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post #1231 of 15323
6/23/12 at 6:38pm
Oh, thanks Nitra. You answered my question as I was asking it. Awesome, so then the screen doesn't turn off like that when displaying all-black, even in other modes? That's excellent because I hated the way the E8000 plasma does it.
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post #1232 of 15323
6/23/12 at 6:43pm
If the screen goes completely black, the screen does turn off, it does it in movie/cal modes/standard at least from what I've seen, I don't know about dynamic.
The pixel control I mentioned above, last years model could turn off each pixel on a black bar, this created way more issues than it was worth.
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post #1233 of 15323
6/23/12 at 6:55pm
Nitra with your calibrations do you set the eco sensor to bottom out at 4 ot 5? You just told someone 4 but your calibrations say 5? Can you please comfirm.
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post #1234 of 15323
6/23/12 at 7:59pm
It really doesn't matter at that level, 4 or 5.
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post #1235 of 15323
6/23/12 at 8:05pm
Well what do u have urs set to? I watch in complete darkness at night. So you think 4?
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post #1236 of 15323
6/23/12 at 8:17pm
4, however, every now and again in complete darkness there's a movie that's filmed a little darker that requires a bump to 5.
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post #1237 of 15323
6/23/12 at 8:36pm
Ok, thanks. I appreciate all your help on here.
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post #1238 of 15323
6/23/12 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

If the screen goes completely black, the screen does turn off, it does it in movie/cal modes/standard at least from what I've seen, I don't know about dynamic.
The pixel control I mentioned above, last years model could turn off each pixel on a black bar, this created way more issues than it was worth.

I haven't seen that happen even once yet and I am in movie mode. One of the more annoying things with the E8000 plasma was that the screen would turn off instantly, even during credits or fades between scenes. I have tried several films that I know contained black fades that triggered the D8000 plasma to turn the screen off, and none of them triggered that behavior with the ES7500. As was discovered in the D8000 thread, if you set the brightness high enough, it would deactivate that "feature" and it wouldn't happen. Anything under a certain brightness setting and the screen would turn off whenever the screen displayed all black, even for a fraction of a second. Maybe it's the same with this set and I happen to have the brightness set high enough to disable that function?

For instance, on the E8000 plasma, if I set brightness to 48 or higher it would disable the screen turning off. If I set the brightness to 47 or lower then the screen would turn off.
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post #1239 of 15323
6/24/12 at 5:15am
Eh, it does it on mine, but only when the screen is completely blank, it's not enough to bitch over though.
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post #1240 of 15323
6/24/12 at 7:25am
i get this error on a UN55ES6820. tried playing like a video from youtube and get a error that its skipping to the next song. this to do with flash player or copyright of sorts?
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post #1241 of 15323
6/24/12 at 8:12am
Would help if you said what the error was.
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post #1242 of 15323
6/24/12 at 10:46am
Is this any good to calibrate a TV?

http://www.amazon.com/Datacolor-S4EL100-Spyder4Elite/dp/B006TF36TM/
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post #1243 of 15323
6/24/12 at 1:16pm
What are some good settings for watching sports: soccer, football...
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post #1244 of 15323
6/24/12 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Eh, it does it on mine, but only when the screen is completely blank, it's not enough to bitch over though.

For others' benefit and reference, I thought I'd mention this here. I was experimenting a bit more with the screen turning off the LEDs when the screen is all black. It seems to function exactly as the E8000 plasma did - as others mentioned on that forum - turning the brightness up to 46 or higher disables the screen from turning off when displaying a black screen. I experimented with my ES7500 today with a scene that triggered it every time on the E8000 plasma. If I set the brightness to 45 or lower on my ES7500, the screen turns off briefly when displaying a totally black screen, even if only for an instant when fading to black in between scenes or during credit sequences. However, if I set the brightness to 46 or higher, it is disabled and the screen will continue to remain on even when the screen is all black. Since for this set my brightness is a bit higher than 46 anyways (currently it's on 53), that's why I haven't seen it happen yet on this tv.

So for anybody who finds it annoying when the screen turns off during films at credits, scene transitions,etc. - just set your brightness to 46 or higher. That should do it. For some reason with my plasma the number was 48 but for others it was 46, so there may be a bit of wiggle room, but it seems 46 is generally the cutoff setting to disable that function.
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post #1245 of 15323
6/25/12 at 4:18am
Nitra,

I've got a 65" VT50 which I'm not too happy with due to;

1) Dithering - I can see this frequently when watching FIOS HD tv. It looks like video noise.
2) Flickering - I can see the picture flicker in certain scenes.
3) Buzzing - I can hear the buzzing from 12 feet away.
*Less important
4) Heat produced - Gets pretty warm.
5) Power consumption - This thing drinks electricity.

Watching 3d content is horrible at times with the excessive dithering.

Hoping that the 65" comes out in a couple of weeks, do you think I'll like the 65ES8000 better than my VT50. I'm still within my return period.

