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post #14161 of 16129
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Originally Posted by skinsfanin1979 View Post

I am still confused why people come on here with their clouding photos and ask if its acceptable? No offense but my question to you would be do YOU think its acceptable? If the answer is Yes, then enjoy your TV. If not, I would try and return it.

I think people get in the trap of seeing what others think as acceptable quality here (Hey I am guilty too). Ultimately you are the one whom watches the TV the most so enjoy it and don't worry about the clouding and banding. Its a fairly large expense so its important you like everything about your purchase.

I had my panel replaced, and it is worse than my first panel for the clouding you saw. I agree, the decision is mine. I haven't owned a LED TV before, only Plasma, so my expectations are skewed.
What my intention in posting the pictures of the clouding was to get the opinions of folks who are more qualified than me. I mean no offense.
post #14162 of 16129
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

Star wars vs samsung: The clouding is strong with this 1 biggrin.gif

Question is does it bother u while watching a movie or gaming?
If you don't notice it in full screen movie/game watching then why worry?

Thanks for your reply...smile.gif
I have noticed that the PQ on this panel suffers when watching basketball, there is a filmy section of the screen. I have been watching mainly basketball, since I got the panel replacement. I have always had a fair share of what I call artifacting on dark scenes on TV shows and the dark upper seats of the basketball arenas.
post #14163 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Have you tried tweaking the settings?
In which mode is this?

I've tried multiple settings, standard and movie, put the backlighting down low (never over 9 brightest never over 45) and still present.

Amazon is going to pick the TV up this week and give a full refund.

Sucks because I got a really good deal on it and really wanted it to work out. Guess I shouldn't ignore those negative amazon reviews anymore. Most of the negative reviews specifically talk about clouding and screen uniformity.

Going to gamble on plasma and get a warranty so image retention will be covered.

My XBR 4 didn't have all this screen uniformity trouble. PQ not near the same but at least it was a uniform panel.
post #14164 of 16129
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

Thanks for your reply...smile.gif
I have noticed that the PQ on this panel suffers when watching basketball, there is a filmy section of the screen. I have been watching mainly basketball, since I got the panel replacement. I have always had a fair share of what I call artifacting on dark scenes on TV shows and the dark upper seats of the basketball arenas.

Have you tried a full reset? (Not picture reset - - from the main menu)

If you could post your settings - that would help.

There should be NO filmy section of the screen, period. I have one of the few (I guess) 65" Sammy panels with minimal banding. I'm using the "Movie" setting with mostly "out of the box" settings.

There should be no artifacts - either - - I watched some NCAA basketball on my set yesterday and didn't see any. One thing - - the picture was dark on the Ohio State game (probably the arena lighting) - - still, my Sammy provided great detail and clarity.

RE: Clouding - - none, only for "transition" scenes and minimal, at that. Zero at startup - - which tells me that it's heat related (mentioned in previous posts)

Sorry you're experiencing these problems.
Edited by Ricoflashback - 3/31/13 at 9:27am
post #14165 of 16129
I am starting to think with conviction that cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that "black enhance" is the on-off switch for cinema black with fw 1046.2.

In Standard mode with black bars so inky black since going to 1046, could it be that cinema black is on full time even though black-enhance is not available?

It has to be a strong possibility since the most profound benefits I saw from 1046.2 was better blacks overall, inkier letterbox bars and almost completely resolved flashlights in movie and Totally gone in standard.

Like I say, I see flashlight in transitional type action like booting, blursy player menu but not on blurays in 2:35:1.
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 3/31/13 at 9:48am
post #14166 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

I've tried multiple settings, standard and movie, put the backlighting down low (never over 9 brightest never over 45) and still present.

Amazon is going to pick the TV up this week and give a full refund.

Sucks because I got a really good deal on it and really wanted it to work out. Guess I shouldn't ignore those negative amazon reviews anymore. Most of the negative reviews specifically talk about clouding and screen uniformity.

Going to gamble on plasma and get a warranty so image retention will be covered.

My XBR 4 didn't have all this screen uniformity trouble. PQ not near the same but at least it was a uniform panel.

This is really sad. I'm curious, will you be getting the F8500?
I heard that warranties do not cover Image retention though. Not sure.

