Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 435

Originally Posted by Ricoflashback 

Ricodome update - - just pulled the trigger on the new short throw, BenQ W1080ST projector - - primarily for movies. Inexpensive (but highly rated) FAVI Entertainment 100" Electric Diagonal Screen (1.3 gain - white matte - 16 X 9) to gently drop down (hope, hope) over fabulous Sammy 65" screen.

Unbudgeted, unathorized and not approved - - but still ordered. This, truly, will complete the Ricodome "Man Cave" and I won't have to leave my basement for days on end (depending on trips to Blockbuster and liquor runs.

Clandestine installation planned with my buddy who took out the faux window, drywall patched, ran electricity and mounted my Sammy set a month ago. I will take a day off to have everything installed before mama gets home. With her keen eye for detail - - she won't notice until I'm watching a movie 36" X 87" (2.40:1) and she'll comment that the screen looks bigger tonight. If only she'd make the same comment...oh, nevermind!

Originally Posted by zombie1210 

OR...are there zillions of happy owners who dont post on here, because they are just enjoying their TV's? OR don't even know about AVS?

I find your comments hard to believe. Where are all the mainstream negative reviews? The positive reviews far outnumber the bad ones.

By and large, forums are where people come, looking for answers to problems, hence the number of negative posts is going to be skewed.

Originally Posted by zombie1210 

You don't get out much on the internet, do you?

Its the same with every single forum I've ever been on. For every single person with a problem or a complaint, there are dozens of people who are happy as clams, enjoying their item, and not posting on the internet about it. I've been on the internet since Algore invented it. My "nature" is to call it as I see it. Try watch forums, gun forums, guitar forums, camera forums, phone forums, or any other hobby forum. You will see the same patterns. There are those people who post to "show and tell", for a lack of a better term, those who look for advice and tweaks, and those who are pissed. All those people combined would not add up to those people who would never even think of going online to say that they like a product, and are just at home happily enjoying it.

And I am still amazed that someone would try 7 of them, and not give up. Extraordinary. Patience beyond anything I can imagine.

Originally Posted by thebignewt 

The CNET picture settings were some of the first ones people liked for this set.

Originally Posted by turboman123 

Rick, we know your name. We know where you live.
So, just make sure you have extra seats installed for us. And when you get out of your cave, get a Oban single malt for me. I'll bring the pizza.

Originally Posted by zombie1210 

I do think the average Joe Blow would know dead pixels if he saw them. Light banding....maybe not.

Anyway. I'm watching the restored version of Once Upon a Time in the West on Amazon Prime. Looks great. Those guys sure had some pits and holes in their faces.

Originally Posted by zombie1210 

You don't get out much on the internet, do you?

Its the same with every single forum I've ever been on. For every single person with a problem or a complaint, there are dozens of people who are happy as clams, enjoying their item, and not posting on the internet about it. I've been on the internet since Algore invented it. My "nature" is to call it as I see it. Try watch forums, gun forums, guitar forums, camera forums, phone forums, or any other hobby forum. You will see the same patterns. There are those people who post to "show and tell", for a lack of a better term, those who look for advice and tweaks, and those who are pissed. All those people combined would not add up to those people who would never even think of going online to say that they like a product, and are just at home happily enjoying it.

And I am still amazed that someone would try 7 of them, and not give up. Extraordinary. Patience beyond anything I can imagine.

Originally Posted by mo949 

I'll stick to the facts and figures as I tend to be a bit more scientific as is my nature. Take the largest online retailer amazon as an example and go count how many ppl came back to say they were happy and compare to the negative reviews. If the summary shows you're right ill buy your version.

Arenaman - I have wondered the same thing at one time on the 65, but I always see the bars on them now. I think it could be that so few really understand or care what picture uniformity is out in the great herd of ppl out there, and that's fine by me but I won't accept them.

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

I've bought many flagship tvs and am used to the lottery. As many in here can vouch, when I was going through the exchange merry go round, I never was pissed or posted negative rants that I can remember.

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter which brand or make, a lot of it comes down to pure luck. So if BB was going to keep allowing me to exchange sets, why wouldn't I until I got one that I was satisfied with. That's why I made seven exchanges.

I lucked out on the very first try with the 65HX950, but there are others in the HX950 forum that had similar bad luck with Sony.

I think almost every regular contributor in this forum who has bought more than one flat panel within the past few years will agree that luck plays a huge part in getting a good panel or bad one.

I don't see myself as one if those people who come here to specifically complain and rant and rave about my bad Samsung experience and hopefully I don't come off as that to the other contributors. I've never told anyone in this forum to not buy a Samsung.

And for all those happy people who never complain... I view it as ignorance is bliss as BigNewt once commented to me. Majority of people who don't visit these forums never check for dead pixels or banding or uniformity. It's these consumers that allow companies to let their quality control go down the toilet because they know the majority won't do anything about it.

So where you view it as since the majority of people don't complain, then they must all have great sets. I just don't necessarily agree with it as I view this thread as a sample size of all buyers of this TV and if one particular thread has a higher percentage if manufacturer defects than another thread, it's a good indicator that this particular model may have more issues than others.