Thanks!
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post #1246 of 15323
6/25/12 at 5:32am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

For others' benefit and reference, I thought I'd mention this here. I was experimenting a bit more with the screen turning off the LEDs when the screen is all black. It seems to function exactly as the E8000 plasma did - as others mentioned on that forum - turning the brightness up to 46 or higher disables the screen from turning off when displaying a black screen. I experimented with my ES7500 today with a scene that triggered it every time on the E8000 plasma. If I set the brightness to 45 or lower on my ES7500, the screen turns off briefly when displaying a totally black screen, even if only for an instant when fading to black in between scenes or during credit sequences. However, if I set the brightness to 46 or higher, it is disabled and the screen will continue to remain on even when the screen is all black. Since for this set my brightness is a bit higher than 46 anyways (currently it's on 53), that's why I haven't seen it happen yet on this tv.
So for anybody who finds it annoying when the screen turns off during films at credits, scene transitions,etc. - just set your brightness to 46 or higher. That should do it. For some reason with my plasma the number was 48 but for others it was 46, so there may be a bit of wiggle room, but it seems 46 is generally the cutoff setting to disable that function.

The problem with 46 is that all of these TV's have a base black level that requires 45, if you happen to think it's a little washed out, you can adjust that down as low as 40, it will crush blacks but will offer those that have an issue with the calibrated settings a picture closer to conventional TV's.

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Originally Posted by flyguyjake View Post

Nitra,
I've got a 65" VT50 which I'm not too happy with due to;
1) Dithering - I can see this frequently when watching FIOS HD tv. It looks like video noise.
2) Flickering - I can see the picture flicker in certain scenes.
3) Buzzing - I can hear the buzzing from 12 feet away.
*Less important
4) Heat produced - Gets pretty warm.
5) Power consumption - This thing drinks electricity.
Watching 3d content is horrible at times with the excessive dithering.
Hoping that the 65" comes out in a couple of weeks, do you think I'll like the 65ES8000 better than my VT50. I'm still within my return period.
Thanks!

I've heard very bad things this year so far about the VT50 and many returns, in fact there's a number of people in this thread that have swapped to the ES8000. On your concerns, #1 and #2, even comparing my ES8000 to my D7000, the cable quality is much better this year, I find it to be far above the VT50. On #3 I would personally not own a TV that buzzed, it would drive me nuts. On #4/#5, there's virtually no heat generated on the ES8000, that also translates into reduced power usage.

The 65's were due shipped at the end of May, if that holds true, they should be available very soon.
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post #1247 of 15323
6/25/12 at 7:42am
Received my 60" from Amazon on Friday. My TV has some minor clouding, but also has some annoying flashlighting from all 4 corners.

Given what I understand about edge-LCDs, I knew it was a possibility this would happen so I'm not too terribly surprised. I'm going to have Amazon send a replacement and I'll keep my fingers crossed the second set is better.
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post #1248 of 15323
6/25/12 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by ilovethecubs View Post

Received my 60" from Amazon on Friday. My TV has some minor clouding, but also has some annoying flashlighting from all 4 corners.
Given what I understand about edge-LCDs, I knew it was a possibility this would happen so I'm not too terribly surprised. I'm going to have Amazon send a replacement and I'll keep my fingers crossed the second set is better.

Please read, http://asia.cnet.com/is-tv-brightness-uniformity-a-problem-62213336.htm

Also, correct use of the backlight combined with the ECO sensor should get rid of most of your issues. Set the backlight to 13, enable the ECO sensor, set it to bottom out at 4 or 5. If you're seeing flashlighting from all 4 corners, this is a sign of incorrect backlight use.
Keep in mind, a setting of 8 on these sets is equal to 16 on a set with a rear lighting system.
There is also a 3-4 week break-in period in which the clouding will get a bit better.

Recent ISF settings on the TS01 panel are provided on the below link.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-thread/1050#post_22115441
Edited by nitra - 6/25/12 at 8:35am
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post #1249 of 15323
6/25/12 at 11:09am
Is TS01 a 55" panel?

I used your settings on my 60" and I like the picture. Was watching Falling Skies during the day and blacks were black and can't see any clouding.
Last night was the new episode and I watched it after 10 PM and the picture quality could be better. Some noticeable clouding close to left and right bottom corners.
Also not the best experience is to watch The Artist in a dark room. The movie being white and black and shot in 4:3 format.

I have TV for only 2 weeks, so hoping it will get better.
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post #1250 of 15323
6/25/12 at 1:47pm
Will the 55" have better picture quality then the 60" in general?
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post #1251 of 15323
6/25/12 at 1:59pm
I've had my UN55ES8000 (panel TS01) for roughly 4 weeks now I used the settings from page 36 the picture really is oustanding and flaslighting is almost gone, however It still has bad clouding when a dark scene comes up. It's seems to be more prominent on the lower left corner with weeker blotches along the outer extremedies and corners of the scene... I'm debating on exchanging it....
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post #1252 of 15323
6/25/12 at 2:43pm
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The problem with 46 is that all of these TV's have a base black level that requires 45, if you happen to think it's a little washed out, you can adjust that down as low as 40, it will crush blacks but will offer those that have an issue with the calibrated settings a picture closer to conventional TV's.

