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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

My 2 year old Pioneer 920K receiver has already died on me so I just upgraded to a Denon AVR-1913. I'm hoping I don't have any HDMI handshaking issues with the Denon and my Samsung TV or Dish Hopper. I don't think I'll ever buy another Pioneer again. I'll probably be happier anyway as the Denon is supposed to have better sound quality compared to Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony, Onkyo and others. I bought from an authorized dealer on Amazon, so I feel pretty good about Denon's 2 year warranty

I've heard the 1913 in action, and it's incredibly solid for the price. Outstanding actually. Compared the Pioneer VSX-1122, night and day, and I found it to be a bit more "tonally balanced" than the RX-V673 from Yamaha. As far as Sony goes, I've been wildly unimpressed with virtually all of their AVRs this year, excluding the STR-DN1030, which was adequate given it's modest price tag, but the 520, 720 and 830 are abysmal in my opinion.
post #13112 of 16129
I've updated my Standard mode calibration linked in my sig below. I used the average brightness patterns found on the GCD calibration disk ( http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406352/gcd-gamut-calibration-disk ) played on the TV via DLNA. The intent of using average brightness patterns was minimise the impact of the dimming features of standard mode while measuring grayscale and colors. I've abandoned trying to get a sane calibration which incorporates the CE dimming defeat tweak, so if you hate CE dimming probably dont bother trying out the below.

Overall grayscale is pretty good, and using the same average brightness patterns, it looks like standard mode gets a bit more contrast than movie mode. I calibrated colors primarily using 75% saturation and 75% stimulus patterns as from what I have read, these colors are closest to the average colors from actual content. I then cross checked against the 100%/100% patterns to make sure things werent too ugly. Yellow and Cyan could probably trade some 75% accuracy for better 100% performance, but these tradeoffs are pretty hard to make within Standard mode for some reason.

I set white at 60ftL so this config should be good for daytime viewing in medium/bright rooms.

I'm starting to come around to the belief that proper grayscale is the primary contributor to good picture quality. If my color settings aren't working for you, try using "Auto" instead. Auto is definitely visibly worse, but it isnt that bad at all. The improvements in white balance/grayscale are much more visible to my eye when just watching movies and TV than the color improvements.

Enjoy! standard mode settings 3/2/13 (Click to show)
Standard
Backlight 11
Contrast 74
Brightness 45
Sharpness 15 (Personal preference)
Color 50
Tint 50/50

ADVANCED SETTINGS
Dynamic Contrast Off (low if you like, see notes above)
Black Tone Off (never on, see notes above)
Flesh Tone 0

COLOR SPACE
Red 44 4 0
Green 15 28 0
Blue 0 4 52
Yellow 53 40 0
Cyan 10 40 50
Magenta 43 8 57

White Balance
26 24 21 24 33 0

Gamma -1 (configured using dlna, set +1 for htpc)
Motion Lighting Off

PICTURE OPTIONS
Color Tone Warm2
Noise Filters Off
HDMI Black Level Normal (Low for bd/cable)
Auto Motion Plus Clear (personal preference)
LED Motion Plus Off
Standard mode calibration charts (Click to show)
grayscale

colorscale 100%lum

colorscale 75% lum

cie chart 100% lum

cie chart 75% lum

gamma

rgb levels

saturations 100% luminance 100% saturations (Click to show)





saturations 75% luminance 75% saturations (Click to show)





post #13113 of 16129
If you need "USA" version of SmartHub (due to Netflix, Pandora...) you can do it with simple selection in menu!

When in SmartHub press: >> 2 8 9 <<
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Originally Posted by Jason Backhouse View Post

Hi. Does anybody know the key differences between my UE46ES8000 (UK Version) and the UN46ES8000 (apart from local regional differences in Smart Hub) I am refering to Picture settings and other menu settings. Also, what would happen if I installed the US firmware on my UK ES8000?

