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post #14371 of 16126
You are right 1000. The only crazy severe examples of banding i ever saw were pix posted to this thread.
post #14372 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Even fanboy here is a defender of the es65". Although i have a 60", in a heartbeat i would take a 65" with mild banding over all the other tv's out there. The floor model 65 at my nearest BB is amazing.

I have only seen 4 65" models at stores and none had banding severe enough to scare me away.

I don't think you can see banding over BB's floor model b/c of the display materials. I went two times before I bought my 65. My suggestion is that if you're interested in 65, Amazon is your best bet. The return is so easy. For BB and Costco, I have to pack up the TV. For Amazon, they will pick up your set. It's just you have to allocate a 3-4 hour window.

I exchanged a few 65s with Amazon. One of them has bad pixels and the a portion of the back of the TV is covered with dust. I'm guessing some of these dust came into the panel in production. All 65 I have from Amazon have the same degree of banding. Based on the PO information on the box, these are the same batch. I'm guessing that's the final batch of 65 Amazon has. You can try one and see if you can live with it. If you cannot, I'd suggest just return it b/c the rest of the stock should be similar. If you can live with it, congratulations!
post #14373 of 16126
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

The problem is although both you, Rico and BigNewt managed to get 65s with minimal banding, by and large the majority of forum members who visited this thread were not as fortunate. So, you can agree or disagree all you want, the bottom line is that more owners/former owners of the 65 had unacceptable banding than keepers with minimal banding, which in my book makes the 65 THE bad TV in the ES8000 lineup.

cmay- I put a little more weight in your opinions because of the multiple TVs and exchanges you went through when trying to find a TV that you could live with, but I still don't agree that the 65"ES8000 is any more flawed than any other TV or model. Based on your experience, and rightfully so, you believe it is flawed because that's all you really saw when trying to find one that you could live with. I get that. On the other hand, I bought mine and did not have to go through any panel lottery or multiple exchanges to get a good one. I also look at the 65"ES8000 any time I see one on display and I have never seen one that had bad banding. Besides my TV I've probably looked at 15 others. The only reason I was looking at them was to see if I could see any banding on them and really couldn't. I am not going to go back through this thread and count how many people got one and had banding problems, but let's say there's 50. 50 people in this thread having that problem isn't exactly a scientific analysis of the TVs flaws. 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been sold...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no real proof that the TV is flawed any more than any other TV. Mine isn't and that's all that really matters to me.
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

I don't think you can see banding over BB's floor model b/c of the display materials.

I guess that's a possibility, but I know I saw some material in BB that should have shown banding if it was really noticeable. It could also be that the contrast and brightness is maxed out on the store models and I've personally seen that the banding is reduced with higher contrast and brightness.
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

cmay- I put a little more weight in your opinions because of the multiple TVs and exchanges you went through when trying to find a TV that you could live with, but I still don't agree that the 65"ES8000 is any more flawed than any other TV or model. Based on your experience, and rightfully so, you believe it is flawed because that's all you really saw when trying to find one that you could live with. I get that. On the other hand, I bought mine and did not have to go through any panel lottery or multiple exchanges to get a good one. I also look at the 65"ES8000 any time I see one on display and I have never seen one that had bad banding. Besides my TV I've probably looked at 15 others. The only reason I was looking at them was to see if I could see any banding on them and really couldn't. I am not going to go back through this thread and count how many people got one and had banding problems, but let's say there's 50. 50 people in this thread having that problem isn't exactly a scientific analysis of the TVs flaws. 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been sold...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no real proof that the TV is flawed any more than any other TV. Mine isn't and that's all that really matters to me.

Jestered, fair enough and good points in regards to sample size of the forum. I was just looking at it from the perspective of..,

The number of people who exchanged for banding.... Majority exchanged out several times with no luck. Granted, people like that (me included) are more OCD than not, so probably more susceptible to noticing and could exchange a dozen times with no success.

For my man Blade....

I know you say you can live with banding, but until you have to see it rear its ugly head over and over, you have no idea how distracting it really is. Going from a dialed in 60 to a banding 65, we'd have to have EMTs on standby in case of a heart attack.
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I guess that's a possibility, but I know I saw some material in BB that should have shown banding if it was really noticeable. It could also be that the contrast and brightness is maxed out on the store models and I've personally seen that the banding is reduced with higher contrast and brightness.

