Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 420

Hmmm, sorry if I'm missing something but why not play the sound of Netflix through your AVR instead of the TV speakers?

I bet the 105 is superb with music but the 103 is fantastic, as well! I listened to some old CD's (in 7.1 Extended Stereo) on my OPPO 103 and it was unreal! The DAC is excellent on the 103, as well.

$500 bucks for the 103 - $1,000 for the 105.

105 sounds amazing. My dad listens to his music through the Oppo that is then hooked to a separate amplifier for a pair of Dynaudio Sapphires he recently picked up. He played a bunch of high resolution tracks for me the other day when I was taking over one of the kids for dinner at his place. I can only dream of having that kind if spare cash for top of the line stuff like that.

I think the 105 is $1199. I'm sure the 103 sounds great, but the analog 2-ch stereo of the 105 is really at a level I never knew my system was capable of and from what I read in audiophile forums competes with 5K to 7K external DAC's. If you are not into analog audio there is no reason to go with the 105. Either way the OPPO BDP's are great players.
Edited by RickS - 2/20/13 at 4:16pm

damnit, its this statement right here that makes want to FML. It was my first choice. Without my sony, I lose amazon 5.1 audio :'(.

Thanks for the feedback Rick.

Is an Oppo better then a PS3?

I've been using that for my blus, and wouldn't mind a better video quality if it can be justified.

Au contraire, mon ami! I'm getting 5.1 audio - streaming Amazon Prime via ARC (hdmi2) and it works great from the Sammy set direct.

About the only thing negative I can say about the OPPO is no Amazon Prime streaming. They are in a pissing match with Amazon like Samsung was earlier. Cooler heads will prevail and eventually OPPO will have Amazon Prime streaming.

Hardware, 100%. And no, the EVO kit cannot fix flashlighting, banding, or clouding. Some people claim updates have improved these issues, but I have seen no evidence of that on my set.

It should, but who knows? I thought that was exactly what the point of the EVO kit was for in the first place - for upgrades. I don't care about app upgrades half as much as I care about things like this. If they have new software algorithms to help reduce crosstalk, they better include it in the EVO chip - otherwise what's the point? Personally, I don't think we should even need the EVO chip for that. If it can just be flashed via firmware, then why should we have to spend hundreds more just to get some improvements that could easily be sent over in a firmware update?

I saw a 3D demo last year for Panasonic, and they use a technology that I found very intriguing. They call it "3D motion remaster". They explain it here for those who haven't heard of it:

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/3d_motion_remaster/index.html

The idea is that active 3D has one significant issue regarding motion, and they explain it on the page I linked to. I've seen it a ton of times myself - when objects cross in front or behind each other horizontally, like in sports, it becomes a 3D mess and you can't tell at that instant who is in front or behind each other. Their technology corrects for that so that objects passing in front or behind other objects do not get confused, so you can clearly see who is in front of who without your eyes going crazy. This is particularly problematic with sports because of all the constant running back and forth in front of each other. The results I saw in the demo were very impressive, and did indeed correct that issue. In that regard it was a step above the Samsung's 3D, because Samsung suffers from that motion issue.

I'm wondering if Samsung is doing anything to address that in the new models, or are they just content leaving things as they are? They seem to be offering some crosstalk reduction this year, so it would be nice if they also address this motion issue. I can see that being one area where Panasonic was thinking clearly about 3D and it's limitations. I'd really like to see Samsung address that issue, but I wonder if that's protected by patents (probably). The Panasonic plasma I tried last year was awful with crosstalk, but their demo video I saw a while back showing the benefits of this technology definitely seemed promising. It was only a demo video, and I actually saw it on my Samsung, but the "simulated effect" was indeed effective at demonstrating the benefit, and I definitely see this issue in sports.

Not to steer off-topic, but I saw an LG set last year that was $999 cheaper on Amazon than at Best Buy! The same exact size and model set. I compared the two myself one day - both sites open in different tabs. Blu-rays are often quite a bit cheaper on Amazon than Best-Buy, but of course it depends on the title. TVs can definitely vary wildly in price. The return police will definitely not be good for tv buyers though. 15 days is a remarkably small window to thoroughly check out your tv and put it through its paces, especially if you need it delivered, which can take days, and the return policy starts from the date of purchase, not the date of delivery. If your set gets delivered 5 days after purchase, you now have 10 days left to check out your set fully before getting stuck with it.

