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post #12211 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Stay tuned for version 2 of my movie mode settings. I have taken some of the feedback from users who have tried my settings and my own observations and am nearly there on making some significant improvements to picture quality in movie mode.

Key areas I am improving from my current set of settings:
1 - Blacks can appear washed out and grayish
2 - Some loss of detail in very dark scenes
3 - Color accuracy across 0%-100% saturation at 75% luminance is not ideal, even though 100% luminance tracks perfectly (clipping?)

To solve the above problems I am recalibrating for the following changes:
1 - Rebasing calibration at a darker white level. The current 100% white is 50ftl, my new target will be 40ftl. I'm trying very hard to not sacrifice overall contrast, my target is for contrast of at least 1900:1
2 - Calibrating grayscale at bt1886 gamma, which should add detail in the darkest scenes without compromising too much the range of black to white
3 - Redoing my CMS settings. There will be some loss of accuracy at the 100% luminance level, but most content is nearer 75% luminance so getting that area as correct as possible should be main focus. This is where I am currently stuck and is quite a balancing act. My target is dE of 4 or below across all saturations at both 75% luminance and 100% luminance.

Bonus improvements:
I have been reading some of the discussions around calibrating plasma displays, which vary light output based on the average brightness level of the scene. Sound familiar? Once I get my version 2 settings on lockdown, I am going to use some of the methods the plasma calibrator guys are using to try and dial in a movie mode calibration with features like dynamic contrast, black level, and black enhancer turned on. If I'm successful at doing this then I will try and tackle Standard mode afterwards.

I'm intrigued! After half a day with your settings, I'm blown away at times seeing it with Sky HD. Watching Moonraker at the moment on the 007 channel. So fascinating all the greys/creams clothes and any of the characters silky garments.

Though keep that Underworld clip handy for those pesky blue/purples. smile.gif

SkyFall on Blu-ray with all the sands and greys is simply mind blowing.

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Originally Posted by RickS View Post

This is well over 9300K

I thought that was mainly for florescent lighting, offices and such places?
post #12212 of 16125
Any1 know what happened to "Cal-Day and Cal-Night" ?
I remember this being on the C series plasma & LED, is this hidden somewhere on these ES models?
post #12213 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I know it sounds weird but the 950 is terrible on regluar content with Directv/Cable. Getting nothing but noise in the picture. Varies from channel to channel. It's not just me that's complaining about it either. Time Warner/Comcast/Dish/At&t people observing the same issue. I know there are issues, possibly bigger than a few background noise problems, on the ES8000 but I paid $3500 for mediocre PQ on everything but blu-ray and that's leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I'm just currently weighing my options and the ES8000 is one of them.

You might even consider the 60es8000, a bigger tv for less than $3500
Some people keep on saying the 3D is no good on the 60". The 3D on mine is great, little to no crosstalk
I do have the 60es7500 though, not sure if the 7500 is different. HD content always looks better
Standard is....just standard, thats the nature of the beast
post #12214 of 16125
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

You might even consider the 60es8000, a bigger tv for less than $3500
Some people keep on saying the 3D is no good on the 60". The 3D on mine is great, little to no crosstalk
I do have the 60es7500 though, not sure if the 7500 is different. HD content always looks better
Standard is....just standard, thats the nature of the beast

What's the main diff between the 7500 and 8000?
post #12215 of 16125
Well ill have my 55es8000 and 46es660 later today. the 55 is replacing the 65es8000 had a 55" before that so altho i only used the 65" for a weekit will prbably take a few days to get used to the 55 again but mind you i really havnt watched the 65" much couldnt stand the banding i was seeing it on everything i watched

Will give you guys update in a few hours of how i go with the es558000
post #12216 of 16125
helo garnoch, 10k, jestered or others:
I found the place in "my profile" where to create a signature. But how do you make a signature text that links to one of my old calibration posts?
post #12217 of 16125
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

helo garnoch, 10k, jestered or others:
I found the place in "my profile" where to create a signature. But how do you make a signature text that links to one of my old calibration posts?

Hey, Turbo. Type what you want it to say, highlight the text, click the world icon with the link and paste your post address in the window that pops up.
post #12218 of 16125
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

Any1 know what happened to "Cal-Day and Cal-Night" ?
I remember this being on the C series plasma & LED, is this hidden somewhere on these ES models?

Hey there, merciful fate. It can be turned on in the service menu - but I've never done it.
post #12219 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Thanks, feel free to add your settings to the doc (or I can for you if you'd like, when I get a free minute); it would be great if we could add a link in your guide in the "notes" section!

