in 60". Thus my interest in the Samsung. Probably best to pm me so we don't hijack this thread. I will answer any questions.


Edited by LoD80k - 1/28/13 at 7:50pm
post #10925 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

LoD80k, or any other previous Plasma owners, I just brought home my GT50 and I want to know what I need to look out for early on to see if this is the panel for me. In this thread it seems flash lighting, clouding, uniformity is the LED worry. As best I have been able to figure buzzing and IR are the worries for the GT or even VT.

How about more personal stuff? I won't hear about it over in the GT50 thread because those folks are happy with their sets, which I hope to be too, but you folks went another direction? why?

I ultimately decided that the GT50 wasn't for me after spending a couple of weeks watching broadcast channels. The crisp, clean Direct TV HD picture I was used to on my old 46" LED looked consistently horrible on the GT50. In fact, some channels didn't look like HD at all. No amount of tweaking seemed to make a difference. I just couldn't dial in a satisfying picture. It got so bad, I honestly thought something was wrong with the receiver. I reconnected my 46" TV back to the Direct TV box and all was once again well. That was the deal-breaker for me. If all I was going to use the Panny for was watching Blu-ray discs in an always darkened room, I would have kept it. I found Its performance in that environment using that particular source to be almost second to none. For all other viewing, though, not so much (3D playback, in particular, was especially awful, with a dull, dark 3D image full of crosstalk and headache-inducing flicker). Unfortunately, Blu-rays at night comprises only a portion of what I need a TV like this to do. The only other thing about the GT50 that really surprised me was how much heat it generated compared to my LED. This was my first foray into the world of plasma, but if you are a previous plasma owner, then you may be used to this and it is not going to be a deterrent to you. In the end, I have to say that under certain conditions, the GT50 is a truly stellar performer. How you feel about it when it gets outside its comfort zone, that is the big question, and only you can decide that. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do!
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Those who are interested:

With the new Apple TV OS update now you can pair your Samsung Bluetooth keyboard. I used model KBD1500. Press pairing button on the back of the keyboard and go to general menu of the Apple TV, then select the Samsung keyboard. It'll automatically pair the keyboard without entering any password.

Happy YouTube and Netflix surfing.

Don't know why Samsung is taking ages to include keyboard support for these key apps !
post #10927 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Sorry your going through this. I didn't release this issue was As bad as you just said andI thought it did this just a couple of times. From reading reviews on Amazon and other articles online and seeing a few members on the D8000 thread and on this thread recently experience the same exact thing you are, I would say you need to have the main board replaced. Is this what they already replaced once for you?

This seems to be a wide spread issue with the 2011 and 2012 models. Way more than I thought, which is why I hope you purchased the extended warranty for your set so you can atleast get 4 years of not having to worry about not having a TV. I strongly suggest if this is the second time you need this board replaced, that you talk to a "Supervisor" in the ECR dept or send an Email to the Office of the presidents office explaining this and that you should be givin the extended warranty at no cost or deeply discounted since this is the second time in one year that this boards failed. I don't think the board itself cost that much, but if you don't know how to install it yourself, I heard the charge for labor and parts is $500 just for this service. If you click on Garnochs name, I think he has added the Office of the Presidents Email to his guide if you want to contact them. I hope this main board issue isn't going to be like their capacitor issue that's plagued most of their older sets.

Good luck and keep us posted:)

Yes they already replaced the mainboard the first time they came out. The TV operated fine for about a month or so and then it started up again. I did not purchase an extended warranty, but I have extended warranty protection through the American Express that I purchased it with. I have another service appointment for Friday and we'll see what happens.
post #10928 of 16126
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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Yes they already replaced the mainboard the first time they came out. The TV operated fine for about a month or so and then it started up again. I did not purchase an extended warranty, but I have extended warranty protection through the American Express that I purchased it with. I have another service appointment for Friday and we'll see what happens.

Good luck.. If you don't mind, can you ask the tech that comes how much it would cost for the Board, and labor if your TV wasn't covered under warranty? This seems to be a very common issue going around. I've been reading all over between all different models of others having failed boards. I think its good to know ahead of time how much this will cost for the people that don't have any warranties and can't replace the Board themselves. Thanks..
post #10929 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

There's no doubt an evo kit will most likely get this upgrade at some point, but I IMHO, not the first evo kit out.

Your probably right.. I just thought that maybe this years kit will get it since their new F series is. But then again, they are going to need to save some features aside for next years kit
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After two weeks use. The banding for my replacement. Im going to keep this set.
post #10931 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post



After two weeks use. The banding for my replacement. Im going to keep this set.

It's hard to tell from any picture on the web but that looks pretty good. What size screen is it?

