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post #11401 of 16125
I did not see the Bolt. So bro...what exactly is dithering?
post #11402 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

What a day.

The Short Version - The V is gone.

The Long Version - Samsung showed up. I don't know which service center they came from, white van like the usual utility company van with Samsung logo on it. The tech was a pretty nice guy. He knew, out of hte gate, that this was still a set I coul return so I think he was motivated to help me out. His looked at the flashlighting and said, yeah it was too much. Fidled with a few settings, dropping backlight and brightness made a diffference, but then i darkened the room and it was still there. He wanted to update the firmware but a reasonable chat and the earlier offer of a beer had him agreeing with my request to do that last. He went into the "service menu" (I think that is what he said) and looked around but didn't change anything. At this point he thought that was as good as it would get and wanted to do the firmware. I asked him about the whole theory on the panel being pressed together too hard at that point and he said he hadn't heard of it. FORTUNATELY for me, I had talked him into having a beer at this point and he said he would call a buddy of his who has seen more of these panels. They talked for a while and he came back and said there was something he could try, even though he wasn't "supposed" to do it. He took the frame off the TV and the back and he looseend what he called the chassis bolt and put it all back together. That was the charm 90% reduction in the V. Then he set the firmware to updating, which I do think made a further difference, but not as much as the loosening. As he left I thought it was really interesting that he THANKED me for being a down to earth real person because "you wouldn't believe the douchebags that act like millionaires because they own this TV". Most of the time when he shows up to a call people are pissed at him even though he never did anything to them. He also said it was amazing how much Samsung leaves in the hands of hte techs to make the call on what is OK and what isn't he was basically laughing at the "douchebags" because it is no skin off his nose to leave them high and dry for treating him like dirt.

My TV is looking good and now I just have to figure out if it is worth making it better with some settings.

Great story, Nick! Thanks for the update and congrats. I'm really impressed with how quick it all happened too.
post #11403 of 16125
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Originally Posted by stefuel View Post

I am going to get a UN60ES7500 or 8000 tomorrow. I am not that concearned about the price difference. Is the 8000 that much better? given the same source (BB display) they seem to have the same picture quality.

I differ with Anthony on this. Except CE Dimming (screen dimming during dark scenes) being possibly less noticeable on the 8000 (which is a good thing), I would be surprised if there are any other differences. I see quite an improvement on my 7500 with this update as well. That being said though, the price difference is so slight, I'd go with the 8000 unless, like me, you want a black bezel and swivel stand.
post #11404 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Anthony, Garnoch and all; this thread has really kicked into gear as of late from FW, audio and apps to hardcore sharing of settings....awesome!!! I have been crazy busy but I did load my router n wireless password to the 8000. Smarthub wanted to update but I refused since my bd-e6500 has been and is cooking! I will run the update nut won't have time to tweak until midweek so Superbowl will have to be watched in "dynamic" for now biggrin.gif jk... Can't wait for the game on this tv. Hockey has been so amazing. All of you have been incredible in your input and pictures....thanks for all of it. I actually trolled over to the vt50 thread for a while. Nothing surprising. Q...is dithering that "noise" effect it what...I still don't know exactly what it is.

Are you back in the game then, Blade? Yep, I think more than ever if you connected your TV to the network haha. Can't believe your updating, let alone right before the big game. I'm impressed an sad all at the same time. smile.gif And yeah, hockey looks insane. So I guess dithering needs to be used in plasma displays because of its gray level limitations. On your TV, turn Sharpness up and you'll get an idea of it's looks. See these pics......



post #11405 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I wasn't going to post this yet, as It's no where near finished since we had to put it off so I can travel to the East Coast for a while, But this is the start of my theater room in my Apartment on the West Coast. I took this while we were doing the renovating. Im planning on putting my new 60" ES8000 or 75" F8000 behind the screen. haven't decided yet though. also plan on getting an SVS sub, or Epik. not sure yet


Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #11406 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I've played a little with both native pass-through and having the box scale to 1080p. Watched and (recorded) some HD sports in 720p, and some TNT reruns in 1080i, and compared the results through both native and scaled. Sometimes I think I see a difference, and other times not. Being able to watch the same material right after one another has made it a bit easier to compare. Frankly, at this point, I am not sure I see any real differences to speak of. I am going to keep playing around with it over the next few days, but early returns seem to indicate that the comcast / motorola box and the TV are pretty darn comparable when scaling broadcast content. I was hoping for more of a clear difference, and maybe it will present itself at some point, but not just yet.

