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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

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Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

I purchased a Samsung UN65ES8000 Jan 30, returned it Feb 20 for the 70" Sharp 87U, the top model. That TV lasted 7 days before I sent it back for another Samsung 65" 8000. The Sharp's 3D was HORRIBLE. The HD Cable box picture was pretty good, but I could not turn of the SOE no matter what settings I changed. That issue is typical when reading the Sharp thread on the site. The colors where also a bit "off". I just couldn't get a great picture while watching the new batman blu ray. I can honestly say, in my personal opinion, the Sharp 70" doesn't hold a candle to the 65" Samsung 8000, even with the banding.

Tim, nicely put. Sharp for whatever reason simply does not do 3D well which is the main issue I had with the 60ES8000 Sharp panel.

However, the 847u was not Sharps top of the line for 2012.

I can say that if you can ignore the 65ES8000 banding issues, it is the top 3D performer of all the 2012 sets i either had or tested in store.

Thank you,

I guess I shouldn't have said "top model", it was the top model I could get in my area. Sorry.
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I get my new 65es8000 here in a few hours. One thing I've seen is talk about firmware. Should I look for the firmware and make sure they don't update it to any particular firmware or do I get it up to date?
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sorry *double post due to iphone* reply
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The 60" 8000 and 3d! Enough of this balogne how the 60" is a poor performer in 3d. My 60" 8000 processes 3d fantastically with a bright clear detailed picture that is only influenced by quality of source and more pronounced flashlighting.

What exactly is it that people claim the 60" fails with on 3D???
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nycshadow, don't update the FW until you find out version it is...then check with us. IMHO as an owner and follower if thread from the start...1013.2, 1046.2 and 1047 are safe .... some places in menu do not show the .2
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

The 60" 8000 and 3d! Enough of this balogne how the 60" is a poor performer in 3d. My 60" 8000 processes 3d fantastically with a bright clear detailed picture that is only influenced by quality of source and more pronounced flashlighting.

What exactly is it that people claim the 60" fails with on 3D???

Blade, it's not balogne, I'm not the only one who has had multiple ES8000 sizes and verified this. Unless you compare head to head exact same 3D scenes on different sizes, you won't understand what I'm referring to. SharkCohen was the most recent who observed the exact same thing.

Listen, the 3D on the 60ES8000 is fine for anyone who hasn't seen it on another set, but once you see the difference on the 65ES8000 or the 65HX950, you will realize what you are missing. The Avengers topic also is a good example. The hazy/muddled backgrounds often seen on the 60 is much more defined on the other two sets. There is also significantly more crosstalk on the 60 compared to the 65ES8000 on both positive and negative parallax shots.
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camay, please describe your definition of crosstalk and I will look again.. I do have Avengers 3d so that will help. I will report back honestly.
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

A wise man (aka a guy we know and appreciate)predicted to me ,via email, that Samsung is waiting for the es8000 inventory to deplete 100% before they release the Evo kit because the kit will enable the es to equal the F in pic quality and functionality. Makes sense to me!!!!
I don't know about this, with the amount of zones being increased on the new F8000 series.
I did however Order a BD-E6500 Blu-Ray Player to go with my UN55ES8000 on your recommendation. I like having the same manufactures BDP with the Display (if I'm not going all out then it's OPPO for Sure) same manufacture just seems to work seamless together.
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

I get my new 65es8000 here in a few hours. One thing I've seen is talk about firmware. Should I look for the firmware and make sure they don't update it to any particular firmware or do I get it up to date?
When I got my UN55ES8000 a week ago it upgrade the firmware to 1047. I have since turned Standby Update OFF.
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

camay, please describe your definition of crosstalk and I will look again.. I do have Avengers 3d so that will help. I will report back honestly.

Blade, it has nothing to do with being able to look for something on your particular set. The key is whatever crosstalk/ghosting you may see when watching a 3D movie on the 60, is significantly less pronounced on both the 55 and 65. Same goes for the hazy, muddled backgrounds. Much less pronounced on the 55 and 65. Garnosh referenced the Avengers as many commented about that issue in this thread. That's why I mention it.

