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post #11371 of 16129
It looks like the Colormunki meter will only give you a predefined 10p white balance, so that won't work for me. Now I just need to figure out if I want to get the retail i1Display3 and maybe get the CalMAN software later (if it will indeed work with the retail version of the meter) or go with the Chromapure bundle now. Decisions decisions...
post #11372 of 16129
Mmkay...my settings after the latest update.

Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 11
Contrast: 92
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 18
Color:50
Tint: 50/50

Screen Adjustment: 16x9 (this is weird. Always had it on screen fit before, but that is greyed out. It seems I'm getting all the pixels as I get the "light bars" on top when watching some commercials, as I did in screen fit. I changed the output of my Arris cable box to 720p,from 720p/1080i. Maybe thats the difference?)

Advanced Settings:
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Black Tone: Dark
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
White Balance
R Offset: 21
G Offset: 21
B Offset: 21

R Gain: 24
G Gain: 24
B Gain: 24

10p White Balance: greyed out
Gamma: 0
xvYCC: Off (greyed out)
Motion Lighting: Off
Black Enhancer: Off (greyed out

Picture Options
Color Tone: Standard
Digital Noise Filter: Auto (off for BluRay)
Mpeg Noise Filter: Auto (off for BluRay)
HDMI Black Level: Low (greyed out)
Film Mode: Off (greyed out)
Auto Motion Plus : Off....Standard for hockey.
LED Motion Plus: Off
Eco Sensor: On
Min Backlight: 7 or 8

This is for a 55es7500, done with Garnochs settings, with some personal preference tweaking by me with no calibration discs or tools.
Your mileage may vary.
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post #11373 of 16129
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

ok guys need a quick update on this set. the latest fw has improved/solved the flashlighting and improvement in other areas, but banding is still showing up.correct?

I wouldn't say solved, but this update did help with with clouding/flashlighting for some reason. I can't answer the banding issue, but other than some saying it can be diminished somewhat with certain settings, I wouldn't think an update could help with that. Hopefully someone with a 65", or Eagle, can chime in.
post #11374 of 16129
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Many thanks to Anthony and Garnoch for their input. There seems to be a lot of dedicated owners in this thread who are sharing a lot of their time and efforts with one another. My hat's off to you guys. I've decided to stick with sammy but now after reading Anthony's post I am caught between the 65 & 60. The 65 looked really good in my room. It appears that Anthony is much more pleased and trouble free with his 60 than his 65. I would love to get another 65 but, after reading some of the posts common sense is telling me to go with the 60. I suppose larger is not better in this case. Like all of us, no one wants to have buyer's remorse. The two sizes having different panels sounds like it makes a lot of difference.

You're welcome, just paying or forward. Anthony, as you know, literally has both to look at so he's the best to answer that, but I will say these two things in addition to what Anthony sees in person. One, the banding always seems to be an issue with the 65", but rarely seen on the 60". And two, remember that if you're sitting close to the TV, a larger picture will not look as well. I'll be extreme in this example, but an HD image on a 46" will look WAY better than an HD picture in a theater. If you're sitting the correct distance from your TV, you wouldn't notice though.
http://www.thehighdefinitionstore.com/TV-Viewing-Distance-s/79.htm
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-1Cprh37oRiD/learn/learningcenter/home/TV_placement.html
post #11375 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

You might want to look at the Colormunki too. I'm really considering getting that one. They're both made by X-Rite and It's quite a bit cheaper than the i1Display3 and supposed to be the exact same meter. The are some limitations between the two, but they're supposed to only be in the software they each use. The Colormunki also cannot use the Chromapure or Calman software, but it can use the HCFR stuff you're looking at. At least for now, that may be the way I'm leaning.

Thanks Jestered, I'll have to do a little more research since I don't know what's the best option for me up to now. The chromapure looks good, but Im not sure about the terms of the license.
post #11376 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

That's great to know that it worked for someone with an 8000 panel and goes to show how different panels can be, and that for people without their own equipment, who not not going to hire someone, should try several until they find something that works for them - then tweak from there.

Thanks Garnoch, I've been thinking for some time on buying a color meter myself, just waiting for the right time to approach my wife. =)
post #11377 of 16129
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Many thanks to Anthony and Garnoch for their input. There seems to be a lot of dedicated owners in this thread who are sharing a lot of their time and efforts with one another. My hat's off to you guys. I've decided to stick with sammy but now after reading Anthony's post I am caught between the 65 & 60. The 65 looked really good in my room. It appears that Anthony is much more pleased and trouble free with his 60 than his 65. I would love to get another 65 but, after reading some of the posts common sense is telling me to go with the 60. I suppose larger is not better in this case. Like all of us, no one wants to have buyer's remorse. The two sizes having different panels sounds like it makes a lot of difference.