Have been holding myself from getting this the ES8000 due to these problems. The F8000 seems much better based on users experience
post #14167 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I am starting to think with conviction that cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that "black enhance" is the on-off switch for cinema black with fw 1046.2.

In Standard mode with black bars so inky black since going to 1046, could it be that cinema black is on full time even though black-enhance is not available?

It has to be a strong possibility since the most profound benefits I saw from 1046.2 was better blacks overall, inkier letterbox bars and almost completely resolved flashlights in movie and Totally gone in standard.

Like I say, I see flashlight in transitional type action like booting, blursy player menu but not on blurays in 2:35:1.

The annoying thing is that Samsung never detail what they have done in their firmware updates. The consumer has the full right to know what is he downloading and installing to his TV.
post #14168 of 16129
Halimali, i agree 100%. That said i am 100% happy with my tv and have never had a moment of buyers remorse as odd as Samsung is....
post #14169 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

I am starting to think with conviction that cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that "black enhance" is the on-off switch for cinema black with fw 1046.2.

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I have not found this to be the case. Black Enhancer is a slower form of CE dimming. Even my girlfriend noticed when Black Enhancer was on, "why is the screen dimming like that." Was not a fan.
post #14170 of 16129
I could be wrong Mavinwow as i am not expert. All i know is fw 1046.2 is superior.
post #14171 of 16129
Have you guys got cinema black in your latest update ?
Or am I getting confused I'm in he uk btw and we are on different firmware to yours
post #14172 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sillycargt4cs View Post

Have you guys got cinema black in your latest update ?
Or am I getting confused I'm in he uk btw and we are on different firmware to yours

Wait, UK got cinema black on the ES?
post #14173 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Wait, UK got cinema black on the ES?
No but you guys are talking about it
Maybe I am confused sorry
post #14174 of 16129
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Originally Posted by sillycargt4cs View Post

No but you guys are talking about it
Maybe I am confused sorry

Just because we had it on the D series and it is in the new F series, although the UK F series has off, low, medium, high, while the US F series has Off/On.
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Sillycargt, i suspect that as a result of updating to FW 1046.2 in early February cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that possibly it is activated by "black enhance" .

Could cinema black functionality be there and running even if we still have no menu options?


My Standard mode has black bars so inky black since going to 1046, could it be that cinema black is on full time in standard mode even though black-enhance is not available in the menu?

It has to be a strong possibility since the most profound benefits I saw from 1046.2 was better blacks overall, inkier letterbox bars and almost completely resolved flashlights in movie and Totally gone in standard.

Like I said, I see flashlight in transitional type screens and or functions such as booting, blursy player menu but not on blurays in 2:35:1.
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 3/31/13 at 2:23pm
post #14176 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Halimali, i agree 100%. That said i am 100% happy with my tv and have never had a moment of buyers remorse as odd as Samsung is....

Really good to hear that from you Bladerunner. Can u plz tell me after the last FW how is the clouding or flashlights on your TV and how they were before the updates? How is the quality of SD sources like normal DVDs. Do you see the loss of quality? More artifacts or flashlights in them than in HD?
Really appreciate ur input
post #14177 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Have you tried a full reset? (Not picture reset - - from the main menu)

If
There should be NO filmy section of the screen, period. I have one of the few (I guess) 65" Sammy panels with minimal banding. I'm using the "Movie" setting with mostly "out of the box" settings.

There should be no artifacts - either - - I watched some NCAA basketball on my set yesterday and didn't see any. One thing - - the picture was dark on the Ohio State game (probably the arena lighting) - - still, my Sammy provided great detail and clarity.

RE: Clouding - - none, only for "transition" scenes and minimal, at that. Zero at startup - - which tells me that it's heat related (mentioned in previous posts)

you could post your settings - that would help.




Sorry you're experiencing these problems.


Thanks for your reply Ricoflash, I basically have 10k's movie settings with a 15 backlight. I don't seem to like my standard settings after getting used to movie.....
I will say I think the panel is settling in some.
I don't know if you followed what lead me a new panel, I had the vertical lines on start up. Not everytime, randomly. I really want to like this TV, as it is the best looking TV out there if you ask me. I just want it to look good....:-)
post #14178 of 16129
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

Dude, just a question, is the clouding there when you view the panel front on ? You are taking pics fromthe sides here.. Not exactly a good way to assess clouding.. The panel washes out from the sides .. After all its it LCD panel.