Cheers.
post #13114 of 16129
You poor guys...we have 20% tax in Europe...not to mention the same price but in EUR....so do the math and be a happy camper smile.gif
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

hahaha, you complain bout 9-10% tax ? try 13% in ontario canada & then look @ our reg prices versus USA prices, it's crazy how we get ripped off up here.I wanted some gaming chair that was on amazon for 120 & the canadian amazon.ca is selling it for 308 THEN add that bloody 13% tax.................SHEESH ! ! ! ! ! ! mad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gifmad.gif
post #13115 of 16129
Since the 1047 update was posted for download my 65ES8000 has periodically been displaying a network error message, "Error_model_bind"

I check the network settings, all OK, even went through & re-detected the wireless AP and settings, etc., again all OK.
I next performed the 1047 firmware update, allowing it to complete & automatically power-cycle the TV. Still no joy, as the error message is still periodically appearing.

I've also noticed that our two TIVO universal remotes are periodically losing the ability to control Volume & mute, but power-cycling the TV will temporarily correct that as well.

What's going on here? Anybody else?
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We in the colonies rule! wink.gif
post #13117 of 16129
Capt, did you do the full update from Support, Self Diagnosis and then Reset followed by cold restart? I did and it resolved a few issues. Start there and then it may help isolate the true issues.
post #13118 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

We in the colonies rule! wink.gif

In keeping with Bladerunner1959's theme - - for those of you who are having technical issues or problems with your Sammy sets....make sure to keep this attitude: "I have not yet begun to fight!"
post #13119 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Capt, did you do the full update from Support, Self Diagnosis and then Reset followed by cold restart? I did and it resolved a few issues. Start there and then it may help isolate the true issues.

Will give it a try.
Notably the error message started yesterday, before performing the update.
I'll try going through the self diagnosis menu and a reset then cold restart (assume that will wipe my settings) frown.gif
post #13120 of 16129
Captain, affirmative; write down all settings and then re-enter ...

Rico....no taxation without HD representation!!! You'll have to pry my HarmonyOne from my cold dead fingers!!!!
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Has anyone demo'd the 3d trailers on Yabazam? This could be another promising and entertaining App.
post #13122 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Captain, affirmative; write down all settings and then re-enter ...

Argghhhh! Okay, done. Actually that makes sense after a firmware update.

Hopefully this will solve the error msg.
I saw another post on another site that suggested simply resetting your time & date would do it. (Supposedly that recommendation came from Samsung) though I did not try it.
post #13123 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Since the 1047 update was posted for download my 65ES8000 has periodically been displaying a network error message, "Error_model_bind"

I check the network settings, all OK, even went through & re-detected the wireless AP and settings, etc., again all OK.
I next performed the 1047 firmware update, allowing it to complete & automatically power-cycle the TV. Still no joy, as the error message is still periodically appearing.

I've also noticed that our two TIVO universal remotes are periodically losing the ability to control Volume & mute, but power-cycling the TV will temporarily correct that as well.

What's going on here? Anybody else?

Hello Cap'n.

I'm having a similar issue which only started yesterday. Read my post #13094. Also user from post #13099 seem to be having a similar issue.

I did a full reset and it didn't solve it. I noticed that the message hasn't came up after that, but I still can't use any apps that require Internet connection.
post #13124 of 16129
If I am not mistaken Samsung is doing maintenance today!!! I saw a message on my TV this morning (SmartHub), that there will be maintenance today on March 3rd! Looking at same issues in the past (search Google for bind error) it also was linked to Samsung doing maintenance and people thought something with their TV was at fault...

Maybe they started early? This is from SamsungTV Facebook:

Maintenance Alert: The Your Video, Search All and Smart Program Guide server will be down for scheduled maintenance Monday, March 4 from 8:00 p.m. – 12:00 a.m. (EST).
During this time, service downtime may occur and service may not work properly.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

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Originally Posted by xitman View Post

Hello Cap'n.

I'm having a similar issue which only started yesterday. Read my post #13094. Also user from post #13099 seem to be having a similar issue.

