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post #12931 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Yes and no. How's that for a political answer!

For the most part, the "Movie" settings I use are "Default" - - but I've made the following changes (but not "Custom" color changes or White Balance, etc.)

Backlight - 10
Contrast - 90
Brightness - 45
Sharpness - 35 (down to 20, sometimes - - I just like a sharper image - - like "Standard" but with more shadow detail)

Color Space - Auto
Color Tone - Standard
AMP - Standard or Clear - - currently Standard but either one works for me

No other processing. Everything else is "Default."

This has yielded a great picture on my Sammy 65" in conjunction with my video processing (Marvell QDEO) via my Pioneer SC65 AVR.

This may be simple and not calibrated but I assure you, the picture is drop dead gorgeous.

This is also a dramatic change from the "Default" settings that were initially on the TV when I purchased it back in August, 2012. (At least the picture rendered from the settings)

I changed my MOVIE setting to those. Not bad. I kicked the brightness up a couple more, and it does give me a nice picture. Not quite the "pop" I like, but pretty good. I will try it later on a Blu-Ray. Its on Married to the Mob on cable, HD at the moment.
post #12932 of 16126
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

I changed my MOVIE setting to those. Not bad. I kicked the brightness up a couple more, and it does give me a nice picture. Not quite the "pop" I like, but pretty good. I will try it later on a Blu-Ray. Its on Married to the Mob on cable, HD at the moment.

Zombie.... When you try using a bluray, go out and get a copy of Skyfall or Samara and you will really see the major difference Rico describes.
post #12933 of 16126
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

sounds like you got a lesser than average set, sorry to hear that.

People in this forum know how much I liked the ES8000 despite its flaws, so do not mistake my comments as ES8000 bashing. But if you really think the "out of the box" settings on your ES8000 are great, then you should see the 65VT50 and/or 65HX950 out of the box. The Panasonic's THX mode can not be touched by the ES8000 "factory settings" nor can they match the Sony's Cinema Scene Select settings either.

Perhaps your set does perform better than just about every other person's set in this thread out of the box, but I have a feeling its more of a case of only having a comparison to an older lesser TV that you upgraded from than being able to compare head to head against the other flagship models.
post #12934 of 16126
Since I have the CalDay and CalNight modes enabled on my TV, I decided to calibrate one of those modes to see if there was any benefit over Movie mode calibration. I figured since those two modes are there for actual calibration, that I would probably see a difference somewhere. Interesting findings:

*The CalDay and CalNight modes appear to be nothing more than extra Movie modes.
*Everything calibrated exactly the same in Movie mode and the CalNight mode except for White Balance and 10P settings, but were similar with a strange oddity.
*My 10P settings in CalNight mode were basically reversed compared to Movie mode. What I mean by that is if Movie mode had an interval setting of 0,0,-1, CalNight mode was at 0,0,+1 for the same interval. Weird.

The thing that really worked out with this comparison is that the Cal mode is directly below Movie mode when changing between the two, so I didn't have to cycle through another mode to compare the two. Also, there was no black screen in between the change in modes, so it was very easy to tell if there was any real difference when comparing the two. When I cycled between the two modes there was absolutely no difference in the picture or quality of the picture. It looked as if I didn't change anything at all even though I was switching between modes.

So, if anyone is interested, or was wondering if using one of the Cal modes would produce better results, it doesn't. They both appear equally awesome! Apparently, to me, the Cal modes are just more Movie modes with different names.
post #12935 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Zombie.... When you try using a bluray, go out and get a copy of Skyfall or Samara and you will really see the major difference Rico describes.

I have Skyfall. I just watched the motorcycle chase. It seems to have a "haze" to it with his settings. I don't like that. I prefer my lightly tweaked Standard. I like a crisper picture.

That said, his settings are not hideous. A definite improvement over "stock" movie mode.