1000

These were NOT my pic's & YES to pic was off center so things are exagerated, that why i was a "tad" sarcastic BTW/.
Pic's entered into this forum for review NEED to be DEAD center otherwise u WILL see the viewing limitation.....Also, with that viewing limitation i find it ODD that some times it Really doesn't bother or is all that bad BUT @ other times it is horrible (referring to movies, NOT games, games seem to be more forgiving)
post #14179 of 16129
Halimali,
Before updating, i was in fw 1013.2 and quite happy except that due to flashlight being more severe in movie mode I stayed on standard mode. Clouding occurred so rarely that i can count on my hands over the past 9 months and it has not been an issue.

After the update to fw 1046.2 i noticed better deeper blacks in standard and zero flashlights. And, movie mode has such low evidence of flashlights that i watch full time in movie mode now. Regular dvd jas mo issue and behaves as described above bringing no issues.

like i said i suspect that as a result of updating to FW 1046.2 in early February cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that possibly it is activated by "black enhance" .

Could cinema black functionality be there and running even if we still have no menu options?


I rarely watch any standard def programming.


never had any issues with artifacting...
post #14180 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Yasmin View Post

Hi Everyone, please hope someone has the time to post me a reply as am confused/disappointed with my Es8000 and wonder if its just me (doing something wrong) or is my expensive TV faulty:

Recently acquired ES8000 55".
It’s still running the initial firmware, not done any upgrades.

On a positive, the picture in 2D is truly fantastic. Even SD material looks good on such a large TV.
Negatives are that there are so many picture settings!!! Its mind blowing!
Like anyone, I do love to have control and do like tweaking things.
But I haven't a clue what some of these setting are. There’s no real explanation other than a basic to say what difference it causes. I can hardly see the difference, when these settings are switched on. Is there a more in-depth technical explanation of the settings in an ES8000????

The reason I ask is I want to calibrate it myself, using my own sight, but not knowing what actual impact some of these setting have (or the technical info) is like stumbling around in the darkness.

Another issue I have noticed (especially with a movie called 'Flushed Away' which has various bright and dark scenes), when there is a dark scene (in the sewers scene), the TV starts automatically altering the contrast, brightness, as if its trying to somehow find the right setting for the picture. 99% of the time, it makes the image too worse. Its if the contrast is turned very low, and that the picture is even darker than it would have been if the settings remained fixed. How do I disable this self adjusting? I've looked through the setting and switched almost all obvious things off, so the TV doesn't do its own thing, but it still does. Could it be that I am still using the first firmware and this is a known problem that can be fixed?

My second issue is the 3D content.
Most of my 3D content is MKV files from a friend, mostly H-SBS. I think they are good quality as all claim to be 1080p and the file size can vary from 8GB to 15GB. Some are movies, others documentaries, others animation.

When in the shop, I asked for these to be demo'd several times, and they looked awesome! This was via the USB socket on the TV. Amazing depth and no cross talk. In comparison to the top of the range LG (which did look better in some ways), overall, the ES8000 had an amazing 3D image.

When I got the new TV, the same 3D movies are showing a crazy amount of cross talk, to the point it hurts your head. This isn't anything like what I experienced in the shop. I tinkered with the settings, which altered some elements, but the crosstalk was still excessive. Even the default 'auto' settings, continues to show excessive ghosting making it’s difficult to watch. It was that bad, my daughter refused to look at the TV with the glasses as it was causing her a headache, yet in the store, I couldn't get her away from the TV. Am I doing something wrong?

The only difference as to how I am sourcing the 3D movies to the television (in the store, it was simply a case of putting them on a USB and attaching them to the TV), is that I am using a laptop, connected to the TV via HDMI, using the latest version of XBMC. I reiterated, the 2D movies are great, but the 3D content....urggh! I am going to try and the 3D movies via the USB later today. But in the meantime, is using a PC/laptop a poor means of transferring the source to the TV? Could it be the XBMC software?

Maybe there’s a proper display driver (for Windows 7) to get the ES8000 to connect properly to the laptop? If so, where do I get it from?

I hope you can help. I have a slightly disappointed daughter, who I need to make happy again.