I did a full reset and it didn't solve it. I noticed that the message hasn't came up after that, but I still can't use any apps that require Internet connection.
post #13125 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Preshoot View Post

Since the 1047 update was posted for download my 65ES8000 has periodically been displaying a network error message, "Error_model_bind"

I check the network settings, all OK, even went through & re-detected the wireless AP and settings, etc., again all OK.
I next performed the 1047 firmware update, allowing it to complete & automatically power-cycle the TV. Still no joy, as the error message is still periodically appearing.

I've also noticed that our two TIVO universal remotes are periodically losing the ability to control Volume & mute, but power-cycling the TV will temporarily correct that as well.

What's going on here? Anybody else?
Mine just started doing this today also. I updated to 1047 when it came out and never saw this error before. I'd bet you something is wrong on Samsung's server-side. I hope they fix it soon as it's quite annoying rolleyes.gif

:edit: to get the annoying messages to stop popping up, go into network settings and set your IP address to "manual" and then input garbage numbers for all the ip settings, like 1.1.1.1.
Edited by 10k - 3/3/13 at 10:28am
post #13126 of 16129
Yes, they are tweaking the servers and hub maintenance today and tomorrow...
post #13127 of 16129
Yesterday around 9:00 PM Eastern my Smart Hub started working again but today it's not working again...Also it won't even launch when I hit the Smart Hub button on both of my remotes....Only will launch if I turn TV off and back on but no Apps connect. Is there anyone who's Smart Hub is connecting fine?
post #13128 of 16129
I was in the hub a few hours ago. Vudu, Netflix and Pandora all available but had some stutter and buffer issues. Don't care, just bought Ghost Protocol...Zombies in two hours...boo yah
post #13129 of 16129
I've got the Network Bind Error on my 2 month old 64 inch 8000 series plasma. It's outrageous that I get the pop up message over the top of trying to watch Comcast when I'm not even trying to watch Netflix, I also can't control the TV volume for about 5 seconds before the pop up appears until it goes away.

There are people reporting this issue on Samsung equipment all over the world!

UNACCEPTABLE SAMSUNG, my TV cost me a price-controlled $3,200 and I expect the best service, not this cr@p.

Anyone got a Samsung email address that I can complain to?
post #13130 of 16129
I've been getting network error last two days also...
post #13131 of 16129
Ya it's just Samsung doing smarthub maintenance. Same was happening to me a few weeks ago or so. Just don't panic like I did and do a smarthub reset trying to fix the problem cuz it won't do anything and you'll have to re-enter all your info for everything lol
post #13132 of 16129
8 month in ownership and shootout!!!

I was in the Magnolia section yesterday while on my Bluray run and had a chance to see the 65es8000, 55vt50 and a 55" Sony hx950: Long story short I am more of a Samsung fanboy than everrrrr!

The Sony was very nice but extremely overpriced for the real estate and it was easily NOT superior to the 8000. Enough of that chat. The color palet was super, the picture was detailed and sharp, the blacks were great. letterbox bars were inky. I could own one and be very happy. If I was a HX950 owner and saw my 8000 in someone elses house dialed in well, i'd probably have some buyers remorse, not severe, but i'd be feeling it.

The VT50 was nice, smooth, and set for my liking as I viewed it first in their calibrated settings and then tweaked it to my liking...The color was great, the blacks were obvious inky if not overly inky at time obscuring fine black details that I think should be there. Yes, easily the deepest darkest blacks but....Overall, the tv is simply not as sharply detailed and does not have that lifelike "clarity and realism" that I see in my 60" 8000 or in the 65" 8000 that was in the same dimly lit room. The VT50 does not engage in a "realism" as does my 8000. I dont care who what where about any review , any comment here or anywhere...the VT simply does not produce the realism and being-there effect I have on my 60" 8000. Honestly, I do try to observe the whole "inky black" concept in life now more than ever. Its an overrated aspect. On the VT50 i can always tell i am viewing "plasma" as opposed to simply "being there". I have always seen this in plasma. I thought i wanted plasma when i first started shopping 10 months ago...Yes, I'd be happy owninga VT50, its a great tv for the money..a no-brainer great dollar value BUT....I'd definately suffer buyers remorse if I had a vt50 in my house and saw a well dialed in 8000 at a neighbors house.

