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post #11341 of 16128
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Funny, I tried the picture reset on the ES7100 and the PQ did impove after the FW update.

After I re-entered my settings the blacks were darker and color more accurate.

I use Movie for Blu-rays and DirecTV, Standard for Xbox360.

Congrats man! I'm glad you gave it a shot like I did.. We really shouldn't have to do this though, but Nitra is the one that recommended this and its worked for me.
post #11342 of 16128
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

Thats my story :
-started with i1 display LT + HCFR (with help of fantastic kal's guide)
- then I bought chromapure standard w/o meter
-now I'm waiting for i1 display 3 from curtpalme .

-Compared price of your set with mine (about 1/3 of es8000), go with i1 D3 + chromapure (419USD).
-I have HCFR, i tested calman 4.5 an 5, i have chromapure.
-HCFR is without support and help. Author is not working on newer version. For its price (is free) it is good piece of programmers work, but prepare to learn a lot. Prepare to fight with drivers for meter...
-I1 D3 is class leading meter
-from my I1 LT I have to remove rubber suckers and is not so precise in low levels (and we want to have beautiful blacks)
-spyder has some negative reviews

I am professional programmer - from this point of view, calman is fantastic work, but chromapure is intuitive and straightforward, more user friendly
And at last, but not least, Tom Huffman or Kal will answer in few hours to any question. (not saying calman support is wrong, I have no licensed version, only betas)
Trust me, I'm playing with calibration almost once a week. It is really challenge but still pure joy to get maxx from TV. And each set is bit different, you will see how far your calibrated setting differs from forum's setting (sorry Garnoch...tongue.gif).
If you are not two-left-handed, also you learn much about color spaces, cie diagrams, gamma, how menu setting work, what about is warm1 or warm2 settings, what dark tone is doing with your blacks and at the end you will love your set even more..
Thats my 2cents.

FYI here is my report...
Film03012013.pdf 1343k .pdf file

Thanks for the info! I checked the Chromapure site and it looks like they're wanting $595 for the i1D3 Pro with Chromapure Standard. Who is selling that bundle for $419?

I was thinking of getting the meter on Amazon and using the i1Profiler software that they provide for the Mac and would get the Chromapure software a little later. The problem is it looks like Chromapure won't work with the meter unless you buy it from them in the bundle. Is that correct? At least on their site it says it won't work with the "retail" version of the meter.
post #11343 of 16128
Wow! I didn't realize this meter was so expensive. I hope this isn't how much Turboman got scammed for.
post #11344 of 16128
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

It has been a while since I looked what is available on the market.
I also read the post from prsut.
Two years ago, I also worked with HCFR. But support is lacking. I do not know the HCFR capabilities now.
Chromapure is easy enough. Standard version would be sufficient for you.
Never tried out Calman.
Originally I had a i1D2 (Display2) which I believed in blindly. Until I got a i1Dsplay3PRO, which is much more accurate, and then I saw how much the Display2 was off.
So getting an accurate meter is important. I would now recommend i1D3 or i1D3PRO.
I am very sorry my aim to lend my calibrated i1Dispaly2 together with Chromapure license did not work out, as the meter disappeared mysteriously and did not turn up anymore. That would have been quick and easy for you.

Hey Turbo! That's a bummer what happened with your spare meter. I was planning on buying it from you. Now that it's gone I'm trying to figure out what meter and software to get. I have spent a lot of $$$ since getting this TV, so I wasn't wanting to spend a lot on a meter and software, but it looks like I might have to. Here's what this TV purchase forced me to do:

TV-> WoW-> mini-keyboard-> Elite AVR-> bluetooth & Wifi adapters for AVR-> Apple TV3-> new satellite FH speakers-> SPL meter and now I'm looking for a calibration meter. And for the love of God (are we still allowed to mention God in public?) STOP posting pictures of speakers in this thread! That's the last thing I need to be looking at. I could easily double-up what I've spent if I start looking at speakers. Then I'll have to spend more on the divorce... so please stop!