"My second issue is the 3D content.
Most of my 3D content is MKV files from a friend, mostly H-SBS. I think they are good quality as all claim to be 1080p and the file size can vary from 8GB to 15GB. Some are movies, others documentaries, others animation."
These look great but can be distorted SIZE wise, ALSO i would like to mention if u didn't Know that u can't Run F SBS on usb, just won't run, maybe the evo kit will allow this

"The only difference as to how I am sourcing the 3D movies to the television (in the store, it was simply a case of putting them on a USB and attaching them to the TV), is that I am using a laptop, connected to the TV via HDMI, using the latest version of XBMC."

Yes, the USB does use other settings the laptop doesn't BUT u can EASILY fix it by settings the "source" input like DVI, PC, PC DVI,game, av reciever..etc
Not sure why there is such a "HUGE" difference for you, maybe do a firmware upgrade to 1046 & see how that goes
post #14181 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Really good to hear that from you Bladerunner. Can u plz tell me after the last FW how is the clouding or flashlights on your TV and how they were before the updates? How is the quality of SD sources like normal DVDs. Do you see the loss of quality? More artifacts or flashlights in them than in HD?
Really appreciate ur input

I have buyers remorse Always cause i AM crazy, & i see there seems to be more & more like me on this forum complaining bout niggles of stuff that don't matter.
LOOK @ ur TV, Do u like it? does it satisfy? if so, don't worry.
I do the same BS with ALL my hardware, i have NO peace of mind cause i think it should be "PERFECT" , but what is perfect?
I know i got a great deal in my gear & ALL my gear eventually proves to be TOP notch, just that i am paranoid !!
DON'T be ME, BE urself & enjoy !!!

Otherwise join me in HELL !!!
post #14182 of 16129
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Originally Posted by mickjcat View Post

I had my panel replaced, and it is worse than my first panel for the clouding you saw. I agree, the decision is mine. I haven't owned a LED TV before, only Plasma, so my expectations are skewed.
What my intention in posting the pictures of the clouding was to get the opinions of folks who are more qualified than me. I mean no offense.

No apologies are necessary. This is what the forum is for. People post images of their issues so others can offer their opinion if it's a common issue or something to be concerned about.
post #14183 of 16129
Hi Ouga...

I don't know what you mean by changing the 'source' settings. Do you mean rename them? Do you mean that there is a way of configuring the inputs? If so, what settings do I configure so that the laptop input works just a well as the USB.

Did some more experimenting today.

Put the same 3D content on the USB and played it. Looked brilliant, just as good as when in the store. So... it must have something to do with the way the laptop provides the information to the TV, not the content. Even the 2D content looked brilliant via the USB.

I've also noticed a slight judder when sourcing from the laptop. This never happened before on my previous television (Philips), Its certainly not as smooth as the USB as an input. The colour and brightness also appear to be different, to howt the USB source appears. I have checked everything on the laptop to ensure it is all set to neutral, yet the picture still appears to be tainted, as if still being altered by something (not neutral).

All these issues are enough to put me off using the laptop or PC source. I was planning on having a more powerful desktop PC built, with space for several hard drives, a decent graphics card and Windows operating systems so to do some work, via theTV. Am I over reacting, or should I still pursue my my plan in the hope that a more powerful pc with a newer graphics card will provide the same results as the USB source?
post #14184 of 16129
I've decided to keep it. With the price I paid and the minimal clouding my wife put the smack down and said learn to live with the few spots in almost completely black scenes. lol

Plasma's still retain images so that would probably annoy me worse than this since I watch a lot of Cable TV shows (Vikings, Walking Dead, etc...).
post #14185 of 16129
It's funny to see the 65ES8000 back to top 10 LED TV sales at Amazon again. Tonight is the first time I tried 3D on my set. I am very happy. I had the 60" before but never tried 3D. So no frame of reference. I'm learning to live with the VB. I'm curious on how many 65" Amazon sold ...

At the same time, there are quite a few used sold by Amazon Warehouse. Wondering if these are all returns and exchanges for VB.
post #14186 of 16129
Tron 2d bluray in movie mode shows no flashlights in the 2:35:1 or 16:9 parts. Black enhancer on or off has no effect.

I think fw 1046.2 added cinema black as a full time feature in standard and movie mode.

