Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 41

I want to pick one of these bad boys up .. is it an ok idea to go with a 3rd party dealer outside of Amazon or should I go with direct through Amazon?

I want to make sure the order is processed quick, and the reason I'm buying from here is since I have a large amount of gift cards built up..

Well Eagle you are certainly in your right to be happy with the TV you spend your money on, sadly in this mass produced world there will be flaws in everything we buy. The Panasonic VT50 (and the GT50 which I own) get remarkable reviews and ratings yet flaws are found on these from people right here on AVS. I'm responding to your post here not because of your issues with the TV's you've had but about the part where you spent more money on the upgraded set. I used to work retail, in fact I sold TV's for 11 years so I have plenty of experience with profit margins. I have to tell you that while your logic seems, well, "logical", unfortunately it's not. Just because you're returning a cheaper set and spending more money on the upgraded one doesn't mean you're helping the store, in fact, along with creating a demo you may be actually hurting them by buying the higher priced set. I can tell you first hand that while Sony was the most expensive TV we sold it was also one of the lowest in profit margins for us and we hated selling Sony just because of this.

As a buyer I was the first in line to buy our top of the line Sony, as a salesman I was conveniently going to lunch when a customer wanted to buy one. Please don't condemn me, that's the life of commissioned sales as we got paid based on the profit margin of the products. Don't think for one minute that because you're returning the cheaper TV in favor of a more expensive one that you aren't causing the store grief, especially if the one you are exchanging your old set for has a much lower profit margin.
A $1000 TV can have a 100% markup while the $2500 TV could only have a 20% markup henceforth the store taking the loss taking back the profitable TV and selling the less profitable upgrade. Just some food for thought. Same store sales are about profits made, not accumulated volume.

Be sure to check and give us a review on the Samsung's 3D especially any crosstalk in certain scenes of titles like Hugo that have been reported by some reviewers with many 3D sets.

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I'll chime in here , tested the D8000 and the D7000, crosstalk was noticed occasion, however, the ES8000 was hardly noticeable, Samsung is doing something right with this years models.

I will say, the included glasses with the ES are not good for someone wearing glasses, I ended up pairing my D series glasses, they worked flawlessly.

I would rate the D7000/8000 as equal in terms of 3D and crosstalk a solid 8/10.
I've watched 4 3D titles on the ES, I can easily move that rating to a 9.5/10.
It's hard to describe, but the motion is much smoother and much more sharp.

Coming from someone who ended up returning three different 65D8000's, I'm glad to hear you found a Samsung with minimal to no issues. Love to see some pics of your set if you get a chance.

Sounds like my experience.
My second set (from Amazon) was perfect.
First set had a bunch of clouding issues.
Very glad I went ahead with the return.

All my gear is in Toronto, won't have it back for a bit.

Nitra,

Hello. :-) I was just wondering if you heard of anyone who has noticed any PQ difference between the 8000 and 7500? I'm noticing my audio controls rarely if ever work. Although the voice mode seems to activate itself occasionally. It's a real bummer for those of us who feel they paid some extra money for those features. I'm sure they will work it out in firmware updates.

Also, why am I noticing bad clouding in movie mode and it disappears in out of the box standard mode? Why do I also notice that the blacks seem to be better in standard mode over movie mode? The blacks seem to be better with dynamic contrast working. This really crushes the blacks as you pointed out earlier. Why do the blacks vary from mode to mode? Obviously it's processing something somehow in standard. Thanks in advance.
Edited by HenDokuYaku - 6/23/12 at 12:32am

Is there a way to turn the microdimming off on these sets?

No.

As for the Audio Controls, I have them disabled, they work, but I can't get the IR blaster working correctly yet with my cable company, try and set the keyword to SMART TV, it helps. The PQ is better on the 8000, darker blacks, deeper colors etc. Side note, the Audio Controls/Visual Controls are available on the 7500/8000.

As for the clouding, most of this is your eyes playing tricks on you, it's actually there in both modes, but in STD it's a less noticeable because the colors are amplified etc etc etc.
This isn't something new to this years models, it's been noticed all the way back to the A series, my suggestion as has been for a long time, use the ECO sensor, it really makes a difference in keeping the backlight correct, I can safely run with a backlight of 13, and set the ECO to bottom out at 4, and it keeps my set well lit.

