Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 462

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And hope they do it a few more times so you can then get the really good one, Sony hx950

I tried the VUDU and HULA apps tonight..... For some reason Samsung has set the TV so it locks out the P. Size button in Smart Hub Video apps. I could not zoom up on anything that was widescreen. I feel the option to zoom or not zoom should be up to the TV's owner. Other manufacturers have the aspect choices active all the time. This is BS.

You are sooo right. I too feel that Evo Kit is just another way to get the customer's money. Not fair.
That smart hub should be upgraded in a digital update rather than another processor. I would not bother about Samsung's smart hub or smart gesture as I have my PC hooked up to the TV too.
All I want a LED with good external design and great picture quality with lots of settings to change the PQ according to my own taste.
Samsung can produce a TV like that at more affordable price.

I'm NOT interested now in anything being called SMART. It sounds to me that it equals to DUMB.

The dual core used as a gpu sounds interesting & is the f8000 similarly designed ?
Yea, i guess i have set myself up for disappointment since i use it as a monitor & for gaming.
I gather Most of the users here are primarily concerned about movies & sports.
1 other thing, when i say PQ i am talking about making the 3D function more efficiently, getting rid of artifacts i see in gaming due to processing/over processing, decreasing the input lag, increasing the response time...etc
Obviously some of these will be better off due to the increase in memory & additional cores.
I NEVER expected the actual panel to be better, just the additional hardware/software.
Edited by OugaBooga - 3/21/13 at 2:12am

Yup, I told every salesperson when I was shopping that I wanted a dumb tv with an amazing pic and to cease pitching me the crap.

A freeeee FW update should provide most of what the EVO kit is apparently going to provide.

As far as smart hub picture size, since I stream it all from my bd-e6500 I have complete control of that in the bluray player menu. That's just one reason to justify separate duties in the hardware.

I feel bad for my 8000 compadres who experience odd behavior which I always thought is due to this whole convergence goal. Smart is also dumb.

I guess that's why I am such a fanboy: I had low expectations going in cuz I loved the PQ of the 8000 knowing the inherent faults of led and never cared about smart features figuring o would tinker later.

Yes, I do "tell" my tv to turn on and off sometimes.
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 3/21/13 at 5:26am

Also, I cannot get 1080p through TV Smart Hub. It works on my Samsung bd6500 Bluray player, through its smart hub. Also, the same with Netflix. I will check to see if the aspect ratio works on the bluray and get back to you.

The service folks are coming out on Monday March 25th. They did not ask for any pictures, and I told both Samsung and the repair people I had a photo. The service gal stated that they were waiting for the part. I inquired as to what part, and did they know what the problem was. They stated it was a part to fix the vertical lines and not a big deal to fix. I said like a motherboard or video card, she said yea. How they knew from just my "testimony" was kind of scary. Anyway, this is the most current info I have on my repair. More to come.....

Tim, honestly..., I'd just cancel your service call. There is really nothing they can do. Sure they may try replacing the panel, but I don't recall anyone in this thread having that resolve the banding. If anything you may wind up with the same banding and dead pixels to boot.

You already tried Sharp.... So I guess that is out of the question.

Are you willing to downsize to 60?

Are you willing to spend double on the 65HX950 $2600 vs $5200?

Are you willing to wait until May to see if the 65F8000 ($4300) is any better banding wise (which I am confident in saying it will still have banding issues, hopefully not as bad as some of the 65ES8000s.)

You are in a tough position. There really aren't a lot of options when it comes to 65+ screens.

Also keep in mind, regardless of what brand, there will always be a degree of banding seen especially with panning sequences. Obviously if you can see the banding that blatantly on the green, red, and blue slides, it is certainly visible even on non panning shots with sky, water and desert etc scenes.

I'm confident in also saying that you won't find anything remotely close to the 65ES8000 even factoring the banding in for just $2600 unless you go plasma.

Do you have photos of your vertical lines from you tv?

Yes, this is one I have, and it is the same image that I always get. I have to turn the Tv off and then on, and it is OK after that. It happens randomly. IMAG0054.jpg 892k .jpg file

Ha. I also feel stuck as I must have a 65"+ in order to fit my space. I am leaning towards just pulling the trigger already on the 65ES8000 from Amazon. But what seems to keep me from doing so is the doom and gloom in this thread. Is anyone really happy with their 65" panel? I really think if I had avoided this thread I probably could have just lived with the banding but now if I am to buy the TV I am going to look for the banding every minute I watch. Hope I will eventually be able to get over it since I am not sure I can wait for the F panel anymore and will be a bit too pricey on a TV currently.

