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post #12421 of 16126
Skyfall is arguably the sharpest most detailed bluray yet. Absolutely mind blowing picture not to mention its arguably the best Bond of all time....i guess I'm being arguably very argumentative!!!

Rico, very envious of that Oppo ya have over there. Maybe I will upgrade in the fall.
post #12422 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I don't think ISF calibrators even attempt to calibrate 3D. Let us know how it turns out.

Well, I may have to step up on my Pattern generator to get the proper patterns to do the calibration......Spectracal has it on sale for only $1995.00....eek.gif
post #12423 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

After watching the TV last night and today after my last calibration, I'm extremely happy to say that I have not noticed a single thing that makes me want to do any further adjustments! I've put a lot of hours into getting this thing calibrated, so I'm very happy to be where I'm at with it. It's never looked better!

I upgraded to the latest 1047.0 firmware before running my calibration yesterday and have not noticed any degradation over the previous version. I didn't check with the 1046.2 FW, but I just watched the TV in Smooth and Standard AMP modes (about 10 minutes each) and did not see any stutter whatsoever. It appears they've fixed whatever was causing that. Personally I could care less because I don't like the SOE those settings produce, but it does appear to be fixed. The only thing I did notice is that Smooth mode shows some pretty obvious artifacts around fast moving objects, but not stutter. Standard mode has some artifacts around fast moving objects, too, but much less noticeable compared to Smooth mode.

Now I guess I'm going to calibrate the 52A550. Getting it as dialed in as my ES8000 isn't as important, so it shouldn't take long to do that one.

Jestered - - I've been very happy with my "Standard' settings and have not used "Movie" at all since the last couple firmware updates. I'll plug these settings into my set to see how they work (65ES8000) with Pioneer SC65 (Marvell QDEO processing). Thanks for posting (by the way, I clicked the link below your post and I hope that these are your latest settings.)
post #12424 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Jestered - - I've been very happy with my "Standard' settings and have not used "Movie" at all since the last couple firmware updates. I'll plug these settings into my set to see how they work (65ES8000) with Pioneer SC65 (Marvell QDEO processing). Thanks for posting (by the way, I clicked the link below your post and I hope that these are your latest settings.)

Those are my latest settings and don't plan on doing any changes to them for a while. Keep in mind that I think I have some weird luminance problem with red on my TV, so my settings may not look very good on your TV. I'm curious to find out how they look, so let me know. Unfortunately, unless you have the same weird red luminance problem that I do, I don't think they will work for you. My TV has never looked better though. Blacks are as inky as ever. Contrast looks fantastic and colors look great! I have a lot of depth to my picture now and don't plan on doing any more tinkering for a bit.
post #12425 of 16126
Just chiming in on the praise for Skyfall. I agree wholeheartedly with all the comments. This disc is truly reference quality.
post #12426 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

....I have no opinion because I love the design of the 8000. It's sexy even when off as it floats in my family room. Like with cars, there is always a tweak every year. I'll be happy with this design for the next 4 years.

How could one not be happy with a 60" screen that has a half inch black bezel trimmed in a brushed chrom....floating in your viewing area??? effing badazz!!! This tv is pure electronic art.

Amen, brother.

10k, have you had a chance to retake your readings since yours auto-updated?
post #12427 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

movie mode

10K your settings are fantastic !!!!

I am tempted to back off the colour temp to Warm1.. playing around at the moment. I have tried DRIVE.. lots of dark scenes and bright scenes and it looks incredible. In fact, going back to movie mode after the latest firmware update suggests improvements have been made all around to this mode even before I applied your settings.

1000
post #12428 of 16126
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Originally Posted by BPWingN View Post

Just chiming in on the praise for Skyfall. I agree wholeheartedly with all the comments. This disc is truly reference quality.

Dude you should have seen it in 4K. There were a few 4K prints doing the rounds in cinemas in Brisbane and Sydney.. you had to be quick to catch one. I was lucky enough to see it in 4K and the quality was breathtaking.

1000
post #12429 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Dude you should have seen it in 4K. There were a few 4K prints doing the rounds in cinemas in Brisbane and Sydney.. you had to be quick to catch one. I was lucky enough to see it in 4K and the quality was breathtaking.

