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post #12961 of 16125
Hey guys, I was wanting an opinion. Is there a major difference between picture quality between the D8000 and ES8000? I am trying to hold off till the F8000 comes out but the UN60ES8000 price drop is looking good and don't really want to invest in the same technology my UN55D8000 I have. I love the TV don't get me wrong but if the picture quality is much improved over the D8000, then I might have to bite on these clearance deals for the ES8000. THANKS!
post #12962 of 16125
Here is my recent update with samsung support. I was getting some freaky screen colors and power recycling, freezing, strange colors and repeating. Obviously from other members my board needs to be replaced. This shouldn't be too big a deal? So after some runaround, they tell me there is no ASC in my area. So they ask me to take my 60"ES8000 to Edmonton, a mere 3 hours away. I tell them that is not an option as I do not have a vehicle large enough, nor am I comfortable transporting it. Then they offer me a full refund. So I ask how I would get that and what do I do with the tv. They say we will mail you a cheque and someone from samsung will come by to pick up the tv. WTF? Someone can come by to pick up the tv, but not repair it? Does this not make sense to anyone else? I then suggest if someone was able to pick it up that they could bring me a replacement. They didn't know if that was possible, but are looking into it and are going to get back to me. I really love this set and just want it to work as it should. Here is a litle taste of my video when it freaks out, which isn't often......yet, but has happened the last two Sundays in a row.
Sorry, I don't know how to make the video play here, but the links should work.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v426/terry1hockeyfan/?action=view&current=IMG_0582_zps1ba144a4.mp4

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v426/terry1hockeyfan/?action=view&current=IMG_0581_zpsc304db79.mp4
Edited by terry1hockeyfan - 2/28/13 at 4:46pm
post #12963 of 16125
I have a 60D8000 upstairs in my family room and a 60ES8000 downstairs. It isn't even close which set would go first if I had to get rid of one. The newer ES8000 would be out on the street. smile.gif I would wait for the "f" series myself but am not holding my breath.
Edited by RickS - 2/27/13 at 9:21pm
post #12964 of 16125
Hi. This is my first post, but I’ve been reading your thread for the past 2 months. It’s pretty interesting and I’ve enjoyed learning about this great TV, as well gaining a great appreciation for the technology and all your knowledge about it. I’d like to tap into your expertise if I may…

I’m the proud owner of the UN55ES8000 (FW 1046.2) and have a couple of days left before my 30 days with Amazon for a return is up. This PQ is simply amazing and I don’t regret my purchase for a minute. But, like many, I have an issue with clouding that is clearly visible when the screen is dark. I spoke with Samsung about it, but they acted like they never heard about this problem before (HA!). They suggested I set the backlight to 7 and leave it in Movie mode for 3 weeks, and it should clear itself up. Well, it’s been 2 weeks and there hasn’t really been any noticeable difference. And as one poster suggested, I put the TV flat on its face for a couple of hours and even loosened the screws slightly which helped, but it also seemed to shift the clouding around a little bit.

I tried taking some photos that shows the clouding is at its worst in the lower bottom left, center and right corner areas, but the photos don’t really do it any justice. I know clouding is a common “issue” with these LEDs and it’s pot luck whether you get a good screen, a bad screen or something in the middle. Can you please weigh in on how bad do you think the clouding is compared with your experiences? I have no real perspective here.

Clearly, the screen is not perfect but I don’t see any banding, dead pixels or other major problems that some of you have encountered. So, while I will have no problem exchanging it, I’m concerned I might wind up with a clearance TV that’s worse. My other option would be to keep it and see if it improves – if not, I can address it with Samsung during the warranty period.

A couple of questions for you guys.
- Is there always some degree of clouding with most LED screens and you just have to live with it?
- Can someone recommend settings and/or calibration that I can use to test the clouding in a best case vs. worst case scenario?
- Does anyone have any Amazon TV exchange success/failure stories that they haven’t already posted?
- Any other thoughts or suggestions on what I can do to help improve the uniformity?

Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Keep on posting….

adm



post #12965 of 16125
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Originally Posted by RickS View Post

I have a 60D8000 upstairs in my family room and a 60ES8000 downstairs. It isn't even close which set would go first if I had to get rid of one. The newer ES8000 would be out on the street. smile.gif I would wait for the "f" series myself but am not holding my breath.