Also - with banding, many times the source material can show more or less so to speak. Example: hockey and golf are probably the two sports were banding shows the most on my 65" Sammy set. But!!! I watched parts of two hockey games this past week (the Colorado Avalanche - if you can call them a hockey team) and the first one had noticeable banding but last night in Edmonton - - virtually zero banding! Not there. Maybe it was the darker color of the ice or, in my opinion, the source signal as well.

A good check is to see how much banding you get with your Bluray player. My guess is minimal compared to broadcast TV - either cable or satellite- - unless you happen to get a clunker like I did (2nd set) that showed banding when it first powered on - - you know, the Samsung logo. (Slight exaggeration...)
post #10932 of 16126
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I think some people have banding built into their eyes. I "thought" I saw some briefly on golf yesterday for godsakes. I've seen some pix of it but here's my spin on banding: IF ALL YOU SEE IT ON IS HOCKEY THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT FREAKING HOCKEY! biggrin.gif
...I watch a boatload of hockey; zero banding BUT pleasantly surprised at the amount of deatil and texture on the ice conditions....love

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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Blade, who you kidding.... You learned one and only one thing from us idiots..... DO NOT EVER UPGRADE FIRMWARE smile.gif

Then again, I'm liking this new on so far.
...You know me well my man. I'm glad the new FW is correcting and/or improving picture quality for my good buds here on the thread. I myself will definately sit on the sidelines for a while.

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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

No true. A handful? Yes. The majority here have not utter a word about remorse. Myself included.
...ditto. Not a second on buyers remorse. I LOVE this tv. The great news is that shopping tv's is also splitting hairs among fantastic picture quality spread around a few brands. I love this.

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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

One thing great about this thread and our Sammy sets - - between the firmware updates, the panel issues and the EVO kit release(s) - - there will be plenty to discuss.

Fast forward - this thread five years from now....

"Got my panel replacement today - - totally different! Completely clear - - not a spot on it! Zero banding, zero flashlighting, zero anything! Samsung tech talked me into EVO Kit 5 with Ultra HD and "Deep Color." All I can say is WOW! I saw the Masters in 3D this weekend - - it was like Tiger was in your living room! Glad I got my TV fixed in time to watch the Cubbies defend their title. I'll be there on opening day with President Clinton. Did you see the new Samsung 120" OLED that weighs twenty pounds! $25K is still too much for a TV."
...KILLER stuff and a BullsEye Rico!!!

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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

This is an awesome thread with some awesome people posting in it. Even non owners come here to read this thread. There's always something new going on. Wether its direct TV, FW updates, what good 3D movies are out, what's a good AVR to buy, you name it, we got it right here..lol!
...yup, love it. I only have to pounce when someones "agenda" goes overboard and overkill on a negative...then it's time to put the kabosh on said poster. I really like reports on how other sources play with the 8000.

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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

I check the thread daily for info. Still decidingq between the ES8000, Sony 55" 950 or the 60" Elite. Or now I may wait for the new models to come out.
...Money aside, i'd grab the Elite RTFN but....it was not in the mix when I was shopping. It's better than my 60" es8000 that i paid 2900 for including a soundbar and a vacumn cleaner (dont ask LOL) ...even at 4500 its not what I would consider NEARLY 1500 better in pic quality... Money no object, grab the Elite. When these are off and floating in your room. The es8000 is hands down the sexiest piece of gear out there.
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I totally agree Blade.. The ES8000 is the "Sexiest" looking TV out right now. I think I like the stand on the ES8000 more than the new F. Its hard to tell for sure since I haven't seen it in person yet.

Here's a great article on 4K for anyone Interested. I know, I'm getting tired of hearing about it too, but this explains why its not worth it for the people out there that can't wait for it. I'm more excited about OLED. 4K on a projector.. Then its worth it, but not really for TVs. This explains why

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
post #10934 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post



After two weeks use. The banding for my replacement. Im going to keep this set.

That looks good to me, but yea it is hard to tell from pics. From those pics though, your banding looks way better than mine. I have my pics posted if you click on my avatar. Can you even see banding on the "Test" picture? Its the pic of a beach in the settings.
post #10935 of 16126
OK, this may have already been mentioned regarding the latest FW update, but has anyone else noticed an improvement on the faint "v" that we have come to know and love. I can tell you that it was not very noticeable before but it was there. Since my firmware update, it is completely gone - I have been looking for it, and cannot see it, even in the most favorable conditions to showcase that effect.

On letterbox content, under the right lighting conditions, I would notice the V consistently enough prior to this update. It was never an issue as it was so faint but for the life of me I cannot see it anymore.

