Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 426

Hello Turboman,
I am still working on calibrating standard mode but I thought I would try and investigate the "twist". I have done a pretty good grayscale calibration using 10% APL patterns and have also set brightness high and offsets low to try and defeat CE dimming. Here are my CIE results cie charts (Click to show) Here are the settings for each of those sets of results, you will note all white balance etc is same and only color settings have changed standard 100lum calibrated settings (Click to show) standard 75lum calibrated settings (Click to show) standard calibrated for 100pc lum.zip 5k .zip file
Some general notes about standard mode:
Blue push: I am seeing the same blue push that Jestered was showing last week or so. To combat that I had to raise green gain in white balance and lower blue gain to 1. I kept raising green gain until blue stopped clipping. This caused overall clipping though and I had to lower contrast to 75.
CE Dimming: Based on prsut (?) method I tried to get a more calibrated approach using 10% APL patterns. I set brightness at 55 and worked from there, leading to white balance offsets of 12 13 12. I watched some of the darker scenes in skyfall and it doesnt look like black is crushing and also I don't notice CE dimming so yay.

Unfortunately I am having trouble getting accuracy at all saturations across 100 and 75 luminance. The HCFR workflow is hampering me here and I am not sure it is worth it since I already greatly enjoy Movie mode and I have a near perfect calibration there. With backlight at 14 in standard mode it does make a good daytime viewing mode. I may just set CMS to Auto and be done with it and use standard w/o CE dimming for daytime viewing and sports.
Edited by 10k - 2/24/13 at 12:39pm

Give contrast at 100 a shot, movie mode doesnt clip even with contrast at 100 across all the panels people have measured here so bumping it up should be win/win for you.
Try "black enhancer" set to "on". I noticed that it does help out a little with the clouding in movie mode and doesn't appear to crush blacks at all.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but does this mean are there different screen options for the ES8000 then?

I have had 2 of the HS01 panels, maybe I should try a TS01 with the possibility it may be better that what I have??

Checked to see which ES8000 spec's produced the worst conditions in terms of clouding/bleed and vertical banding. To my surprise, I have both - 65 inch and MH02 panel. I went to check some of the pics that owners uploaded of the vertical banding and it definitely looked bad in some of the images.

But to my amazement, the banding I was seeing wasn't from the uploaded images, it was from my own screen.
here's a full screen pink jpeg


But it's really noticeable in dim movie scenes.


So what would bother you more? My unit's clouding or the vertical banding?



The vertical banding is so bad, I can see it as I write this message.

For anyone curious, BB will price match the 1950$ for the ES8000+Galaxy Tab 2.0 deal from tigerdirect.

TS01 is the 55". Someone mentioned they got a TS02 55". The different size ES8000's are all different panels and even manufactured by different companies. I dont think there's much room to shop around for a specific panel. In general the 65" are more susceptible to banding, especially compared to the 60"

A 65 with no banding? groundbreaking I read somewhere about someone with the same semicircle issue, I think it was a fault and had to be returned.

Whats the semi-cirlcle issue ? My 24 hr old 65ES already has severe clouding and banding, let's see if I can go 3 for 3 and get a trifecta.

A semicircle shadow on the screen beneath the camera, photos were posted, can't reacall whether it was on this or the UK forum. Your photos look poor, get it returned.

Hello all, I've updated the spreadsheet recently (mainly to add 10k's latest movie settings for my own personal convenience, thanks 10k )

I removed the 3D row, so if anyone would like to share their 3D settings (or if anyone ever does a 3D calibration), they can just put it in parentheses with the picture mode used; so for example "Movie (3D)".

Thank you everyone!

turboman123,

Thank you for updating your settings in the spreadsheet, I added your settings back into the "Master" sheet as well as the "55" sheet; and like I said previously, you can only worry about updating your settings in the "Calibrated" sheet if you prefer. I'm still contemplating keeping the different size sheets, as they were added for easier comparison among similar-sized panels.

Also, I noticed your Movie setting for Magenta-Blue says 46 in the spreadsheet, but you have 44 in your post here?

Bladerunner 1959 - each TV is different. The last couple of months -- I've been able to use "Default" settings with some tweaks. This is the first time I've really used "Movie" mode 90% of the time. And I'm sure the firmware update has something to do with it.