Another forum member Ken Ross was considering a 65HX950. I warned him of the minimal vertical banding found on all 65 HX950s. He went to BB several times and commented to me that he could not see banding. He finally looked at one that wasn't in retail/vivid/torch mode and Bam!!!! He noticed right away.

Point being, banding is sometimes hard to see due to lighting conditions, reflections, brightness of the screen, especially at BB.

I've got two pictures of my 65HX950, one in movie mode with warm 2 and one in standard mode with neutral. The pic in standard w/neutral shows essentially no noticeable banding unless you know where to look, where as the pic in movie mode with warm 2 you can clearly see the slight vertical band. Also, when local dimming is turned off, the banding is clearly noticeable, where as when local dimming is on, it is not noticeable with the exception of occasional panning.

Which BTW..., local dimming vs edge lit is why I think the banding is more noticeable on the 65es8000 than the 65HX950 despite both using s-PVA 65 inch panels from the same factory.
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cmay- How much control of the settings do you have on the Sony? I've read that Samsung has the most user controlled settings for calibrating with a meter and that Sony was lacking in that area. Do you have a CMS and/or 10pt white balance control on your Sony?
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Cmay my brutha,you are probably right...i'd have a brain aneurism!!! 911
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

cmay- How much control of the settings do you have on the Sony? I've read that Samsung has the most user controlled settings for calibrating with a meter and that Sony was lacking in that area. Do you have a CMS and/or 10pt white balance control on your Sony?

Jestered, there is a white balance setting (not 10 pt) with the RGB gain and bias, but not nearly as many user controlled settings compared to the ES8000. Definitely not a tv for people who like to tweak to maximize image quality.
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

I don't think you can see banding over BB's floor model b/c of the display materials. I went two times before I bought my 65. My suggestion is that if you're interested in 65, Amazon is your best bet. The return is so easy. For BB and Costco, I have to pack up the TV. For Amazon, they will pick up your set. It's just you have to allocate a 3-4 hour window.

I exchanged a few 65s with Amazon. One of them has bad pixels and the a portion of the back of the TV is covered with dust. I'm guessing some of these dust came into the panel in production. All 65 I have from Amazon have the same degree of banding. Based on the PO information on the box, these are the same batch. I'm guessing that's the final batch of 65 Amazon has. You can try one and see if you can live with it. If you cannot, I'd suggest just return it b/c the rest of the stock should be similar. If you can live with it, congratulations!

What im concerned on this is that the 55" on Amazon is now sold by Beach Camera, not Amazon...so who knows how easy it would be to go through the whole return process with them....or does Amazon still have policies they must all adhere too?
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Originally Posted by arsenic0 View Post

What im concerned on this is that the 55" on Amazon is now sold by Beach Camera, not Amazon...so who knows how easy it would be to go through the whole return process with them....or does Amazon still have policies they must all adhere too?

Is it fulfilled by Amazon or shipped from Beach Camera?
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

cmay- I put a little more weight in your opinions because of the multiple TVs and exchanges you went through when trying to find a TV that you could live with, but I still don't agree that the 65"ES8000 is any more flawed than any other TV or model. Based on your experience, and rightfully so, you believe it is flawed because that's all you really saw when trying to find one that you could live with. I get that. On the other hand, I bought mine and did not have to go through any panel lottery or multiple exchanges to get a good one. I also look at the 65"ES8000 any time I see one on display and I have never seen one that had bad banding. Besides my TV I've probably looked at 15 others. The only reason I was looking at them was to see if I could see any banding on them and really couldn't. I am not going to go back through this thread and count how many people got one and had banding problems, but let's say there's 50. 50 people in this thread having that problem isn't exactly a scientific analysis of the TVs flaws. 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been sold...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no real proof that the TV is flawed any more than any other TV. Mine isn't and that's all that really matters to me.

What's flawed here is the statistical numbers you just pulled out of your rectum. You think each and every person unsatisfied with their 65" unit and returned it all have reported into AVS. Perhaps you would like to insist that your meticulous investigation of a single non-flawed unit should constitute scientific conclusive proof that there is nothing wrong with all 65" models.

Your words are insulting to those who have had to waste huge amounts of time and resources trying to replace a defective TV multiple times after spending 3 to 4 thousand dollars. My first 2 units had the trifecta of defects. Severe banding, clouding and bleed.






How about accusations that I photo shopped these images to compliment your previous snide remarks.
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Originally Posted by esoxlee View Post

What's flawed here is the statistical numbers you just pulled out of your rectum. You think each and every person unsatisfied with their 65" unit and returned it all have reported into AVS. Perhaps you would like to insist that your meticulous investigation of a single non-flawed unit should constitute scientific conclusive proof that there is nothing wrong with all 65" models.

