Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 407

I have the 65" and play BF3 and some occassional Blops 2 with no lag issues using a PS3 and the ES in game mode. No process is turned on at all. I too prefer natural and BL of 12.

Stay tuned for version 2 of my movie mode settings. I have taken some of the feedback from users who have tried my settings and my own observations and am nearly there on making some significant improvements to picture quality in movie mode.

Key areas I am improving from my current set of settings:
1 - Blacks can appear washed out and grayish
2 - Some loss of detail in very dark scenes
3 - Color accuracy across 0%-100% saturation at 75% luminance is not ideal, even though 100% luminance tracks perfectly (clipping?)

To solve the above problems I am recalibrating for the following changes:
1 - Rebasing calibration at a darker white level. The current 100% white is 50ftl, my new target will be 40ftl. I'm trying very hard to not sacrifice overall contrast, my target is for contrast of at least 1900:1
2 - Calibrating grayscale at bt1886 gamma, which should add detail in the darkest scenes without compromising too much the range of black to white
3 - Redoing my CMS settings. There will be some loss of accuracy at the 100% luminance level, but most content is nearer 75% luminance so getting that area as correct as possible should be main focus. This is where I am currently stuck and is quite a balancing act. My target is dE of 4 or below across all saturations at both 75% luminance and 100% luminance.

Bonus improvements:
I have been reading some of the discussions around calibrating plasma displays, which vary light output based on the average brightness level of the scene. Sound familiar? Once I get my version 2 settings on lockdown, I am going to use some of the methods the plasma calibrator guys are using to try and dial in a movie mode calibration with features like dynamic contrast, black level, and black enhancer turned on. If I'm successful at doing this then I will try and tackle Standard mode afterwards.

Sweet dealio... You rock!

Your dedication to this is unparalleled. Thanks for all the hard work.

Excellent, I've used you current settings and look forward to the update!

Ha, thanks. I gotta get my $170 worth on that Colormunki

+1, much appreciated!

Nice! I look forward to see what you come up with.

Even though I said I wasn't going to, I was at it again last night. I got my blacks looking fantastic and my CMS is as good as it's been, but I still have a lot of red push. Not in the picture, but in the CMS it's really hard to get red at the correct luminance without really jacking up red in red for CMS. This causes my blue to not be spot on, but everything else is. I was able to get it much better by using "Color" setting (not in the CMS) to set red, then I used the CMS to set everything else. I'm really happy with it, but I'm thinking of dropping from Warm2 to Warm1 and then recalibrating. I'm hoping that will ease up on the red push in CMS and allow me to get everything exactly where it should be (especially blue). My contrast ratio is sitting at about 2,600:1 right now, but I'm also going to try to get that above3,000:1 again. My current picture looks a little too dark, so I should be able to add contrast without backlight and hopefully get there.

Please be kind if anything was already discussed, which I'm sure it has. 1st off, I just bought Sony's Flagship 55"HX950 last Wed. 1st impressions were not what I expected after just spending $3500 (tax included) on a High-End Set. I've had it up and running since Friday and although blu-ray movies look amazing, regular content (Directv) looks like crap. I've always had and loved Samsung Sets and I currently have a Samsung 46"D630 in our bedroom that absolutely blows the 950 out of the water in PQ over Directv Content. No joke! I love the Full-Array, Local-Dimming on the 950, amazing blacks but motion resolution is kind of "bleh"(noticing a bit of judder on certain channels with Smooth/Standard) and PQ is about the same unless watching Blu-Ray. Keep in mind, I'm not bashing the 950 but the meat of this tv is only noticed when watching blu-ray movies. I'm very interested in 55ES8000 but I don't want to go through the hassel of returning without being certain. I know CNET gave the ES8000 a somewhat bad review but I know it was before the Update.

1. I'm sure if I bought the ES8000 it would not have the new FW Update, correct?
2. After the update, how is Screen Uniformity? I can't stand issues like flashlighting and blotchiness, hence spending $3k on Sony's Full-Array set. I don't mind banding so long as it's minimal.
3. How are the blacks on this set after FW Update?
4. I'm in the minority but I love the smoothing effects of the AMP being on either Standard or Smooth. Does this tv judder/stutter when Standard or Smooth are activated? Big deal-breaker for me.
5. How is the 3-D on this set?
6. Is Cable/Sat content good on this set? Any background noise/snow? Getting a lot of this on the 950.

Thank you in advance.

