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post #14251 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Anyone feel like warm2 setting turn whites into greys?

You are conditioned to liking "blue" whites. See colors here when set to standard color tone, You can see what the color is supposed to look like and what it actually looks like.

post #14252 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

You are conditioned to liking "blue" whites. See colors here when set to standard color tone, You can see what the color is supposed to look like and what it actually looks like.


its funny how once you see past your own conditioning you can go into BB and start looking around the tv's and you start to notice all the 'blue' whites vs 'dull' whites smile.gif
post #14253 of 16126
Here is my LCD with image retention. After keeping the TV on the menu of Dallas series for about an hour
You can see the letter S at the right side. Also the pinkish tent is very evident.

LL

On the second one you can see a faint DALLAS word.

LL

Doesn't bother me a lot as it goes in few hours when the TV is on
post #14254 of 16126
oh wow, I had no idea an LCD could get IR like that. Thanks for sharing that.
post #14255 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

oh wow, I had no idea an LCD could get IR like that. Thanks for sharing that.

Your welcome. I guess my LCD has become a plasma already biggrin.gif where IR is concerned.
post #14256 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Your welcome. I guess my LCD has become a plasma already biggrin.gif where IR is concerned.

I am curious as to what your Picture Mode, Backlight and brightness setting are.
post #14257 of 16126
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Originally Posted by KalibR View Post

I just started getting this same error message last night. The TV has been working fine up until then. When I checked the internet connection in the network status, it seems fine - it says it's connected to the internet. However, I can not connect to any apps (Netflix, YouTube, etc) and get this error message displayed on the screen every few minutes. Anyone know what this is or how to resolve?

UPDATE: I just found out that Samsung servers were down for scheduled maintenance on Monday, April 1 from 10:00 p.m. – 3:00 a.m. (EST). It would have been nice if instead of a dreaded error message, Samsung would have pushed a notification that its servers were down. I wouldn't have spent an hour troubleshooting and resetting everything. Or, maybe this was a cruel April Fools joke by Samsung.

I have an ES7100 and when I first went in to the SmartHub last Friday a message popped up saying that maintenance was scheduled for April 1st.
post #14258 of 16126
If you guys want a good way to see what the dynamic contrast features on this TV do, check out this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466036/calibrators-lets-talk-shadow-detail

From flipping around those images and applying the various dynamic contrast features to the "normal" images on that post, you can clearly see that the dynamic features, most especially black tone, destroy detail, relative to the overexposed pictures which clearly show all the detail contained in the "normal" set.

Incidentally, those pictures also really expose how poor the native contrast ratio of the es8000 actually is.

Instead of dynamic contrast etc, maybe try upping "color" a few notches to get more vibrant punch out of your picture, if that is your thing...
post #14259 of 16126
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Originally Posted by mo949 View Post

its funny how once you see past your own conditioning you can go into BB and start looking around the tv's and you start to notice all the 'blue' whites vs 'dull' whites smile.gif

Because the blue whites stand out at the store. Some folks get so used to the look that correct white balance looks yellow to them. You like what you like though, regardless of how "accurate" it is.
post #14260 of 16126
The other night, my 87 year old mother-in-law was over for a visit. The TV (UN60ES8000) was on. She walked into the room, stood and watched the TV for a while. After a minute or so, she said "Is that a new TV?" I replied that it was. Her response was "Wow. Is that ever clear. It looks real!"

I've had a lot of good TVs in my day. In the last ten years, three have been high quality 56" or larger HD TVs with HD Bell ExpressVu providing programming. She's seen all of them. This is the first time that she has ever commented on our TV. That might not sound like much of an endorsement. However, to get that old girl's attention, is an accomplishment.

I've done very little with it. Close to out of the box settings with only a coulple minor adjustments. Running 1047 fw and not seeing any issues. This is the best TV I've seen. Particularly for the price.

I've had if for close to a month now and I'm very happy with it.
post #14261 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

The other night, my 87 year old mother-in-law was over for a visit. The TV (UN60ES8000) was on. She walked into the room, stood and watched the TV for a while. After a minute or so, she said "Is that a new TV?" I replied that it was. Her response was "Wow. Is that ever clear. It looks real!"

I've had a lot of good TVs in my day. In the last ten years, three have been high quality 56" or larger HD TVs with HD Bell ExpressVu providing programming. She's seen all of them. This is the first time that she has ever commented on our TV. That might not sound like much of an endorsement. However, to get that old girl's attention, is an accomplishment.

I've done very little with it. Close to out of the box settings with only a coulple minor adjustments. Running 1047 fw and not seeing any issues. This is the best TV I've seen. Particularly for the price.

I've had if for close to a month now and I'm very happy with it.

Congrats! Hey - - if your 87 year old mother-in-law notices the difference - - then that is a good sign.