Reminds me of back in the day when I got sucked in (quite happily!) to the early Oppo DV971H standard DVD player when 1080p panels were pretty rare -- the scaling capabilities of the Oppo provided a dramatic difference in image quality for standard DVDs when fed to your 720p or 1080i set - a real, demonstrable, positive difference between the typical scalers in most players and most TVs. Maybe the more commodity scalers available in typical STBs and TVs have raised their game significantly and are more bunched together in terms of performance until you step up to some of the higher end scalers available in some video components and AVRs.

Both my girlfriend and I agreed we just don't like the native setting - it's just not worth it to us. We were plenty happy enough with 720p and we really can't see any difference with native, and then add to that the annoying delay when switching channels with different broadcast standards. Also on top of that we noticed that some weird stations (which sometimes air cool 70's/ 80's shows) broadcast their aspect ratios wrong - and having it set to native just pushes it through, whereas setting my FiOS box to output forced 720p or 1080i will format it correctly by adding the black bars as required. It all adds up to just switching native off on the FiOS box.
post #11407 of 16125
Anthony - really nice! Ok, where's the skinny on your projector setup? From my untrained eye, that looks like a 16 x 9 screen. No 2.35 or 2.40 to 1 Cinemascope?
post #11408 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

Yeah, I'd read that and read a bunch of stuff when I was trying to better understand what MD was actually doing. I've come to believe that MD is a sort of "fixed formula" of dynamic image changes across the zones. DC and BE may be more "user configurable" aspects of the formula, but it's not clear if MD is doing more or is entirely a combination of software adjustments that are also enabled, wholly or partly, through manual settings of DC and BE. So I think if you're using Standard Mode, you're getting the (partial) equivalent of image modification that might happen by playing with DC and BE even when those features are off; and when you're in Movie Mode, you might get a (partial) equivalent of MD through the use of DC and BE. From a purist standpoint, that might indicate a preference to Movie Mode for accuracy within the panel's capabilities. I'm not a purist though - I just want what is most visually pleasing for me, and though I occassionally switch over to Movie Mode for awhile, I find myself gravitating back to Standard without being able to pinpoint exactly why.

I think the same way about it, and I find I'm most happy with the image in standard mode overall. I just can't get movie mode to look as good as standard. I will say that I believe the color in movie mode may be more accurate, but overall I'm quite happy with the color I've got dialed in for standard now, and the black levels are just plain better in standard for me, regardless of any dynamic contrast or black tone/black enhancer settings.
post #11409 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Bladrunner1959 - I'm not married but I might as well be. That was the only way I was able to purchase the beastly Studio CC690 center channel which was "off budget," "off balance sheet," and not, technically, an "approved purchase acquisition" going through normal channels (pun intended!)

This was one of those "ask for forgiveness" as opposed to "ask for permission" situations. I'm allowed one a year as long as it's within reasonable guidelines.

Suggestions to obtain purchase authorization for upgrading HT equipment and projects:

1. But honey, this is so we can spend quality time together.

2. Don't you want to see your movies in their best light?

3. This will make our place more attractive to other guests so we can entertain here and we don't have to leave home and I won't get a DUI - - thus spending two and three times OVER what it would cost to do the upgrade to our Home Theater.

4. It will increase the value of our home....

5. I just can't live with myself if I can't provide you with the very best !!!

smile.gifcool.giftongue.gif

Funny stuff! I'll have to remember a few of those! tongue.gif
post #11410 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I wasn't going to post this yet, as It's no where near finished since we had to put it off so I can travel to the East Coast for a while, But this is the start of my theater room in my Apartment on the West Coast. I took this while we were doing the renovating. Im planning on putting my new 60" ES8000 or 75" F8000 behind the screen. haven't decided yet though. also plan on getting an SVS sub, or Epik. not sure yet


Beautiful, man! Very nice. I absolutely love the lighting.
post #11411 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nick-t View Post

What a day.

The Short Version - The V is gone.

