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post #13951 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cgiesler View Post

well put. on top of the banding I have a cluster of pixels out too which is grrrrreat lol
so I'm done with the 65

Returned my 65 inch 3 weeks ago. It had the trifecta. Corner bleeding, clouding and banding.
post #13952 of 16125
Did you go with the 60 inch model a lot of people are recommending?
post #13953 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

I dont know if I can recommend Standard mode at all. The color accuracy below 100% brightness is pretty bad, and its not possible to get any kind of linear gamma response. If it looks good to you that's one thing, but I can't really get comfortable with standard mode compared against how good movie mode looks. It's just a shame that movie mode doesnt have the microdimming :/

I am with 10k on this. I have the same TV as 10k has and I am using his movie settings and have Nitra's standard settings. When going back and forth between the two settings the movie settings just look better to me.
post #13954 of 16125
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Originally Posted by garyrh View Post

I am with 10k on this. I have the same TV as 10k has and I am using his movie settings and have Nitra's standard settings. When going back and forth between the two settings the movie settings just look better to me.

IMO there are some movie settings which look good, 10K's are probably the best I've seen and I have used them for very dark scenes and movies but Standard mode and standard CT seems to have so much more pop to me.

I've had this set for a year now and have done an amateur calibration myself, I've tried hundreds of settings and everything posted online but am still using the same settings for 95% of my viewing as day 1, with just a slight tweak.
post #13955 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Had mine since feb 17th. That's gonna be tough. Watching Bruins vs Leafs now. So far so good. I set it to screen fit? Is that correct? Also what are your motion settings?

Didn't do anything with the motion settings. I'm running the TV close to stock settings. Made a few minor adjustments for back lighting and contrast. That's it. We prefer to use standard mode.
post #13956 of 16125
Cgeisler, I am with Arenaman myself even though I am actually watching Movie mode lately.

After owning this tv for 8 months I am still on the honeymoon.

My Standard and Movie modes are tweaked very closely to each other and are not far from the defaults.

Major difference is Movie gives a slight edge in color accuracy but allows some minor and tolerable intermittent flashlight in corners that Standard doesn't have due to Movie not having ce dimming.

Clouding will happen in Movie but so so so rarely that for me it is a non issue as it will manifest in what I would call transitional scenes.

As said, both are very similar and interchangeable....
Both my modes are great. "pop" is close with backlight at 10-std and 12-movie. Color warm1-std and Standard-movie. Contrast-95 both, sharp-95 both, colorspace-auto both, Amp-standard both, all econ crap off as I don't watch in pitch black rooms since that in itself will cause your own pupils to fight the picture and react introducing another optical issue that I am surprised many peeps don't realize.

I do plan on tinkering with color settings in Standard when I have time but I am very busy and when I sit down in my chair I wanna get busy with my blu or cloud.

Rarely...and I mean rarely I will switch to my tweaked Natural mode for sports where the source is hazy and dull like the occasional hockey, indoor football it like a soccer game I saw yesterday for a few minutes. Yes, when breaking to a commercial people will be orange lol but the game will be sweet. Keyword is ..rarely

Enjoy the 60, I know I have...but I have a bunch that's why many consider me one of the Fanboys.

Remember...on your computer, download firmware 1046.2 and load that to the tv via flash drive. The 1047 that the tv itself will want to update to is NOT listed on the Samsung website and that is something I have a few issues about. PM me if you have any questions.
post #13957 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

...2nd thought...PQ preservation Alert....all owners or possible owners of the un--es8000 should download the 1046.2...bladerunner firmware to their PC now.

This firmware is widely considered the best update and the only one that I updated too after 7 months of observation on this thread. Do not update directly via tv to the 1047. Be safe, download to the PC, then flash your tv.

P.s.: I won't reply to any bashing of my post.

Blade:

I know it's too late for me. My UN60 already has 1047 installed. From your perspecitve, what are the drawbacks with 1047 vs. 1046.2?
post #13958 of 16125
Hey there Tarob, as you know I can only report first hand what various users have emailed and pm'd me from both UK and USA. You may recall how reluctant I was with updating.