AFAIK, when the player is acting like a transport reading a BluRay, any decent player should yield the same exc quality.

OTOH Oppos do excel at upconverting DVDs.

They also have nice analog audio sections, especially the >$1000 models.

True but any discussion that helps us enjoy our Sammy sets is helpful. And when you do find equipment or technology that improves your picture or viewing experience, I think it's worthwhile sharing.

Uh, no, but I do dig Kyra Sedgwick. Oops, off topic.

LOL, I am interested in reading about anything that may improve the picture on the 8000, as long as we aren't hijacked. Listen, all of us enthusiasts already know the OPPO 103 is killer. Its the SealTeam6 of bluray-DVD source components. Rico is god! I only wish I was budgeted for it when I bought the tv. I most likely will mid to later in the year.

LOL -actually, Eric Clapton is God! But he looks old on my Sammy ES8000.

Back on topic --which settings posted by Galonzo look best on Kate Upton?

Hi garnoch, I did mention on my 2nd post on the previous page that I don't want the avr to be on all day long as it consumes a lot of energy, and it is definitely an overkill for watching cartoons.

By analog audio do you mean any other than CD audio? Because I only play CDs (and very few of the DVD-audio discs) from my system . I have a separate audio stereo system that plays CDs from the other end of my living room. I don't use that much. Mostly I play via my iTunes and Apple TV and Apple audio stream.

My sister.

Well, pretty much anything or way you play your music sounds better with this player. I rip all my music in a bit perfect wave format and stream from a HTPC. The digital is converted to analog out to the amplifier. Every type of disk or format sounds better through the 105. Took this from OPPO site.

SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-105 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output. To learn more about the technologies behind the exceptional performance of the SABRE DAC, please read the SABRE Technical White Paper.

OK, back to real ES8000 talk.
I checked some calibrations, and results were different from what I originally posted (see link in my signature). I do not know what happened in between. After my original movie calibration, I had done a Standard calibration. Also I had been switching Color between Auto , Native and Custom. In the end, something was different in the color of Movie mode. Did I make an error in the original calibration? I do not know.
Anyway, I redid a full calibration of Movie picture mode. I will also update the link in my signature. In the update you will see a full mapping result of the color measurements.

Colors are good at 100% and 75% luminance. At 50% luminance, blue starts to behave with some stronger deviations (luminance at 25%-75% saturation is too high, at 100% too low).
At 25% luminance, errors become larger on more colors.

Overall, I calibrated the color settings keeping all luminances and saturations into account, with a priority for 75% and 100% saturation and luminance. There is nothing anymore I can do. The next level up would be a 125p calibration with an external video processor like a Radiance, at a cost well over 1000$.

I will also update the table from Galonzo/Canadian.

Yes, if the evo kit would allow it i totally agree that they could do what LG did & for me would make getting the evo kit worth it.
Yea, the crosstalk in gaming can definitely be improved, i hope samsung comes out with a TV that has both active & passive 3D since passive looks really damn good for gaming.
Any1 think samsung might make a series with both active/passive 3D?
i forget who switched over from active to passive in 2012 for their lcd panna ? sony?

Unfortunately, on my panel the Radiance would not help since I can not do anything with the under saturated blue. The VP can dial in over saturation but can't add. I had my dealer checking on the Radiance XS-3D price today for me and I may be adding to my projector but the 60ES8000 is as good as it gets unless there is a way to dial in the blue/red in service menu. It is very close and does look very good with my last calibration.

The longer i wait the more i think the evo kit is just a $$$ grab smart hub upgrade.
upgrading my TV to 2013 means better PQ, less cross talk & higher CMR value & not smart hub features that FREELY are upgraded on xbox,ps3 & PC.
i am starting to think this evo kit stuff is just going to be dropped all together in another yr.

I hope this includes less 3D crosstalk & CMR 1200, if so, sign me up, getting it forsure.

I guess it depends on the AVR, mine is low end 5.1 pioneer & i don't think it has any video processing.I got it mainly as an upgrade to my gaming logitech z5500 system.
some1 want to donate a nice AVR &/or blue ray player ?