I only really see flashlights at player menu, rare transitional scenes or fios 16x9 in movie mode and never in standard....i am done thinking about it and just enjoying.
post #14187 of 16129
to Yasmin: Yea it's the source that needs to be changed, what u using? DVD? DVI devices? Game ? Try & use PC or DVI PC.
there is a definite difference when u switch "sources", i would like to know what USB uses, any 1 know how USB displays ?
Personally i don't see a difference between using the USB & my PC in (PC/ dvi PC mode), maybe you're going Insane? lol, JUST KIDDING, maybe you can show some pic's of how usb vs pc looks like.
I don't like using USB unless i am going to bed watching a movie, USB has less options.

yo blade I think fw 1046.2 added cinema black too, i rarely see flashlighting but once in a rare while i will see it in a 3d movie with backlight @20.
I too am done with worrying bout niggles on this TV, tired of being concerned bout dipshit.TV is more then acceptable to me for what i paid.
NO1 will EVER have a PERFECT TV, there's Always something to complain about be it plasma or LCD.
I BET you ppl will complain about OLED too, you'll see. biggrin.gif
post #14188 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Halimali,
Before updating, i was in fw 1013.2 and quite happy except that due to flashlight being more severe in movie mode I stayed on standard mode. Clouding occurred so rarely that i can count on my hands over the past 9 months and it has not been an issue.

After the update to fw 1046.2 i noticed better deeper blacks in standard and zero flashlights. And, movie mode has such low evidence of flashlights that i watch full time in movie mode now. Regular dvd jas mo issue and behaves as described above bringing no issues.

like i said i suspect that as a result of updating to FW 1046.2 in early February cinema black is either ON fulltime in movie mode or that possibly it is activated by "black enhance" .

Could cinema black functionality be there and running even if we still have no menu options?


I rarely watch any standard def programming.


never had any issues with artifacting...

Thank you very much Bladerunner. You have been really a great help here.
post #14189 of 16129
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

I have buyers remorse Always cause i AM crazy, & i see there seems to be more & more like me on this forum complaining bout niggles of stuff that don't matter.
LOOK @ ur TV, Do u like it? does it satisfy? if so, don't worry.
I do the same BS with ALL my hardware, i have NO peace of mind cause i think it should be "PERFECT" , but what is perfect?
I know i got a great deal in my gear & ALL my gear eventually proves to be TOP notch, just that i am paranoid !!
DON'T be ME, BE urself & enjoy !!!

Otherwise join me in HELL !!!

He he he. Thank you for the comment. You are right here but the thing is that I still did not join your club... Yet

Still have the option to buy one of these ES8000, F8000 or F8500. These are the TVs I have in mind. I have seen the ES8000 in shops and liked the PQ very much. The only concern was some of the flaws mentioned here. The Fs are still not available in my country and once they are the ES8000 price will go further down. So I guess these are the choices I have to make to have a piece of mind:

- ES8000: Costs less but have to deal with some Clouding and flashlights, hopefully less with FW updates
- F8000: Costs more but according to users it has none or at least less clouding or flashlights
- F8500: No clouding or flashlights but have to deal with other issues like IR, or perhaps minimal Brightness fluctuations

I know that I will have few issues with any purchase I will have as nothing is perfect but reading and researching lots of user experiences helped me to know what will suit me best and once I have did the purchase there will be no buyer remorse because it will do nothing to change it and I have to love my TV and live with its Pros and Cons.

This site has been extremely helpful with some great users who have been answering my boring questions. I really appreciate all your help guys.
post #14190 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Tron 2d bluray in movie mode shows no flashlights in the 2:35:1 or 16:9 parts. Black enhancer on or off has no effect.

I think fw 1046.2 added cinema black as a full time feature in standard and movie mode.

I only really see flashlights at player menu, rare transitional scenes or fios 16x9 in movie mode and never in standard....i am done thinking about it and just enjoying.

That is great Blade, You can try more bluray movies that has dark scenes. Try these if you have them, they might be good to show if you get any clouding of flashlighting as there are lots of dark scenes envolved:

- Buried
- The Descent
- Quarantine
- Se7en
- Alien
- 30 Days of Night

These might give you more opportunity to see if the clouding and flashlighting are as severe as before the update.
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