And yes, Skyfall is awesome as a reference.
post #12936 of 16126
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

I have Skyfall. I just watched the motorcycle chase. It seems to have a "haze" to it with his settings. I don't like that. I prefer my lightly tweaked Standard. I like a crisper picture.

That said, his settings are not hideous. A definite improvement over "stock" movie mode.

And yes, Skyfall is awesome as a reference.

Skyfall - - definite reference Bluray disc - - superb sound editing, too!

One comment on picture settings - - I do not think the 65, 60 and 55 are all "uniform" when it comes to picture display. I can't prove it but it seems that folks get different results from "Default" settings on various sets. Combine this with any AVR processing and signal source and you can see the potential for multiple variations (experiences) with the same settings being used by different members with different sets.
post #12937 of 16126
Thanks Galonzo!
post #12938 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Skyfall - - definite reference Bluray disc - - superb sound editing, too!

One comment on picture settings - - I do not think the 65, 60 and 55 are all "uniform" when it comes to picture display. I can't prove it but it seems that folks get different results from "Default" settings on various sets. Combine this with any AVR processing and signal source and you can see the potential for multiple variations (experiences) with the same settings being used by different members with different sets.

Add to the fact that they each use different panels as well, definitely lots of variables involved.
post #12939 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

The thing that really worked out with this comparison is that the Cal mode is directly below Movie mode when changing between the two, so I didn't have to cycle through another mode to compare the two. Also, there was no black screen in between the change in modes, so it was very easy to tell if there was any real difference when comparing the two. When I cycled between the two modes there was absolutely no difference in the picture or quality of the picture. It looked as if I didn't change anything at all even though I was switching between modes.
This is almost enough to make me open up the service menu. I have been staying out of the service menu as it is a bit of a pandora's box; my curiousity would surely get the better of me with all those new options available smile.gif

I do get annoyed having to scroll past "natural" though when doing A/B comparisons between Standard and Movie mode settings smile.gif
post #12940 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

People in this forum know how much I liked the ES8000 despite its flaws, so do not mistake my comments as ES8000 bashing. But if you really think the "out of the box" settings on your ES8000 are great, then you should see the 65VT50 and/or 65HX950 out of the box. The Panasonic's THX mode can not be touched by the ES8000 "factory settings" nor can they match the Sony's Cinema Scene Select settings either.

Perhaps your set does perform better than just about every other person's set in this thread out of the box, but I have a feeling its more of a case of only having a comparison to an older lesser TV that you upgraded from than being able to compare head to head against the other flagship models.

again with the assumptions.

do what best suits your eyes, as i don't presume you the drive your car the same way that i drive mine. but if you're comparing to the picture quality of a high end Plasma, or a much more expensive SONY LCD that costs twice more, that's a pretty poor argument to bring to the table.

for $2200 i am pretty damn happy with what i get out of the box without too much tinkering. and the data online seem to back it up. but like i said, it's your tv, whatever rocks your boat and makes you happy.
post #12941 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Skyfall - - definite reference Bluray disc - - superb sound editing, too!

One comment on picture settings - - I do not think the 65, 60 and 55 are all "uniform" when it comes to picture display. I can't prove it but it seems that folks get different results from "Default" settings on various sets. Combine this with any AVR processing and signal source and you can see the potential for multiple variations (experiences) with the same settings being used by different members with different sets.

That is a good point. I'm always watching through either an Oppo-103 or a Marantz SR7007 and their respective processors. I never go straight to the tv.
post #12942 of 16126
Hey 10k!

Tried it out and it has 0% influence on RGB settings when contrast is set to 100% and measuring on Gray 100% (white). No matter what I do I get measurement 75%/100/75% on RGB if Contrast is set to 100. I can max out all RGB Gains, 10p points, change WP Reference...it doesn't change! Also raising or changing Backlight has no influence. Changing the Contrast down does have immediate effect thus.

Is there any chance I have meter issues (Pantone Huey), like maxing out (to bright)?