The Long Version - Samsung showed up. I don't know which service center they came from, white van like the usual utility company van with Samsung logo on it. The tech was a pretty nice guy. He knew, out of hte gate, that this was still a set I coul return so I think he was motivated to help me out. His looked at the flashlighting and said, yeah it was too much. Fidled with a few settings, dropping backlight and brightness made a diffference, but then i darkened the room and it was still there. He wanted to update the firmware but a reasonable chat and the earlier offer of a beer had him agreeing with my request to do that last. He went into the "service menu" (I think that is what he said) and looked around but didn't change anything. At this point he thought that was as good as it would get and wanted to do the firmware. I asked him about the whole theory on the panel being pressed together too hard at that point and he said he hadn't heard of it. FORTUNATELY for me, I had talked him into having a beer at this point and he said he would call a buddy of his who has seen more of these panels. They talked for a while and he came back and said there was something he could try, even though he wasn't "supposed" to do it. He took the frame off the TV and the back and he looseend what he called the chassis bolt and put it all back together. That was the charm 90% reduction in the V. Then he set the firmware to updating, which I do think made a further difference, but not as much as the loosening. As he left I thought it was really interesting that he THANKED me for being a down to earth real person because "you wouldn't believe the douchebags that act like millionaires because they own this TV". Most of the time when he shows up to a call people are pissed at him even though he never did anything to them. He also said it was amazing how much Samsung leaves in the hands of hte techs to make the call on what is OK and what isn't he was basically laughing at the "douchebags" because it is no skin off his nose to leave them high and dry for treating him like dirt.

My TV is looking good and now I just have to figure out if it is worth making it better with some settings.

Very nice to hear, and thanks for sharing your experience with us. I had a feeling all along that a tech could just loosen up the stress and that would improve things dramatically. Also nice to know how much Samsung leaves it to the techs to decide what's best to do. Makes me wonder what I did wrong with the tech that came to see my set with the "V", because he was less than useless, and I was nothing but friendly - we even talked about him having the same picture on his wall as I have on mine. But he left me high and dry with no help and just wrote it off as normal and acceptable.
post #11412 of 16125
Prsut, I just wanted to personally thank you for finding and sharing the CE-Dimming workaround and sharing it with all of us. CE Dimming was killing me, and it seemed hopeless to find a solution until you came along. I use the workaround and I can't imagine ever not using it now that I know about it. Thanks a ton!
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post #11414 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

No problem! The Colormunki looks promising, but it would bug me not being able to set the 10p white balance. Now I'm back to looking at the Spyder4Elite. I wouldn't have to buy any other software right away and it will work on my Mac. I'd really like to have the i1Display3, but that is going to require that I buy software right away. I'm so close to pulling the trigger it's not even funny. It's getting close to beer thirty, so I should probably make this decision with a clear mind. I can't tell you how many times I've woken up only to find through emails what I had ordered the night before.

-If you want to buy retail meter, then you should check, if particular SW supports Rec.709 color Gamut. This is normative, how blu ray's are mastered.
-If particular SW enables you to measure lumince levels with x,y coordinates, then you can calibrate 10pt balance, but you must calculate luminance levels from 100% white. x,y coordinates for D650 target point are constants (0.313, 0.329)
-not all retail SW are targeted to LED tv calibration, but rather to digital photography
-you may look at "fork of hcfr started" or so in display calibration here on AVS which meter is supported by HCFR. With hcfr you can measure anything you want...
Edited by prsut - 2/3/13 at 1:18am
post #11415 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

I was already looking at the spyder4elite on amazon after Jestered's post and it appears to have good reviews. The guy on the comments even gave it the advantage compared to the i1Display Pro. I also started reading the " GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES using HCFR" earlier just to see if I will need anything besides the color meter.

At the end of the HCFR tutorial, the author suggested going for the i1Display due to its consistent accuracy.


By the way, your calibration looks spot on. Even better than the reviewers at cnet. On your graph however on page 6 "Gamma", with gamma < 2.2 at 10%-20% does it mean that your black will look a little bit washed out? I'm not sure if I got the tutorial right. Are you using the CE dimming trick here?