Ok, thanks for he input! I will take that recommendation and wait. I love my D8000 and do not want to part for another tv that does not improve a significant amount on what I have picture quality wise.
post #12966 of 16125
Are there really that many bad ES8000's out there? I'm surprised, because mine is the nicest TV I've owned in close to 40 years of buying my own tv's. Its better than anything my neighbors and friends have, and they have some nice stuff.

Blu-Rays still make my jaw drop. And cable TV HD movies are pretty darned nice for what they are. HD sports, like the NBA and NHL are superb. I wish I would have had this TV for the NFL season. But baseball is almost here. That should be nice.
post #12967 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JSteel View Post

Hey guys, I was wanting an opinion. Is there a major difference between picture quality between the D8000 and ES8000? I am trying to hold off till the F8000 comes out but the UN60ES8000 price drop is looking good and don't really want to invest in the same technology my UN55D8000 I have. I love the TV don't get me wrong but if the picture quality is much improved over the D8000, then I might have to bite on these clearance deals for the ES8000. THANKS!

My father has the d8000 and its superior. I coudnt live with the es8000 and traded for the vt50. So I would wait IMO.
post #12968 of 16125
Hi

So after reading this thread from Page 399, (10K post) , I came to the conclusion that the brightness setting I thought was perfect using the AVS HD disk is probably not so perfect after all.

Currently it's set to 48 with Dark Tone (Low) on to get rid of the whitish tone on blacks. With Dark Tone off, I can see Black Level Bars 19 onwards. Bar 18 is barely visible (prob not at all). With Dark Tone Low on, Bar 19 disappears and 20 is just about visible. Black crush I know but i prefer the darker blacks.

Anyway's after reading a load of posts, decided Black Tone was not the way to go so lowered Brightness to 46 to get the same dark black. This time Bar 19 was visible on the APL Clipping albeit barely, Great I thought.

Except I then tried the Disney WOW brightness test. That's very dark and CE dimming kicks in. But the strange thing is the results were better with Brightness 48 and Dark Tone Low then with just Brightness 46!.

So it seems, that dark levels are better with Black Tone in the pure brightness tests (ie low light level) and worse in a mixed testt like APL Clipping. Confirmed that on the Disney Evaluation test.

Didnt have time to play more as was getting late and eyes were going funny.

Guess has to to with CE Dimming. Any thoughts?
post #12969 of 16125
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

Are there really that many bad ES8000's out there? I'm surprised, because mine is the nicest TV I've owned in close to 40 years of buying my own tv's. Its better than anything my neighbors and friends have, and they have some nice stuff.

Blu-Rays still make my jaw drop. And cable TV HD movies are pretty darned nice for what they are. HD sports, like the NBA and NHL are superb. I wish I would have had this TV for the NFL season. But baseball is almost here. That should be nice.

Count your blessings Zombie, just read back through out the thread. The ES8000 is perhaps the most returned TV out of all the flagship models due to Samsungs crappy quality control. If you get a good one, yes they are great. I personally exchanged 7 ES8000s for various manufacturing defects as dead pixels (4) banding (1) and 3D dead on arrival (2).
post #12970 of 16125
FYI... for those recent new owners wondering if they made the right choice with the ES8000 instead of waiting a few weeks for the F8000..... the 55F8000 official price for preorder to be shipped at the end of the month over at Curry's in the UK is $3800 US dollars. They don't have prices for the 60 or 65 yet, but they will probably be high as well. Whoever posted that the F8000 were going to be less than the initial ES8000 pricing was waaaaaaayyyyyyy off the mark on that one.
post #12971 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

FYI... for those recent new owners wondering if they made the right choice with the ES8000 instead of waiting a few weeks for the F8000..... the 55F8000 official price for preorder to be shipped at the end of the month over at Curry's in the UK is $3800 US dollars. They don't have prices for the 60 or 65 yet, but they will probably be high as well. Whoever posted that the F8000 were going to be less than the initial ES8000 pricing was waaaaaaayyyyyyy off the mark on that one.