Thanks man.. If I had to buy another set, which I do, Im going to get another 60" unless, I wait for the new F8000, which I don't think Im going to do since I have a feeling that the prices are going to be sky high when they come out due to the quad core etc.. Last year when these sets were first released, I had to pay very close to $3K for just the small 46", so I'm sure These new F series are going to be the same or even higher due to the specs they are showing. I would try and go with the 60" its seriously like a completely different TV. The banding doesn't change from the new update, so its there to stay if you have it.

Anyone looking to wait for the 2013 models. Here's what the 2012 cost in March last year

LED LCD

8000 Series: edge lit, ultimate micro dimming, 240 Hz, 3D, Smart TV, Interactive Remote, .2″ bezel

UN46ES8000 $2699

UN55ES8000 $3399

UN60ES8000 $3999

UN65ES8000 $4699

UN75ES8000 $7299
post #11378 of 16129
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

ok guys need a quick update on this set. the latest fw has improved/solved the flashlighting and improvement in other areas, but banding is still showing up.correct?

Unfortunately yes.. My banding is still there, but does look a little less noticeable. This update did however improve the viewing angle and the flashlighting I had. Remember though, I have an 8000 and Garnoch has the 7500. Supposedly, the 8000 has more zones than the 7500 which could be why I and others with the 8000 see more of a difference than Garnoch and Eagle does... This is the only difference those 2 models have, so it does make sense I guess
post #11379 of 16129
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Go on then get them posted, my settings make the calibrators vomit too but I love them biggrin.gif

Haha! Hey Arena man, what would you say about the updates you guys in the UK had recently? Isn't everyone a lot more happy now with their 8000 then they were before the updates? I have to say, you were so right when you told me how the update improves the pic a lot though. I was so excited when someone posted that it was available and even more so after it updated. The thing is, I had to reset like Rico in order to see the change for some reason. I don't understand why though, but I had to.
post #11380 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Thanks Jestered, I'll have to do a little more research since I don't know what's the best option for me up to now. The chromapure looks good, but Im not sure about the terms of the license.

No problem! The Colormunki looks promising, but it would bug me not being able to set the 10p white balance. Now I'm back to looking at the Spyder4Elite. I wouldn't have to buy any other software right away and it will work on my Mac. I'd really like to have the i1Display3, but that is going to require that I buy software right away. I'm so close to pulling the trigger it's not even funny. It's getting close to beer thirty, so I should probably make this decision with a clear mind. I can't tell you how many times I've woken up only to find through emails what I had ordered the night before.
post #11381 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Haha! Hey Arena man, what would you say about the updates you guys in the UK had recently? Isn't everyone a lot more happy now with their 8000 then they were before the updates? I have to say, you were so right when you told me how the update improves the pic a lot though. I was so excited when someone posted that it was available and even more so after it updated. The thing is, I had to reset like Rico in order to see the change for some reason. I don't understand why though, but I had to.

Yes the latest updates were like WOW is that for real? HD is almost Blu ray like on some sources, having said that it can still be improved upon a little.

I see no improvement on SD but don't watch that anyway. We just need the stuttering sorted now and we're done. Unfortunately every 65" panel I've heard of has banding, we don't have the 60" here either so people are being forced over to plasma for a uniform 60" + panel
post #11382 of 16129
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

It's good practice whenever there's firmware updates for devices that the setting are reset in full post update. This goes for any device.

In practice however this is rarely done. As confirmed by a few users here, the reset did clear most issues that have popped up after update. It perplexes me why Samsung doesn't have people reset when they call in.

Here's where Nitra told us all about doing a full reset. I didn't believe him at the time, but do now
post #11383 of 16129
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Yes the latest updates were like WOW is that for real? HD is almost Blu ray like on some sources, having said that it can still be improved upon a little.

I see no improvement on SD but don't watch that anyway. We just need the stuttering sorted now and we're done. Unfortunately every 65" panel I've heard of has banding, we don't have the 60" here either so people are being forced over to plasma for a uniform 60" + panel

++1

I agree.. The quality now is "like" blu ray! You have an 8000 though right? Yes, I agree, there is room for improvement. Especially with the motion handling and stutter. I didn't know they didn't make a 60" in the UK. That sucks man..
post #11384 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

++1

I agree.. The quality now is "like" blu ray! You have an 8000 though right? Yes, I agree, there is room for improvement. Especially with the motion handling and stutter. I didn't know they didn't make a 60" in the UK. That sucks man..