Long story short peeps tell me that the quality, inkyness, detail and level of blacks in movie scenes and letterbox bars are now inferior to when on fw 1046.2. also some have said color quality may be slightly off as is motion issues. Some gave reported a reemergence of flash lights.

I will swear in my retirement funds that 1046.2 almost completely eliminates flash light in standard mode from a quite tolerable level I had when on 1013.2. Movie mode flash light is also less now than before where I found it distracting enough to watch in standard only.

I hope this helps.
post #13959 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

Blade:

I know it's too late for me. My UN60 already has 1047 installed. From your perspecitve, what are the drawbacks with 1047 vs. 1046.2?

I have the 65" (minimal banding) and performed the 1047 update. I also did a "Picture Reset" - - and there is minimal difference between the two.

However - - I probably would have just stayed on 1046.2 - - in hindsight, since it was such an incredible firmware update compared to the others. It's starting to look like most of the firmware updates have to do with the "Hub" - as opposed to improving picture quality.
post #13960 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Hey there Tarob, as you know I can only report first hand what various users have emailed and pm'd me from both UK and USA. You may recall how reluctant I was with updating.

Long story short peeps tell me that the quality, inkyness, detail and level of blacks in movie scenes and letterbox bars are now inferior to when on fw 1046.2. also some have said color quality may be slightly off as is motion issues. Some gave reported a reemergence of flash lights.

I will swear in my retirement funds that 1046.2 almost completely eliminates flash light in standard mode from a quite tolerable level I had when on 1013.2. Movie mode flash light is also less now than before where I found it distracting enough to watch in standard only.

I hope this helps.

I can't find any fault with our UN60 using 1047. Can't imagine blacker blacks. No issues with motion and I doubt my vision would allow me to see more detail that what I get now. The image is incredibly crisp and coulours are very accurate. Can't imagine it being even better than it is. I guess all I can say is it might be best that I don't know what I'm missing.

I did however download 1046.2 onto my laptop just in case there might be an opportunity to change the firmware somehow in the future.
post #13961 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

I can't find any fault with our UN60 using 1047. Can't imagine blacker blacks. No issues with motion and I doubt my vision would allow me to see more detail that what I get now. The image is incredibly crisp and coulours are very accurate. Can't imagine it being even better than it is. I guess all I can say is it might be best that I don't know what I'm missing.

I did however download 1046.2 onto my laptop just in case there might be an opportunity to change the firmware somehow in the future.


I have 1047. Is there a way to go back? and would it be better if I did?
post #13962 of 16125
Tarob, i was gonna suggest that you try a flash to 1046.2....ya never know and it can do no harm. I am just glad to see you are happy and have a healthy perspective on it all. I am quite sure I would still be thrilled 100% at 1047.
post #13963 of 16125
Just got this reponse from live chat at samsung website:

Visitor: thx, i downloaded update 1047 for the samsung un55es8000, but this is not on the website, what did update 1047 offer to this tv?

Kristy: Would you mind holding a few minutes while I gather the required information for your request?

Kristy: Thank you for holding.

Kristy: It will enhance the following feature on the TV:

Visitor: yes, thank you

Kristy: Enhances Voice Recognition feature.

Kristy: Improves picture quality.

Kristy: Adds print function in photo applications such as the Photo function of AllShare Play or Picasa.

Kristy: Improves DLNA functionality of the TV.

Kristy: Is there anything else that I can assist you with?
post #13964 of 16125
Has anybody had any experience with this Firmware fix/reversal web site? http://www.samygo.tv/ and its


http://forum.samygo.tv/ ... Firmware roll back could be an interesting tool.biggrin.gif
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 3/24/13 at 9:51am
post #13965 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cgiesler View Post

Did you go with the 60 inch model a lot of people are recommending?

I went with a 65LM6200. Didn't want to go 60". No banding whatsoever and less clouding, but the screen is like a mirror.
post #13966 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cgaglio View Post

Just got this reponse from live chat at samsung website:

Visitor: thx, i downloaded update 1047 for the samsung un55es8000, but this is not on the website, what did update 1047 offer to this tv?

Kristy: Would you mind holding a few minutes while I gather the required information for your request?

Kristy: Thank you for holding.

