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post #13831 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

you were smart, you would sell the 65 and order another 60 smile.gif

+1

And hope they do it a few more times so you can then get the really good one, Sony hx950
post #13832 of 16125
I tried the VUDU and HULA apps tonight..... For some reason Samsung has set the TV so it locks out the P. Size button in Smart Hub Video apps. I could not zoom up on anything that was widescreen. I feel the option to zoom or not zoom should be up to the TV's owner. Other manufacturers have the aspect choices active all the time. This is BS. frown.gif
post #13833 of 16125
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

No real details & more vague info leading ppl to believe you'll get the same PQ as newer model TV's, just as i thought when buying this TV.
I feel decieved by samsung if all this evo kit does is "advance smart hub" features & thats all.
People are not that dumb that they can't connect their laptop,pc,smart phone, console to use those devices apps.
The more i keep hearing abouit this bloody SCAM called evo kit the more my blood boils

I find it funny how the canadian samsung site still has NO info on what FW 1047 does.
i am starting to get paranoid, maybe 1047 will automatically update it's self to 1048 the es(extreme ****)8000 PQ slayer update.

You are sooo right. I too feel that Evo Kit is just another way to get the customer's money. Not fair.
That smart hub should be upgraded in a digital update rather than another processor. I would not bother about Samsung's smart hub or smart gesture as I have my PC hooked up to the TV too.
All I want a LED with good external design and great picture quality with lots of settings to change the PQ according to my own taste.
Samsung can produce a TV like that at more affordable price.

I'm NOT interested now in anything being called SMART. It sounds to me that it equals to DUMB.
post #13834 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

That's not what I've read, but then again none of us know anything about what it's really going to do until it's released and we start using it. I personally think that anyone who purchased the ES8000 because of the evo kit, well, you only set yourself up for disappointment.

What I read is that the dual core processor is going to be running the GPU and the evo kits quad core is the CPU. Again, we won't know until it's actually been released.

The dual core used as a gpu sounds interesting & is the f8000 similarly designed ?
Yea, i guess i have set myself up for disappointment since i use it as a monitor & for gaming.
I gather Most of the users here are primarily concerned about movies & sports.
1 other thing, when i say PQ i am talking about making the 3D function more efficiently, getting rid of artifacts i see in gaming due to processing/over processing, decreasing the input lag, increasing the response time...etc
Obviously some of these will be better off due to the increase in memory & additional cores.
I NEVER expected the actual panel to be better, just the additional hardware/software.
Edited by OugaBooga - 3/21/13 at 2:12am
post #13835 of 16125
Yup, I told every salesperson when I was shopping that I wanted a dumb tv with an amazing pic and to cease pitching me the crap.

A freeeee FW update should provide most of what the EVO kit is apparently going to provide.

As far as smart hub picture size, since I stream it all from my bd-e6500 I have complete control of that in the bluray player menu. That's just one reason to justify separate duties in the hardware.

I feel bad for my 8000 compadres who experience odd behavior which I always thought is due to this whole convergence goal. Smart is also dumb.

I guess that's why I am such a fanboy: I had low expectations going in cuz I loved the PQ of the 8000 knowing the inherent faults of led and never cared about smart features figuring o would tinker later.

Yes, I do "tell" my tv to turn on and off sometimes.
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 3/21/13 at 5:26am
post #13836 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I tried the VUDU and HULA apps tonight..... For some reason Samsung has set the TV so it locks out the P. Size button in Smart Hub Video apps. I could not zoom up on anything that was widescreen. I feel the option to zoom or not zoom should be up to the TV's owner. Other manufacturers have the aspect choices active all the time. This is BS. frown.gif

Also, I cannot get 1080p through TV Smart Hub. It works on my Samsung bd6500 Bluray player, through its smart hub. Also, the same with Netflix. I will check to see if the aspect ratio works on the bluray and get back to you.
post #13837 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Yes, you're right I'm from England, it was happening on my Sky TV source, hope it goes well, I'll look out for your updates and will let you know how I get on