Your words are insulting to those who have had to waste huge amounts of time and resources trying to replace a defective TV multiple times after spending 3 to 4 thousand dollars. My first 2 units had the trifecta of defects. Severe banding, clouding and bleed.






How about accusations that I photo shopped these images to compliment your previous snide remarks.

Any of the regulars in this thread know that I'm not "snide" or condescending, but thanks for your comments on my character. Good day sir.
Edited by Jestered - 4/6/13 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

cmay- I put a little more weight in your opinions because of the multiple TVs and exchanges you went through when trying to find a TV that you could live with, but I still don't agree that the 65"ES8000 is any more flawed than any other TV or model. Based on your experience, and rightfully so, you believe it is flawed because that's all you really saw when trying to find one that you could live with. I get that. On the other hand, I bought mine and did not have to go through any panel lottery or multiple exchanges to get a good one. I also look at the 65"ES8000 any time I see one on display and I have never seen one that had bad banding. Besides my TV I've probably looked at 15 others. The only reason I was looking at them was to see if I could see any banding on them and really couldn't. I am not going to go back through this thread and count how many people got one and had banding problems, but let's say there's 50. 50 people in this thread having that problem isn't exactly a scientific analysis of the TVs flaws. 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been sold...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no real proof that the TV is flawed any more than any other TV. Mine isn't and that's all that really matters to me.

I couldnt disagree with you more. I had 2 different 65' units with banding worse on the second then the first(look at my pics) for a tv that price it should be perfect. I swapped out for a 60 and love it...so yea there's lots of proof if u read all the posts in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Any of the regulars in this thread know that I'm not "snide" or condescending, but thanks for your comments on my character. Good day sir.

+1

Jestered is a good guy and helps a lot of people out in this thread. Also one lucky SOB for managing to win the 65 lottery smile.gif
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Last night I was watching the NCAA Tourney on my ES8000 and I noticed a excessive amount of noise or Motion problems in the finer parts of the picture. I tried several motion and noise filters to try and minimize it, it didn't help. I thought Oh No, this might be something I can't live with since I am such a Big Sports Fan. After a few tries of settings and different Menu options I turned all my Displays on and tuned to the game. I have DirecTV, but I also have the ability to switch over to Antenna. Well guess what it was on all my Displays and on Antenna as well as DirecTV. I wish I would of checked one of my other displays first cause it was in the Broadcast and had nothing to do with the Display's. The Displays are fine, So if you see some extra noise it's the broadcasters Camera's or equipment. Could be just a local thing, but our Local Affiliate is usually one of our better broadcasters of the Big Boys.
I sure Hope someone else notices this before the Final Game.
post #14387 of 16126
On the 65" Samsung. The bigger you go the harder it is to get things right because they are more noticable. You have to be on your best game when assembling and going thru you final quality check. I think we will see more of this Hit or Miss thing in the larger sets from all manufactures.
The good thing is that, the better they get with the Larger sets anything smaller will be better. Which is a good thing.
Anybody remember How SD looked on the first Rear projection 46 " Cathrode Tube Display.
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Last night I was watching the NCAA Tourney on my ES8000 and I noticed a excessive amount of noise or Motion problems in the finer parts of the picture. I tried several motion and noise filters to try and minimize it, it didn't help. I thought Oh No, this might be something I can't live with since I am such a Big Sports Fan. After a few tries of settings and different Menu options I turned all my Displays on and tuned to the game. I have DirecTV, but I also have the ability to switch over to Antenna. Well guess what it was on all my Displays and on Antenna as well as DirecTV. I wish I would of checked one of my other displays first cause it was in the Broadcast and had nothing to do with the Display's. The Displays are fine, So if you see some extra noise it's the broadcasters Camera's or equipment. Could be just a local thing, but our Local Affiliate is usually one of our better broadcasters of the Big Boys.
I sure Hope someone else notices this before the Final Game.
I've noticed this on the CBS channel for sports. Same thing on my Sony 950...it won't be fixed by the Final game. And I'm from Michigan and a huge Wolverine fan frown.gif terrible broadcasting signal
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

If you lucky enough to get a 65" with minimal (read: not noticeable) banding it IS an outstanding panel.