The 65" 8000 that I was comparing these too was on fw 1046.2 and I viewed it in Geek settings in Movie, then my own Standard mode setting.

Even with mild banding, i'd easily rather own the 65" 8000 over the other two sets. The picture quality IS sharp, detailed, like "being there", with very nice if not great blacks. Black enough!!!! So yes, i'm tired of all the negative black talk when it comes to the 8000. Look at Macau and Hong Kong nighttime shots from Skyfall and you'll see. I saw the same shots on the Sharp Elite...i'll take my 8000 without a second of buyers remorse or wanting... The 8000 is THE most engaging and absorbing viewing experience among those three. (rediculous to even compare the Elite since they are so even and pricing is stupidly out of whack)...Loved the Sony, it was sweet and engaging but I preferred the detail and color on the 8000. Loved the VT but i was always aware that I was watching a quality plasma TV as opposed to being absorbed and engaged in the viewing.

I'm envious of the 65" size (although my 60 is perfectly sized for my crib) even with its mild banding. maybe i'd change my though if I lived with it? I dont know and cant really say that for sure. My 60" 8000 suffers no issues whatsoever and after 8 months I am more pleased than ever.

Funny thing is I have a new prescription for glasses and since my eyes are very different, they process light differently. Now with glasses on, the viewing is improved because light is better defined and controlled by my glasses making less glare permitting the dark and black parts to be even darker...
post #13133 of 16129
Nice write up Blade. Still enjoying my 65"
post #13134 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Nice write up Blade. Still enjoying my 65"

+1 wink.gif
post #13135 of 16129
Great summary, it voices many of our similar opinions.

This TV simply has the best picture, which is why I bought it. I never owned a Samsung anything before so i wouldn't call myself a prior fanboy.

but...Had to buy 60" just to avoid possible issues with a 65" (funny how a forum has that influence, sort of good and bad I suppose). But it was my own judgment of the PQ vs others that made me pick the ES8000. I find myself still being wow'd whenever I pop in a new movie for the first time -- I'm used to the TV yet still amazed like it was my first time...
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Originally Posted by xitman View Post

Hello Cap'n.

I'm having a similar issue which only started yesterday. Read my post #13094. Also user from post #13099 seem to be having a similar issue.

I did a full reset and it didn't solve it. I noticed that the message hasn't came up after that, but I still can't use any apps that require Internet connection.

Same issues here Cap'n. Volume button has no responsiveness, I had to tap "Source" and exit and then it would work again, but it's getting annoying. Also yesterday evening, my 60ES8000 powered off while I was watching Walking Dead and then powered back on again, I think I read something about this with another user but I can't remember where the post is. Is this problem going to get progressively worse?

I'm still in my 60 day PremSilvRZ grace period. I have about two more weeks if I'm going to pull the trigger on a change.
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Originally Posted by sony1717 View Post