1000

+1 I saw Skyfall in 4K at Regal Cinemas in South Florida.

Amazing stuff....
post #12430 of 16126
I found out what was causing the weird red luminance problem during calibration. It was DLNA and that's what I was using for my patterns. I redid the calibration using Bluray and the red luminance problem went away. In fact, I had the same blue push problem that 10k had, so it appears that we are both calibrating the same thing now (finally!). Anyway, since the red luminance problem is gone now, you can check out my calibration settings on your set to see how they look. If you do try them, please let me know what you think.

I WILL NOT be running another calibration until a new firmware comes out. Oh and it's amazing how much easier it was to calibrate my color space when there was no red luminance problem. I sure wish I had know that before spending all those hours trying to do it through DLNA!

My charts and settings are updated in my signature. I also ran the saturation readings so you can see how my colors are sitting in the CIE chart.
post #12431 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I don't think ISF calibrators even attempt to calibrate 3D. Let us know how it turns out.
Really? they don't cal 3d?
I am wondering if maybe what looks like crosstalk when playing 3D games has something to do with outta the box weak factory settings in 3d?
how much is the "average" PRO calibration cost & is 3d cal an additional cost?
I really never thought about getting my set pro cal till getting this sammy & reading posts here & a few other sites.
I REALLY would like to see samsung make cal nite/day a regular feature like it was on my c8000 plasma.
I am hoping for more "gamer" calibrators on AVS.
man i am bUzzzzzz'd out, some lovely music compilation, lack of sleep, honeymoon with TV feeling & trois pistoles beer.....what a weekend cocktail cool.gif
post #12432 of 16126
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

Really? they don't cal 3d?
I am wondering if maybe what looks like crosstalk when playing 3D games has something to do with outta the box weak factory settings in 3d?
how much is the "average" PRO calibration cost & is 3d cal an additional cost?
I really never thought about getting my set pro cal till getting this sammy & reading posts here & a few other sites.
I REALLY would like to see samsung make cal nite/day a regular feature like it was on my c8000 plasma.
I am hoping for more "gamer" calibrators on AVS.
man i am bUzzzzzz'd out, some lovely music compilation, lack of sleep, honeymoon with TV feeling & trois pistoles beer.....what a weekend cocktail cool.gif

For a good pro calibration you're probably going to spend at least $400 and that does not include 3D. That is going to be an add-on that I'm guessing will probably add another $100-$200 to the price. If you do get a calibration they should enable the cal day and night modes for your TV.
Edited by Jestered - 2/16/13 at 4:25pm
post #12433 of 16126
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Amen, brother.

10k, have you had a chance to retake your readings since yours auto-updated?
Yea the new firmware didnt result in any readings outside of normal measurement variation. It also didnt fix my problem with my TV not being able to see my HDHomerun Prime DLNA server so that is annoying but whatever....
post #12434 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I found out what was causing the weird red luminance problem during calibration. It was DLNA and that's what I was using for my patterns. I redid the calibration using Bluray and the red luminance problem went away. In fact, I had the same blue push problem that 10k had, so it appears that we are both calibrating the same thing now (finally!). Anyway, since the red luminance problem is gone now, you can check out my calibration settings on your set to see how they look. If you do try them, please let me know what you think.

I WILL NOT be running another calibration until a new firmware comes out. Oh and it's amazing how much easier it was to calibrate my color space when there was no red luminance problem. I sure wish I had know that before spending all those hours trying to do it through DLNA!

My charts and settings are updated in my signature. I also ran the saturation readings so you can see how my colors are sitting in the CIE chart.
Great results. That is crazy about DLNA. I had unknowingly run into that CMS bug that prsut posted about where if you get to "custom" going the wrong way in the menu the settings do nothing, that was highly annoying smile.gif
post #12435 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

10K your settings are fantastic !!!!

1000

Ditto 10k. I used your settings and set color tone to standard. Looks awesome! Thanks again.
post #12436 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Amen, brother.

10k, have you had a chance to retake your readings since yours auto-updated?
Yea the new firmware didnt result in any readings outside of normal measurement variation. It also didnt fix my problem with my TV not being able to see my HDHomerun Prime DLNA server so that is annoying but whatever....