The UK prices for the F8000's are exactly the same as the ES launch price last year so I'd expect the US to be the same as last year's prices too
post #12972 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

The UK prices for the F8000's are exactly the same as the ES launch price last year so I'd expect the US to be the same as last year's prices too

Arenaman, not totally surprised at the pricing at all as I've maintained all along prices would be the same at launch as they were last year. What I am surprised about is if the F8000 really is just a repackaged ES8000 with the Evo Kit and precision black with the same panels being used as your AV forum member TonyaNorway had posted, than I would have at least expected lower prices as someone who posted that Value Electronics (the vendor who does the flat panel shoot out here in the states) told them the F8000s would be alot less at launch. I guess what the fellows over at VE say is not the gospel afterall as some may try to lead us to believe. wink.gif
post #12973 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mombasa123 View Post

Hi

So after reading this thread from Page 399, (10K post) , I came to the conclusion that the brightness setting I thought was perfect using the AVS HD disk is probably not so perfect after all.

Currently it's set to 48 with Dark Tone (Low) on to get rid of the whitish tone on blacks. With Dark Tone off, I can see Black Level Bars 19 onwards. Bar 18 is barely visible (prob not at all). With Dark Tone Low on, Bar 19 disappears and 20 is just about visible. Black crush I know but i prefer the darker blacks.

Anyway's after reading a load of posts, decided Black Tone was not the way to go so lowered Brightness to 46 to get the same dark black. This time Bar 19 was visible on the APL Clipping albeit barely, Great I thought.

Except I then tried the Disney WOW brightness test. That's very dark and CE dimming kicks in. But the strange thing is the results were better with Brightness 48 and Dark Tone Low then with just Brightness 46!.

So it seems, that dark levels are better with Black Tone in the pure brightness tests (ie low light level) and worse in a mixed testt like APL Clipping. Confirmed that on the Disney Evaluation test.

Didnt have time to play more as was getting late and eyes were going funny.

Guess has to to with CE Dimming. Any thoughts?

I sounds like you're using Standard mode because of the CE Dimming. Look at my settings in the spreadsheet or from the link in my signature that counteracts CE Dimming, if that's the route you'd like to go. I can easily just tell you the way I'm implementing it though. Raise your Brightness by 7 to 53 and counteract that by lowering all three of your White Balance Offsets by 7. You're picture will look the same but CE Dimming will hardly kick in because it uses Brightness as a threshold. Good luck!
post #12974 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Arenaman, not totally surprised at the pricing at all as I've maintained all along prices would be the same at launch as they were last year. What I am surprised about is if the F8000 really is just a repackaged ES8000 with the Evo Kit and precision black with the same panels being used as your AV forum member TonyaNorway had posted, than I would have at least expected lower prices as someone who posted that Value Electronics (the vendor who does the flat panel shoot out here in the states) told them the F8000s would be alot less at launch. I guess what the fellows over at VE say is not the gospel afterall as some may try to lead us to believe. wink.gif

I hear what you're saying, with regards to the same panels being used I'm not sure. The information coming from Tony may not be accurate, he does have a contact at Samsung and he knows his stuff I'm sure but whether the contact know what they're talking about is questionable. We'll just have to wait and see what the F8K and the Evo kit bring.
post #12975 of 16125
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Originally Posted by adifferencemakr View Post

A couple of questions for you guys.
- Is there always some degree of clouding with most LED screens and you just have to live with it?
- Can someone recommend settings and/or calibration that I can use to test the clouding in a best case vs. worst case scenario?
- Does anyone have any Amazon TV exchange success/failure stories that they haven’t already posted?
- Any other thoughts or suggestions on what I can do to help improve the uniformity?
Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Keep on posting….

Hi, welcome and congrats!
- Is there always some degree of clouding with most LED screens and you just have to live with it?
To some degree, I would say yes. Yours doesn't seem too bad to me and time has diminish it some for a lot of people.
- Can someone recommend settings and/or calibration that I can use to test the clouding in a best case vs. worst case scenario?
All I can say is try many people's settings to see what you like most. Standard will give you less noticeable clouding but does have it's issues as well. A lower backlight for dim lighting helps a lot too. If your lighting changes throughout the day, take advantage of the Eco Sensor.
- Does anyone have any Amazon TV exchange success/failure stories that they haven’t already posted?
Not I, but Amazon is very good with returns and exchanges.
- Any other thoughts or suggestions on what I can do to help improve the uniformity?
Read the Guide link in my signature and good luck!
post #12976 of 16125
I'm tossing around the idea of getting the Samsung KBD1500 and am reading very mixed reviews on it. It sounds like support for the keyboard is sparse with many of the apps. Does anyone have a list of which apps DO work with it? Is it worth it for the web browser alone?