On every one of my 4 deliveries it has been a 1-person crew bringing in the box which is clearly labeled for 2-people to carry and only "this side up" - they ignore all of those instructions and bring the box in on a dolly - on its end. As for the "white glove" aspect, that is laughable. I'd rather not let these folks in past my front door (and almost didn't once since they have showed up twice in unmarked vans - one was an Enterprise rental with the TV boxes just banging around in the back). Don't think that this is the cause for any of the panel issues, but also can't be good for what happens to these sets in transit if this is just what I see.
You should get a different TV set. You will not be happy with this model, trust me. I think that I can spot people who should move onward after reading many of these posts. Personally I cannot imagine anyone returning set after set after set.
Last night I watched the Mumford and Sons concert at Red Rocks BD. I am a big fan of concert DVDs and this is the first BD one I have bought. It's fantastic, right up there with Adele Live at Royal Albert Hall. When I play a BD on my low end Samsung BD/3D player it usually automatically switches from Standard (Garnoch settings) to BD-Wise. And it looked great. I look at the settings and I think that Black Tone is on (low) and Black Enhancer is Dark, and Color is maybe Auto. Whatever it is I think it looks freaking great. I'm ready to use those settings in my Standard mode and see how regular TV shows look. Does anyone else use that BD-Wise mode? It's only available when you play a BD disc.
Edited by thebignewt - 3/4/13 at 7:58am
post #13138 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

8 month in ownership and shootout!!!

I was in the Magnolia section yesterday while on my Bluray run and had a chance to see the 65es8000, 55vt50 and a 55" Sony hx950: Long story short I am more of a Samsung fanboy than everrrrr!

The Sony was very nice but extremely overpriced for the real estate and it was easily NOT superior to the 8000. Enough of that chat. The color palet was super, the picture was detailed and sharp, the blacks were great. letterbox bars were inky. I could own one and be very happy. If I was a HX950 owner and saw my 8000 in someone elses house dialed in well, i'd probably have some buyers remorse, not severe, but i'd be feeling it.

The VT50 was nice, smooth, and set for my liking as I viewed it first in their calibrated settings and then tweaked it to my liking...The color was great, the blacks were obvious inky if not overly inky at time obscuring fine black details that I think should be there. Yes, easily the deepest darkest blacks but....Overall, the tv is simply not as sharply detailed and does not have that lifelike "clarity and realism" that I see in my 60" 8000 or in the 65" 8000 that was in the same dimly lit room. The VT50 does not engage in a "realism" as does my 8000. I dont care who what where about any review , any comment here or anywhere...the VT simply does not produce the realism and being-there effect I have on my 60" 8000. Honestly, I do try to observe the whole "inky black" concept in life now more than ever. Its an overrated aspect. On the VT50 i can always tell i am viewing "plasma" as opposed to simply "being there". I have always seen this in plasma. I thought i wanted plasma when i first started shopping 10 months ago...Yes, I'd be happy owninga VT50, its a great tv for the money..a no-brainer great dollar value BUT....I'd definately suffer buyers remorse if I had a vt50 in my house and saw a well dialed in 8000 at a neighbors house.

The 65" 8000 that I was comparing these too was on fw 1046.2 and I viewed it in Geek settings in Movie, then my own Standard mode setting.

Even with mild banding, i'd easily rather own the 65" 8000 over the other two sets. The picture quality IS sharp, detailed, like "being there", with very nice if not great blacks. Black enough!!!! So yes, i'm tired of all the negative black talk when it comes to the 8000. Look at Macau and Hong Kong nighttime shots from Skyfall and you'll see. I saw the same shots on the Sharp Elite...i'll take my 8000 without a second of buyers remorse or wanting... The 8000 is THE most engaging and absorbing viewing experience among those three. (rediculous to even compare the Elite since they are so even and pricing is stupidly out of whack)...Loved the Sony, it was sweet and engaging but I preferred the detail and color on the 8000. Loved the VT but i was always aware that I was watching a quality plasma TV as opposed to being absorbed and engaged in the viewing.

I'm envious of the 65" size (although my 60 is perfectly sized for my crib) even with its mild banding. maybe i'd change my though if I lived with it? I dont know and cant really say that for sure. My 60" 8000 suffers no issues whatsoever and after 8 months I am more pleased than ever.

Funny thing is I have a new prescription for glasses and since my eyes are very different, they process light differently. Now with glasses on, the viewing is improved because light is better defined and controlled by my glasses making less glare permitting the dark and black parts to be even darker...

Good write up Blade.

Two things I disagree with...