1000

Rico here - - I wish I could say that my banding is not noticeable - - but when it's present, it's noticeable! I'm probably to the left of CMay on "OCD" when it comes to my panel - - but not by much. I have experienced the horrible banding that some of the posters refer to on the 65" with my second set (first was D.O.A. - crushed container.) And I agree with those folks - - no way, shape or form would I accept those TV's - - especially for the price.

For sports viewing (outside of hockey,) for news and other programming - - my Sammy 65" is phenomenal. (The source signal does affect banding (IMHO) and it's really non existent with my OPPO 103 player.)

I didn't experience any artifacts, at all, during last nights NCCA "Final Four" (Hail to the Victors Gallant, Hail to the Conquering Heroes!) So it might have been the transmission to different parts of the country.

So - for live action, TV shows like "Person of Interest," CNN, ESPN, NBA, NFL, even baseball games - - banding is rarely, rarely present on my 65" set. Incredible picture! Just like looking out a window....

One of the luxuries that I afforded myself was to couple my Sammy 65" setup with a BenQ W1080ST projector - - primarily for movies (Letterbox - 100" Diagonal 16 X 9 screen). I also find that the Sammy set is so clear and pristine that period films like "The French Connection" look like they were filmed YESTERDAY! Which, IMHO, kind of takes a way from the authentic feel of the movie - - time period wise.

Absolutely no fault of the Sammy for displaying a picture that good and especially for older, digitized films shot in the 50's, 60's and 70's. But when it's movie time, its projector time. There is nothing like the "big picture" and "home theater" experience of a projector. I now know why folks are in to projectors and the technology. But you really need to view the PJ in the dark - - so you don't wash out the black levels. And I don't always want to watch TV in the dark - - so it's a nice combo having the choice to decide what you'll watch - - a privilege, really!

So, I've learned to live with my TV's imperfections. And I can understand folks saying that for the money - - it should be 100% perfect - - no banding whatsoever. But - - I think it's inherent in the technology and it really boils down to what is an acceptable level for you.

Last night - - I watched my Sammy 65" set solely - - for the NCAA Final Four, part of the Rockies game as well as the Nuggets (I took a peak at the Avalanche, too, but what a sad sack of losers!)

Nothing, I mean nothing - - not my projector, no TV set that I've ever had matches the beautiful colors and depth & detail of "blacks" & clarity of my Sammy set. I mean, during halftime on the NCAA Final Four - - I can see what type of suits they are wearing, the subtle colors, the pin stripes or faded pin stripes - - I mean the level of detail is amazing. Even with my local news channels - - I can see the sheen on the suits - - the very minute details of clothing, background - - just fantastic!

These are my findings as recorded this day... April 7th, 2013, faithfully submitted.... Ricoflashback - - TV Sergeant At Arms.... (For Blade!) smile.gif
Edited by Ricoflashback - 4/7/13 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Last night I was watching the NCAA Tourney on my ES8000 and I noticed a excessive amount of noise or Motion problems in the finer parts of the picture. I tried several motion and noise filters to try and minimize it, it didn't help. I thought Oh No, this might be something I can't live with since I am such a Big Sports Fan. After a few tries of settings and different Menu options I turned all my Displays on and tuned to the game. I have DirecTV, but I also have the ability to switch over to Antenna. Well guess what it was on all my Displays and on Antenna as well as DirecTV. I wish I would of checked one of my other displays first cause it was in the Broadcast and had nothing to do with the Display's. The Displays are fine, So if you see some extra noise it's the broadcasters Camera's or equipment. Could be just a local thing, but our Local Affiliate is usually one of our better broadcasters of the Big Boys.
I sure Hope someone else notices this before the Final Game.

Ive been unimpressed with CBS's basketball picture quality. You can set the noise filters to auto though to help with some of the artifacts.
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Rico, gratitude...

At risk of another fanboy comment, i thought the game had outstanding pic quality. FIOS is my source and i have to think they really made the difference and get the credit. Based on feedback about the game i really think it was completely dependent on provider. OTA is not always the holy grail as i once thought.
The colors were popping crazy but i watched Lincoln first which is a muted color palet so switching to the game was total eyecandy.
Go Wolverines!!!
Edited by Bladerunner1959 - 4/7/13 at 4:32pm
post #14392 of 16126
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Originally Posted by 1000 View Post

If you lucky enough to get a 65" with minimal (read: not noticeable) banding it IS an outstanding panel.