Thanks
post #12977 of 16125
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Originally Posted by patterr View Post

I'm tossing around the idea of getting the Samsung KBD1500 and am reading very mixed reviews on it. It sounds like support for the keyboard is sparse with many of the apps. Does anyone have a list of which apps DO work with it? Is it worth it for the web browser alone?

Thanks
The browser on es8000 is terrible, I can't imagine a situation where I would ever want to use it, much less spend money on it.
post #12978 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

FYI... for those recent new owners wondering if they made the right choice with the ES8000 instead of waiting a few weeks for the F8000..... the 55F8000 official price for preorder to be shipped at the end of the month over at Curry's in the UK is $3800 US dollars. They don't have prices for the 60 or 65 yet, but they will probably be high as well. Whoever posted that the F8000 were going to be less than the initial ES8000 pricing was waaaaaaayyyyyyy off the mark on that one.

there is no way the price will be that high. i would say around $2700 or so.
post #12979 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Count your blessings Zombie, just read back through out the thread. The ES8000 is perhaps the most returned TV out of all the flagship models due to Samsungs crappy quality control. If you get a good one, yes they are great. I personally exchanged 7 ES8000s for various manufacturing defects as dead pixels (4) banding (1) and 3D dead on arrival (2).

OR...are there zillions of happy owners who dont post on here, because they are just enjoying their TV's? OR don't even know about AVS?

I find your comments hard to believe. Where are all the mainstream negative reviews? The positive reviews far outnumber the bad ones.

By and large, forums are where people come, looking for answers to problems, hence the number of negative posts is going to be skewed.
post #12980 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

it's not just Cnet, others too,
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue55es8000-ue46es8000-201205301790.htm?page=Calibration

either you see different colors, or you just don't really want to believe it.

i personally find the factory setting to be very pleasing, and with a few notches of adjustments it's perfect for me. although i don't have an expensive equipment to measure it, but my own eyes are my own expensive equipment. i work in the visual effects motion picture industry, i look at images everyday to make sure CG look as close to live action as possible, that mean color, saturation, and levels. so i would say my eyes are more trained than the average consumers. to me this TV is pretty damn accurate right out of the box if you bump the backlight down a couple notches, unlike the ES6500 which was over-saturated out of the box. personally i like to enjoy my movies with high contrast and bright levels, so at home i choose to bump up the backlight and up the dynamic contrast, because that's why i paid the few extra hundred bucks for, for the extra contrast and micro dimming. and it looks the most visually pleasing to me.
Now there's a post I like. The guy bought the TV because of the contrast and dimming and he uses it. I use Black Tone like Garnoch, and I have used Dynamic Contrast too. I think that's why no matter what Movie Mode settings I've tried I always end up using Standard. My wife always picks it too.
post #12981 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Now there's a post I like. The guy bought the TV because of the contrast and dimming and he uses it. I use Black Tone like Garnoch, and I have used Dynamic Contrast too. I think that's why no matter what Movie Mode settings I've tried I always end up using Standard. My wife always picks it too.

I found that MOVIE mode can be made watchable for me. But by the time I've adjusted it to my liking, the settings are very similar to STANDARD. SO whats the point? I'm sticking to my slightly tweaked STANDARD settings.

I watched Skyfall again last night. I switched back and forth between the recommended MOVIE settings and my STANDARD, and I'm done messing with MOVIE mode. Blacks totally sucked IMO.
post #12982 of 16125
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

OR...are there zillions of happy owners who dont post on here, because they are just enjoying their TV's? OR don't even know about AVS?

I find your comments hard to believe. Where are all the mainstream negative reviews? The positive reviews far outnumber the bad ones.

By and large, forums are where people come, looking for answers to problems, hence the number of negative posts is going to be skewed.

