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post #13621 of 16125
Ok so here is my new ES658000 tv. I pulled up a solid black screen and I can see this banding but only when I stand to the side of it and when I right click on the photo and bring up the menus(this is using windows 7 picture viewe) Other than that I can't see it that bad unless you were really looking for it. Not sure if the white menu bar makes it more cloudy or it just brings it out more.

Also how can I check to see which panel I have without looking in the back of the tv? What do you guys think about my set should I set up a replacement cause of the banding? Mind you I've only had it for like 5 hours.

EDIT- i found it out it is a MH02, I did my calibration using Hamenoskill settings. Are there any preferred settings in this link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ah17fhDrSz0ldE42VnJUaUV6ZHVfNU5iNEE2bG5oaUE&usp=sharing
Edited by nycshadow - 3/15/13 at 8:31pm
post #13622 of 16125
10k and Jestered have really nice results, (not to take anything away from anyone else) but I know just from browsing the forums they have gotten some nice feedback. Again, I am partial to my settings because its my TV smile.gif. Take your time and try a few out. Before I did my calibrations, I played the same scene from the same movie with a few different settings, trying to look how specific colors "pop" with each setting. Its all personal preference. My settings were for a fairly dim-lit room. Did you take a liking to the settings?

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post #13623 of 16125
I'm running Bladerunners STANDARD settings and 10k for MOVIE. My TV agrees with theirs best. It seems like MOVIE mode calibrated just tries to get closer to STANDARD which is why I like 10k's. hope you don't spend more time calibrating than watching as I have. I'll sit on this forum while my ES8000 is doing its thing. I realize I'm not even watching...I'm an idiot.
post #13624 of 16125
Anyone findiing the Darblet worth the $300+ that little gadget costs, with these TVs?
post #13625 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Ok so here is my new ES658000 tv. I pulled up a solid black screen and I can see this banding but only when I stand to the side of it and when I right click on the photo and bring up the menus(this is using windows 7 picture viewe) Other than that I can't see it that bad unless you were really looking for it. Not sure if the white menu bar makes it more cloudy or it just brings it out more.

Also how can I check to see which panel I have without looking in the back of the tv? What do you guys think about my set should I set up a replacement cause of the banding? Mind you I've only had it for like 5 hours.

EDIT- i found it out it is a MH02, I did my calibration using Hamenoskill settings. Are there any preferred settings in this link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ah17fhDrSz0ldE42VnJUaUV6ZHVfNU5iNEE2bG5oaUE&usp=sharing

If you really want to check for banding..... use solid white, off white, and grey solid screens. You typically should not see any banding on black screens.

To check your own tolerance to see if you can live with it.... use panning sequences such as a hockey or soccer game or with blurays with panning. (PM me if you need specific scenes from movies).

Doing this will help you determine if you have banding you can live with or not.
post #13626 of 16125
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Anyone findiing the Darblet worth the $300+ that little gadget costs, with these TVs?

IMRIZZO over at the HX929 thread just got one the other day. He is going to post his thoughts/results in regards to how the Darblet works with his set. Even though it's a different set, the main key is finding out how these HDMI processors fair with LED in general, as many of the current owners seem to be Plasma guys.
post #13627 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Quick question, I currently have a Onkyo SR608 which I just reailzed is not 3D compatible, does this mean I wont be able to watch 3D Movies if my TV is hooked to the receiver? I also plan on buying a 3D Blu Ray Player which I want to hook up to my Onkyo (which is not 3D capable) will this limit the 3D viewing and will I end up having to directly connect the 3D Blu Ray Player directly to the TV?

EDIT- just read these specs on my receiever

HDMI (Version 1.4 to Support 3D and Audio Return Channel)

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR608-7-2-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B003BIFOL8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363279025&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+sr608

I have the 608, 3D is working well.
post #13628 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

The 60" 8000 and 3d! Enough of this balogne how the 60" is a poor performer in 3d. My 60" 8000 processes 3d fantastically with a bright clear detailed picture that is only influenced by quality of source and more pronounced flashlighting.

What exactly is it that people claim the 60" fails with on 3D???

3D on my 60" was terrible, that's why it went back. 3D was not rendered properly, the left and right images would not align. It was not crosstalk, it was a rendering issue. Knowing now that it was a Sharp panel explains why.
post #13629 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

Just curious.