-ce dimming tweak is not applicable here - it is report for film mode.
-it was calibrated with i1 display LT and this meter is not very precise at levels below 30%. So I set black level using AVS HD disk using Black Clipping patter. Using meter at low black levels, chromapure forces me set levels so low, then blacks are crushed. Thats why I ordered i1 D3.
post #11416 of 16125
Garnoch, eagle_2 and others > thank you. I"m glad ce dimming tweak helped...
post #11417 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I wasn't going to post this yet, as It's no where near finished since we had to put it off so I can travel to the East Coast for a while, But this is the start of my theater room in my Apartment on the West Coast. I took this while we were doing the renovating. Im planning on putting my new 60" ES8000 or 75" F8000 behind the screen. haven't decided yet though. also plan on getting an SVS sub, or Epik. not sure yet

hey Anthony
That looks really nice. Presently I am looking at 5.1 speakers for my 55ES8000. Yours look like flat speakers and that would fit in very well with my wall mounted panel.
What speakers have you got? How is the sound you got?

take care
post #11418 of 16125
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

Garnoch, eagle_2 and others > thank you. I"m glad ce dimming tweak helped...

You have no idea and it's so much appreciated - it's the biggest and best trick introduced in the thread as far as I'm concerned.
post #11419 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

You have no idea and it's so much appreciated - it's the biggest and best trick introduced in the thread as far as I'm concerned.

Is it still needed after this latest update? I'm consisting the full reset which I really hate to do. Just want to make sure I get the right stuff applied.
post #11420 of 16125
Does the ES8000 series have a QAM tuner? I ask as I have what my system provider "Cablevision" calls there lowest tier "broadcast basic" where you get the local channels & don't need to rent a cable box if the TV set has a QAM tuner.
post #11421 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks man.. Im embarrassed and didn't want to post this yet, as that screen is going when a relative of mine gives me his Projector whenever he gets the chance to buy himself a new one.

Here's a few pics of one of my Man Caves.







This is an awesome massage chair for anyone's theater room. Highly recommend one.

AppleMark
post #11422 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Stevies3 View Post

Does the ES8000 series have a QAM tuner? I ask as I have what my system provider "Cablevision" calls there lowest tier "broadcast basic" where you get the local channels & don't need to rent a cable box if the TV set has a QAM tuner.
Yes it does have a QAM tuner. It also has a built in guide function, although I haven't used it.

See here for more info: http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopup.do?howto_guide_seq=5411&prd_ia_cd=N0000058&map_seq=84611#
post #11423 of 16125
This is my 60" setup.. nothing special smile.gif

post #11424 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I wasn't going to post this yet, as It's no where near finished since we had to put it off so I can travel to the East Coast for a while, But this is the start of my theater room in my Apartment on the West Coast. I took this while we were doing the renovating. Im planning on putting my new 60" ES8000 or 75" F8000 behind the screen. haven't decided yet though. also plan on getting an SVS sub, or Epik. not sure yet

..Anthony, that is a sweeetAzz setup you coast to coast jet settin av enthusiast...impressive.

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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Haha! Did you see Bolt over there? Haven't seen him here in a while now. Wonder what happened? Did the cherry fall out of his perfect hand picked 65"? Haha! j.K Bolt
...yea, funnyb trolling there, no signs of Mr. SamsungLover there, but I didnt stay too long. Funny stuff; ya know I think tha VT50 is a great tv...just NOT great enough to plunk my cash on it ...dithering...that is what makes me insane and maybe the biggest factor that prevents plasma from having that crystal clear window to the world that my 8000 has, or the Elite, or the Sony.

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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Are you back in the game then, Blade? Yep, I think more than ever if you connected your TV to the network haha. Can't believe your updating, let alone right before the big game. I'm impressed an sad all at the same time. smile.gif And yeah, hockey looks insane. So I guess dithering needs to be used in plasma displays because of its gray level limitations. On your TV, turn Sharpness up and you'll get an idea of it's looks. See these pics......



...oh yea, like i said above my friend...AND, i noticed that in the VT thread some think that dithering dimishes over time. I disagree and think that it may get worse in some units. My brother inlaw has a 2yr old panny flagship plasma that dithered my eyeballs out of my head!!! I always thought his set was great compared to y 2005 Sony rpLCD 60" cuz it was so bright (and that is understandable) but NOW...his plasma was a dithering old dim bulb compared to 8000. Boom!

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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Go on then get them posted, my settings make the calibrators vomit too but I love them biggrin.gif
...I'm wit you but everyone whoever paid attention to my insanity knows that I rebelled against ISF, pro-calibration and what the director intended. I think these new screen have a different standard and ...like we say here...what matters is what we like!!!

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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Bladrunner1959 - I'm not married but I might as well be. That was the only way I was able to purchase the beastly Studio CC690 center channel which was "off budget," "off balance sheet," and not, technically, an "approved purchase acquisition" going through normal channels (pun intended!)