Although Cmay may come off as harsh on it, I believe he is right as well - and a bit jaded understandably. If you read through the other flagship TV threads from start to finish and compare to this one I think you will see the trend he is talking about, not to mention amazon reviews. I believe when I read through this one from start to finish that even the guy who started this thread eventually returned his ES as well.
post #12983 of 16125
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Originally Posted by zombie1210 View Post

OR...are there zillions of happy owners who dont post on here, because they are just enjoying their TV's? OR don't even know about AVS?

I find your comments hard to believe. Where are all the mainstream negative reviews? The positive reviews far outnumber the bad ones.

By and large, forums are where people come, looking for answers to problems, hence the number of negative posts is going to be skewed.

Actually, the reviews for the ES8000 are mostly negative.
post #12984 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

Although Cmay may come off as harsh on it, I believe he is right as well - and a bit jaded understandably. If you read through the other flagship TV threads from start to finish and compare to this one I think you will see the trend he is talking about, not to mention amazon reviews. I believe when I read through this one from start to finish that even the guy who started this thread eventually returned his ES as well.
Cmay returned 7 televisions. I remember recommending that he buy something else after about the 3rd one. There can only be 3 reasons for that: the televisions are not well made and/or he has incredibly bad luck, or he's extremely picky (some people have banding built into their eyes and it bugs the crap out of them lol). I've come across this on many forums: cars, phones, etc. The people who love the sets never look for a forum.
Edited by thebignewt - 2/28/13 at 9:07am
post #12985 of 16125
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Originally Posted by dad0118 View Post

Actually, the reviews for the ES8000 are mostly negative.

Seriously? Mostly? Uh..ok.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/samsung-un60es8000-review/

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-un55es8000-55-inch-smart-tv-review-09237695/

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue55es8000_TV_review

http://www.technowriter.net/2012/08/samsung-es8000-led-tv-review.html

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/6005/samsung-ue55es8000-8-series-edge-led-lcd-tv-review

http://www.whathifi.com/review/samsung-ue55es8000

http://www.techguide.com.au/reviews/televisions/1152-samsung-led-series-8-es8000-smart-tv-review

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/samsung-ue55es8000-p12984/test.html

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ue55es8000-ue46es8000-201205301790.htm?page=Performance

A random search came up with a lot of positive reviews. Those are just a few of them.

I am talking about review sites. Not individuals giving reviews, who have had a problem. Of course THEIR review will be less than stellar.

My point is....if this set was so horrible, what are all these reviews about? Why aren't all the websites blasting Sumsung for this horrble TV?
Edited by zombie1210 - 2/28/13 at 9:16am
post #12986 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Cmay returned 7 televisions. There can only be 3 reasons for that: the televisions are not well made and/or he has incredibly bad luck, or he's extremely picky (some people have banding built into their eyes and it bugs the crap out of them). I've come across this on many forums: cars, phones, etc. The people who love the sets never look for a forum.

I agree with you for low end appliances; if its working who cares. I've actually noticed that people that love cutting edge Tech will go to forums like these to get the most out of them. I've yet to see a thread where there aren't people loving their product and exchanging ideas on how to use them. Just look around...
post #12987 of 16125
Regarding returns of the 8000: with all due respect, I have never seen one open box 8000 at a Best Buy, Sears or hhGregg since shopping and comparing over the past ten months. Not one. I think the issues and stats of such are not fairly represented at all on the forums in context to actual ownership base. I make it a point to regularly spy got great open box items.
post #12988 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

I agree with you for low end appliances; if its working who cares. I've actually noticed that people that love cutting edge Tech will go to forums like these to get the most out of them. I've yet to see a thread where there aren't people loving their product and exchanging ideas on how to use them. Just look around...
Oh yeah, every forum has the happy campers too. I found AVS in 2011 when I had a Samsung DLP set that had a class action suit because of a light tunnel failure and agreed to repairs up to 4 years after purchase. Then I came over here because I had seen ads for this set last year. It's been very helpful. I never knew you could tweak the picture of TV sets. Like many others I just plugged it and turned it on.
post #12989 of 16125
Jw if anyone seen any good info on the 2013 lg sets? I like the 2012 sets minus the terrible backlight bleeding
post #12990 of 16125
Might check in an LG thread to see what the talk is.
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