Kristy: It will enhance the following feature on the TV:

Visitor: yes, thank you

Kristy: Enhances Voice Recognition feature.

Kristy: Improves picture quality.

Kristy: Adds print function in photo applications such as the Photo function of AllShare Play or Picasa.

Kristy: Improves DLNA functionality of the TV.

Kristy: Is there anything else that I can assist you with?

Thanks Cgaglio..sounds familiar right? biggrin.gif

Wow...Kristy and staff, thanks so much for your insightful consultative client support! LOL...i will update right away!!!
post #13967 of 16125
LOL
you cant blame the staff there.
they are just following scripts
It's just funny, every answer you get from the chat, online FAQ, or when you call them is truly useless.
It's actually belittling to work with them...as they go through the script... and make you "go through" the motions...

you get more from a simple google search or from this incredible forum.

too bad i already updated to 1047,,, BEFORE i found this website !!

I'm actually happy with it so far and whatever clouding and light bleed the tv had, actually did go away when i updated from the original firmware that was from the factory.

to my naked eye of course,, i have not had any "professional" calibration.

Happy so far... let's see what this evolution kit offers..other that the updated smarthub menus...
post #13968 of 16125
I just want to wish all the best for all es8000 thread posters - for sure this is one of the best thread because of posters. i am no longer owner of sammy TV.
post #13969 of 16125
I had both 1046.2 and then 1047, haven't noticed any difference whatsoever besides what I read here. My tv seemed unchanged as far as I could tell... Sports, movies, 3d all still amazing since the 1046 update.
post #13970 of 16125
I cannot deny or confirm anything with 1047 behavior. I only report on a few post I have seen as well as pm's and emails sent to me. I am happy to see positive review of 1047.
post #13971 of 16125
Mavin here with another episode of calibrators corner. So I have been trying to smooth out my gamma curve in standard mode, as well as have a better understanding of what dynamic contrast is doing to my picture.

First, here is my latest graph for standard mode. You are looking at a greyscale/gamma chart for standard mode. The box in the upper right is the gamma, with the yellow line representing the target gamma. The box in the top middle is the color balance. Top left represents overall measured error, with less than the green line being acceptable. Goal is to minimize error as much as possible. My target gamma was a power setting of 2.25. This is really not bad given that I only have 2 point controls and the TV is on standard mode.



Now, lets see what happens when I put dynamic contrast on the low setting, leaving everything else as is:



As you can see, dynamic contrast even on low has a dramatic affect on the gamma curve. For those that like a vivid picture, this is not an inherently bad thing, as gamma on the low end is around 2.2, and peaks at 2.35. If you read a lot of gamma settings, most argue that you should set your power gamma somewhere in the 2.2-2.35 range. Therefore, setting your dynamic contrast on low actually maximizes your contrast ratio by giving you that 2.2 low end with a higher 2.35 peak.

Now, this comes with a bit of a price as well. Here are my calibration custom color settings with dynamic contrast off:




This is pretty darn good. Now, with dynamic contrast on low, you start to blow out your colors a bit:



That said, they are still within an acceptable level, and the primary error is that the Y ends up being too high, which is not the end of the world.

Finally, for my friend ArenaMan and you standard color tone lovers. Here is what my settings look like when set to a standard color tone:



Ouch, not pretty. There is a severe dominant blue tone. Take a look at the color checker, where you can see what the color is supposed to look like, and what it actually looks like. There is no shame in liking this look, and you like what you like, just know that it is not at all accurate.

I have not yet updated with my new settings, but I will as I play more.
Edited by Mavinwow - 3/24/13 at 2:13pm
post #13972 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Cgeisler, I have the 60" es and it has zero banding. I highly recommend this tv.

There is a 65" floor model at my local BB with such minimal banding. Its easily the best tv in that place. I am amazed its still there.

Same. My 65" had very visible banding. My 60" replacement has none.. At least.. None you can see in normal viewing at all.

1000
post #13973 of 16125
Thanks for that Mavin, I appreciate you taking time to do that.

What can I say? I've been told many times that the computer disagreed with me but I've never had visual confirmation of it's disgust until now biggrin.gif

Does that mean you can't come up with a set of figures because you can get nowhere near with standard and standard?
post #13974 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Thanks for that Mavin, I appreciate you taking time to do that.