Originally Posted by badabing 

My thoughts exactly...... The older "D8000" had Cinem Black.... The current "ES9000" has Cinema Black.... The newer "F8000" has Cinema Black.... What the heck happened to the "ES8000".... Why did Samsung decide to leave it off the "ES8000".... Its just not right... The one feature I would have faithfully used... I can only hope that Samsung will find a way to add it back onto the "ES8000" through the "evolution kit".

Originally Posted by vincevega44 

I would think that it's something that is built into the set with the LED lights. So unfortunately it's probably doubtful. You're right though it really makes no sense considering everything else that it has.

Originally Posted by turboman123 

Recently I expanded my real estate with an AV receiver and a 5.1 speaker setup. I'll give some more info on the real estate in another post.
I am using a bluray player as source, then going to the receiver, from there to my 55ES8000.

I just started looking at a few blurays, and seem to notice a delay between video and sound.
So my question is: what lip sync delay do you use in the receiver to match the delay in the ES8000? What is the experience?

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Does the receiver have an auto sync feature? I've read that anywhere between 45ms and 75ms is a good starting point and often does the trick as this range is where a delay becomes noticeable .

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Does the ES8000 really need cinema black after the update? Returned mine prior to the update so I never got a chance to see the improvements it made.

Originally Posted by tbris84 

My 55" ES8000 arrives early next week. Which panel should I be crossing my figures to receive? Coming from an E8000 Plasma I am paranoid about breaking it in properly. I know LED LCD's don't have the same issues, but is there anything I should do or avoid doing at first? Or can I jump right in and melt my face to my liking?

Originally Posted by 10k 

There is no break-in with LCD. Also, the different panels are mainly for the different sizes. 55ES8000 was TS01, although some users have reported getting TS02. I have a TS01 55" which I have calibrated with a meter. Click the link in my sig and try out my Movie mode settings as they will likely work pretty good with your 55" as well. Settings from other size panels dont seem to work that great, based on some of the information which users in this thread have shared.

My expectations for Chip Kelly couldn't be any higher, I've been an Oregon fan for 20yrs and what he has done in the last 4 at Oregon was nothing short of incredible (full respect to coaches Belotti and Brooks). Being an Eagles fan in NY is going to be rough though...

Originally Posted by canadian55 

Hello Galonzo and everyone.

I'm the Canadian guy who started the spreadsheet with default settings for Standard, Movie and Natural modes on my 65". I have now updated to FW 1047.0 and can confirm that the default settings are the same as 1046.2.

Here are some minor changes for the spreadsheet:

1. Change Canadian55 Firmware to 1047 for all 3 settings.
2. I listed the 6 Color Space Settings for Standard and Movie mode so we would have a default reference. However, Standard mode uses a Native setting and Movie mode uses an Auto setting which actually greys out all the color space settings. You might want to indicate that the numbered color space settings are all greyed out. We're allowed to be anal here, right?
3. Along the same lines as 2, all Advanced settings are greyed out in Natural mode. You could add (Greyed Out) next to Advanced settings for Natural mode.
4. Similarly, the 10p White Balance settings for Movie mode are also greyed out. I'm being anal because for some of these settings an "on" or "off" is not greyed out every single time. You might have an "on or "off" with choices. When thing are "greyed out" you don't get a menu choice.

I think that should bring the default settings up to date. Since my model is UN65ES8000, I would assume that these default settings are the same for all 8000 models given the same FW version.

I plugged Blade's Standard and Jestered's Movie settings into my 65" . Trial and error will show how they work in my basement HT which is mostly dark. Are there any other 65" owners with great settings to add to the spreadsheet?

Thanks everyone; great community here!
Canadian55

Originally Posted by turboman123 

No, my receiver does not have an auto lip sync feature. I will just start with setting 75ms.
Just out of curiosity, an auto lip sync feature on a receiver adjusts the audio delay according to the info which is sent by the TV. Does the ES8000 send this info?

Originally Posted by Ricoflashback 

Turboman123 - what type of receiver do you have? And are you seeing (hearing) this on all sources - Bluray and Cable/Satellite?

I have heard of lip synch issues but have never encountered the problem with the two AVR's that I've used (Yamaha & Pioneer).

Originally Posted by cmay91472 

Trying to sync a/v can sometimes be a nightmare. I thought I had a lip sync delay with my Oppo 103 when splitting a/v with my Yamaha RX3800.

Originally Posted by Ricoflashback 

CMay - - I have heard of issues with the OPPO when splitting video & audio as opposed to straight HDMI for both (which is what I do.)

Not sure if it's an OPPO issue or not but I find one HDMI for both audio & video to work best with my setup. Any switching (example - the projector that I will be getting) will be done via my AVR - HDMI2 out.

Hopefully - - I will not encounter any issues since the audio/video feed are all via the receiver - - not a video direct to the TV (which wasn't a discernible difference to me with my previous Sony BDP-S790 and actually disabled my 2D to 3D via the Sony player. Not that I use that function that much, anyway!)

Originally Posted by turboman123 

No, my receiver does not have an auto lip sync feature. I will just start with setting 75ms.
Just out of curiosity, an auto lip sync feature on a receiver adjusts the audio delay according to the info which is sent by the TV. Does the ES8000 send this info?

Originally Posted by vincevega44 

The way the price of this is plummeting on Amazon it is tempting for me to get one. I like the design of this better than the f8000 but I know if I got it I would probably regret it once that one came out. I really wish they had put Cinema Black on this.