When the glowing 3D reviews for the ES8000 were published, they were applying that same review for all sizes even though it was the 55 most commonly tested. Problem is since the 60 does not use the same panel as the other sizes, it's 3D performs more like the "Sharp" Elites and Quattrons than it does the 55 and 65 siblings.

BigNewt put it best... Ignorance is bliss. Don't worry about the 3D on the 60 if you are happy with it. I only originally started the topic as I was extremely disappointed when I dropped down to the 60 to avoid the noticeable banding on the 65, to learn that the 3D was not the same. I would have been OK downsizing to the 60 if the 3D was equal, but I wasn't willing to once I learned it was not equal, hence going with the 65HX950. SharkCohen most recently mentioned this when he was upsizing from the 55 to 60 as well as comparing to his dads 65 when he noticed the 60 was inferior to both the 55 and 65 he had extensive time with.

This is not a bash against the ES8000 as I have continually praised the 3D of the ES8000 both here and in other threads/forums sans the 60 model.
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I don't post here often. I read a lot seeking general advice and guidance when planning on making a purchase.

I watch for biased opinions, "fanboy" endorsements and brand loyalists etc. After a while you can separate the "sock folders" from the real world people. You can pick out the tech geeks who allow electronic testing equipment to direct them toward what the machine/program tells them is best. Primarily being led to believe in situations where the sum of the statistics outweighs the whole. Which, in my view can be misleading.

I read a great deal about the Samsung 8000 series and plenty of negative comments. Accordingly, I was guarded and wary about the Samsung when I set out to buy a new 60" TV.

I went to a number of shops and looked at Sony, LG, Sharp, Toshiba, Panasonic and Samsung. I ensured that all of the products on display were being fed the same signal under the same circumstances. Not being concerned with price, I let my eyes alone do the judging. Despite my guarded feelings about the Samsung 8000 series, every time I made the rounds viewing the display models, I was drawn back to the UN60ES8000. It simply stood out from the rest. It became the reference model. The picture was outstanding. I'm certain that if the the UN60 wasn't present, another brand would have taken that position. However, due to the striking picture quality and over all presence of the TV, I put any fears I may have had aside and bought the UN60ES8000. To be on the safe side, considering what many have posted about potential problems, I did buy a four year extended warranty.

I've had the TV for just over a week now and must say that it's a visual treat every time we turn it on. I don't particularly care about all of the techo-wizardry such as voice and gesture control. That's just gimmicks to me. Smart hub is alright but I could easily live without much of the programming being offered.

What I was truly impressed with was how well it intergrated with our wireless laptops. Particularly with the MacBook Pro which was a major pain in the a$$ to get to work with our so called "smart" Sony BDP S770 Blueray. Even to this day, the S770 will barely allow for wireless viewing of images only from the Mac. No video playback whatsoever. It works alright with our Dell and Acer laptops for wireless image and video viewing but nothing but a headache interfacing with the Mac.

The UN60ES8000 had no issues whatsoever communicating with the above mentioned devices and plays back a variety of video formats from the laptops very nicely. That in itself was impressive.

Visually, the TV is rather attractive but that means little to me. I like the fact that it's light and easy to move around. Not that it's going anywhere soon.

Bottom line is that one shouldn't allow observations, opinions and technical knit-picking by others to influence their judgement. Let your eyes make the decision and enjoy. My preference is "Standard" setting. With only a little tinkering, the picture quality is outstanding.
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Wait, so you have the 60" then Blade? I'll update the spreadsheet; I thought you had the 65"

edit: well said, Tarob
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Tarob,
Ditto, very well said as your comment mirrors my whole process and experience pretty much.

Glenee,
You may be right about the zoning. We will find out soon enough. Glad you grabbed the 6500, I love mine. When it dies I want something similar.