Our old friend Anthony told a story about his Grandmother remarking on how different and how much better their TV looked like after a significant firmware update. I trust their eyes as much as anybody - - at least to see a difference in the PQ!

Lots of great information and posters on this thread - - from settings to features to overcoming various issues with Samsung.

Virtually everyone raves about the 60" Sammy set. And, since this set has been around a while - - you get the benefit of the "tweaking" that has gone on with the PQ since last summer. Out of the box settings are pretty good - - but can be improved even more.

Above all....Enjoy!!! (Sounds like your mother-in-law will be over more if she likes the TV! smile.gif)
post #14262 of 16126
My TV also doesn't get the V until it has been on for a while along with being attached to the stand.
post #14263 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

If you guys want a good way to see what the dynamic contrast features on this TV do, check out this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466036/calibrators-lets-talk-shadow-detail

From flipping around those images and applying the various dynamic contrast features to the "normal" images on that post, you can clearly see that the dynamic features, most especially black tone, destroy detail, relative to the overexposed pictures which clearly show all the detail contained in the "normal" set.

Incidentally, those pictures also really expose how poor the native contrast ratio of the es8000 actually is.

Instead of dynamic contrast etc, maybe try upping "color" a few notches to get more vibrant punch out of your picture, if that is your thing...
I couldn't stay still and read all that stuff, but one thing I read was how people set their TVs using static patterns. I get that for color accuracy because red is red and blue is blue, no matter if its still or moving. But contrast is a moving target. Think about it: a plane is flying through a semi dark sky with some light in the background. The TV is changing brightness, shades of grey/black/white, constantly. To me a dynamic feature makes sense in a TV. Maybe not calibration sense, but moving picture sense. Wish I had a grandmother to adjust mine.
post #14264 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Congrats! Hey - - if your 87 year old mother-in-law notices the difference - - then that is a good sign.

Our old friend Anthony told a story about his Grandmother remarking on how different and how much better their TV looked like after a significant firmware update. I trust their eyes as much as anybody - - at least to see a difference in the PQ!

Lots of great information and posters on this thread - - from settings to features to overcoming various issues with Samsung.

Virtually everyone raves about the 60" Sammy set. And, since this set has been around a while - - you get the benefit of the "tweaking" that has gone on with the PQ since last summer. Out of the box settings are pretty good - - but can be improved even more.

Above all....Enjoy!!! (Sounds like your mother-in-law will be over more if she likes the TV! smile.gif)

She even put on a pair of glasses and tried out the 3D for the first time. She was flinching and dodging, oohing and awwing with a big grin on her face.

Even if older folks have relatively poor vision, being able to see enough of a difference in PQ to make a comment does say something about the TV. Can't be that bad of a set.
post #14265 of 16126
So, am I dumb or is there not a way to uninstall apps from the SmartHub? I'm particularly interested in removing Netflix, as its a bit annoying when my children are playing with iPhones and iPads and watching Netflix on them, and it asks them to use AirPlay on the TV, and they just click the button and send the signal to my TV when I'm watching something.

They are too young to know to pick the iPad option when it pops up, and I don't think I can disable Airplay on the devices, so my next option is to remove Netflix from the TV apps, as we use Netflix from Apple TV anyway, but for some reason I can't figure out how to do this?

Surely its not there for good?
post #14266 of 16126
RicoMang and Tarob, you know "fanboy" lol over here is raving lunatic crazy happy with his 60" es8000 after 9 months....actually much happier now than at anytime. Killer electronics. When on ...amazing PQ. When off, still one of the sexiest pieces of gear on the planet. Stoked!

I want es8000 pasties!!!! Ha ha ha

Boo yah gramma's!!!
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 4/2/13 at 5:14pm
post #14267 of 16126
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

So, am I dumb or is there not a way to uninstall apps from the SmartHub? I'm particularly interested in removing Netflix, as its a bit annoying when my children are playing with iPhones and iPads and watching Netflix on them, and it asks them to use AirPlay on the TV, and they just click the button and send the signal to my TV when I'm watching something.

They are too young to know to pick the iPad option when it pops up, and I don't think I can disable Airplay on the devices, so my next option is to remove Netflix from the TV apps, as we use Netflix from Apple TV anyway, but for some reason I can't figure out how to do this?

Surely its not there for good?
You can't remove the pre-loaded apps but if you want to delete an app you downloaded you can highlight it and press "tools" on the remote and then scroll down to "delete" on the menu that pops up on the right.
post #14268 of 16126
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I couldn't stay still and read all that stuff, but one thing I read was how people set their TVs using static patterns. I get that for color accuracy because red is red and blue is blue, no matter if its still or moving. But contrast is a moving target. Think about it: a plane is flying through a semi dark sky with some light in the background. The TV is changing brightness, shades of grey/black/white, constantly. To me a dynamic feature makes sense in a TV. Maybe not calibration sense, but moving picture sense. Wish I had a grandmother to adjust mine.
The three pictures in the post are on average bright, medium, and dark. If you put all 3 on a usb stick and switch between them on your TV you can A/B comparison a wide range of situations.