Anyway, the Spyder4Elite actually has good reviews on Amazon, which is why I was looking at that, but I think I'm leaning more towards the i1D3 Pro now. I'm just confused about whether or not the Chromapure software will work on a meter if I buy it through Amazon.
post #11345 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Hey Turbo! That's a bummer what happened with your spare meter. I was planning on buying it from you. Now that it's gone I'm trying to figure out what meter and software to get. I have spent a lot of $$$ since getting this TV, so I wasn't wanting to spend a lot on a meter and software, but it looks like I might have to. Here's what this TV purchase forced me to do:

TV-> WoW-> mini-keyboard-> Elite AVR-> bluetooth & Wifi adapters for AVR-> Apple TV3-> new satellite FH speakers-> SPL meter and now I'm looking for a calibration meter. And for the love of God (are we still allowed to mention God in public?) STOP posting pictures of speakers in this thread! That's the last thing I need to be looking at. I could easily double-up what I've spent if I start looking at speakers. Then I'll have to spend more on the divorce... so please stop!

Anyway, the Spyder4Elite actually has good reviews on Amazon, which is why I was looking at that, but I think I'm leaning more towards the i1D3 Pro now. I'm just confused about whether or not the Chromapure software will work on a meter if I buy it through Amazon.

LOL! I am constantly having to remind myself that I don't really need to upgrade my perfectly serviceable AVR; that I really don't need to start investigating media servers and massive external storage devices, etc. My room constraints prevent me from doing much on the speaker front, so at least that's not a constant struggle.
post #11346 of 16128
Rico,
I am man-crushing on your mancave gear! I can't wait till my wife someday approves funding for my audio upgrade to a DefTech setup. Yes, I do like the warm light of a lamp as well as backlighting which I have as well.
post #11347 of 16128
Guys, help me remember... Things look great with the new settings, but now i cant help but wonder if it is just placebo... Is Picture Reset from the picture menu "good enough" for the changes from 1046.2 to take effect? (that's all I did and it looks great). My system says 1046.2 so it did in fact update, but i am wondering if I still needed to do a full reset from the System menu and start over, which is something I didn't do. Thanks all. I guess it doesn't really matter since I am loving it, but I feel the need to know from others who have also studied the upgrade...
post #11348 of 16128
Somewhat OT: Vudu has released a beta of their home-based disc-to-digital offering - see this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399850/walmart-entertainment-s-disc-to-digital-service-powered-by-vudu/200_100#post_22910003 - it is currently about 5 or 6 posts up from the end of the thread. I just downloaded the beta, installed it, and bought three upgrades from my owned standard DVDs to HDX versions in Vudu (and UltraViolet) for $15. Took all of five minutes. Strikes me as a very nice way to store digital content in the cloud in a somewhat more neutral fashion (not tied to Amazon or iTunes, or others). For many of my older DVD titles I'll not have an interest in replacing them with blu-rays, but for $5 I'll take a 1080p version with the compression and lower bitrate that streaming offers. I've watched a few HDX versions through VuDu and am impressed - not blu-ray but very solid nonetheless.

Edit: Just purchased HDX versions of 5 more movies; 2 discs weren't recognized. These are all titles I had previously confirmed were available generally - that is not universal of course. The discs not recognized were both "anniversary" editions or special editions of older titles. Still, 7 attempts and 5 successes in less than 15 minutes is pretty cool. I guess now I am going to have watch one of these badboys through VuDu later today.End Edit
Edited by Catt99 - 2/2/13 at 10:27am
post #11349 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Rico,
I am man-crushing on your mancave gear! I can't wait till my wife someday approves funding for my audio upgrade to a DefTech setup. Yes, I do like the warm light of a lamp as well as backlighting which I have as well.

Bladrunner1959 - I'm not married but I might as well be. That was the only way I was able to purchase the beastly Studio CC690 center channel which was "off budget," "off balance sheet," and not, technically, an "approved purchase acquisition" going through normal channels (pun intended!)