Ok thanks

Thanks, Nitra. I'm going to return this panel and get an es8000 as per your information. One more question. Are my eyes deceiving me or are the blacks in standard mode darker? If so, why not just calibrate the standard mode if not doing 10pt?

Gas0line, Thanks for that information. I'm going to use it and upgrade. You're right, even the 7500 blows me away

Standard mode looks so much better than movie to me, much better blacks

on the 3d glasses that came with this tv, there blue and red stickers on it, am i suppose to remove it? The directions doesn't said much, i don't want to ruin the glasses

Yes, peel the stickers off

I agree! Any idea why that is and why everyone suggests using movie mode?

Could that be due to the reported darkening or shutting off of the LED backlights when a full (or near full) screen black image is displayed in modes other than movie mode (like standard mode)?
How about comparing the blacks with a typical widescreen movie with top and bottom black bars, but the main image not mostly black?
Do the top and bottom letterbox bars show any flashlighting effects when viewed in a dark environment?

No idea, most owners on AV forums prefer Standard mode, I've tried Nitra's settings and (with all due respect) they seem washed out and have a yellow tinge. I'm running Standard with backlight 8, Contrast 90, Brightness 47, sharpness 30, colour 47, Colour tone standard with everything else off and it looks fantastic

Here's a couple of photos of my picture

Actually that's a bit of mis-information, the goal of proper calibration is to bring the set to industry standard 6500K as a base color temperature. It doesn't matter what mode the TV is in, the end result will be the same no matter what the mode. The reason everyone says to start in movie mode is, when you calibrate the sets professionally, there's an option in the service menu that enables "Cal-Day" and "Cal-Night", these give you 2 more settings when you choose modes for your TV, they are a mirror of movie. Hence the reason the sets are said to calibrate in movie mode.
If you were to do it in Standard mode, the settings would be off as the base line is different.

If properly calibrated, the end result no matter the mode is 6500K, meaning, if you see issues in Movie mode with calibration, you will see them in standard.
Hopefully this dispels any myths.
Dynamic and Standard also have options disabled, movie mode will net you the closest reproduction of 6500k.

But does the auto-darkening (dimming or turning off LED backlights) with an all or mostly black image happen only in certain modes?
I heard that it doesn't do that (the feature is disabled) in Movie mode, but the feature is enabled in Standard and other modes?
Can this be confirmed?

I've been wondering why I haven't seen the screen turning off during black screens on my ES7500 - the E8000 plasma was doing that and it was driving me nuts. You just gave me the answer - I'm in movie mode, so that function is disabled. I didn't know that, and I couldn't figure out why it wasn't happening since I figured it would behave like that from my experience with their plasmas. Funny thing is it's not disabled in movie mode on their plasmas. I'm so glad it's disabled in movie mode on the ES7500 - that effect with the screen turning off is very distracting, and I've been so happy to see the ES7500 not doing that. Now I know why.

I started with CNET's D8000 settings and then used the AVS disc and tweaked it a bit from there, with the backlight on 8 and using warm 1 instead of warm 2 (warm 2 looks a bit too yellowish for me). It looks pretty fantastic to me as I have it set up now. The screen turning off when displaying an all black screen in any mode but movie is reason enough for me to avoid any mode but movie. I also found Nitra's settings a bit too washed out for my tastes. I have the color dialed down because I tend to like the colors more natural and not overly saturated. I think the way I have it now looks very natural - faces look very accurate, not overly warm but not cool either.
Edited by eagle_2 - 6/23/12 at 6:34pm

This may have been the case on the D8000 which had additional hardware that allowed the pixels to be turned off, that's not the case on this year’s models.
Turning off the LED's created its own issues, they are much worse than any of the issues mentioned this year.

I can wholly confirm this absolutely doesn't work with the ES TV’s.
I can't fully confirm it's operation on last years model, but I'd assume from the tech docs this was the case. It was removed because of the halo issues and more.

I'd love to hear this actually confirmed, as I hate that "feature". I haven't seen it happen once, not even a single time, since I got my ES7500 last week, and I've been using movie mode the entire time. I thought this model just didn't do that fortunately, until just now when I read here that this happens in the other modes. Can we get a confirmation?