Ah, but have you done a factory reset since your TV updated?
post #12437 of 16126
Movie Mode Settings (Dim Room/Dark Room)


Backlight- 5
Contrast- 95
Brightness- 42
Sharpness- 0
Color- 48
Tint - 0/0

Advanced Settings:

Gamma- " -1 "
Black Enhancer - On (Preference)

White Balance:
*see notes

Color Space:
**see notes

everything else default.

Picture Options:

Color Tone- Warm 2
Dig. Noise Filter- Auto
MPEG Noise Filter- Auto
Auto Motion Plus- Clear (Preference)
LED Motion Plus- On (Preference)



notes:

I adjusted grayscale by eye with a step pattern a few months ago and came up with almost identical settings as 10k's except for his 10p white balance adjustment. So I trust his settings are dead on. It also goes to show how close default Movie Mode is and how bad Standard Mode is. Movie is just a little too blue on default and it's really obvious once you start watching black & white tv shows.

I will have to trust his settings for Colorspace as you can't eyeball them. They look great to me.

As for the basic settings, this is where I believe improvement can be made and as such I posted the settings I am currently using.
post #12438 of 16126
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Originally Posted by RaylanGivens1 View Post

Movie Mode Settings (Dim Room/Dark Room)


Backlight- 5
Contrast- 95
Brightness- 42
Sharpness- 0
Color- 48
Tint - 0/0

Advanced Settings:

Gamma- " -1 "
Black Enhancer - On (Preference)

White Balance:
*see notes

Color Space:
**see notes

everything else default.

Picture Options:

Color Tone- Warm 2
Dig. Noise Filter- Auto
MPEG Noise Filter- Auto
Auto Motion Plus- Clear (Preference)
LED Motion Plus- On (Preference)



notes:

I adjusted grayscale by eye with a step pattern a few months ago and came up with almost identical settings as 10k's except for his 10p white balance adjustment. So I trust his settings are dead on. It also goes to show how close default Movie Mode is and how bad Standard Mode is. Movie is just a little too blue on default and it's really obvious once you start watching black & white tv shows.

I will have to trust his settings for Colorspace as you can't eyeball them. They look great to me.

As for the basic settings, this is where I believe improvement can be made and as such I posted the settings I am currently using.

Does anyone know exactly what LED MOTION PLUS is supposed to do ? I had it set firmly on ON as it took away a bit of the LCD 'trailing' I noticed in fast pans, but since the latest firmware update, it actually is best set to OFF. WTF ??

1000
post #12439 of 16126
A bit more digging around with 10K's settings today. I backed off the color temp to Warm 1. It looks sublime with Bluray but a bit dim with my Apple TV which I use for Netflix and streaming AVIs. Makes me think I should bypass the my receiver and use a separate input for Apple TV and configure the picture separately.

1000
post #12440 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Does anyone know exactly what LED MOTION PLUS is supposed to do ? I had it set firmly on ON as it took away a bit of the LCD 'trailing' I noticed in fast pans, but since the latest firmware update, it actually is best set to OFF. WTF ??

1000

LED Motion Plus is a great feature the gives CRT/Plasma -like motion, while eliminating blur.

It also makes blacks darker without crush or loss of shadow detail.

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=161761
post #12441 of 16126
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

LED Motion Plus is a great feature the gives CRT/Plasma -like motion, while eliminating blur.

It also makes blacks darker without crush or loss of shadow detail.

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=161761

Wow lots of information on this site.. Most of the questions on this forum has answers there.. I also found this ..




Thanks Pirate..
post #12442 of 16126
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

...And you're right I'm sure there is more to it insofar as Samsung's proprietary picture improvements go. Such as a certain amount of noise reduction being on at all times, despite your settings, according to one review I read. And perhaps in Standard mode in which Micro Dimming is always on - it's really just a more subtle 1/2x the effect of Dynamic Contrast on Low (in combination with CE Dimming)

A few interesting things I found on Samsung's site:
Dynamic Contrast Ratio: Is a measurement of what the panel can produce with help from features like:
•Backlight diming.
•DNie (Digital Natural Image engine) Video processor.