This was one of those "ask for forgiveness" as opposed to "ask for permission" situations. I'm allowed one a year as long as it's within reasonable guidelines.

Suggestions to obtain purchase authorization for upgrading HT equipment and projects:

1. But honey, this is so we can spend quality time together.

2. Don't you want to see your movies in their best light?

3. This will make our place more attractive to other guests so we can entertain here and we don't have to leave home and I won't get a DUI - - thus spending two and three times OVER what it would cost to do the upgrade to our Home Theater.

4. It will increase the value of our home....

5. I just can't live with myself if I can't provide you with the very best !!!

smile.gifcool.giftongue.gif
post #11350 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Thanks for the info! I checked the Chromapure site and it looks like they're wanting $595 for the i1D3 Pro with Chromapure Standard. Who is selling that bundle for $419?

I was thinking of getting the meter on Amazon and using the i1Profiler software that they provide for the Mac and would get the Chromapure software a little later. The problem is it looks like Chromapure won't work with the meter unless you buy it from them in the bundle. Is that correct? At least on their site it says it won't work with the "retail" version of the meter.

With Chromapure or Calman you can use ONLY OEM version of i1D3 (or Pro). With OEM meter original x-rite software will not work. On other side, if you buy i1 D3 from amazon, probably it is not OEM, so profiler will work, and calman or chromapure will NOT work - more here. So be patient.
To your first question. Please see this link. and check chromapure packages.
Chromapure author is Tom Huffman, while behind Curtpalme is Kal, author of this a must read guide.
post #11351 of 16128
Lol! You guys are all cracking me up here.. Catt, that's really cool that you can do this through Vudu now. And only in 15 min! Wow! I always loved Vudu.. And love it even more now that you can do this without leaving the house! As jestered said, please stop with the speakers! Lol! Your going to make me go broke and I really need the money I have to buy another 60" ES8000 rather than new speakers. Although, those SVS towers I posted look sweet just like the "Synergy" by Klipsch does., hmm!
post #11352 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Rico,
I am man-crushing on your mancave gear! I can't wait till my wife someday approves funding for my audio upgrade to a DefTech setup. Yes, I do like the warm light of a lamp as well as backlighting which I have as well.

Blade, since you love the DefTechs, check out "GoldenEar" Tritons. They are a higher end DefTech.

http://hometheaterreview.com/goldenear-technology-triton-two-loudspeaker-reviewed/
post #11353 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post


5. I just can't live with myself if I can't provide you with the very best !!!

smile.gifcool.giftongue.gif

HAHAHA, this is best argument I ever heard....biggrin.gif
post #11354 of 16128
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

With Chromapure or Calman you can use ONLY OEM version of i1D3 (or Pro). With OEM meter original x-rite software will not work. On other side, if you buy i1 D3 from amazon, probably it is not OEM, so profiler will work, and calman or chromapure will NOT work - more here. So be patient.
To your first question. Please see this link. and check chromapure packages.
Chromapure author is Tom Huffman, while behind Curtpalme is Kal, author of this a must read guide.

Thanks again! I actually found Kal's site when researching this more. It looks like that's the place to get the bundle you mentioned initially. It also sounds like purchasing the meters from there does not lock them to any specific software, so the meter can be used with other stuff. I'll probably get the Chromapure bundle, so it doesn't really matter, but I want to make sure I'm not buying something only to find out after that it's not going to work with what I'm using. If I get that bundle from Kal, will it work with anything that supports that meter including the X-rite software? Or is it still locked out of the X-rite software? Does that stuff ship out of Canada?
post #11355 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Bladrunner1959 - I'm not married but I might as well be. That was the only way I was able to purchase the beastly Studio CC690 center channel which was "off budget," "off balance sheet," and not, technically, an "approved purchase acquisition" going through normal channels (pun intended!)

This was one of those "ask for forgiveness" as opposed to "ask for permission" situations. I'm allowed one a year as long as it's within reasonable guidelines.