Were Sharp manufactured panels used for all the UN60s sold in North America or were different panels used for TVs sold in the Canadian market?

I personally don't and will not likely watch much 3D. I tested mine with a rather crappy 3D blueray DVD (Dinosaurs Alive). It worked fine. Better than what I had expected. However, I'm certain the source content is questionable at best. I bought it last year to test the Sony 770.

What do people recommed as a good 3D DVD to do a decent evaluation?

Tron Legacy. The high contrast images are a 3D torture test.
post #13630 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

Just curious.

Were Sharp manufactured panels used for all the UN60s sold in North America or were different panels used for TVs sold in the Canadian market?

I personally don't and will not likely watch much 3D. I tested mine with a rather crappy 3D blueray DVD (Dinosaurs Alive). It worked fine. Better than what I had expected. However, I'm certain the source content is questionable at best. I bought it last year to test the Sony 770.

What do people recommed as a good 3D DVD to do a decent evaluation?

Tron Legacy. The high contrast images are a 3D torture test.
post #13631 of 16125
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Anyone findiing the Darblet worth the $300+ that little gadget costs, with these TVs?


FYI - my experience with the Darbee Darblet and my UN65ES8000 Sammy TV back in December, 2012:

12.11.12

REPORT: Darbee Darblet a Real Downer

1. Remote D.O.A. - never worked.

2. Zero improvement on picture quality.

Sorry to say, this didn't work for me and I am returning it.

I have the Samsung UN65ES8000 LCD/LED. I also have a Pioneer SC-65 with Marvell QDEO video processing and that may have something to do with the lack of results.

It probably works best for (1) projectors, (2) DLP's or (3) Plasmas where you are looking to sharpen the picture - - although there have been write-ups from Plasma users who did not see any appreciable difference in picture quality.

I do not believe this is a good fit for current LCD/LED technology. And it really matters what your starting point is - PQ wise. Make sure you are pushing a clean signal, as well.

And above all - - make sure you have an adequate return policy like Amazon Prime.
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IMHO - if you already have a very sharp, detailed picture with your Sammy set - - I do not think you'll see any appreciable difference in your PQ - - but if you do buy - - make sure you can return it. I think the Darblet is great for projector technology - - especially those projectors that put out a "soft" picture to begin with.
Edited by Ricoflashback - 3/16/13 at 7:11am
post #13632 of 16125
One thing I've noticed since installing the UN60ES8000 is that occasionally, my wireless system seems to freeze. I've only had the TV for a week and have begun to notice that after turning the TV on, sometimes our computers appear to lose contact with the router. If I unplug the router and plug it back in, all is well. I'm not getting any warnings on the laptops indicating a problem. I'm wondering if there's an issue with too much traffic for the router?

Right now, I have the TV hard wired to the router and set for "wired". I did this to improve video streaming from the laptops. Playing videos from the laptops wirelessly, would result in a fair amount of pausing (loading) content. Not sure where the problem might be. The router is a Linksys 2.4 GHz. I have seven wireless devices talking to it. The Sony 770 blueray, a PSP3, an HP printer, three laptops and the TV.

Does anyone have any suggestions for probable cause?
post #13633 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

One thing I've noticed since installing the UN60ES8000 is that occasionally, my wireless system seems to freeze. I've only had the TV for a week and have begun to notice that after turning the TV on, sometimes our computers appear to lose contact with the router. If I unplug the router and plug it back in, all is well. I'm not getting any warnings on the laptops indicating a problem. I'm wondering if there's an issue with too much traffic for the router?

Right now, I have the TV hard wired to the router and set for "wired". I did this to improve video streaming from the laptops. Playing videos from the laptops wirelessly, would result in a fair amount of pausing (loading) content. Not sure where the problem might be. The router is a Linksys 2.4 GHz. I have seven wireless devices talking to it. The Sony 770 blueray, a PSP3, an HP printer, three laptops and the TV.

Does anyone have any suggestions for probable cause?

Wireless connections can always be tricky. I ended up getting an ActionTec Ethernet Powerline Adaptor hooked into a router for all my "Internet" connection needs.