I tried a couple of the "calibrated" settings and I can't get them to look good on my TV. Maybe it's due to the Pioneer SC 65 Marvell processsing. Or it could be my 65" panel - - I'm not sure, but I get better results tweaking the "Default" options.

Just got back from shoveling out of our blg snowstorm here in Colorado. First cocktail in hand. I'm watching Palladia - The Doors at the Hollywood Bowl - 1968. Yeah, Zombie, I know they're old! But they were young when they recorded this - - and it's a great soundtrack - - with my center CC690 and ADP 590's struttin their stuff.

Looking forward to the Oscars tonight. Cheers to everyone!

I'm curious how colour 50 works because according to the AVS 709 colour clipping test patterns.... red and blue has no flashing bars. To see the bars flashing the colour has to come down to 35... whats with that?

Rico, what color are you using...standard, warm1 or warm2 on your movie mode?

try reducing contrast instead. If a specific color is clipping after you reduce contrast then you can go into white balance and move one of the gains down a notch

you guys!... i am about to become a new owner of a 60es8000. after struggling with the infamous green halo, ghosting effect on the 60es6500, i went back to the store and was going to get a GT50 or E7000, but the wife really likes the look the LED produces, i bit the bullet and upgraded to the es8000, which will be delivered to my house in two days. i was able to get the store to price match, and got the 60 inch set for just a hair over $2200.

1. question is, how does Micro Dimming work on this set, how can i enable it, or disable it. i am excited about this feature and would like to know how i can control it. my previous understanding is that Standard mode has this feature enable, while Movie mode disables this feature. is there a specific setting i can set in the picture menu control to enable or disable this feature?

2. are people mainly using Movie mode on this set? or are people satisfied with standard mode.

Blade, here's his post describing how he arrived at his latest settings

Interesting. Neat! I must remember that next time. So always try and keep colour at 50 then?

Thanks Galonzo....just wanna reconfirm color tone cuz default in movie mode is warm2. I actually do like his movie mode and need to evaluate tonight after wifey goes upstairs....

Unless you have a meter you'll need to set color and tint using the test pattern that has the flashing boxes and it will say "color" and "tint" on the color bars. Play that test pattern and go into the "Advanced Settings" and enable the blue mode so the screen is only showing blue colors. You'll notice those flashing boxes are not exactly the same color/tint as the rest of the picture. You'll use the "Color" setting until that flashing box for color blends in with the rest of the bar. You'll do the same thing for tint. They both affect the other, so do the color setting first, then do tint, then go back to color and tweak it and do the same for tint. Keep doing that until you don't need to adjust either of them any more. At that point your color and tint is set about as good as you can get it without a calibration meter.

All the calibration settings you'll find here don't set color and tint using those controls because we're doing it in the more advanced section of the settings. You can't really use that without a meter though. So, if you don't have a meter, you don't want color and tint to be set at 50 unless that's where they happen to end up after doing what I explained above.
Edited by Jestered - 2/24/13 at 4:43pm

Hey 10k, your latest Movie Mode settings are amazing, even better than the last ones you posted (I actually liked the first and the third ones posted much better than the 2nd revision)
As for your Standard settings, I am definitely going to give them a try in the next week or so. One thing though, can you please do a calibration for Standard mode without the CE dimming workaround? It seems that most of the people bothered by it have the 7500 model. I actually don't mind it at all, I see the merits of it and always enable it in movie mode via the Black Enhancer option. Thanks for your time and effort as always. Take care

Spreadsheet was correct. I updated the post. Thanks.

I try and keep and eye on 10% and 20% when settings offsets at 30%. It seems +/-1pt movements in the 10pt balances really move the measurement quite a lot at 10% and 20% brightness so just setting 30% only and hoping that 10 and 20 work ok w/ 10pt hasnt worked well for me. All that said, in my current Movie mode settings I've got avg dE on grayscale of 1.08 but 10% brightness dE is 2.9.

10k, would you mind adding your findings for these settings to your original settings post? I find myself searching for the quoted post to recall what you said about them as I try various settings
Edited by galonzo - 2/24/13 at 8:21pm

Done

Can someone please explain how to view my tv on my iphone? I downloaded the smartview app, but can't seem to get it to use the dual view. It controls most other functions.

I know it used to work because I tested it back when I first got the TV. I just tried it again and it doesn't work. The remote and everything else works, but not the dual view feature. I guess they need to update the app.

Thanks Jestered!