This setting can be set to: Off, Low, Medium, and High. Setting this option can enhance or degrade the picture. If the setting is set too high it can "crush" the blacks making them darker than they should be. If not set high enough the blacks and other colors may appear to light or washed out


And this article from 2003 speaking about their DNie processing in its infancy (sound similar to Micro Dimming anyone? smile.gif )

DNIe technology optimizes the moving picture image and color, while the contrast ratio and fine details are amplified. These four processes automatically and precisely capture broadcast signals in all formats, from analog to high definition. This high clarity, high detail image technology provides the best possible picture quality under all conditions

Last but not least, this explains the noise reduction being on at all times (at least in Standard Mode)

DNIe, or Digital Natural Image engine, is a “natural image” technology introduced by Samsung in 2003. Originally developed as part of a concerted effort by Samsung to improve television picture quality on non-high-definition-televisions, the DNIe chip is now used in Samsung's plasma and high definition televisions (HDTV). DNIe makes input signals sharper, clearer and more lifelike. Its advanced image processors help to create true-to-life colors and high contrast, while pretty much eliminating digital artifacts.

http://www.samsung.com/us/news/newsRead.do?news_seq=1861
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00000585&fm_seq=58597
http://www.birds-eye.net/definition/acronym/?id=1186098127

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Originally Posted by sympathetik View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

LED Motion Plus is a great feature the gives CRT/Plasma -like motion, while eliminating blur.

It also makes blacks darker without crush or loss of shadow detail.

http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=161761

Wow lots of information on this site.. Most of the questions on this forum has answers there.. I also found this ..




Thanks Pirate..

Great stuff, guys, I meant to comment on gamermwm's findings as well, then it got buried; all great finds!
post #12443 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

...Here's a benefit that I didn't know about until I tried it - - the "Zoom" feature. If you try the "Zoom" feature from the TV - - it's not proportionate, aspect ratio wise, with one to one pixel mapping. For 2.40:1 movies (like Skyfall) I was able to use the 1.2x "Zoom" feature to provide just a little bigger picture - - still with bars, but about two inches top and bottom versus four inches top and bottom - - and it makes for a much more enjoyable viewing experience. The picture was still razor sharp. Now some folks are purists and would not do this - - and I understand their point. But I enjoyed having the extra screen "real estate" without the degradation of the picture or aspect ratio. Good show!!!...
I don't understand what you're referring to as the the 1.2X Zoom feature. Is there a way to fit 1.85 or 2.35 into 16X9 without stretch? Using Pic Size button on remote to "zoom in" on BluRay to fill the screen better results in stretch distortion for me.
Edited by SoundofMind - 2/17/13 at 8:18am
post #12444 of 16126
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

I don't understand what you're referring to as the the 1.2X Zoom feature. Is there a way to fit 1.85 or 2.35 into 16X9 without stretch? Using Pic Size button on remote to "zoom in" on BluRay to fill the screen better results in stretch distortion for me. Is there a way to fit 1.85 or 2.35 into 16X9 without stretch?

Short answer - - no. What I was trying to explain is that OPPO's version of "Zoom and Aspect Ratio" control is different than the "Picture Size or P.Size" function that I have on my Samsung remote. (UN65ES8000 - - 65" screen size)

On a Bluray movie - - and for 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 material (letterbox - the infamous black bars or mattes) - - if I try to stretch the image using the Samsung remote - - it looks terrible. But, using the 1.2x "Zoom" function of the OPPO player yielded a bigger picture without the PQ degradation compared to the "PSize" function on my Samsung remote.

I suspect that the OPPO has a better way of handling one to one and proportionate pixel mapping versus a general "stretch" mode employed by the Samsung TV. For me, the picture was just as clear - - but with only two inch black bars (top and bottom) as opposed to four inch black bars - top and bottom. It might not sound like much (that's what she said!) but it really made for a more enjoyable viewing experience - - the top and bottom small bars virtually melted into the surround black border of my 65" set. And since the blacks have been so good, lately, with the firmware update, it was almost hard to distinguish between the black, black border and the bars themselves!