Cmay,
Blissfully I shall live on...thanks for the input however I have much doubt in the reports of 60" 3d quality as I have viewed many a panel in 3d as well. Your description of the "known" issues with 3d on the 60" does not matchup with my panel and I do have an educated eye. I think I have one of those "cherry picked" excellent panels!!! wink.gif
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is there any plans in the future that Samsung will implement a feature that allows user to turn Micro Dimming on in Movie mode? i like the colors of the movie mode but i also like Micro Dimming.
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Outstanding Tarob,
It's nice to see another Zebra on this forum with all these Thoroughbreds. I am one who also thinks enjoyment does not come out of a piece of test equipment. These Test DVD's and equipment are a great place to start but the personalism put into final adjustments is where it's at.
I saw the same things as you when I was shopping. I just Hope the durability and longevity of the product hold up as well as the Initial Picture.
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Bladerunner1959, would you happen to know what panel you have?
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

hello Mavinwow,
That looks very nice, and interesting with the contrast.
I had set contrast to 80 to avoid clipping, and to be able to make a comparison with Movie mode, which has no clipping.

But of course, a higher contrast setting would increase peak white, while keeping black level, effectively increasing contrast ratio. Backlight could be then reduced to minimize clouding.
So you set contrast at 85 and you have some mild clipping.

I have seen this done before. See following link:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l47et60b-201302272699.htm?page=Calibration
Here, David Mackenzie does the same thing in order to increase contrast ratio. He does it however to increase the contrast ratio of an IPS panel, which has a higher minimum black level.

One question. Did you calibrate color at 75% luminance or at 100% luminance (I do not know Calman so cannot really see on your graphs)? With the clipping at 100% luminance, color calibration should be done at 75%.

Thanks, the calibrated results on 85 contrast look much better to me and I can live with the clipping. I did calibrate using 75% luminance.
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

great result, thanks for sharing.

I think your difference in reds is because you have tint set at 51/49 instead of 50/50. It's interesting how close our standard mode results actually are, once you consider the difference in tint and green gain/contrast.

Cheers

Agreed, it is odd though how some folks have calibration settings that are completely different, even with a meter. Not sure if it is some element of user error, or that panels really are just that different.
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Cmay,
Blissfully I shall live on...thanks for the input however I have much doubt in the reports of 60" 3d quality as I have viewed many a panel in 3d as well. Your description of the "known" issues with 3d on the 60" does not matchup with my panel and I do have an educated eye. I think I have one of those "cherry picked" excellent panels!!! wink.gif

I must be lucky as well. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding any fault with mine - anywhere 2D, 3D or otherwise. However, I only have ten years of high definition viewing experience on two 56" TVs. There's a good chance that I don't know what to look for. And I'll tell you what, I don't plan on looking for things to look for either. Sit down, turn it on and enjoy. That's what TVs are for - right?
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Galonzo, I have a May 2012 built HS01.

FW on 1046.2
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Galonzo, I have a May 2012 built HS01.

FW on 1046.2

Great, thanks. I updated your Standard mode settings in the spreadsheet (from your post), feel free to make any changes or add notes.
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

is there any plans in the future that Samsung will implement a feature that allows user to turn Micro Dimming on in Movie mode? i like the colors of the movie mode but i also like Micro Dimming.

bump?
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

I must be lucky as well. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding any fault with mine - anywhere 2D, 3D or otherwise. However, I only have ten years of high definition viewing experience on two 56" TVs. There's a good chance that I don't know what to look for. And I'll tell you what, I don't plan on looking for things to look for either. Sit down, turn it on and enjoy. That's what TVs are for - right?

I'm not referring to any known anomalies that can vary from set to set such as banding, flashlighting or clouding, etc.... I'm referring specifically to differences between "Sharp" made panels and "Samsung" made panels found inside ES8000s. There is nothing to look for, since it is not a defect to look for. It's simply limitations of one panel over another just like how some panels have better viewing angles than others, and some panels are more prone to banding than others.

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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Cmay,
Blissfully I shall live on...thanks for the input however I have much doubt in the reports of 60" 3d quality as I have viewed many a panel in 3d as well. Your description of the "known" issues with 3d on the 60" does not matchup with my panel and I do have an educated eye. I think I have one of those "cherry picked" excellent panels!!! wink.gif