The service folks are coming out on Monday March 25th. They did not ask for any pictures, and I told both Samsung and the repair people I had a photo. The service gal stated that they were waiting for the part. I inquired as to what part, and did they know what the problem was. They stated it was a part to fix the vertical lines and not a big deal to fix. I said like a motherboard or video card, she said yea. How they knew from just my "testimony" was kind of scary. Anyway, this is the most current info I have on my repair. More to come.....eek.gif
post #13838 of 16125
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Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

Here is the banding from my MH02 panel. (UN65ES8000) I scheduled a service call, but am considering just returning it. I really don't know what to do, there are no other TV's on the market right now that will work for me.












Tim, honestly..., I'd just cancel your service call. There is really nothing they can do. Sure they may try replacing the panel, but I don't recall anyone in this thread having that resolve the banding. If anything you may wind up with the same banding and dead pixels to boot.

You already tried Sharp.... So I guess that is out of the question.

Are you willing to downsize to 60?

Are you willing to spend double on the 65HX950 $2600 vs $5200?

Are you willing to wait until May to see if the 65F8000 ($4300) is any better banding wise (which I am confident in saying it will still have banding issues, hopefully not as bad as some of the 65ES8000s.)

You are in a tough position. There really aren't a lot of options when it comes to 65+ screens.

Also keep in mind, regardless of what brand, there will always be a degree of banding seen especially with panning sequences. Obviously if you can see the banding that blatantly on the green, red, and blue slides, it is certainly visible even on non panning shots with sky, water and desert etc scenes.

I'm confident in also saying that you won't find anything remotely close to the 65ES8000 even factoring the banding in for just $2600 unless you go plasma.
post #13839 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

The service folks are coming out on Monday March 25th. They did not ask for any pictures, and I told both Samsung and the repair people I had a photo. The service gal stated that they were waiting for the part. I inquired as to what part, and did they know what the problem was. They stated it was a part to fix the vertical lines and not a big deal to fix. I said like a motherboard or video card, she said yea. How they knew from just my "testimony" was kind of scary. Anyway, this is the most current info I have on my repair. More to come.....eek.gif

Do you have photos of your vertical lines from you tv?
post #13840 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

Do you have photos of your vertical lines from you tv?

Yes, this is one I have, and it is the same image that I always get. I have to turn the Tv off and then on, and it is OK after that. It happens randomly. IMAG0054.jpg 892k .jpg file
post #13841 of 16125
Ha. I also feel stuck as I must have a 65"+ in order to fit my space. I am leaning towards just pulling the trigger already on the 65ES8000 from Amazon. But what seems to keep me from doing so is the doom and gloom in this thread. Is anyone really happy with their 65" panel? I really think if I had avoided this thread I probably could have just lived with the banding but now if I am to buy the TV I am going to look for the banding every minute I watch. eek.gif Hope I will eventually be able to get over it since I am not sure I can wait for the F panel anymore and will be a bit too pricey on a TV currently.
post #13842 of 16125
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Originally Posted by skinsfanin1979 View Post

Ha. I also feel stuck as I must have a 65"+ in order to fit my space. I am leaning towards just pulling the trigger already on the 65ES8000 from Amazon. But what seems to keep me from doing so is the doom and gloom in this thread. Is anyone really happy with their 65" panel? I really think if I had avoided this thread I probably could have just lived with the banding but now if I am to buy the TV I am going to look for the banding every minute I watch. eek.gif Hope I will eventually be able to get over it since I am not sure I can wait for the F panel anymore and will be a bit too pricey on a TV currently.

Yes, BigNewt and Rico are two regulars who have 65ES8000s that they are happy with. But as mentioned, banding will be present to a certain degree on ANY led set 65 and larger especially on panning sequences.... So it's not just a Samsung issue, rather an issue with manufacturing and the technology in general for these large panels.