This was one of those "ask for forgiveness" as opposed to "ask for permission" situations. I'm allowed one a year as long as it's within reasonable guidelines.

Suggestions to obtain purchase authorization for upgrading HT equipment and projects:

1. But honey, this is so we can spend quality time together.

2. Don't you want to see your movies in their best light?

3. This will make our place more attractive to other guests so we can entertain here and we don't have to leave home and I won't get a DUI - - thus spending two and three times OVER what it would cost to do the upgrade to our Home Theater.

4. It will increase the value of our home....

5. I just can't live with myself if I can't provide you with the very best !!!

smile.gifcool.giftongue.gif
....Rico, that is truly literary genious you stud...just for that i'll lend you my wife, and my mistress and her girlfriend!!! LOL....yup, #5 is the flag i'll have to hide under!!! Love it!

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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Both my girlfriend and I agreed we just don't like the native setting - it's just not worth it to us. We were plenty happy enough with 720p and we really can't see any difference with native, and then add to that the annoying delay when switching channels with different broadcast standards. Also on top of that we noticed that some weird stations (which sometimes air cool 70's/ 80's shows) broadcast their aspect ratios wrong - and having it set to native just pushes it through, whereas setting my FiOS box to output forced 720p or 1080i will format it correctly by adding the black bars as required. It all adds up to just switching native off on the FiOS box.
....Eagle2, I have my FIOS on 1080i and love it. Its sharp, smooth, no lag in channel changes and definately a better pic than 720p...I tested with Fox NFL and some movies. In my non-professional opthomalogic cataract laden eyes opinion...1080i is the way to go on FIOS with this tv. I have nt turned off the box and looked for a native or direct source selection yet but i will next week and tell ya if i see it any other way...

Regarding the new FW 1046.2; I am definately going to run that update. It sounds like a winner and I have confidence in the members here that have posted detailed results. Normally I would have waited for more input but...I know a new update could potentially obscure and diminish the latest FW benefits so I think i'll run the update after the Super Bowl, reset in all modes for all inputs and then do the full system reset. I wont have time to play and tweak until tomorrow night anyway . I guess from what you all say.; either tweak from default or plug in my old preferred settings and tweak from there? Not clear on the collective opinion of that.

For tonight, cant wait to see the Super Bowl on this beast and I love the current picture so mush that I think i'll be fine. Yes, anything FW where members say that it can possibly reduce flashlighting, improve color, make letterbox bars even darker and improve viewing is a major win.
post #11425 of 16125
All you guys have such great gear!! Killin me. I need to ebay my wife and kids and get more gear RTFN! biggrin.gif
post #11426 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Is it still needed after this latest update? I'm consisting the full reset which I really hate to do. Just want to make sure I get the right stuff applied.

I was about to say it is still needed after a reset, at least on the 7500, which definitely may make a big difference in this regard, but to be honest, although I tried it after the update, I did not try it after the reset. I will do that and get back to you.
post #11427 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Is it still needed after this latest update? I'm consisting the full reset which I really hate to do. Just want to make sure I get the right stuff applied.

OpsGuy, FW and fava beans...GREAT STUFF! Did you say you ran the fw update yet? If so, what did you see ?
post #11428 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Thanks man.. Im embarrassed and didn't want to post this yet, as that screen is going when a relative of mine gives me his Projector whenever he gets the chance to buy himself a new one.

Here's a few pics of one of my Man Caves.







This is an awesome massage chair for anyone's theater room. Highly recommend one.

AppleMark

Now that's a man cave! I could see drinking a lot of beer down there and playing some poker, love it!
post #11429 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

All you guys have such great gear!! Killin me. I need to ebay my wife and kids and get more gear RTFN! biggrin.gif

AHAHAHA, I'm right there with you, stop giving me ideas!
post #11430 of 16125
Anybody know why my ES8000 60” has twice this morning done a self diagnosis? A window pops up saying it will begin when I press ok, then after a minute it says complete and to push ok and it will turn off and on. Doesn't change picture setting or anything after turning back on, but its annoying.
It's happened twice in an hour, but never before that. Last night I did a full reset if that would make any difference. I have Directv, Sammy 3d bluray, and Xbox hooked up, nothing recent. 1046.2 firmware. Just wondering if anyone ever had this happen...?
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