Suggestions to obtain purchase authorization for upgrading HT equipment and projects:

1. But honey, this is so we can spend quality time together.

2. Don't you want to see your movies in their best light?

3. This will make our place more attractive to other guests so we can entertain here and we don't have to leave home and I won't get a DUI - - thus spending two and three times OVER what it would cost to do the upgrade to our Home Theater.

4. It will increase the value of our home....

5. I just can't live with myself if I can't provide you with the very best !!!

smile.gifcool.giftongue.gif

Lol. Pure comedy gold.
Nicely done.

Ohh....and my drool cup overfloweth looking at that HT set up.
post #11356 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

...For anyone who likes movies - - I strongly suggest getting the best, matching center channel you can. It's like a getting a whole new setup!
+1
This CC, the Euphonia CS4, is #57 and is exact timbre-matched to the MS5 FR/L floorstanders that weigh #152. MSRP $21.5K for the three.
post #11357 of 16128
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

+1
This CC, the Euphonia CS4, is #57 and is exact timbre-matched to the MS5 FR/L floorstanders that weigh #152. MSRP $21.5K for the three.

Wow! 152lbs! Holy ....! Very nice man..
post #11358 of 16128
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

+1
This CC, the Euphonia CS4, is #57 and is exact timbre-matched to the MS5 FR/L floorstanders that weigh #152. MSRP $21.5K for the three.

Nice setup! You guys are making me feel inadequate. I get enough of that from my wife haha.
post #11359 of 16128
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Thanks for the info! I checked the Chromapure site and it looks like they're wanting $595 for the i1D3 Pro with Chromapure Standard. Who is selling that bundle for $419?

I was thinking of getting the meter on Amazon and using the i1Profiler software that they provide for the Mac and would get the Chromapure software a little later. The problem is it looks like Chromapure won't work with the meter unless you buy it from them in the bundle. Is that correct? At least on their site it says it won't work with the "retail" version of the meter.

Chromapure will not work with a retail i1D3, only the OEM one. Calman will work with the retail i1d3 however.
post #11360 of 16128
Alright, 2 more hours down the drain. No one was home though so it was a nice relaxing way to spend my afternoon after some running around. I plugged in Turbo's and Prsut's calibrations.

My Standard and Movie modes look almost identical to the eye to Turbo's Movie settings and his match almost perfectly to all tests I run, though I would have to tweak ever so slightly to not clips some colors for my panel.

Neither look like Prsut's all though. Even though his, like Eagle's, mostly play nice with the tests, Prsut's colors are very very different. It almost looks like a Bleach Bypass film look and reds are orange. Keep in mind though, he has a totally different model that's probably coming into play. It could be that his panel needs Color Space to be different because I've never seen one on the 7500s or 8000s look like that. Both Turbo's and my Color Space to the eye seem to fall right in between on Native and Auto. Here's what I mean.

My Color Space
R 48, 0, 0
G 4,48,4
B 2, 6, 40
Y 52, 50, 4
C 0,50,51
M 40, 6, 44

Turbo's Color Space
R 48, 3, 0
G 4,47,3
B 0, 5, 47
Y 52, 47, 4
C 3,47,50
M 44, 5, 45

Prsut's Color Space
R 49,15,0
G 14,50,35
B 30,23,50
Y 49,50,29
C 33,50,51
M 49,25,49

The differences in Turbo's and my White Balance Gains seem to be practically made up by the other small differences between the two, to come up with a final picture that looks very very close. If someone would have changed my settings to Turbo's while I was away at work, I doubt I would have noticed when I got home, especially if I turn Black Tone off. With my Black tone on, even though I set everything to look fine with the tests, it does loose some shadow detail. I realize that but I usually think it's a decent trade off to the edge lit technology. Anthony with Black Tone or Dynamic Contrast on, you could get away with leaving my settings as is or bump Brightness up by 1. With both on together, I would definitely bump Brightness up by 1, and maybe 2 in order to help no lose more shadow detail. Once someone has settings they like though, I think it just comes down to preference for some of the settings - like Backlight, Eco Sensor, Dynamic Contrast, Black Tone, Black Enhancer, etc.
post #11361 of 16128
I have just finished tweaking and fiddling with my set after the latest firmware.
My finished product would probably have some purists cringing, but it looks fantastic to me, and thats what it is all about, huh?
I tend to like a slightly cooler look to my set, so I have my white balance set to "standard".
I have noticed, like others here, that the blacks are really nice and inky now.
I be luvin my set!