Although you say you could live with the mild banding, until you actually have the set and see how often and how distracting it can become, I don't think you can honestly say you would be OK with it especially if you paid the premium price tag the 65 has over the other sizes.
Not saying you wouldn't in the long run, but seeing banding on a floor model compared to truly testing it out is a more fair assessment as to ones tolerance level.

Second, you are comparing a "dialed" in ES8000 to a display HX950. Compare a dialed in HX950 with a dialed in ES8000 and I'm fairly sure you will see the difference full array with local dimming makes. Is it worth the high cost? Probably not as I've stated before I would have been extremely happy if I was able to get a 65ES8000 with minimal banding like my 65HX950 as the extra 2 grand I was going to spend on a pioneer elite receiver had to make up the cost difference. In the end though, glad I spent the extra money as what I really wanted was a 65+ tv with no noticeable banding.
post #13139 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

8 month in ownership and shootout!!!

I was in the Magnolia section yesterday while on my Bluray run and had a chance to see the 65es8000, 55vt50 and a 55" Sony hx950: Long story short I am more of a Samsung fanboy than everrrrr!

The Sony was very nice but extremely overpriced for the real estate and it was easily NOT superior to the 8000. Enough of that chat. The color palet was super, the picture was detailed and sharp, the blacks were great. letterbox bars were inky. I could own one and be very happy. If I was a HX950 owner and saw my 8000 in someone elses house dialed in well, i'd probably have some buyers remorse, not severe, but i'd be feeling it.

The VT50 was nice, smooth, and set for my liking as I viewed it first in their calibrated settings and then tweaked it to my liking...The color was great, the blacks were obvious inky if not overly inky at time obscuring fine black details that I think should be there. Yes, easily the deepest darkest blacks but....Overall, the tv is simply not as sharply detailed and does not have that lifelike "clarity and realism" that I see in my 60" 8000 or in the 65" 8000 that was in the same dimly lit room. The VT50 does not engage in a "realism" as does my 8000. I dont care who what where about any review , any comment here or anywhere...the VT simply does not produce the realism and being-there effect I have on my 60" 8000. Honestly, I do try to observe the whole "inky black" concept in life now more than ever. Its an overrated aspect. On the VT50 i can always tell i am viewing "plasma" as opposed to simply "being there". I have always seen this in plasma. I thought i wanted plasma when i first started shopping 10 months ago...Yes, I'd be happy owninga VT50, its a great tv for the money..a no-brainer great dollar value BUT....I'd definately suffer buyers remorse if I had a vt50 in my house and saw a well dialed in 8000 at a neighbors house.

The 65" 8000 that I was comparing these too was on fw 1046.2 and I viewed it in Geek settings in Movie, then my own Standard mode setting.

Even with mild banding, i'd easily rather own the 65" 8000 over the other two sets. The picture quality IS sharp, detailed, like "being there", with very nice if not great blacks. Black enough!!!! So yes, i'm tired of all the negative black talk when it comes to the 8000. Look at Macau and Hong Kong nighttime shots from Skyfall and you'll see. I saw the same shots on the Sharp Elite...i'll take my 8000 without a second of buyers remorse or wanting... The 8000 is THE most engaging and absorbing viewing experience among those three. (rediculous to even compare the Elite since they are so even and pricing is stupidly out of whack)...Loved the Sony, it was sweet and engaging but I preferred the detail and color on the 8000. Loved the VT but i was always aware that I was watching a quality plasma TV as opposed to being absorbed and engaged in the viewing.

I'm envious of the 65" size (although my 60 is perfectly sized for my crib) even with its mild banding. maybe i'd change my though if I lived with it? I dont know and cant really say that for sure. My 60" 8000 suffers no issues whatsoever and after 8 months I am more pleased than ever.

Funny thing is I have a new prescription for glasses and since my eyes are very different, they process light differently. Now with glasses on, the viewing is improved because light is better defined and controlled by my glasses making less glare permitting the dark and black parts to be even darker...