Also, don't be too hard on yourself. At some point you would have noticed the banding and found your way in here. Better to know now and have realistic expectations when you do choosr a tv than being stuck with a tv that you are not happy with or mired in a warranty claim.
post #13843 of 16125
To be honest I'm happy with my TV, no real complaints. There are issues that people state in here but it comes with every TV, I havent experienced real horrible banding yet but am still looking out for it.
post #13844 of 16125
Thanks guys. Perhaps I just needed a bit of reassurance. I posted earlier in this thread regarding extended warranty. Is there a preferred place to purchase? i.e. Samsung or Squaretrade? Any better than others when it comes to responding to service calls?

Thanks!
post #13845 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

To be honest I'm happy with my TV, no real complaints. There are issues that people state in here but it comes with every TV, I havent experienced real horrible banding yet but am still looking out for it.

Just watch a hockey game.
post #13846 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Also, I cannot get 1080p through TV Smart Hub. It works on my Samsung bd6500 Bluray player, through its smart hub. Also, the same with Netflix. I will check to see if the aspect ratio works on the bluray and get back to you.

Thank you. smile.gif
post #13847 of 16125
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Originally Posted by skinsfanin1979 View Post

Ha. I also feel stuck as I must have a 65"+ in order to fit my space. I am leaning towards just pulling the trigger already on the 65ES8000 from Amazon. But what seems to keep me from doing so is the doom and gloom in this thread. Is anyone really happy with their 65" panel? I really think if I had avoided this thread I probably could have just lived with the banding but now if I am to buy the TV I am going to look for the banding every minute I watch. eek.gif Hope I will eventually be able to get over it since I am not sure I can wait for the F panel anymore and will be a bit too pricey on a TV currently.

living with visible banding is like living with screen burn in (ir fades, burn in does not). If you don't pay that much attention to outdoor scenes you probably won't care.
post #13848 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Just watch a hockey game.

i see 'banding' on hockey on my plasma even wink.gif
post #13849 of 16125
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Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

Here is the banding from my MH02 panel. (UN65ES8000) I scheduled a service call, but am considering just returning it. I really don't know what to do, there are no other TV's on the market right now that will work for me.














Here's my thinking. You may consider returning it because the F8000 and F8500 series are now out. The difference in price will only be a few hundred dollars when taking into consideration that you will in all likelihood buy an Evo Kit ($300).

I myself am on a precipice. I'm a solid LED guy because I like the pop. However, I love the colors and realism of the plasma. But in the past, plasmas have been much too dark for my liking. The F8500 is said to have more light (pop) than most LED's and has much deeper blacks than the E8000. To me, that's would be the best of both worlds! If all the hype by Samsung and its vendors prove to be true - I'll have a new plasma toy (Mea Culpa!). However, before I fork over the cash for this beast I will need to see some unbiased and professional reviews. I'm certainly not gong to be "Mikey"... I haven't yet bought into Samsung's claim (rhetoric) that their F8500 plasma has as much or more pop than its ES8000 series. Time will only tell but, the problem is that I want the beast on my shelf now!
post #13850 of 16125
So I have my 65 MH02 for 10 mins. I did a few checks. I saw the VB but not serious. Then - I found a light pixel on the screen. What's Samsung's light pixel policy? It's at the upper middle. I used Pixel flipper a bit but couldn't get rid of it. Honestly, I won't see this pixel at my viewing distance. But given my HS01 panel is perfect, I would expect the same for 65.

What should I do?
post #13851 of 16125
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Originally Posted by quicknick View Post

Here's my thinking. You may consider returning it because the F8000 and F8500 series are now out. The difference in price will only be a few hundred dollars when taking into consideration that you will in all likelihood buy an Evo Kit ($300).