Can you explain a bit more about that? I'm a bit confused because CNET posted a setting of 51 last year for their D8000, and currently with my brightness on 53, backlight on 8, and contrast on 92, the AVS disc's basic patterns look about right, and the benefit is the screen won't turn off when fading to black. On the AVS disc, I see all the bars I should see and none of the ones I shouldn't. At this setting, my tv certainly doesn't look washed out. Not at all. Blacks and colors appear nice and deep.
Edited by eagle_2 - 6/25/12 at 2:48pm
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post #1253 of 15323
6/25/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

I've had my UN55ES8000 (panel TS01) for roughly 4 weeks now I used the settings from page 36 the picture really is oustanding and flaslighting is almost gone, however It still has bad clouding when a dark scene comes up. It's seems to be more prominent on the lower left corner with weeker blotches along the outer extremedies and corners of the scene... I'm debating on exchanging it....

This is normal. It's a function of the edge lit set, check the cnet post above. All edge lit sets have it in one form or another.
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post #1254 of 15323
6/25/12 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Can you explain a bit more about that? I'm a bit confused because CNET posted a setting of 51 last year for their D8000, and currently with my brightness on 53, backlight on 8, and contrast on 92, the AVS disc's basic patterns look about right, and the benefit is the screen won't turn off when fading to black. On the AVS disc, I see all the bars I should see and none of the ones I shouldn't. At this setting, my tv certainly doesn't look washed out. Not at all. Blacks and colors appear nice and deep.


All depends on the source you're playing the disc from, some of them clip data themselves.
For calibration, everything in the chain must match, or you get settings that are quite a bit off, I've not seen a Samsung TV since the A series that the median brightness levels wasn't 45 +/- 1 point.
Also, depends on the mode you're setting it up in, STD will have different values than Movie/Cal-Day/Cal-Night.
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post #1255 of 15323
6/25/12 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

All depends on the source you're playing the disc from, some of them clip data themselves.
For calibration, everything in the chain must match, or you get settings that are quite a bit off, I've not seen a Samsung TV since the A series that the median brightness levels wasn't 45 +/- 1 point.
Also, depends on the mode you're setting it up in, STD will have different values than Movie/Cal-Day/Cal-Night.

I see. I use movie mode with CNET's D800 settings, but with the backlight on 8, and tweaked using my AVS test disc.
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post #1256 of 15323
6/25/12 at 4:37pm
What is your source?


Grab the AVS disc files in mp4 format, put them on a USB drive and open them on the TV directly.
This will verify your settings are correct, and it's not a source that's messing with the settings.
Edited by nitra - 6/25/12 at 4:43pm
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post #1257 of 15323
6/25/12 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by ilovethecubs View Post

Received my 60" from Amazon on Friday. My TV has some minor clouding, but also has some annoying flashlighting from all 4 corners.
Given what I understand about edge-LCDs, I knew it was a possibility this would happen so I'm not too terribly surprised. I'm going to have Amazon send a replacement and I'll keep my fingers crossed the second set is better.


Thanks for your report. Please keep us updated in this thread on how your replacement does in this important area of uniformity.
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post #1258 of 15323
6/25/12 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post


Please read, http://asia.cnet.com/is-tv-brightness-uniformity-a-problem-62213336.htm

Also, correct use of the backlight combined with the ECO sensor should get rid of most of your issues. Set the backlight to 13, enable the ECO sensor, set it to bottom out at 4 or 5. If you're seeing flashlighting from all 4 corners, this is a sign of incorrect backlight use.
Keep in mind, a setting of 8 on these sets is equal to 16 on a set with a rear lighting system.
There is also a 3-4 week break-in period in which the clouding will get a bit better.

Recent ISF settings on the TS01 panel are provided on the below link.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-thread/1050#post_22115441

Thanks for the info, nitra. I'll looks a look and see how it affects my tv.
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post #1259 of 15323
6/25/12 at 6:16pm
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What is your source?
Grab the AVS disc files in mp4 format, put them on a USB drive and open them on the TV directly.
This will verify your settings are correct, and it's not a source that's messing with the settings.

I was using a burned DVD played on my Panasonic blu-ray player, connected via HDMI through my Yamaha receiver.

I'll copy the mp4 AVS test files on a USB stick and see how they look that way, either later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for the tip there.

I would imagine that varying the backlight would affect what brightness/contrast settings you end up with using the AVS files, correct? If so, does it matter as long as in the end the test patterns look okay? In other words could different sets end up with differenet brightness/contrast settings due to different backlight settings but both still be getting similar results from the AVS disc?
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post #1260 of 15323
6/25/12 at 6:52pm
Anyone can setup brightness and contrast with the AVS disc, it's easy.
My worry about your setup is, some AVR's don't process the full gamut 0-255, they clip everything below 16. In practice this may not prove to be much of an issue, but it's better to allow all the signals through. The same can be said for some Blu-ray/DVD players.

If your AVR has something like RGB enhanced or something like that, make sure it's on.
As I said, using the MP4's directly will allow you to quickly verify everything is in sync properly across all inputs.
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