Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 448

I've been messing around with the Auto Motion Plus settings and I've been seeing, what I assume is, artifacting when in the Smooth preset. Is that what it is? I'm curious exactly what the Blur Reduction and Judder Reduction values are for the Clear, Standard, Smooth presets. Do you have any idea what they are? I thought I read this information somewhere, but I don't see it anywhere. I really want to get the picture as fluid as possible with minimal artifacting(if that's what it is called). So far Clear seems to be the best preset, but if I can increase the fluidity a bit more I would be happy.

I have just got to the Auto- Motion section on setting up my Display. When I first get a New Display the first thing I do is Turn Off all enhancements. I let the Display Settle in for about 25-50 hours on LCD/LED's much longer for Plasma's. I have learned over the years to never go thru the painstaking time of calibration until all things are known to be right with the display, and any defect's rear their ugly head. I then adjust the picture to my liking. Then I start by turning the enhancements on one by one to see if any of them help or hurt. A lot of times it's a give and take type decision. The Auto motion thing I'm still up in the Air about. It works but from what I'm seeing is a loss in Fine Detail. This is in all settings of Auto motion. A lot of times people mistake Jaggies for Display problems instead of the main culprit, the Camera on the other end or the Broadcaster Signal It's Self. You can teats this by freezing a frame on your DVR that you have seen on your display. If the jaggies go away on the freeze frame it's the Display, and If they stay it's the Broadcaster or Camera. When I freeze frame most of the jaggies are still there on my Display. To each his own but I'm a Detail Man. When I see Birds I want to see Individual Feathers. When I see skin I want to see pores and small Hairs, When I see Sweaters I want to see the weave. With Auto motion enabled I lose a lot of this, thats why I'm still making my decision and right now the decision is OFF. It may change but that's where I'm at now. Even I over time will change my settings. It's a actual happy middle with Broadcasters and different Blu-Ray manufactures and Directors of Movies. Sometimes no matter How good you got it you will have to tweak for Broadcasters in your area. Just pick the 4-5 channels you watch the most and split the middle on settings. There is no way you can adjust for each and every one, you will just be chasing your tail. Blu-Ray is a little more consistent once I get those set I never change unless I see a drift in the Display over time.

There is nothing that Say's to each his own Louder that Display Setting's.
Edited by Glenee - 3/12/13 at 5:22am

Thanks for the response Turbo...

That is a great link and I'm trying your Standard settings for a bit. Off tops, the Backlight = 2 caught me off guard. It's a double edged sword right now as I love the pop of color out of the box but the clouding is distracting for me. It feels like Backlight = 2 just clips this eagles wings, but does help with the clouding (though it never goes completely away). I'm having trouble stomaching the loss of vivid color due to a flaw in a new TV (which I understand is inherent in all Edge Lit). I just wish my cloud was in a diffferent spot than low front & center. I've seen some horror stories on this forum and have a great TV by comparison...just can't tell if I'm being overly critical.

Good to know about the brightness 45 +/- effect. I'm getting used to the backlight switching off. Rather than backlight=2, have you used the Eco Sensor? This may allow for higher backlighting while minimizing clouding.?.?.

Is it possible for a professional calibration to go further than the multiple user settings you provided in that link? I'm worried that the calibration will be in Movie mode which shows the most flaws due to heavier backlighting making the exercise pointless (in regards to minimizing clouding). Especially if I wind up back in Standard mode.

I do apologize for a post you have all read a hundred times, I just really want to take advantage of the 30 days I have on this return/exchange since this is my 3rd set in a month. THANKS!

I thought the native resolution is 240hz. Using motion interpolation, the frame rate can be increased artificially up to 960hz(clear motion rate)..

Hello, you can try my calibrated Standard mode settings as well, I have calibrated them for a much brighter picture than what Turboman targeted. Ultimately I have decided that my movie mode settings look best on my set. I hope that helps.

10K - Another question for you too. Appreciate your answers. Noticed last night that you have two different calibrations. One for the 7500 and one for the 8000. Did you get rid of your 7500? That is the calibration I used on my 7100 and it made a huge difference. Your calibration for the 8000 is much different than the 7500. Which calibration is best now? You seem to fall in line with everyone else on your 8000 calibration. Did you get rid of the 7500?

Hi, I never had a 7500, all my calibrations are for my one and only 55" ES8000.

Is it worth it, or should I wait for the new Panasonic ZT-65

I just purchased a UN65ES8000 last night. Was there a change to the bezel? The website shows the slim bezel, but my new set has a slim bezel and about an inch of black border around the screen

Will do 10K...I'm trying them all, thanks. If this pesky job would just get out of the way.

Are you getting more flashlighting/clouding with your ES8000 using your Movie mode settings vs. Standard? You state that Movie is your preferred mode and I'm wondering if you are just settling with the flaws or am I once again the unlucky recipient (or overly critical).

]I have some clouding in Movie mode. Fortunately I do not have any flashlighting coming out of the corners on my set. I do have minor light leak spots coming out of the top and bottom borders, and there is basically a 1/8" "strip" of slightly lighter picture along both the top and bottom of my set. I guess you could call it a "halo" effect or something. It's hard to describe and I have gotten pretty good at ignoring it. I pointed it out to my wife and she looked at me like I was from Mars...

I generally don't see the clouding in movie mode but it does show up in certain circumstances. If the room is dark I can see it a little bit in the black bars at the top and bottom of wide aspect ratio movies. I can also see it in very very dark scenes, like the credits at the end of a Movie. Turning on "Black Enhancer" seems to help. I think "Black Enhancer" is basically enabling CE Dimming in Movie mode, but I'm not quite sure.