Also to note in Service menu under WB settings I have Sub Brightness - 128 and Sub Contrast - 134 (didn't touch those, just to notice).

UPDATE: Seems this is normal thing that can happen quoting GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES:

The only solution if you run out of red in at 90/100 IRE is to turn down your contrast. While displaying the 100 IRE pattern (see Part 4: Setting White Level) take continuous measurements and keep lowering the contrast until the x value (red) reads 0.313 or stops dropping. This will be the highest you can run your contrast and maintain a correct amount of red output in relation to green and blue.
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Hi there, have you changed the HCFR white point reference away from 6500k to whatever Warm1 corresponds to? If not, you are trying to calibrate 6500k using Warm1 which is probably more like 7500-8000k. If that is the problem then it makes sense that you would run out of red gain trying to get to 6500k whitepoint. Try using Warm2 instead, or if you don't like Warm2, measure color temperature using default white point settings in warm1 and change the whitepoint reference in HCFR to match.

Edited by alien2108 - 2/28/13 at 4:09am
post #12943 of 16126
Galonzo and Freelemur, I am still on my own Standard mode settings that were added to the sheet. I still need to tweak Rico's fine movie mofe on my panel to see if I can get proper results. I think he had a ginormous 65" and I am slumdogging with a 60".
post #12944 of 16126
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

again with the assumptions.

do what best suits your eyes, as i don't presume you the drive your car the same way that i drive mine. but if you're comparing to the picture quality of a high end Plasma, or a much more expensive SONY LCD that costs twice more, that's a pretty poor argument to bring to the table.

for $2200 i am pretty damn happy with what i get out of the box without too much tinkering. and the data online seem to back it up. but like i said, it's your tv, whatever rocks your boat and makes you happy.

My point exactly. You can't compare with a high end plasma or twice the cost Sony out of the box, but with proper calibration it comes real close.

I'm glad you are happy with your set and despite what you may believe there is no data that supports your claim that the ES8000 is superior to the other sets out of the box. If I recall, cnet gave it a less than stellar review.
Edited by cmay91472 - 2/27/13 at 2:14pm
post #12945 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

My point exactly. You can't compare with a high end plasma or twice the cost Sony out of the box, but with proper calibration it comes real close.

I'm glad you are happy with your set and despite what you may believe there is no data that supports your claim that the ES8000 is superior to the other sets out of the box. If I recall, cnet gave it a less than stellar review.

i never said better than the other sets, i think that's what you think i said.

what i said, and posted the review was that online reviews published their data seem to back up that pre-calibration seem to be pretty close to reference compare to most LCDs that's been reviewed. now obviously the most high end SONY HX950 or a high end Plasma like the VT isn't part of the most.

we seem to disagree on the above, but what we seem to agree on is that we like our sets. just the matter of how we use them.
post #12946 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

This is almost enough to make me open up the service menu. I have been staying out of the service menu as it is a bit of a pandora's box; my curiousity would surely get the better of me with all those new options available smile.gif

I do get annoyed having to scroll past "natural" though when doing A/B comparisons between Standard and Movie mode settings smile.gif

Definitely enable those! I can't tell you how much it has helped to open up the 2 additional ISF slots on my vt50 to sit along side my custom slot. Being able to compare 3 calibrators settings is a thing of beauty not to mention having software that lets me adjust all settings from my computer and send them to the tv in one click.
post #12947 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Definitely enable those! I can't tell you how much it has helped to open up the 2 additional ISF slots on my vt50 to sit along side my custom slot. Being able to compare 3 calibrators settings is a thing of beauty not to mention having software that lets me adjust all settings from my computer and send them to the tv in one click.