Yes, BigNewt and Rico are two regulars who have 65ES8000s that they are happy with. But as mentioned, banding will be present to a certain degree on ANY led set 65 and larger especially on panning sequences.... So it's not just a Samsung issue, rather an issue with manufacturing and the technology in general for these large panels.

Also, don't be too hard on yourself. At some point you would have noticed the banding and found your way in here. Better to know now and have realistic expectations when you do choosr a tv than being stuck with a tv that you are not happy with or mired in a warranty claim.

To be honest I'm happy with my TV, no real complaints. There are issues that people state in here but it comes with every TV, I havent experienced real horrible banding yet but am still looking out for it.

Thanks guys. Perhaps I just needed a bit of reassurance. I posted earlier in this thread regarding extended warranty. Is there a preferred place to purchase? i.e. Samsung or Squaretrade? Any better than others when it comes to responding to service calls?

Thanks!

Just watch a hockey game.

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Thank you.

living with visible banding is like living with screen burn in (ir fades, burn in does not). If you don't pay that much attention to outdoor scenes you probably won't care.

i see 'banding' on hockey on my plasma even

Here's my thinking. You may consider returning it because the F8000 and F8500 series are now out. The difference in price will only be a few hundred dollars when taking into consideration that you will in all likelihood buy an Evo Kit ($300).

I myself am on a precipice. I'm a solid LED guy because I like the pop. However, I love the colors and realism of the plasma. But in the past, plasmas have been much too dark for my liking. The F8500 is said to have more light (pop) than most LED's and has much deeper blacks than the E8000. To me, that's would be the best of both worlds! If all the hype by Samsung and its vendors prove to be true - I'll have a new plasma toy (Mea Culpa!). However, before I fork over the cash for this beast I will need to see some unbiased and professional reviews. I'm certainly not gong to be "Mikey"... I haven't yet bought into Samsung's claim (rhetoric) that their F8500 plasma has as much or more pop than its ES8000 series. Time will only tell but, the problem is that I want the beast on my shelf now!

So I have my 65 MH02 for 10 mins. I did a few checks. I saw the VB but not serious. Then - I found a light pixel on the screen. What's Samsung's light pixel policy? It's at the upper middle. I used Pixel flipper a bit but couldn't get rid of it. Honestly, I won't see this pixel at my viewing distance. But given my HS01 panel is perfect, I would expect the same for 65.

What should I do?

65F8000 - $4300
65ES8000 - $2600 + $300 = $2900

I'd say $1400 is more than just a few hundred.

so you have 2 tvs and one is perfect and the other is not? seems like a no brainer to me unless the 60 is too small.

CMAY - I was talking about the F8500 plasma compared to the 65 ES8000 LED. I don't know where you got your pricing but simply check Amazon for pre-order pricing.

65 ES800 + Evo Kit - $2900 - 3000

65 F8500 - $3400 - 3500

($500 or so difference)
In my opinion, when you're talking about this size of a purchase and the potential bang for your buck, it's only a difference of few (several) hundred bucks. To rid yourself of banding, bleeding and flashlight issues, it's dollars well spent. However, I'm aware that a few hundred bucks may be a lot to some and I certainly appreciate that. I'm only speaking from my perspective and a dollar cost analysis.
Edited by quicknick - 3/21/13 at 9:59am

I was actually going to give vertical banding a try. The uniformility is not as good as HS01 but that might be acceptable. The light pixel now bothers me.

as far as Banding is this what y'all are referring to? If so I really havent seen it, i will try to watch a hockey game and see if i can notice it. But the one time I did watch one i didnt see it, probably wasnt looking hard enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YUOOYUqYIQ

that's not banding. Try looking up the page a bit and you'll see pretty clear pictures of it, or just click on my profile and I have a quick pic of it on my es8000

Guys, if I cannot see dead pixel in the viewing distance, should I need to bother? Would dead pixel "grow" in the future?

as long as your happy. enjoy the ride

great.. now the guy is going to look for it and then find some and be mad.

if you were nice, you should just tell him to do himself a favor don't worry about it. lol

ah ok so here is the one I had posted, which cmay said wasnt that bad maybe thats why i havent seen any issues.