If you can - - I'd stay the hard wired route. It just works better, IMHO. Otherwise, you could be troubleshooting everything from your location, wireless router, provider, etc.

When I do stream movies, it's just more convenient to ensure no wireless hiccups.
post #13634 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

IMRIZZO over at the HX929 thread just got one the other day. He is going to post his thoughts/results in regards to how the Darblet works with his set. Even though it's a different set, the main key is finding out how these HDMI processors fair with LED in general, as many of the current owners seem to be Plasma guys.
Interesting point. Thnx.
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

FYI - my experience with the Darbee Darblet and my UN65ES8000 Sammy TV back in December, 2012:
...It probably works best for (1) projectors, (2) DLP's or (3) Plasmas where you are looking to sharpen the picture - - although there have been write-ups from Plasma users who did not see any appreciable difference in picture quality.
I do not believe this is a good fit for current LCD/LED technology. And it really matters what your starting point is - PQ wise. Make sure you are pushing a clean signal, as well.
And above all - - make sure you have an adequate return policy like Amazon Prime.
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IMHO - if you already have a very sharp, detailed picture with your Sammy set - - I do not think you'll see any appreciable difference in your PQ - - but if you do buy - - make sure you can return it. I think the Darblet is great for projector technology - - especially those projectors that put out a "soft" picture to begin with.
Now I remember your review. Thnx. That's exactly what's been holding me back from this latest toy. I am already quite impressed with my PQ irt depth and clarity- when the TV is fed a good source it is practically hypnotizing. attuverse HD movies and NatGeo specials, etc are really VG and BluRay PQ is stunning. Guests agree.
post #13635 of 16125
I have 2 Apple Airport Extreme Wireless Router's one at each end of the house. One of them is set as a extension of the other. The main one is hard wired to the modem and the other is hard wired to the main one. I run all pieces of equipment that has the capability wireless. I don't have any problems streaming anything (Netflix Etc)to any Display's or Bluray Players. I am not telling you go out and buy new equipment. A lot of times Wireless network problems start in the set-up and positioning of those units. I try to never let 2 routers operate as 2 independent networks. When they are this close together they just seem to fight each other and drop out alot. They just seem to be more seamless in their operation when you run them as a extension of each other. The Hard wiring between the 2 is a must. They have to have uninterrupted signal between the 2 to operate flawlessly together. If you have ever heard the expression The Right hand has to Know what the Left Hands doing, this sure applies here.

Just Some Tit for Tat.
Edited by Glenee - 3/16/13 at 8:11am
post #13636 of 16125
Hey guys, I've been playing around with the default settings after upgrading to fw 1047 just using the disney wow calibration disk. I can honestly say i'm happy with my settings now, just from the way I see and like it. Something I could never say and do from the previous updates, opting for the popular and calibrated settings found in this forum (from nitra, garnoch and even recently 10k - thanks guys). I'm even surprised that I have lesser clouding now more than before. Now, I'm not saying that my settings are "technically" correct nor am I saying that mine is better than the ones from the good calibrators here, i'm just saying that it IS NOW possible to be happy and satisfied with just a little bit of tweaking from the default settings.
post #13637 of 16125
Question Guys, I am torn between getting the UN60ES8000 or the UN60F8000. The deals for the ES are pretty good and was wondering if it would be better just to wait for the newer model with better uniformity and no flash-lighting? Thanks
post #13638 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

If you really want to check for banding..... use solid white, off white, and grey solid screens. You typically should not see any banding on black screens.

To check your own tolerance to see if you can live with it.... use panning sequences such as a hockey or soccer game or with blurays with panning. (PM me if you need specific scenes from movies).

Doing this will help you determine if you have banding you can live with or not.

So what do you think my screen has with the black screen? Can you tell me which movies I can use for banding to see if its tolerable.
post #13639 of 16125
The price difference will likely be considerable. New models alway extract a premium and outgoing models often are nicely discounted.

Chances are you can get a UN60ES8000 for quite a bit less than an F. Also remember the is the evolution kit available for the E models. Not sure what it will do performance wise. However, that might level the performance between the two. I guess it all depends on how much you want to spend.
post #13640 of 16125
Glenee is dead on. Run the 2nd extender configuration. My wife is a published network/call center specialist and set us up that way as well. I leave all things telephony and connectivity to her...i just pick the hardware and sit on my gluttonous maximus and enjoy.
post #13641 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

So what do you think my screen has with the black screen? Can you tell me which movies I can use for banding to see if its tolerable.