Yes I've the 55 ES8, bought day1 week 1 and it's about as perfect as you'll get, luckily, no banding, clouding or light bleed. Motion handling is also perfect apart from occasional stuttering. I'd be interested to se what people this side of the pond think of my settings as I've had very good feedback from the UK forum, not perfect but I haven't found anything to top them in nearly a year.
post #11385 of 16129
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Yes I've the 55 ES8, bought day1 week 1 and it's about as perfect as you'll get, luckily, no banding, clouding or light bleed. Motion handling is also perfect apart from occasional stuttering. I'd be interested to se what people this side of the pond think of my settings as I've had very good feedback from the UK forum, not perfect but I haven't found anything to top them in nearly a year.

Don't feel intimidated! Lol! Post them.. I promise I won't tease you if you have dynamic biggrin.gif
post #11386 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

No problem! The Colormunki looks promising, but it would bug me not being able to set the 10p white balance. Now I'm back to looking at the Spyder4Elite. I wouldn't have to buy any other software right away and it will work on my Mac. I'd really like to have the i1Display3, but that is going to require that I buy software right away. I'm so close to pulling the trigger it's not even funny. It's getting close to beer thirty, so I should probably make this decision with a clear mind. I can't tell you how many times I've woken up only to find through emails what I had ordered the night before.

LOL! I can relate to this.. Just happens last night. Except for the first time, I didn't screw up and think I got an amazing deal buying the Kef Model 7's for only $300 when they retailed $1,200 in the past.
post #11387 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Don't feel intimidated! Lol! Post them.. I promise I won't tease you if you have dynamic biggrin.gif

Not dynamic but a calibrator's nightmare nonetheless biggrin.gif. Having said that I must have had a hundred people on the AV forums saying they like these settings. I know they're not perfect but I find they're a great starting point. These are geared to Sky HD but work well on blu ray too

Picture Mode - Standard
Backlight 12
Contrast 80
brightness 43
Sharpness 30 (or whatever you like)
Colour 49
Tint 50/50
Dynamic Contrast Off
Black Tone Off
Flesh T 0
Colour Space Auto
White Balance all 25
Gamma 0
Motion Lighting Off
Colour Tone Standard
DNF/MPEG Off
Film Mode Auto 2
Motion Plus Off
LED MP Off
post #11388 of 16129
These look very similar to the Standard mode default settings. Except the default has the MD on High, and sharpness at 50, which is way too high. I have to post mine tomorrow. Isn't it better to have the film mode set to 1? Someone just told me this recently
post #11389 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

These look very similar to the Standard mode default settings. Except the default has the MD on High, and sharpness at 50, which is way too high. I have to post mine tomorrow. Isn't it better to have the film mode set to 1? Someone just told me this recently

Auto 2 seems slightly better for Sky source, not a lot in it though so just use what seems best
post #11390 of 16129
Just curious, anyone use dynamic or natural modes for anything?
post #11391 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Needis View Post

Just curious, anyone use dynamic or natural modes for anything?

Haha! No, but I know people who do like it. I did check out natural after the update and it seemed like it was even more saturated then before the update. The colors had an extremely warm tone to them. I did change some things around and made it look ok for maybe 3D movies,or animation, but everything needed to be toned down a lot. Its not recommended though for watching movies, but your the one that spent a ton of cash on it, so you should use whichever setting your eyes like no matter what I use or others
post #11392 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Don't feel intimidated! Lol! Post them.. I promise I won't tease you if you have dynamic biggrin.gif

Ha, nice way to fit Dynamic in there! Points to Anthony!

Thanks for sharing your preferred settings, Arenaman!
post #11393 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

++1

I agree.. The quality now is "like" blu ray! You have an 8000 though right? Yes, I agree, there is room for improvement. Especially with the motion handling and stutter. I didn't know they didn't make a 60" in the UK. That sucks man..

I definitely saw this too but to me it was fixing a problem I've had with the previous update. For a while I thought it was just DirecTV and compression artifacts, but it happened right after the Oct update. This update totally fixed it and it looks amazing. I'm not sure what was going on but between that and some other things, this update is a keeper.

Anthony, nice find on Nitra's reset post. You have a good memory and must have spent a decent amount of time finding that. Doing a reset definitely changed a few things with my settings to get back to where I was, so I need to decide to either do one every time, or never do one again. smile.gif I'm honestly not sure what to do.
post #11394 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I definitely saw this too but to me it was fixing a problem I've had with the previous update. For a while I thought it was just DirecTV and compression artifacts, but it happened right after the Oct update. This update totally fixed it and it looks amazing. I'm not sure what was going on but between that and some other things, this update is a keeper.

Anthony, nice find on Nitra's reset post. You have a good memory and must have spent a decent amount of time finding that. Doing a reset definitely changed a few things with my settings to get back to where I was, so I need to decide to either do one every time, or never do one again. smile.gif I'm honestly not sure what to do.