Well said - very apropos. I recently had a new prescription for my glasses (left eye now being more of a "team player!") and the colors and sharpness are unbelievable. Even though my 65" has very slight banding, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

For the money, PQ and style - - I believe it's one of the best sets on the market - - period.
post #13140 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

8 month in ownership and shootout!!!

I was in the Magnolia section yesterday while on my Bluray run and had a chance to see the 65es8000, 55vt50 and a 55" Sony hx950: Long story short I am more of a Samsung fanboy than everrrrr!

The Sony was very nice but extremely overpriced for the real estate and it was easily NOT superior to the 8000. Enough of that chat. The color palet was super, the picture was detailed and sharp, the blacks were great. letterbox bars were inky. I could own one and be very happy. If I was a HX950 owner and saw my 8000 in someone elses house dialed in well, i'd probably have some buyers remorse, not severe, but i'd be feeling it.

The VT50 was nice, smooth, and set for my liking as I viewed it first in their calibrated settings and then tweaked it to my liking...The color was great, the blacks were obvious inky if not overly inky at time obscuring fine black details that I think should be there. Yes, easily the deepest darkest blacks but....Overall, the tv is simply not as sharply detailed and does not have that lifelike "clarity and realism" that I see in my 60" 8000 or in the 65" 8000 that was in the same dimly lit room. The VT50 does not engage in a "realism" as does my 8000. I dont care who what where about any review , any comment here or anywhere...the VT simply does not produce the realism and being-there effect I have on my 60" 8000. Honestly, I do try to observe the whole "inky black" concept in life now more than ever. Its an overrated aspect. On the VT50 i can always tell i am viewing "plasma" as opposed to simply "being there". I have always seen this in plasma. I thought i wanted plasma when i first started shopping 10 months ago...Yes, I'd be happy owninga VT50, its a great tv for the money..a no-brainer great dollar value BUT....I'd definately suffer buyers remorse if I had a vt50 in my house and saw a well dialed in 8000 at a neighbors house.

The 65" 8000 that I was comparing these too was on fw 1046.2 and I viewed it in Geek settings in Movie, then my own Standard mode setting.

Even with mild banding, i'd easily rather own the 65" 8000 over the other two sets. The picture quality IS sharp, detailed, like "being there", with very nice if not great blacks. Black enough!!!! So yes, i'm tired of all the negative black talk when it comes to the 8000. Look at Macau and Hong Kong nighttime shots from
Skyfall and you'll see. I saw the same shots on the Sharp Elite...i'll take my 8000 without a second of buyers remorse or wanting... The 8000 is THE most engaging and absorbing viewing experience among those three. (rediculous to even compare the Elite since they are so even and pricing is stupidly out of whack)...Loved the Sony, it was sweet and engaging but I preferred the detail and color on the 8000. Loved the VT but i was always aware that I was watching a quality plasma TV as opposed to being absorbed and engaged in the viewing.

I'm envious of the 65" size (although my 60 is perfectly sized for my crib) even with its mild banding. maybe i'd change my though if I lived with it? I dont know and cant really say that for sure. My 60" 8000 suffers no issues whatsoever and after 8 months I am more pleased than ever.

Funny thing is I have a new prescription for glasses and since my eyes are very different, they process light differently. Now with glasses on, the viewing is improved because light is better defined and controlled by my glasses making less glare permitting the dark and black parts to be even darker...


I just picked up the 60ES8000 in hopes that it would wow me enough to replace my smaller 55HX929. After being able to compare both sets calibrated side by side in a dark room its not even close. The Sony trounces the Samsung. The only edge the Samsung has is its ability to clean up some compression noise better than the Sony. Other than that its no contest. The Sony has better motion, better color saturation, and black level is not even close. I really wanted to love the Samsung but come on guys ..You cant honestly say that the Samsung has a better quality image. I not trying to start an argument but after reading all these positive posts about " the elite killer " after this fw update I wanted to see for myself since I have always preferred Samsung to Sony in the past.
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