Standard Mode definitely has less clouding for me due to the microdimming, but the strong backlight dimming (CE Dimming) in Standard Mode that constantly changes based on the average brightness of the scene eventually just annoyed me too much. Also, I personally preferred the color balance I was able to achieve in Movie mode vs Standard mode.

Turning down backlight can definitely help clouding as well, but obviously at the cost of an overall darker picture.

I was just wondering how the Onkyo 608 works with the new Samsung UN65ES8000FXZA model, I am upgrading my TV and want to make sure this receiver I have works with this TV without any problems. Also can anyone recommend a good 3d blu ray player, i found this on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMP-BDT220-Integrated-Blu-ray-Player/dp/B00752R4PK/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1363102653&sr=1-2&keywords=3d+blu+ray+player but want to make sure it works well with my Onkyo SR608 receiver, I would be plugging the 3d blu ray player to the receiver obviously.

It's always been that design.

I have the "halo" effect as well...exactly as you described. I also have the "wife effect" you speak of...I am used to being a Martian. Seems like we have similar sets...;)TV's too.

This is good info. which I will check out tonight (Black Enhancer). These forums are great and much appreciated, but they have somehow turned me into a PQ snob that hunts down flaws like a bloodhound. My mother-in law/mother/grandmother/wife think the TV is God's gift while I'm hitting "Menu" every 5 minutes.

I'm running the following seemlessly:

TV: Samsung ES8000
3D Player: Sony BDP-S590
AVR: Yamaha RX-V473

3D works great (Sony --> Yamaha --> Samsung via HDMI with ARC)

hello
Maybe some further clarifications.
With the settings I have with Standard backlight =2, and Movie backlight = 5, the max light output and the minimum black level are the same (provided no dimming takes place in Standard). Therefore, without dimming, clouding is the same. With dimming in Standard mode, clouding is better at the expense of crushed blacks.

The Eco has no effect on clouding. My settings are for a half dark room. For a bright room, in Movie mode, I would have to set backlight at 15 to 20. That makes the picture brighter, but also the clouding. But clouding at backlight 15 in a bright room, would appear similar to clouding at backlight 5 in a half dark room.
The Eco is just an automatic feature to change backlight depending on room brightness. But it does not improve clouding.

A professional calibration is unlikely to improve things. Probably the opposite. We have gone quite far with calibrations in this thread.

I understand your concern, because clouding is also for me the most negative factor on my panel. If it bothers you, try to upgrade to the new F8000 model. Clouding is supposed to be better. There is a review on AVForum which states that clouding is good. But beware that reviewers might get handpicked models from the manufacturer. But less clouding is marketed as a feature of the F8000 compared to the ES8000.

awesome thanks, i read some reviews about receivers not working when its going from Blu Ray player to Receiver to TV.

Which design?

From this thread you should know what about es8000 is. ZT will probably be great set, but still, wait for unbiased users reviews...

Yeah...Best Buy has the 55" F8000 in stock for $2,699. I got my ES8000 + free Samsung Galaxy 2 tablet for $1,825. Not sure I can swing an additional $875. Amazon has 1 review up at the moment complaining about the stand but boasting about the PQ and lack of defects. Claim to have tested in total darkness without a flaw. How do I convince myself to pull this expensive trigger? I would be furious to get it home and realize I'd been duped.

Does this cable look like it would work well with this TV, dont wanna spend hundreds of $ for a monster cable but i also want the best quality to show on my TV and i know a good hdmi cable will be needed.

http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-High-Speed-Cable-Ethernet/dp/B0019EHU8G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363110054&sr=8-1&keywords=media+bridge+hdmi

Hi, HDMI cables are digital cables and they either work or they dont. The only possible place that maybe maybe a higher priced cable should be purchased is if you are running very long cable lengths.

If you are fine with mail ordering a cable, go here -> http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240
And purchase the cheapest cable of appropriate length you need.

Again, HDMI cables either work or they dont, no amount of money spent on cable with have an impact on the picture quality. You can buy me a beer a portion of with your savings

The website's probably showing a 55" model. With "near bezel-less" Samsungs there is a sort of border on larger models that isn't there on the 46/55 inch sets. Probably needed to add some structural rigidity for larger screen sizes. In any case this has been standard practice across different higher end edge-lit Samsungs for the last couple of years.

Check out amazon "blue rigger HDMI". I love the look/feel and ruggedness of these cables. Have them everywhere in my home without a single glitch. Price is very reasonable also, but 10k is correct in stating these work or they don't. I can't believe these audio/video enthusiasts would buy a 15ft "monster gold plated blah blah" for like 80-100$. Total ripoff.

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2700 is a super steep price for a 55 inch, thats nearly 3k with taxes

You're telling me brother. Just found out that my Mazda CX-7 engine may be dead so I may have my answer and it doesn't involve flipping additional cash for a TV...sorry for venting.

Also checkout Menotek cables on Amazon. I just picked up a twenty foot, 1.4 HDMI Menotek for $12.00. Works like a champ. Secures well to the HDMI port. Heavily shielded.

Monoprice, MyCableMart - - lots of good choices.

OK so the much heralded F8000 is starting to show up albeit with about $1,000 premium over the ES8000. So when is the much heralded EVO contraption supposed to drop? Or is sneaky old Samsung trying to lure new TV buyers into F8000 land before they figure out they could get just as good a picture with an ES8000 and the kit? Stay tuned.............

A wise man (aka a guy we know and appreciate)predicted to me ,via email, that Samsung is waiting for the es8000 inventory to deplete 100% before they release the Evo kit because the kit will enable the es to equal the F in pic quality and functionality. Makes sense to me!!!!

Lots of pictures shown as the 65" with the small bezel were actually the 55 and 60. I have one of the first 65" released and knew it had the small bezel with the small ribbon on the screen edge. Did you not see a 65" before you purchased?