I don't miss the little guy, but I am dubious about a FW update fixing something like this.
post #10936 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

OK, this may have already been mentioned regarding the latest FW update, but has anyone else noticed an improvement on the faint "v" that we have come to know and love. I can tell you that it was not very noticeable before but it was there. Since my firmware update, it is completely gone - I have been looking for it, and cannot see it, even in the most favorable conditions to showcase that effect.

On letterbox content, under the right lighting conditions, I would notice the V consistently enough prior to this update. It was never an issue as it was so faint but for the life of me I cannot see it anymore.

I don't miss the little guy, but I am dubious about a FW update fixing something like this.

Yeah, I have, especially in Movie mode. Movie mode now looks as deep as Standard too me with the correct and comparable backlight for the lighting conditions. Others have mentioned it too. I'm not sure what they did though. I've liked all the updates except the previous one, so this was a good one for me.
post #10937 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

OK, this may have already been mentioned regarding the latest FW update, but has anyone else noticed an improvement on the faint "v" that we have come to know and love. I can tell you that it was not very noticeable before but it was there. Since my firmware update, it is completely gone - I have been looking for it, and cannot see it, even in the most favorable conditions to showcase that effect.

On letterbox content, under the right lighting conditions, I would notice the V consistently enough prior to this update. It was never an issue as it was so faint but for the life of me I cannot see it anymore.

I don't miss the little guy, but I am dubious about a FW update fixing something like this.

++1

The letterbox bars are so black now as they should be. Its now a pleasure watching movies that have these black bars. I'm curious, do you have the ES8000 or the 7500? And are you seeing the difference in movie mode or standard?

I'm wondering if the 8000 owners are seeing a difference compared to the 7500 owners since they have Micro Dimming pro and the 8000 has the ultimate?
post #10938 of 16126
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Originally Posted by LoD80k View Post

Check out my review on the GT thread. The picture below shows an LED on the left and plasma on the right. Not sure if you can zoom in? The Samsung is an LED in 60". Thus my interest in the Samsung. Probably best to pm me so we don't hijack this thread. I will answer any questions.


You did end up with a UN60ES8000, right? What made you go that direction....The GT is not that exciting during the day and I am really worried i made a bad choice.
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If that were me, I would definitely go with the 60" ES8000 over the GT50 any day. I heard good things about the G, but its no where as sleek as the Samsung. Also the 60" has a great panel with most having no visable banding whatsoever.

About this last FW update, my sets look like they have the "Cinema Black" feature now. That's how inky the black levels on the top and bottom are in standard. I don't notice any of the flashlighting I had either anymore..

This is why I would recommend blade to update it before they release another one. Because I think like two updates ago, whatever version it was, really messed up my sets. But this one, made a big improvement and say they released another one in a few days, I wouldn't even update it again, because its that good now.

We also have to remember that Samsung's dimming tech is all software based, so of course these update are going to affect the picture to some degree. Look at the Sony playstation.. They were able to get 3D on their players just from an update. A lot can be done through this Firmware updates is what I'm trying to say.
But updates can also screw things up too.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/29/13 at 7:35am
post #10940 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

If that were me, I would definitely go with the 60" ES8000 over the GT50 any day. I heard good things about the G, but its no where as sleek as the Samsung. Also the 60" has a great panel with most having no visable banding whatsoever.

If you weren't the least concerned about sleek, which really doesn't matter to me, would you still say the same thing?
post #10941 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

OK, this may have already been mentioned regarding the latest FW update, but has anyone else noticed an improvement on the faint "v" that we have come to know and love. I can tell you that it was not very noticeable before but it was there. Since my firmware update, it is completely gone - I have been looking for it, and cannot see it, even in the most favorable conditions to showcase that effect.

On letterbox content, under the right lighting conditions, I would notice the V consistently enough prior to this update. It was never an issue as it was so faint but for the life of me I cannot see it anymore.

I don't miss the little guy, but I am dubious about a FW update fixing something like this.

Affirmative - - the little fellow is gone on my set as well. The "V" that I had on my TV was most noticeable when changing scenes - - going from a bright scene and then fading to black and back again. At any rate - - I'm happy that it's no longer there!

So - - does that mean that Samsung can address PQ issues we didn't think they could with firmware updates?
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Yes! Picture quality comes first.. Design comes after
post #10943 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Affirmative - - the little fellow is gone on my set as well. The "V" that I had on my TV was most noticeable when changing scenes - - going from a bright scene and then fading to black and back again. At any rate - - I'm happy that it's no longer there!

So - - does that mean that Samsung can address PQ issues we didn't think they could with firmware updates?