1 - Depends on when it was manufactured. ES8000 was wired and wireless internet, and usb port though so updating is pretty easy
2 - ES8000 is edge lit so will never have as good uniformity as a full array set like the Sony. At least you are coming from another LED though and not plasma. It took me a while to come to terms with the clouding and minor flashlighting my set had considering that plasma has none of these issues.
3 - Pretty good. Probably as good as LED TV can get.
4 - There is a "clear" mode which doesnt have judder. Others have said the modes with more smoothing can have judder. I hate the smoothing though so only use clear at most. Others can maybe comment further?
5 - OK. I'm not a 3D enthusiast, it looks good. Some content looks great, other content has a lot of breakup of the 3d image (crosstalk) and I dont really enjoy it.
6 - Background noise? Maybe something is wrong with your set. No noise unless the source is bad. Time Warner Cable looks great on my set, although I can really see when they have over-compressed certain channels. That isnt the fault of the TV though.
Edited by 10k - 2/12/13 at 9:46am

Here's a picture through one if the lenses on my 3D glasses to show the cross talk that I'm seeing. Look at the lettering in the menu. Now imagine both eyes doing this. My 55" was not doing this. 3D is unwatchable. Is this a problem with the TV? Does it need to go back?

Shark.... the 60ES8000 has terrible 3D compared to the other ES8000 models. I had a 65 ES8000 like your father and had flawless 3D. I downsized to the 60ES8000 due to vertical banding and found the 60ES8000 and it's "sharp" manufactured panel to be very poor compared to the 65ES8000.

I had four 60ES8000s overall and all four had terrible crosstalk compared to what I was use to seeing. I kept trying to explain to some folks that the 3D that got rave reviews from cnet and other sites was the 55ES8000 and the review was subsequently applied to all sizes of the ES8000 line, in which it should not have been due to being completely different sets due to different panels used.

PM me if you want me to break down the 3D errors that the 60ES8000 as I don't want to rehash a previous discussion for the benefit of others. At least I feel somewhat vindicated as a select few in these forums (none of the regulars on the ES8000 thread, but a few of the problem posters that this thread unfortunately has) ripped me to kingdom come for claiming the 3D on the 60 was not the benchmark of 3D since that was what the so called reviewers said (albeit the 55, not the 60 which still didn't register with those certain individuals).

As for why others haven't necessarily brought it up..... I think it is because those with really good 60ES8000s never had to exchange sets so they didn't have a real comparison of what 3D is supposed to look like or didn't realize certain background "haziness" or crosstalk is not supposed to be there.
Edited by cmay91472 - 2/12/13 at 10:27am

Been busy and not able to spend much time here - but wanted to drop a note to all who have been furiously calibrating, discussing, sharing, etc. -- thanks much. Your efforts and the fact that you're so open to sharing are much appreciated! When I get some time I will have to play around with some of the settings others are using. Cheers.

Yes, thank you for the efforts and communication on this. I certainly appreciate the time it takes to put this together to share with the group!

1. FW updates are easy. This was a good one, the only one that I did. Sounds like it did more for some people than others. Mine was good before and after the update.
2. My screen uniformity has always been great. No banding no clouding. Rare flashlight in very scenes.
3. Blacks excellent.
4. I use AMP clear. Can't comment
5. 3D is one of our favorite features. We rent them now. I don't know what it is about them but they look greats. Maybe its the detail in the production, but even when the stuff isn't all WOW 3D it looks freaking great, the colors and stuff.
6. I have cable and no background noise/snow. You should't have that. Checked the HDMI? Pictures are good if the source is good.

i would like to bring something i JUST noticed today.

1. To 10K, thx much for your movie settings, they do look pretty good but i have issue with them when using it as a PC monitor.
I like how my movies look but there's something REALLY WIERD & i will provide a video link of what happens when i use ur settings while web browsing.
Seems the letters on screen become blurred & as i move my mouse around they get darker & darker & sometimes almost dissappear.
SO for those that want to use this es8000 as a PC monitor may not be happy with 10K's settings.No disrespect here 10K..

2. To Justin Sullins, if you buy a unit today you will most likely get 1 with firmware 1044 like i did even if made in jan since the update wasn't till jan 28.
Maybe you'll get lucky with a made in feb model already having FW 1046.
55" from what i have noticed in mine has little crosstalk, there is some & i may try to make a video of it if i can.Sorry to hear ur troubles with the 950.

3. To sharkcohen, I see cross talk similar to that in some games for xbox 360 & more so in wipeout on ps3 but NEVER on both eyes.I can usually almost remove it but the depth suffers.
As for movies i only have 1 "monsters vs aliens 3D" & i have NO cross talk in that 1.I use this es8000 Mainly for gaming & as a PC monitor so i could help out with some video's soon.

4. To cmay91472, I had a c8000 plasma & the "certain background "haziness" or crosstalk" it had which with other flaws lead me to destroy it
So far this 55" is better but it's not perfect, i can understand how sharkcohen feels cause it's a feeling of wanting to smash the screen out of rage that paying so much got so little.
Stuff like this vert banding,clouding,dead center dead pixel(s) & flashlighting can eat away @ me over time to the point of punching the TV.