I'll post my admittedly slightly non-conformist settings if anyone would like to see them.
All my settings have been done by mixing Garnochs settings with some personal tweaks done by myself. I haven't used any calibration discs or the THX app. I just set it at what looks good to my eyes.
post #11362 of 16128
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Originally Posted by BPWingN View Post

I have just finished tweaking and fiddling with my set after the latest firmware.
My finished product would probably have some purists cringing, but it looks fantastic to me, and thats what it is all about, huh?
I tend to like a slightly cooler look to my set, so I have my white balance set to "standard".
I have noticed, like others here, that the blacks are really nice and inky now.
I be luvin my set!

I'll post my admittedly slightly non-conformist settings if anyone would like to see them.
All my settings have been done by mixing Garnochs settings with some personal tweaks done by myself. I haven't used any calibration discs or the THX app. I just set it at what looks good to my eyes.

Go on then get them posted, my settings make the calibrators vomit too but I love them biggrin.gif
post #11363 of 16128
Gents,
Have been lurking for long here in this thread and now it's time to post. I'm over in Sweden Europe and have installed the latest firmware which I guess is the same as yours just with a different numbering.
Is it a must to reset to benefit from improved pq from new firmware. If yes enough o reset the picture settings or full factory reset is needed? Kind of pain in the ass to redo all the settings for all sources..
post #11364 of 16128
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

Thats my story :
-started with i1 display LT + HCFR (with help of fantastic kal's guide)
- then I bought chromapure standard w/o meter
-now I'm waiting for i1 display 3 from curtpalme .

-Compared price of your set with mine (about 1/3 of es8000), go with i1 D3 + chromapure (419USD).
-I have HCFR, i tested calman 4.5 an 5, i have chromapure.
-HCFR is without support and help. Author is not working on newer version. For its price (is free) it is good piece of programmers work, but prepare to learn a lot. Prepare to fight with drivers for meter...
-I1 D3 is class leading meter
-from my I1 LT I have to remove rubber suckers and is not so precise in low levels (and we want to have beautiful blacks)
-spyder has some negative reviews

I am professional programmer - from this point of view, calman is fantastic work, but chromapure is intuitive and straightforward, more user friendly
And at last, but not least, Tom Huffman or Kal will answer in few hours to any question. (not saying calman support is wrong, I have no licensed version, only betas)
Trust me, I'm playing with calibration almost once a week. It is really challenge but still pure joy to get maxx from TV. And each set is bit different, you will see how far your calibrated setting differs from forum's setting (sorry Garnoch...tongue.gif).
If you are not two-left-handed, also you learn much about color spaces, cie diagrams, gamma, how menu setting work, what about is warm1 or warm2 settings, what dark tone is doing with your blacks and at the end you will love your set even more..
Thats my 2cents.

FYI here is my report...
Film03012013.pdf 1343k .pdf file

I was already looking at the spyder4elite on amazon after Jestered's post and it appears to have good reviews. The guy on the comments even gave it the advantage compared to the i1Display Pro. I also started reading the " GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES using HCFR" earlier just to see if I will need anything besides the color meter.

At the end of the HCFR tutorial, the author suggested going for the i1Display due to its consistent accuracy.