I Always knew they could through these FW updates because I've seen it with my own eyes with my D8000. If you notice on that thread, no one posts anymore because once they released that one update, mostly everyone became very happy with it, so they were left with nothing else to talk about except for issues that pop up now once in a while

Not only that, I bought the 46" ES8000 on Amazon the same day they were released. I even had them over night it to me for $3.99 extra which they can do so long as its under 50" I think. But this ES8000 had no updates yet and it looked horrible! The blacks were grey! No even black, but then they quickly released a FW update before anyone bought the set and it fixed the issue big time..
Edited by Anthony5362 - 1/29/13 at 7:45am
post #10944 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Here's one source that hints that the Evo kit will bring the HDVC support

http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/peripherals/samsung-at-ces-tvs-tablets-and-even-refr/240145791

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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

There's no doubt an evo kit will most likely get this upgrade at some point, but I IMHO, not the first evo kit out.

nothing really new in the article... h.265 is nothing new..its been in the talks...but i can guarantee it wont be in this evo kit just yet.....and if it is...no biggie...its just a compression technology...its not gonna "WOW' any of us.... i take everything with a grain of salt.... wink.gif
post #10945 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

++1

The letterbox bars are so black now as they should be. Its now a pleasure watching movies that have these black bars. I'm curious, do you have the ES8000 or the 7500? And are you seeing the difference in movie mode or standard?

I'm wondering if the 8000 owners are seeing a difference compared to the 7500 owners since they have Micro Dimming pro and the 8000 has the ultimate?

IF MD still isn't in Movie mode, that might explain why I see a difference in Movie mode but not much if any difference in Standard mode (which isn't a bad thing since it was already awesome). In other words, yes the 8000's Ultimate may be making a larger difference than the 7500's Pro in Standard mode. Granted on a pure black screen I still see a little clouding if looked at off axis (in either mode), but it's slight and not something that bothers me in the least - I understood the technology before I bought.
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post


nothing really new in the article... h.265 is nothing new..its been in the talks...but i can guarantee it wont be in this evo kit just yet.....and if it is...no biggie...its just a compression technology...its not gonna "WOW' any of us.... i take everything with a grain of salt.... wink.gif

I really don't care if it's included either, but after what I know I had read and seen somewhere, if the F series does have it, then I would actually bet that the Evo Kit will have it too because something like that would be dependent on the chips - which is included in the kit. Either way, it won't be a deciding factor for me.
post #10947 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I really don't care if it's included either, but after what I know I had read and seen somewhere, if the F series does have it, then I would actually bet that the Evo Kit will have it too because something like that would be dependent on the chips - which is included in the kit. Either way, it won't be a deciding factor for me.

Exactly! This is what I'm thinking also. Unless they leave it out this year just to have something for next years..Im more happy that its going to have a quad core processor and a better usable smart hub. Anything beyond that now is just a plus. So long as they keep it under $300 though. I also like the new remote that comes with it. Looks much better than the one we have now
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Not to get off subject here, but has anyone checked out Samsung's new camera that can shoot 3D stills and videos? I think this would be great for all the 3D fans out there. Rico, you could even record your own XXX of you and Your girl In 3D and then watch it on your amazing 3D TV..lol

http://m.nbcnews.com/technology/gadgetbox/samsungs-nx300-mirrorless-camera-can-shoot-hd-video-3-d-1B7812455
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

++1

The letterbox bars are so black now as they should be. Its now a pleasure watching movies that have these black bars. I'm curious, do you have the ES8000 or the 7500? And are you seeing the difference in movie mode or standard?

I'm wondering if the 8000 owners are seeing a difference compared to the 7500 owners since they have Micro Dimming pro and the 8000 has the ultimate?

I have the 8000, and I primarily use Standard now, whereas I used to go back and forth between Movie and Standard. Since the last update, I doubt I will be using Movie mode any longer. Standard just looks better to me overall, and I am not constantly tweaking my settings to get that nice picture.

I am really surprised at how much of a difference I have noticed since this last update. Previous updates have been ok, but I always wondered if my perception of changes was based on the fact that I wanted to see a difference. With this update, I DEFINITELY see a difference, and I am loving it!
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

I have the 8000, and I primarily use Standard now, whereas I used to go back and forth between Movie and Standard. Since the last update, I doubt I will be using Movie mode any longer. Standard just looks better to me overall, and I am not constantly tweaking my settings to get that nice picture.

I am really surprised at how much of a difference I have noticed since this last update. Previous updates have been ok, but I always wondered if my perception of changes was based on the fact that I wanted to see a difference. With this update, I DEFINITELY see a difference, and I am loving it!

I always used movie mode before this update. I hated standard because of the dimming, but now when I try movie mode over standard, it just looks dull with a greenish tint to it and I see all the flashlighting in the corners, but not in standard. I'm very happy now and afraid to do another update after this one. smile.gif
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