If you have a projector with a "Memory Lens" function - - you'd save the 2.35:1 setting and basically it zooms in and spills the black bars onto the masking area. That's how I understand it is accomplished.

Even if you have a Cinemascope screen (2.35 or 2.40 to 1 ratio) - - you still will have to zoom in to totally get rid of the black bars. Some folks use an Anamorphic lens - - but that's all projector stuff - - something I wish I could have but my space limitations make it difficult. Hence, my appreciation of the OPPO BDP 103 player's ability to squeeze a little more screen real estate out on a 16 X 9 TV without degrading the picture quality.
post #12445 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Short answer - - no. What I was trying to explain is that OPPO's version of "Zoom and Aspect Ratio" control is different than the "Picture Size or P.Size" function that I have on my Samsung remote. (UN65ES8000 - - 65" screen size)...

Ahhh, thnx, I get it now. I have the same 65/8000 and the stretch mode in the TV does look terrible. Good thing there's so much real estate, I really don't need to Zoom. I was watching the second Sherlock movie Game of Shadows on BluRay and then came across it on attuverse, box set to output 16X9 1080i-it fills the screen with no stretch. I believe they crop it so you lose some of the director's intended content but it looks quite good.

I thought I recalled a Zoom sometime somewhere, and now that you mention it, it was probably on an Oppo when I had one. I'll check out the settings options on my Denon and Samsung players.
post #12446 of 16126
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Originally Posted by RaylanGivens1 View Post

Movie Mode Settings (Dim Room/Dark Room)


Backlight- 5
Contrast- 95
Brightness- 42
Sharpness- 0
Color- 48
Tint - 0/0

Advanced Settings:

Gamma- " -1 "
Black Enhancer - On (Preference)

White Balance:
*see notes

Color Space:
**see notes

everything else default.

Picture Options:

Color Tone- Warm 2
Dig. Noise Filter- Auto
MPEG Noise Filter- Auto
Auto Motion Plus- Clear (Preference)
LED Motion Plus- On (Preference)

I promise you that with those settings you are crushing the hell out of your black details.
post #12447 of 16126
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Ah, but have you done a factory reset since your TV updated?

I wish everyone would just stop with the factory reset BS... there is no proof this does anything at all and advising to reset their settings every time there's an update is a waste of time.

Show me proof this does anything with regard to the updates or else please don't post assumptions......
post #12448 of 16126
Is anyone else's tv going crazy right now?
post #12449 of 16126
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

I wish everyone would just stop with the factory reset BS... there is no proof this does anything at all and advising to reset their settings every time there's an update is a waste of time.

Show me proof this does anything with regard to the updates or else please don't post assumptions......

Isn't that an assumption on the other side of the topic? No one knows for sure whether this does any good or not. Now that I have a meter I'll be checking my readings on the new FW updates against the old, before and after the reset. We should be able to get some good solid proof one way or the other. There have been more than a couple of people, myself included, that could tell a definite change after the factory reset compared to before. That's my opinion though and until I can meter check these things, there is no proof.

It makes sense to me that a factory reset on some, not all firmware updates could make a difference. My thoughts are that when Samsung makes changes in the firmware that are meant for improving picture quality, they are simply modifying the default settings file that's stored on the main board. This is the default settings for the backend picture adjustments, not the user adjustments. It's possible that the firmware update itself is not going to actually do anything regarding the picture quality other than changing the values in that file, but the old default settings are still active on the TV, making no change. Performing a factory reset would overwrite the old active settings with the new updated settings making them the new and active settings that the TV is using. Is that what's actually happening? I don't know yet, but it makes perfect sense and is a possibility.
post #12450 of 16126
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Ah, but have you done a factory reset since your TV updated?

I wish everyone would just stop with the factory reset BS... there is no proof this does anything at all and advising to reset their settings every time there's an update is a waste of time.

Show me proof this does anything with regard to the updates or else please don't post assumptions......
Admittedly, I was asking to find out , however, my question was mostly sarcastic. Besides, there was another member here who suggested the service menu settings weren't being reset after an update until a factor reset was performed. Sorry, I'm on my phone right now, otherwise I would find it.
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