1000

Then I have "an outstanding panel"
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Ive been unimpressed with CBS's basketball picture quality. You can set the noise filters to auto though to help with some of the artifacts.
You know, I tried everything except Auto I settled on Custom 10 and 5. Most of the time I like it off or Clear but I think I will leave it on custom for a few days to see what I think.
Thanks,
Glen
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

cmay- I put a little more weight in your opinions because of the multiple TVs and exchanges you went through when trying to find a TV that you could live with, but I still don't agree that the 65"ES8000 is any more flawed than any other TV or model. Based on your experience, and rightfully so, you believe it is flawed because that's all you really saw when trying to find one that you could live with. I get that. On the other hand, I bought mine and did not have to go through any panel lottery or multiple exchanges to get a good one. I also look at the 65"ES8000 any time I see one on display and I have never seen one that had bad banding. Besides my TV I've probably looked at 15 others. The only reason I was looking at them was to see if I could see any banding on them and really couldn't. I am not going to go back through this thread and count how many people got one and had banding problems, but let's say there's 50. 50 people in this thread having that problem isn't exactly a scientific analysis of the TVs flaws. 50 out of the thousands and thousands that have been sold...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's no real proof that the TV is flawed any more than any other TV. Mine isn't and that's all that really matters to me.

I have been a visitor here at AVS for several years and I have joined just to inform you I have taken great offence to your statements. I lost over $250 in wages during 3 separate occasions where I had to wait at home for the delivery people to bring me a defective free 65ES800. My 3rd and final attempt was the worse of the 3. It possessed flash lighting, horrible clouding, banding and a distinct dark shadow under the webcam. And to insist that there is nothing wrong with this model is nothing short of trivializing and belittling each and every person inconvenienced by this INHERENTLY FLAWED TV. Most insulting to me is when you declared the only person you believe who truly was subjected to a defective model was "Cmay".

So is everybody else lying, myself included. Should we get our eyes examined or are we simply imagining these defects. Don't fool yourself, your words are SNIDE AND CONDESCENDING to say the least.


BTW, based on what I've read here, Amazon.com, Retrevo and Test Freaks all warning of the perils of purchasing a 65 incher, I elected to downgrade to a 60" and I could not be more happier. And if I implemented your statistical logic of using a sample space of a single unit, every UN60ES8000 ever manufactured has been 100% defective free.
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

You know, I tried everything except Auto I settled on Custom 10 and 5. Most of the time I like it off or Clear but I think I will leave it on custom for a few days to see what I think.
Thanks,
Glen

That is a different setting, you are talking about auto motion plus. I am talking about: Picture options --> Digital Noise Filter and MPEG Noise filter.
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

That is a different setting, you are talking about auto motion plus. I am talking about: Picture options --> Digital Noise Filter and MPEG Noise filter.
If I understand you right. you mean to use those on a as need bases or are you talking about leaving the Digital Noise and MPEG Filters on Auto all the time. If it's all the time this will be the first Display I have ever owned where it was better On. If you guys are experiencing better perfomance with them on I will give it a try.
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Hey all, just got the 60" es8000.

I'lll admit, I was a sucker for all the tech which a week in I'm barely using, but that Cnet review keeps freaking me out. You guys love your tv's? watch a lot of movies? any good movie settings? I don't know anything about TV's and calibrating them, but now im wondering if I shoulda gotten a plasma?
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

If I understand you right. you mean to use those on a as need bases or are you talking about leaving the Digital Noise and MPEG Filters on Auto all the time. If it's all the time this will be the first Display I have ever owned where it was better On. If you guys are experiencing better perfomance with them on I will give it a try.

No Im saying as needed depending on your cable source and compression. They should be off for blu-ray, but if you have a noisy cable TV signal it can help.
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Originally Posted by CosmicJive View Post

Hey all, just got the 60" es8000.

I'lll admit, I was a sucker for all the tech which a week in I'm barely using, but that Cnet review keeps freaking me out. You guys love your tv's? watch a lot of movies? any good movie settings? I don't know anything about TV's and calibrating them, but now im wondering if I shoulda gotten a plasma?

Welcome! You will find a lot of users' calibrated (and some non-calibrated) settings in the spreadsheet that is linked in my sig. We've found you'll most likely have better results if you try setting from users who have the same size set as you (different panels) Be sure to let us know how you end up!
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

+1

Jestered is a good guy and helps a lot of people out in this thread. Also one lucky SOB for managing to win the 65 lottery smile.gif

He sounds really helpful.
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Mine isn't [flawed] and that's all that really matters to me.



Like eating steak and lobster in front of the patrons of a soup kitchen.
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