What can I say? I've been told many times that the computer disagreed with me but I've never had visual confirmation of it's disgust until now biggrin.gif

Does that mean you can't come up with a set of figures because you can get nowhere near with standard and standard?

No problem!

There is really no point in trying to do white balance as I currently have my CalMAN setup. I can probably change it somehow to calibrate towards that blue tone of white but Im not really sure how to do that smile.gif

Now that you see really how blue standard mode is, maybe you can try Warm1 at least for awhile and see if your eyes slowly get used to it. It will stop looking yellow after awhile.
post #13975 of 16125
Actually, so if you change the target from D65 (correct color temp) to D93, the graph looks like this:



The white points seem to look reasonably close, but I have no idea what to make of that shifting gamma curve. Ill try to read something about D93.
post #13976 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

No problem!

There is really no point in trying to do white balance as I currently have my CalMAN setup. I can probably change it somehow to calibrate towards that blue tone of white but Im not really sure how to do that smile.gif

Now that you see really how blue standard mode is, maybe you can try Warm1 at least for awhile and see if your eyes slowly get used to it. It will stop looking yellow after awhile.

I should and maybe I will though I prefer cool to warm 1 if I'm truthful. Warm 2 looks overbearingly yellow but I don't see any blue in standard, I mean whites look pure white. Are my peepers dodgy here or what? can other people see blue on Standard? I know I'm not going mad because believe it or not I've had literally hundreds of people on the UK site thank me for my settings which they seem to love.

It seems I'm being told by calibrators I'm so wrong but by ordinary users that I'm so right. To coin a US phrase Go figure confused.gif
post #13977 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Actually, so if you change the target from D65 (correct color temp) to D93, the graph looks like this:



The white points seem to look reasonably close, but I have no idea what to make of that shifting gamma curve. Ill try to read something about D93.

Sounds promising, I wish I knew, I might actually buy some equipment and get into this
post #13978 of 16125
OK Arena, I figured out how to do a calibration that your eyes would like. Here is how it currently would measure:



Could probably get a reasonable white balance with 2 point on this.
post #13979 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Mavin here with another episode of calibrators corner. So I have been trying to smooth out my gamma curve in standard mode, as well as have a better understanding of what dynamic contrast is doing to my picture.

First, here is my latest graph for standard mode. You are looking at a greyscale/gamma chart for standard mode. The box in the upper right is the gamma, with the yellow line representing the target gamma. The box in the top middle is the color balance. Top left represents overall measured error, with less than the green line being acceptable. Goal is to minimize error as much as possible. My target gamma was a power setting of 2.25. This is really not bad given that I only have 2 point controls and the TV is on standard mode.



Now, lets see what happens when I put dynamic contrast on the low setting, leaving everything else as is:



As you can see, dynamic contrast even on low has a dramatic affect on the gamma curve. For those that like a vivid picture, this is not an inherently bad thing, as gamma on the low end is around 2.2, and peaks at 2.35. If you read a lot of gamma settings, most argue that you should set your power gamma somewhere in the 2.2-2.35 range. Therefore, setting your dynamic contrast on low actually maximizes your contrast ratio by giving you that 2.2 low end with a higher 2.35 peak.

Now, this comes with a bit of a price as well. Here are my calibration custom color settings with dynamic contrast off:




This is pretty darn good. Now, with dynamic contrast on low, you start to blow out your colors a bit:



That said, they are still within an acceptable level, and the primary error is that the Y ends up being too high, which is not the end of the world.

Finally, for my friend ArenaMan and you standard color tone lovers. Here is what my settings look like when set to a standard color tone:



Ouch, not pretty. There is a severe dominant blue tone. Take a look at the color checker, where you can see what the color is supposed to look like, and what it actually looks like. There is no shame in liking this look, and you like what you like, just know that it is not at all accurate.

I have not yet updated with my new settings, but I will as I play more.
So what was your recommended gamma setting to achieve this please
post #13980 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

OK Arena, I figured out how to do a calibration that your eyes would like. Here is how it currently would measure:



Could probably get a reasonable white balance with 2 point on this.

Good man smile.gif
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