Not happy with the TV>> immediately exchange it if it's going to eat away @ you like it did to me on 2 previous samsung TV's, I have pictures to prove their destruction somewhere on file.
Too bad i can't get a "gamer" edition calibration for this set, i guess i'll just have to muck around with the settings.
I stare @ this TV almost dayly wondering if something is going to eat away @ me eventually.

Lastly i appreciate all the work done by members with their calibrations, THX
Edited by OugaBooga - 2/12/13 at 11:44am

Try 10K's settings. Best in the history of this thread in my opinion

What was frustrating to me OugaBooga was seeing how great the 3D was on the 65ES8000, fully expecting to see the same 3D but minus the vertical banding on the 60, to then thinking I had defective 3D to then the realization after testing multiple exchanges, testing an in store display that was 45 minutes away as that was the only 60Es8000 in the area that could demo the 3D, that the 60 was just not the same TV 3D wise as the 65.

I totally understand how frustrated SharkCohen must be right now after having great 3D on the 55, seeing great 3D on his parents 65, deciding to upgrade to a 60ES8000 and to only discover how much different the 3D quality is on the 60. For majority of the folks in this thread, 3D is probably not that big of a deal, so the trade off of minimal noticeable banding on the 60 is a no brainer. For me, however, 3D is very important which is why I ultimately moved on to another set.

This is actually on a Sharp TV, but was wondering what others think of this. It's a small break in the lower edge mask when looking down into the bottom edge, and it's not noticeable at regular viewing distance. Anyone know what this is, and if it will lead to any problems?

Hmm that is weird. 100% of my use with this TV is content piped through HTPC with cablecard tuner. I also play a lot of games with 360 controller. One thing I did notice is that if you have Auto Motion Plus set to on, it can do funny things with content with hard edges. I was playing a tomb raider game and even with AMP set to "clear" when i rotated the camera around it created a sort of blurry "halo" around the character in the middle of the screen and background stuff kind of got fuzzy or whatever. Turning off AMP made the picture clear again so that might be it.

Are you sure you have your screen size set to "screen fit" instead of 16:9? "Screen Fit" will give you 1:1 pixel mapping. 16:9 may introduce some weird scaling artifacts. Otherwise I have no idea why you are having the problems you are having. Good luck.

Looking to maybe exchange my HX950 for 55" ES8000. What's the best Panel for the 55"?

There have been good and bad panels of all types. At one time people were excited that the ones from December would be all better, but there have been returns. I don't think there's anything you can do about it but push and pray.

Guys, I have been reading and enjoying everything. I feel like everyone is getting along and helping others and most importantly sharing settings for people to try even if all our panels may be a little different, especially calibrated settings. A lot of people who have a calibration done, don't seem to like to post the settings and sometimes give an excuse that it won't be relevant to someone else's panel, but you guys bucked that trend and it makes me really happy. The Doc has potential too. Great idea putting links in your signatures too so they don't get lost. I'm glad you're doing it. Which reminds me, feel free to post a link to the Garnoch Guide too if you think it will help anyone and send me a PM if I should change something or add to it. Keep up the great work and camaraderie and keep it a fun place!

Hi,

Just wanted to post a picture of the readings I get from the new 1046.2 FW upgrade and "Standard" setting with "Warm 1". It's funny that it seems to look not to bad with these setting's but the meter doesn't lie.....as much as my eyes.

This is well over 9300K







Edited by RickS - 2/12/13 at 4:13pm

Thanks, feel free to add your settings to the doc (or I can for you if you'd like, when I get a free minute); it would be great if we could add a link in your guide in the "notes" section!

I know it sounds weird but the 950 is terrible on regluar content with Directv/Cable. Getting nothing but noise in the picture. Varies from channel to channel. It's not just me that's complaining about it either. Time Warner/Comcast/Dish/At&t people observing the same issue. I know there are issues, possibly bigger than a few background noise problems, on the ES8000 but I paid $3500 for mediocre PQ on everything but blu-ray and that's leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I'm just currently weighing my options and the ES8000 is one of them.

That doesn't sound right, did you try a different hdmi input?

It is frustrating. I'm weighing my options, but the 60" is definitely going back. I may go back to the 55", consider another make and possibly brand, or just go back to my 52B750 for now.

Thanks, man. I hadn't until now because I'm not sure mine belong there, but I think I will and just add the correct notes needed. And your idea for a link to it from the guide is a great idea. I'll put it right in the calibration section.
Edited by Garnoch - 2/12/13 at 7:50pm