Thanks, man. I hadn't until now because I'm not sure mine belong there, but I'll think I will and just add the correct notes needed. And you idea for a link to it from the guide is a great idea. I'll put it right in the calibration section.

Glad to see your settings in the doc, bro!

I think the doc really should be for anyone who has posted their settings here in the past and used some form of setup disc (or other means of using available pattern files, not just properly calibrated); especially for comparison sake between the different panels. If anyone took the time to do this and tweaked their settings to their liking from there, they can say so in the "notes" section, along with their primary use for the display (i.e. movies, gaming, etc.). I'll be adding mine once 10k finishes his final calibration, unless I end up not changing a thing wink.gif

Thanks for the link in your guide, too!
post #12220 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Glad to see your settings in the doc, bro!

I think the doc really should be for anyone who has posted their settings here in the past and used some form of setup disc (or other means of using available pattern files, not just properly calibrated); especially for comparison sake between the different panels. If anyone took the time to do this and tweaked their settings to their liking from there, they can say so in the "notes" section, along with their primary use for the display (i.e. movies, gaming, etc.). I'll be adding mine once 10k finishes his final calibration, unless I end up not changing a thing wink.gif

Thanks for the link in your guide, too!
hello Galonzo
I tried to work in the doc half an hour ago, and add my calibration settings. And suddenly, a few colums were wiped out. Don't know what happened.
Can you check please?
post #12221 of 16125
I restored to before that happened, you may need to leave and go back to the doc
Edited by galonzo - 2/12/13 at 10:30pm
post #12222 of 16125
Also, I moved you so that the screen sizes will be in order
post #12223 of 16125
SKYFALL is ridiculously detailed in the 8000, way better than in the theater.
post #12224 of 16125
About 2 weeks ago, a new firmware 1010 was released. I have an Asian panel. Since I read that in North America, the new firmware had an effect on picture quality, I wanted to check the effect of the new firmware on my panel.
Here is the comparison firmware 1009 and 1010. The settings are still the same as the ones from my previous calibration post. The link is in my signature (I hope it works. Thanks garnoch)

CalibrationSummaryDetailedFW1009-1010.pdf 1341k .pdf file

So for this new firmware, there is no differenece to the old one.
Of course you could say that this firmware for my Asian panel is not relevant for North America. But user marcojames also reported that for his North American panel, he could see no difference.

These new calibration values could be slightly different compared to my old post. These new calibrations were done with a new bluray player.
post #12225 of 16125
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

...Or mp4 files on USB stick. I tried that and it worked, but I did not make an exact comparison with patterns played from Bluray.
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

... These new calibration values could be slightly different compared to my old post. These new calibrations were done with a new bluray player.

If only your previous calibration was from mp4 files for this comparison, then we would know for sure wink.gif

I understand why you would want to calibrate from your primary content source (blu-ray player), however this begs the question; wouldn't you get a more accurate calibration directly from the mp4 files, since you're eliminating any player picture processing?

Perhaps we should add a new field to the doc indicating the source used to calibrate...
post #12226 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

SKYFALL is ridiculously detailed in the 8000, way better than in the theater.

Real life isn't that sharp with good eyesight. Judi Dench's wrinkles and cracks were scary up close to the screen even with sharpness 0. If it's sharper than this for 4k/8k retina screens, then I'm scared. Because there's far too many scary people to be on HD broadcasts as it is.
post #12227 of 16125
well here is a pic of the uniformity of my new 55ES8000 Much better then the 65es8000

TS02 Panel


This is uniformity test




Flash Light test



Edited by kaosx77 - 2/13/13 at 1:54am
post #12228 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Hey there, merciful fate. It can be turned on in the service menu - but I've never done it.
THX hellhammer, seems there's no service connection or what ever like my plasma had in the back, i wonder if i can reuse some of those parts in the future.
post #12229 of 16125
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Originally Posted by kaosx77 View Post

well here is a pic of the uniformity of my new 55ES8000 Much better then the 65es8000

TS02 Panel


This is uniformity test




Flash Light test



both look fine to me, i never had those stickers on my tv, you think i got a open box made closed? or a refurb?
Oh so i see you have a TS02 not a 1, when was it made BTW ?

Lastly, i have this weird feeling ur 3d will be better then mine eek.gif
Edited by OugaBooga - 2/13/13 at 4:17am
post #12230 of 16125
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Originally Posted by kaosx77 View Post

well here is a pic of the uniformity of my new 55ES8000 Much better then the 65es8000

TS02 Panel


This is uniformity test




Flash Light test



Looks good!
post #12231 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

SKYFALL is ridiculously detailed in the 8000, way better than in the theater.