I myself am on a precipice. I'm a solid LED guy because I like the pop. However, I love the colors and realism of the plasma. But in the past, plasmas have been much too dark for my liking. The F8500 is said to have more light (pop) than most LED's and has much deeper blacks than the E8000. To me, that's would be the best of both worlds! If all the hype by Samsung and its vendors prove to be true - I'll have a new plasma toy (Mea Culpa!). However, before I fork over the cash for this beast I will need to see some unbiased and professional reviews. I'm certainly not gong to be "Mikey"... I haven't yet bought into Samsung's claim (rhetoric) that their F8500 plasma has as much or more pop than its ES8000 series. Time will only tell but, the problem is that I want the beast on my shelf now!

65F8000 - $4300
65ES8000 - $2600 + $300 = $2900

I'd say $1400 is more than just a few hundred.
post #13852 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

So I have my 65 MH02 for 10 mins. I did a few checks. I saw the VB but not serious. Then - I found a light pixel on the screen. What's Samsung's light pixel policy? It's at the upper middle. I used Pixel flipper a bit but couldn't get rid of it. Honestly, I won't see this pixel at my viewing distance. But given my HS01 panel is perfect, I would expect the same for 65.

What should I do?

so you have 2 tvs and one is perfect and the other is not? seems like a no brainer to me unless the 60 is too small.
post #13853 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

65F8000 - $4300
65ES8000 - $2600 + $300 = $2900

I'd say $1400 is more than just a few hundred.


CMAY - I was talking about the F8500 plasma compared to the 65 ES8000 LED. I don't know where you got your pricing but simply check Amazon for pre-order pricing.

65 ES800 + Evo Kit - $2900 - 3000

65 F8500 - $3400 - 3500

($500 or so difference)
In my opinion, when you're talking about this size of a purchase and the potential bang for your buck, it's only a difference of few (several) hundred bucks. To rid yourself of banding, bleeding and flashlight issues, it's dollars well spent. However, I'm aware that a few hundred bucks may be a lot to some and I certainly appreciate that. I'm only speaking from my perspective and a dollar cost analysis.
Edited by quicknick - 3/21/13 at 9:59am
post #13854 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

so you have 2 tvs and one is perfect and the other is not? seems like a no brainer to me unless the 60 is too small.

I was actually going to give vertical banding a try. The uniformility is not as good as HS01 but that might be acceptable. The light pixel now bothers me.
post #13855 of 16125
as far as Banding is this what y'all are referring to? If so I really havent seen it, i will try to watch a hockey game and see if i can notice it. But the one time I did watch one i didnt see it, probably wasnt looking hard enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YUOOYUqYIQ
post #13856 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nycshadow View Post

as far as Banding is this what y'all are referring to? If so I really havent seen it, i will try to watch a hockey game and see if i can notice it. But the one time I did watch one i didnt see it, probably wasnt looking hard enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YUOOYUqYIQ

that's not banding. Try looking up the page a bit and you'll see pretty clear pictures of it, or just click on my profile and I have a quick pic of it on my es8000
post #13857 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

I was actually going to give vertical banding a try. The uniformility is not as good as HS01 but that might be acceptable. The light pixel now bothers me.

Guys, if I cannot see dead pixel in the viewing distance, should I need to bother? Would dead pixel "grow" in the future?
post #13858 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

I was actually going to give vertical banding a try. The uniformility is not as good as HS01 but that might be acceptable. The light pixel now bothers me.


as long as your happy. enjoy the ride cool.gif
post #13859 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

that's not banding. Try looking up the page a bit and you'll see pretty clear pictures of it, or just click on my profile and I have a quick pic of it on my es8000

great.. now the guy is going to look for it and then find some and be mad.

if you were nice, you should just tell him to do himself a favor don't worry about it. lol
post #13860 of 16125
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

that's not banding. Try looking up the page a bit and you'll see pretty clear pictures of it, or just click on my profile and I have a quick pic of it on my es8000

ah ok so here is the one I had posted, which cmay said wasnt that bad maybe thats why i havent seen any issues.

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