I have no ISF modes to unlock sadly. mad.gif
post #12948 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I have no ISF modes to unlock sadly. mad.gif

be content, you have the best implementation of dynamic led control that I've ever seen available on the market today. Its done so well that I think even the calibrators will leave it on when they adjust your set from what I've seen of some user's that have had the pros come out.
post #12949 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

be content, you have the best implementation of dynamic led control that I've ever seen available on the market today. Its done so well that I think even the calibrators will leave it on when they adjust your set from what I've seen of some user's that have had the pros come out.
During adjustment or after? I find that even when using apl patterns like the plasma guys that the dynamic features mess with readings too much for me to do an effective calibration with them on. I'm very much an amateur though so my workflow is probably lacking in that regard
post #12950 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

FWIW, from a reliable poster on the UK site:

"Ok guys, some official info for the more curious among you.

1) The final release version of EK will be a few cm thick and is designed to fit with wall mounted setups.
What was shown at CES was an engineering prototype.

2) The new "F" series will use the same LCD panels as the current "E" series.

3) An ES8000 + EK = F8000.

4) There's a big screen OLED in the works coming after the F series"

If this is true, that it is the same exact panel, sounds like cinema black is coming back smile.gif


According to the guys over at Value Electronics #2 above is not true for the US market. I've been told by VE that Samsung is going to use a new panel for the F8000.

The guys at Value Electronics seem to be reliable and know their stuff and I can't see a reason they would mislead me.

We'll know for sure when they start shipping....
post #12951 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

During adjustment or after? I find that even when using apl patterns like the plasma guys that the dynamic features mess with readings too much for me to do an effective calibration with them on. I'm very much an amateur though so my workflow is probably lacking in that regard

I've only seen the after settings so I do not know how they incorporated it into their workflow, or whether it was just enabled at the very end. I remember being skeptical of the user's calibrator though because it was enabled in the settings and most dynamic options are total garbage for overall PQ and can only work well 'sometimes'. But when I checked the calibrator out and he was both ISF and THX certified and he had all the crazy expensive equipment so he looked good to me.
post #12952 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

According to the guys over at Value Electronics #2 above is not true for the US market. I've been told by VE that Samsung is going to use a new panel for the F8000.

The guys at Value Electronics seem to be reliable and know their stuff and I can't see a reason they would mislead me.

We'll know for sure when they start shipping....

As if Samsung hasn't confused us enough with different panels in different sizes within the same line, now they are going to use different panels for different countries within the same size model itself. I'd be awfully mad if I was a European consumer buying a Samsung.
post #12953 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

According to the guys over at Value Electronics #2 above is not true for the US market. I've been told by VE that Samsung is going to use a new panel for the F8000.

The guys at Value Electronics seem to be reliable and know their stuff and I can't see a reason they would mislead me.

We'll know for sure when they start shipping....

+1
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Is that even truly 4k? I thought 4k was supposed to be 2x 1080p (4x the pixels). 3420x2160 is only 4x 1710x1080 :/
post #12956 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Is that even truly 4k? I thought 4k was supposed to be 2x 1080p (4x the pixels). 3420x2160 is only 4x 1710x1080 :/

The math didn't make sense to me either, but what I do know is 3420x2160 is the current 4K standard even if the math doesn't add up. I guess the marketing folks realized calling it 3.75K wouldn't have the same ring to it as 4K.
post #12957 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Is that even truly 4k? I thought 4k was supposed to be 2x 1080p (4x the pixels). 3420x2160 is only 4x 1710x1080 :/

I have know Idea, I just saw the price and thought WTF

Im going to have to work quite a bit of overtime...lol
post #12958 of 16126
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

I have know Idea, I just saw the price and thought WTF

Im going to have to work quite a bit of overtime...lol
Yea no worries I'll just sell my car for a TV lol
post #12959 of 16126

If they can't make a panel uniform for 65 inches how can they possibly do it for 84? The amount of pixels isnt the issue IMO.
post #12960 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

According to the guys over at Value Electronics #2 above is not true for the US market. I've been told by VE that Samsung is going to use a new panel for the F8000.
We'll know for sure when they start shipping....
That may be so, but does it really matter ? They still will be edge lit and NOT local dimming.
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