Yeah I watched it this weekend, Blade. It looked amazing!
post #12232 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yeah I watched it this weekend, Blade. It looked amazing!

One of the most detailed transfers on bluray in quite some time.... almost as good as Baraka and Samsara... but without a doubt amazing. Wondering how good Skyfalls IMAX specific print would look on bluray if it is ever released on the ultimate super duper special limited collectors digibook made of steel edition.
post #12233 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yeah I watched it this weekend, Blade. It looked amazing!

OMG! Being a Bond lover for years , this is another of those avs heavenly moments!!!!
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

One of the most detailed transfers on bluray in quite some time.... almost as good as Baraka and Samsara... but without a doubt amazing.
....yea, ditto. I did get Samsara a few weeks ago...eye popping color and detail at times

For me, I'll be quite happy for the next 4 years with this shabby lil 60" es8000 while the new technologies iron out and cycle down in pricing. This is amazing...and still sexy when turned off.
post #12234 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

OMG! Being a Bond lover for years , this is another of those avs heavenly moments!!!!
....

Now if we could just some how erase the memory of Quantum of Solace... eek.gif

I definitely think both Casino Royale and Skyfall were better than any non Connery Bond film.

SPOILER ALERT





Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I loooovvveddddd Ray Fiennes at the end as the throwback M in the classic office. If it weren't for JGL using the Robin John Blake line in TDKR.... Naomi Harris' Moneypenny reveal would have been a lot cooler.

Edited by cmay91472 - 2/13/13 at 9:30am
post #12235 of 16125
I know I've asked before but I'm actually on my way to check out the 55ES8000 in store and was wondering which panel to ask the sales guy to check. I've read the TS01/02 panels don't have flashlighting. Well frankly, that's all I've read about on the internet in respect to ES8000 Panels. I've always had great luck with Samsung TVs and the main reason we're taking the 950 back is the price difference. For $3199 I was expected to be blown away and I really wasn't on the Sony. I know that's probably sacrilegious to all the Sony 950 People but it's not worth it for the price. I want 0 to minimal flashlighting or at the very least be able turn it down with brightness or backlighting. How are the viewing angles? How does the micro-dimming handle on this set? Does the whole backlight dim in darker scenes to create good black levels? (Post Firmware Update) Any help in this regard will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
post #12236 of 16125
hey guys, i'm looking at this sanus vmpl50a model wall mount, but one es8000 owner mentioned about incorrect screw sizes provided by the manufacturer, so i'm a little concerned about going my way to find the right screws. does anybody know what screw size i need to get for our tv? or perhaps recommend a different wall mount that you're already using? any inputs appreciated.

sanus vmpl50a link for reference only:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-Vmpl50A-B1-32-Inch-Visionmount/dp/B003WUBL0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360775658&sr=8-1&keywords=sanus+wall+mount
post #12237 of 16125
Hello all,

I have two short questions maybe one can answer:

- Does the Samsung ES8000 has auto lip sync on one of it's hdmi slots ?

- I understood that the only hdmi 1.4 slot the Samsung ES8000 has, is hdmi slot 2. When trying to achieve lip sync, which slot should I use ?
post #12238 of 16125
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Originally Posted by MMakoto View Post

hey guys, i'm looking at this sanus vmpl50a model wall mount, but one es8000 owner mentioned about incorrect screw sizes provided by the manufacturer, so i'm a little concerned about going my way to find the right screws. does anybody know what screw size i need to get for our tv? or perhaps recommend a different wall mount that you're already using? any inputs appreciated.

sanus vmpl50a link for reference only:
http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-Vmpl50A-B1-32-Inch-Visionmount/dp/B003WUBL0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360775658&sr=8-1&keywords=sanus+wall+mount

Shop Monoprice or eBay for a mount. I bought a $15.00 wallmount off of eBay that worked out great for my 65". The screws that came with the mount worked fine for me. 8m x 1.25
post #12239 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

Hello all,

I have two short questions maybe one can answer:

- Does the Samsung ES8000 has auto lip sync on one of it's hdmi slots ?

- I understood that the only hdmi 1.4 slot the Samsung ES8000 has, is hdmi slot 2. When trying to achieve lip sync, which slot should I use ?

I don't think it has "auto lip sych" (whatever that is). At least I've never heard anyone mention it. If what you're referring to is matching sound to mouth movements in video that's a feature found in AVRs. The HDMI slot 2 you refer to is the only 2 way HDMI slot so that's the one most people use to attach their AVR to. That way you don't need the optical cable for sound.
post #12240 of 16125
Auto lip sync doesn't work anyway. Always calibrate audio/video sync manually in my experience.

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