Haha! Na, it was quite easy to find thanks to the "search" thread option here. I just entered "full reset" and all the posts came up from around October when Nitra suggested it. At that time, I didn't listen though, but after reading all the positives comments in the AVforum from the UK that this update will improve a lot, then my update looked like it didn't do anything, so I remembered what Nitra said and did the dreadful reset. It wasn't hard actually, and was able to tweak my settings really fast since the defaults are pretty close.
post #11395 of 16129
I am going to get a UN60ES7500 or 8000 tomorrow. I am not that concearned about the price difference. Is the 8000 that much better? given the same source (BB display) they seem to have the same picture quality.
post #11396 of 16129
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Originally Posted by stefuel View Post

I am going to get a UN60ES7500 or 8000 tomorrow. I am not that concearned about the price difference. Is the 8000 that much better? given the same source (BB display) they seem to have the same picture quality.

From all the 8000 owners that had recently updated their sets to the new FW, and saw a big difference, iI would say now that there is most definitely. If you asked me this a couple months ago, or even 2 weeks ago, I would say NO. There seems to be a difference in black levels. Where most 8000 owners say they have no more flash-lighting, and most 7500 say they still see some.

I was going to buy the 7500 to save some money rather then buy another 60" 8000, but from what the 7500 owners here are saying, I think I'm going with another 8000
post #11397 of 16129
Anthony, Garnoch and all; this thread has really kicked into gear as of late from FW, audio and apps to hardcore sharing of settings....awesome!!! I have been crazy busy but I did load my router n wireless password to the 8000. Smarthub wanted to update but I refused since my bd-e6500 has been and is cooking! I will run the update nut won't have time to tweak until midweek so Superbowl will have to be watched in "dynamic" for now biggrin.gif jk... Can't wait for the game on this tv. Hockey has been so amazing. All of you have been incredible in your input and pictures....thanks for all of it. I actually trolled over to the vt50 thread for a while. Nothing surprising. Q...is dithering that "noise" effect it what...I still don't know exactly what it is.
post #11398 of 16129
I wasn't going to post this yet, as It's no where near finished since we had to put it off so I can travel to the East Coast for a while, But this is the start of my theater room in my Apartment on the West Coast. I took this while we were doing the renovating. Im planning on putting my new 60" ES8000 or 75" F8000 behind the screen. haven't decided yet though. also plan on getting an SVS sub, or Epik. not sure yet

post #11399 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Anthony, Garnoch and all; this thread has really kicked into gear as of late from FW, audio and apps to hardcore sharing of settings....awesome!!! I have been crazy busy but I did load my router n wireless password to the 8000. Smarthub wanted to update but I refused since my bd-e6500 has been and is cooking! I will run the update nut won't have time to tweak until midweek so Superbowl will have to be watched in "dynamic" for now biggrin.gif jk... Can't wait for the game on this tv. Hockey has been so amazing. All of you have been incredible in your input and pictures....thanks for all of it. I actually trolled over to the vt50 thread for a while. Nothing surprising. Q...is dithering that "noise" effect it what...I still don't know exactly what it is.

Haha! Did you see Bolt over there? Haven't seen him here in a while now. Wonder what happened? Did the cherry fall out of his perfect hand picked 65"? Haha! j.K Bolt
post #11400 of 16129
What a day.

The Short Version - The V is gone.

The Long Version - Samsung showed up. I don't know which service center they came from, white van like the usual utility company van with Samsung logo on it. The tech was a pretty nice guy. He knew, out of hte gate, that this was still a set I coul return so I think he was motivated to help me out. His looked at the flashlighting and said, yeah it was too much. Fidled with a few settings, dropping backlight and brightness made a diffference, but then i darkened the room and it was still there. He wanted to update the firmware but a reasonable chat and the earlier offer of a beer had him agreeing with my request to do that last. He went into the "service menu" (I think that is what he said) and looked around but didn't change anything. At this point he thought that was as good as it would get and wanted to do the firmware. I asked him about the whole theory on the panel being pressed together too hard at that point and he said he hadn't heard of it. FORTUNATELY for me, I had talked him into having a beer at this point and he said he would call a buddy of his who has seen more of these panels. They talked for a while and he came back and said there was something he could try, even though he wasn't "supposed" to do it. He took the frame off the TV and the back and he looseend what he called the chassis bolt and put it all back together. That was the charm 90% reduction in the V. Then he set the firmware to updating, which I do think made a further difference, but not as much as the loosening. As he left I thought it was really interesting that he THANKED me for being a down to earth real person because "you wouldn't believe the douchebags that act like millionaires because they own this TV". Most of the time when he shows up to a call people are pissed at him even though he never did anything to them. He also said it was amazing how much Samsung leaves in the hands of hte techs to make the call on what is OK and what isn't he was basically laughing at the "douchebags" because it is no skin off his nose to leave them high and dry for treating him like dirt.

My TV is looking good and now I just have to figure out if it is worth making it better with some settings.
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