As far as I can tell, black tone just takes say black to 15% gray and makes it all black, and then darkens up the range a little bit, a lot like applying a gradient mask in photoshop.

Dynamic contrast seems to do this also, but it uses the "extra" contrast which has now been freed up to make the brightest bits of the picture even brighter, sort of sliding the range of available contrast upwards. What is surprising to me is that it doesnt look like the dynamic contrast setting goes the other way (ie revealing more shadow detail in dark scenes). So in effect dynamic contrast is like black tone in that it destroys shadow detail, but it also blows out bright bits of the picture on the high end.

Having looked at all 3 of the pictures from that post and toggling all of the various black settings on the TV I can confidently conclude that in all cases these settings are detrimental to shadow detail, and are only potentially beneficial to other parts of the picture.

Anyone can check for themselves, those pictures provide a great range of total scene brightness and lots of screen area to look for lost shadow detail.

:edit: I"m almost positive "black enhancer" is CE dimming for Movie mode. This makes sense since it is unavailable in Standard mode. I guess it can be useful for hiding flashlighting if you don't notice/aren't annoyed by the ce dimming.
Edited by 10k - 4/2/13 at 6:41pm
post #14269 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Fast GTO View Post

Those of you experiencing the v shaped clouding near the samsun logo, are you using the tv stand? I wonder if that cloud pattern is due to stress from the weight of the panel rest on the stand that also happens to screw in right around where the clouding is occurring.

Interesting if those who wall mount also have this cloud pattern.

I have never seen the V pattern but i ALSO disabled that damn light since it bothered me when watching TV day 1.
I do have the light on when it's in standby but still no V when turning TV on .
I am using the stand
post #14270 of 16126
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Originally Posted by fiddler11 View Post

I have a gtx 680 in a i7-3770k@4.5ghz with 32gbs of 2400mhz dominator. And using nvidias 3dplay software I can only 3d game in 1920x1080@24hz or 1280x720@60hz. Its nothing to do with your computer its a limitation of the software and the technology. However BF3 in 3d is ****ing awesome.
Yea, for the Most part when using nvidia's 3dplay u would only get 1920/1080@24hz, but there was a trick to get it to do 1920/1080@28or30hz BUT u needed the dongle that came with the 3Dvision setup.
I haven't looked @ this stuff since early 2011 & gave up since i was very dissappointed with 1920/1080@24, that is unacceptable to me.
i am running old gear so it's not as great as urs, going to get a new pc this yr.
currently running 2 gtx 285's,8gb ram & q9550.it's like 4yrs old frown.gif
post #14271 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Here is my LCD with image retention. After keeping the TV on the menu of Dallas series for about an hour
You can see the letter S at the right side. Also the pinkish tent is very evident.

LL

On the second one you can see a faint DALLAS word.

LL

Doesn't bother me a lot as it goes in few hours when the TV is on
I am surprised, i have never seen that on a PC lcd monitor, maybe cause it's a LCD TV? beats me but it made me panic for a sec & check my TV to see if i have any IR...lol.....i don't have any IR.
post #14272 of 16126
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Originally Posted by scJohn View Post

I am curious as to what your Picture Mode, Backlight and brightness setting are.

It is on Cinema Mode
Backlight is 2 out of 10
Brightness is 20 out of 100
post #14273 of 16126
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Originally Posted by OugaBooga View Post

I am surprised, i have never seen that on a PC lcd monitor, maybe cause it's a LCD TV? beats me but it made me panic for a sec & check my TV to see if i have any IR...lol.....i don't have any IR.

I know it surprised me as well when I have seen it for the first time, but in a way it made me less worried about IR if I'm getting a plasma TV. Plasma's IR might be harsher to go away but in a way it seems I have to baby this old LCD so it will not have any IR and The IR looks much terrible in real than the pictures. However I hardly even see it when I'm playing anything and even on slides it does not show up except on gray color.
post #14274 of 16126
Plasma....oh the saga. For me, i wont. Not an option. It was when i started shopping last May. I was actually predisposed to the thought at the beginning that i would buy a top panny but then the real comparisons took place.

1-imho i have note seen any plasma show me the "like being there" clean clarity that the top lcd's have...imho. To me, with plasma i always know i'm watching a really good tv but i was not being totally immersed and engaged in a movie like a well dialed in led-lcd.