By the way, your calibration looks spot on. Even better than the reviewers at cnet. On your graph however on page 6 "Gamma", with gamma < 2.2 at 10%-20% does it mean that your black will look a little bit washed out? I'm not sure if I got the tutorial right. Are you using the CE dimming trick here?
post #11365 of 16128
Quote:
Originally Posted by BPWingN View Post

I have just finished tweaking and fiddling with my set after the latest firmware.
My finished product would probably have some purists cringing, but it looks fantastic to me, and thats what it is all about, huh?
I tend to like a slightly cooler look to my set, so I have my white balance set to "standard".
I have noticed, like others here, that the blacks are really nice and inky now.
I be luvin my set!

I'll post my admittedly slightly non-conformist settings if anyone would like to see them.
All my settings have been done by mixing Garnochs settings with some personal tweaks done by myself. I haven't used any calibration discs or the THX app. I just set it at what looks good to my eyes.

Hey, nothing wrong with that, man. A lot of people would probably love them, because it really seems like most prefer a cooler look so I think you should go for it.
post #11366 of 16128
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Originally Posted by cmannen View Post

Gents,
Have been lurking for long here in this thread and now it's time to post. I'm over in Sweden Europe and have installed the latest firmware which I guess is the same as yours just with a different numbering.
Is it a must to reset to benefit from improved pq from new firmware. If yes enough o reset the picture settings or full factory reset is needed? Kind of pain in the ass to redo all the settings for all sources..

For me it made me have to tweak things a little differently but the end product was the same. I wouldn't really say a reset made it look better though.
post #11367 of 16128
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

I was already looking at the spyder4elite on amazon after Jestered's post and it appears to have good reviews. The guy on the comments even gave it the advantage compared to the i1Display Pro. I also started reading the " GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES using HCFR" earlier just to see if I will need anything besides the color meter.

At the end of the HCFR tutorial, the author suggested going for the i1Display due to its consistent accuracy.


By the way, your calibration looks spot on. Even better than the reviewers at cnet. On your graph however on page 6 "Gamma", with gamma < 2.2 at 10%-20% does it mean that your black will look a little bit washed out? I'm not sure if I got the tutorial right. Are you using the CE dimming trick here?

You might want to look at the Colormunki too. I'm really considering getting that one. They're both made by X-Rite and It's quite a bit cheaper than the i1Display3 and supposed to be the exact same meter. The are some limitations between the two, but they're supposed to only be in the software they each use. The Colormunki also cannot use the Chromapure or Calman software, but it can use the HCFR stuff you're looking at. At least for now, that may be the way I'm leaning.
post #11368 of 16128
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

I was already looking at the spyder4elite on amazon after Jestered's post and it appears to have good reviews. The guy on the comments even gave it the advantage compared to the i1Display Pro. I also started reading the " GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES using HCFR" earlier just to see if I will need anything besides the color meter.

At the end of the HCFR tutorial, the author suggested going for the i1Display due to its consistent accuracy.


By the way, your calibration looks spot on. Even better than the reviewers at cnet. On your graph however on page 6 "Gamma", with gamma < 2.2 at 10%-20% does it mean that your black will look a little bit washed out? I'm not sure if I got the tutorial right. Are you using the CE dimming trick here?

That's great to know that it worked for someone with an 8000 panel and goes to show how different panels can be, and that for people without their own equipment, who not not going to hire someone, should try several until they find something that works for them - then tweak from there.
post #11369 of 16128
Many thanks to Anthony and Garnoch for their input. There seems to be a lot of dedicated owners in this thread who are sharing a lot of their time and efforts with one another. My hat's off to you guys. I've decided to stick with sammy but now after reading Anthony's post I am caught between the 65 & 60. The 65 looked really good in my room. It appears that Anthony is much more pleased and trouble free with his 60 than his 65. I would love to get another 65 but, after reading some of the posts common sense is telling me to go with the 60. I suppose larger is not better in this case. Like all of us, no one wants to have buyer's remorse. The two sizes having different panels sounds like it makes a lot of difference.
post #11370 of 16128
ok guys need a quick update on this set. the latest fw has improved/solved the flashlighting and improvement in other areas, but banding is still showing up.correct?
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