Blade, even with your "educated" eye, you can't seriously say the quality of 3D on any of the Sharp brand TVs even remotely equals the quality of 3D on the Samsungs. Putting a "Sharp" panel inside a Samsung ES8000 is not all of a sudden going to magically fix all of the "known" issues with 3D on the Quattrons and Elites just because it's now inside a Sammy. Hence, those same "issues" with 3D that I see and many others see on the Sharps just so happen to be the same "issues" I see on the 60 which aren't an issue with the 55 and 65. It's the same logic as saying putting a Samsung/Sony S-PVA panel into another manufacturers TV that normally uses an IPS panel is not all of a sudden going to fix the off axis viewing angles associated with S-PVA panels. This is why I find your response of "this issue doesn't match up with what your educated eye sees with your own 60ES8000" puzzling since there is nothing to really look for defect wise. Ghosting/Crosstalk is not a defect but a limitation. Fact is "Sharp" panels ALWAYS exhibit more crosstalk than "Samsung" panels, hence your 60ES8000 will exhibit more crosstalk than a 55 or 65 ES8000.

I'm not trying to be hard on you nor doubt the quality of your display as we have chatted many times about (and I have mentioned to others) how good your 60ES8000 is, but in this case..... the 3D on your 60ES8000 whether you notice it or not, simply is not equal to the 55 or 65 for the above mentioned reasons unless they magically replaced the "sharp" panel inside yours with a "samsung", but if they did..... then you would be seeing banding instead.
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

I must be lucky as well. I'm having a great deal of difficulty finding any fault with mine - anywhere 2D, 3D or otherwise. However, I only have ten years of high definition viewing experience on two 56" TVs. There's a good chance that I don't know what to look for. And I'll tell you what, I don't plan on looking for things to look for either. Sit down, turn it on and enjoy. That's what TVs are for - right?

Couldn't agree more. Turn it on, and watch it.
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Please describe crosstalk...
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Please describe crosstalk...

Blade... you are joking right? You don't know what crosstalk is on 3D displays?
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I'm not referring to any known anomalies that can vary from set to set such as banding, flashlighting or clouding, etc.... I'm referring specifically to differences between "Sharp" made panels and "Samsung" made panels found inside ES8000s. There is nothing to look for, since it is not a defect to look for. It's simply limitations of one panel over another just like how some panels have better viewing angles than others, and some panels are more prone to banding than others.

Just curious.

Were Sharp manufactured panels used for all the UN60s sold in North America or were different panels used for TVs sold in the Canadian market?

I personally don't and will not likely watch much 3D. I tested mine with a rather crappy 3D blueray DVD (Dinosaurs Alive). It worked fine. Better than what I had expected. However, I'm certain the source content is questionable at best. I bought it last year to test the Sony 770.

What do people recommed as a good 3D DVD to do a decent evaluation?
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

Just curious.

Were Sharp manufactured panels used for all the UN60s sold in North America or were different panels used for TVs sold in the Canadian market?

I personally don't and will not likely watch much 3D. I tested mine with a rather crappy 3D blueray DVD (Dinosaurs Alive). It worked fine. Better than what I had expected. However, I'm certain the source content is questionable at best. I bought it last year to test the Sony 770.

What do people recommed as a good 3D DVD to do a decent evaluation?

In regards to putting a set through a torture test or a visual treat?

Torture test..... Hugo

Visual treat.... Just about any Pixar 3D release with the exception of TS1.
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

I tested mine with a rather crappy 3D blueray DVD (Dinosaurs Alive). It worked fine. Better than what I had expected. However, I'm certain the source content is questionable at best. I bought it last year to test the Sony 770.

Dinosaurs Alive is actually not a bad 3D bluray at all, especially considering when it first came out. The IMAX film got average 3D reviews only because most of the displays 2 years ago exhibited major cross talk compared to 2012 models and had trouble handling most of the IMAX documentaries at that time. Now re-watching on a more up to date display gives a much more satisfying 3D presentation than on the older TVs, but it will still exhibit crosstalk, just not nearly as much as before. When watching on my 65VT30, the crosstalk is definitely distracting. When watching on my 65HX950, it is really only noticeable on just a few sequences on extreme parallax shots.
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Cmay, I wanted your definition. I honestly don't think my panel displays it per the text book definition so to speak.

Oh, I don't think you are being ruff on me cmay. I realize you went through multiple panels and invested in a Sony before you ever had a chance to experience the 8000 in your home with an excellent fw such as 1046.2.

that in itself is unfortunate for you. As they say...cheers
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