2-i never want to even think for a second that i could get IR if my family is watching while i am at work.
post #14275 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Plasma....oh the saga. For me, i wont. Not an option. It was when i started shopping last May. I was actually predisposed to the thought at the beginning that i would buy a top panny but then the real comparisons took place.

1-imho i have note seen any plasma show me the "like being there" clean clarity that the top lcd's have...imho. To me, with plasma i always know i'm watching a really good tv but i was not being totally immersed and engaged in a movie like a well dialed in led-lcd.

2-i never want to even think for a second that i could get IR if my family is watching while i am at work.

Check out the new samsung 8500... It looks like an led with sharpness, but does not have the massive shortcomings of led
post #14276 of 16126
Sharpness in not the issue with plasma, brightness and dithering is.

1000
post #14277 of 16126
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Check out the new samsung 8500... It looks like an led with sharpness, but does not have the massive shortcomings of led
...Winston, I'll be looking at it closely out of curiosity only as I am not buying another large tv for about 4 years.

It sounds great on paper and all the marketing hype and if I was shopping I would definately have on the test drive list but...when the smoke clears, and the ownership experience rolls out along with all the feedback, I am afraid that a bright plasma like this will indeed become an IR beast!

Speaking for myself I'm very happy and have no issue with limitations inherent to lcd/led as I went in that direction with my eyes wide open, had realistic expectations, and with all the "massive shortcomings" of lcd/led I easily saw that the best plasmas available in May/June 2012 did not have the "being there" realism and clean clarity that the best lcd's showed me. ...There aint NO substitute for the "being there" quality, that "looking out the window" quality that HD is supposed to bring. It's ther...or its not...as great as the best plasma's I saw were, none had it.

Maybe the f8500 will have that "being there " quality, that remains to be seen.

As much as many say IR is not an issue, I dont buy that for a second. I predict the " shortcoming"of plasma will be chatted about greatly on the future f8500 thread and we will see 400 pages plus of 11000 plus posts many devoted to....
"ugh, i have a cnn logo in the bottom right of my screen, should I return the tv to Amazon since they have such a warm n fuzzy return policy or pixel flip my butt off for a few days?" smile.gif

"ugh, the WFN logo is on my screen, thank god amazon will take back this 8th tv"

"ugh, I have the HBO logo on my screen, I hate Samsung"

"ugh, my kid played games while I was at work chasing the secretary and now my tv is ruined"


I seriously can see that thread through the crystal ball. Wait and see my man...

With this long winter, and those late night viewings I wouldnt mind the heat-source quality of plasma in my family room as my prorammed climate control turns the house temp down while I'm still in my own tv time.
post #14278 of 16126
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Check out the new samsung 8500... It looks like an led with sharpness, but does not have the massive shortcomings of led

"Massive shortcomings of led"

I'm not an expert by any means but "massive shortcomings"? That sounds a bit over the top.

I think it would be safe to say that , "massive shortcomings" should be qualified by being sufficiently obvious to be seen with the naked eye and to such an extent to impair or ruin the TV viewing experience. Even the most mediocre of led lcd TVs don't do that.

I really have to wonder what some participants use their TVs for? I think that maybe the pseudo scientists of the group would be better off dissecting lab rats. They might derive a greater level of satisfaction from their discoveries. Be them real or imagined........
post #14279 of 16126
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

sorry, bro. I didn't see in your original post where you were talking about 3D. I recall reading somewhere that the set does 3:2 pulldown on 24p content so that it will display 3D in 1080p60 (to match the frequency of the active shutter of the glasses). I'll have to look into what's going on for the only 3D game I have on PS3, Gran Turismo.

Just tried GT5 & NO go with 1080p60, in 3D it defaults to 720p60 & it looks aweful, i can't play it cause the cars in front look like they're from GT2.I don't believe ANY ps3 game does 3D in 1080p60.i used to have a 50" c8000 plasma & playing any games in 720 was @ my tolerance limit, with a bigger screen 720 ia horrible, i can't imagine how horrible 720 gaming is on 60,65,70" screens, i'd smash the screen from fustration.
At least with PC games you can make some adjustments with graphics card to smoothen things out but consoles, Nope.
Using tridef with PC is my only option till xbox 720/ps4 unless 3D was dropped with those.
post #14280 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

"Massive shortcomings of led"

I'm not an expert by any means but "massive shortcomings"? That sounds a bit over the top.

I think it would be safe to say that , "massive shortcomings" should be qualified by being sufficiently obvious to be seen with the naked eye and to such an extent to impair or ruin the TV viewing experience. Even the most mediocre of led lcd TVs don't do that.

I really have to wonder what some participants use their TVs for? I think that maybe the pseudo scientists of the group would be better off dissecting lab rats. They might derive a greater level of satisfaction from their discoveries. Be them real or imagined........


Easy. Take three steps from the center of the viewing angle.
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