Hard to tell from that photo. Try taking a straight on photo in the dark. That will help tell if it is flashlighting, light bleed or just reflections from the angle you took the black screen photo with.

Wreck it Ralph and the bad-anon meeting is a good one in regards to panning. It does a 360 around the group circle.
post #13642 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Hard to tell from that photo. Try taking a straight on photo in the dark. That will help tell if it is flashlighting, light bleed or just reflections from the angle you took the black screen photo with.

Wreck it Ralph and the bad-anon meeting is a good one in regards to panning. It does a 360 around the group circle.

Here is a photo with the white background and also a straight black photo.


post #13643 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Here is a photo with the white background and also a straight black photo.



I would consider yours very minimal vertical banding for a 65ES8000 and comparable to the level of banding I had on mine in the pictures below.

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Unfortunately, eventhough my level of banding was less severe as others have posted pics of.... I ultimately was not able to tolerate the banding with panning sequences.

Overall though, your set looks very good uniformity wise for a 65ES8000, much better than some of the more recent pics of banding uploaded by thread contributors and could be a keeper if the panning sequences do not become too distracting. Keep us updated. smile.gif
post #13644 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I would consider yours very minimal vertical banding for a 65ES8000 and comparable to the level of banding I had on mine in the pictures below.

LL

LL

Unfortunately, eventhough my level of banding was less severe as others have posted pics of.... I ultimately was not able to tolerate the banding with panning sequences.

Overall though, your set looks very good uniformity wise for a 65ES8000, much better than some of the more recent pics of banding uploaded by thread contributors and could be a keeper if the panning sequences do not become too distracting. Keep us updated. smile.gif

Will do, what other movies can I see this panning. Does it have to be an actual real copy or is a 1080p Blu ray download version enough. Does the panning have to do anything with refresh rate? If so I thought this had the highest refresh rate for a led tv at 240hz.
post #13645 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Will do, what other movies can I see this panning. Does it have to be an actual real copy or is a 1080p Blu ray download version enough. Does the panning have to do anything with refresh rate? If so I thought this had the highest refresh rate for a led tv at 240hz.

The banding you will be testing for is not source dependent, so it can be tv, bluray, sports... anything with panning. I recommend hockey if there is a game on tonight or on the NHL network. Keep in mind, ALL LEDs over 65 will have banding to a certain degree, not just Samsung. It's nature if the beast when you get up in size class.
post #13646 of 16125
I went to Bestbuy today and they told me the evo kit will be available in May for 299.99.
post #13647 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Will do, what other movies can I see this panning. Does it have to be an actual real copy or is a 1080p Blu ray download version enough. Does the panning have to do anything with refresh rate? If so I thought this had the highest refresh rate for a led tv at 240hz.

A great disk to test banding is actually Jeepers Creepers. Lots of grassy areas at the start of the movie and blue skies. It was the disk that helped me decide I couldn't live with the banding on my 65".

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post #13648 of 16125
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Originally Posted by bigraytk View Post

I went to Bestbuy today and they told me the evo kit will be available in May for 299.99.
The price is right if it does something to increase the performance of the set itself. I think I have made my decision on this and here is what I came up with.
1. If it does something for picture Quality and General perfomance of the Set I will Buy It.
2. If it's just consist of more Apps and Internet Mumbo Jumbo, Then No. I will do it much cheaper thru a Updated BluRay Player and then Hook it Up to the Display.
3. If this is some kinda Force feed where your Display will not operate properly if you don't have it, and they could of made it operate properly with a Firmware or Software Update without the EVO Kit. I will never Own another Samsung Product in my Lifetime again. I just don't go for that Kinda SH$T.
That's my Opinion
post #13649 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Here is a photo with the white background and also a straight black photo.



Sorry to see you are unfortunate to get one like mine was.
post #13650 of 16125
To my surprise that 65ES8000 sold out at Amazon. So my panel lottery fun is gone and that maybe a good thing. I ended up buying a 60. I hope the first one is good enough to stay. My 7100 passed all tests.
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