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post #14401 of 16125
Thanks man. This tv has such mixed reviews I'm nervous now and in my 30 days. Just need some moral support. My last tv was a 2004 Samsung DLP ha ha.

Is it safe to say the major issues people have been having have been with the 65?

Does the "clouding" get better?
post #14402 of 16125
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Originally Posted by CosmicJive View Post

Thanks man. This tv has such mixed reviews I'm nervous now and in my 30 days. Just need some moral support. My last tv was a 2004 Samsung DLP ha ha.

Is it safe to say the major issues people have been having have been with the 65?

Does the "clouding" get better?

No prob, if you read even only a few pages back, you'll see there are some very happy 60" owners here, and yes, the 65" is the most troubled size. You'll have more or less clouding depending on your settings, so you'll most likely need to try a few different configurations. I would venture to say most of the settings in the doc will yield virtually unnoticeable clouding during normal viewing.
post #14403 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

No prob, if you read even only a few pages back, you'll see there are some very happy 60" owners here, and yes, the 65" is the most troubled size. You'll have more or less clouding depending on your settings, so you'll most likely need to try a few different configurations. I would venture to say most of the settings in the doc will yield virtually unnoticeable clouding during normal viewing.

Thanks again.

I'm using Garnoch's settings. Lookin good. Keep you updated.
post #14404 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I guess that's a possibility, but I know I saw some material in BB that should have shown banding if it was really noticeable. It could also be that the contrast and brightness is maxed out on the store models and I've personally seen that the banding is reduced with higher contrast and brightness.

Jestered - Did you calibrate the Standard setting? My apologies if this has been asked or discussed.
post #14405 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Last night I was watching the NCAA Tourney on my ES8000 and I noticed a excessive amount of noise or Motion problems in the finer parts of the picture. I tried several motion and noise filters to try and minimize it, it didn't help. I thought Oh No, this might be something I can't live with since I am such a Big Sports Fan. After a few tries of settings and different Menu options I turned all my Displays on and tuned to the game. I have DirecTV, but I also have the ability to switch over to Antenna. Well guess what it was on all my Displays and on Antenna as well as DirecTV. I wish I would of checked one of my other displays first cause it was in the Broadcast and had nothing to do with the Display's. The Displays are fine, So if you see some extra noise it's the broadcasters Camera's or equipment. Could be just a local thing, but our Local Affiliate is usually one of our better broadcasters of the Big Boys.
I sure Hope someone else notices this before the Final Game.

Hey I am experiencing motion problems with just live sports; NCAA tourney, hockey, even baseball. I had Samsung replace my set because of a dead pixel and I still experience the motion issues. Its kinda like a stutter in the picture and it happens 3-4 times a game.I have tried every setting under the sun and nothing seems to work. Oddly I was at my father in laws watching the tourney on his Sony 55in 240hz and noticed the same stutter.

it doesnt happen with video games, movies, blu rays, 3d, just live sports. So weird and so frustrating.
post #14406 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Hey I am experiencing motion problems with just live sports; NCAA tourney, hockey, even baseball. I had Samsung replace my set because of a dead pixel and I still experience the motion issues. Its kinda like a stutter in the picture and it happens 3-4 times a game.I have tried every setting under the sun and nothing seems to work. Oddly I was at my father in laws watching the tourney on his Sony 55in 240hz and noticed the same stutter.

it doesnt happen with video games, movies, blu rays, 3d, just live sports. So weird and so frustrating.

set auto motion plus to "clear"
post #14407 of 16125
Definitely AMP (Auto Motion Plus, under Picture>Picture Options) setting, "Off" should do the trick if Clear doesn't work
post #14408 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

No Im saying as needed depending on your cable source and compression. They should be off for blu-ray, but if you have a noisy cable TV signal it can help.
Got it and thats what I thought you meant.
Thanks,
Glen
post #14409 of 16125
Hey Guys, new to the forum. I am a proud owner of a UN60ES8000. I just picked this set up for 1960.00 at PC Richards. So far I am loving the picture. No banding (that I can see), even after various tests found on google and you tube. Very minor clouding. I actually saw some clouding while watching the BR of Jurassic park this weekend in the beginning credits and ending credits. Otherwise, nothing throughout the movie. Hopefully, I will not encounter anything as the set matures.

I have a few questions if I may smile.gif

I am looking to purchase an Oppo 103 BR player. I own a Denon 2313ci AVR and Devinitive pro 1000 surrounds and Procenter 2000.
Once I connect the Oppo to my Denon, and then an HDMI to my TV, do I lose any of the clarity I would receive if I ran the Oppo directly to my TV and sent another HDMI cable to my Denon for sound?
I have read nothing but stellar feedback on the oppo series 103 and I just want to be sure that I wont lose any of this legendary PQ if I connect directly to my AVR and then out to my ES8000.

I see that update 1047 is available for my ES8000. I admit I have not read every page in this 400+ thread. Some have updated with no problems, others ave encountered problems. What is the consensus on upgrading to 1047?

Thank you smile.gif
post #14410 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Jestered - Did you calibrate the Standard setting? My apologies if this has been asked or discussed.

Sorry, I haven't. I will attempt to calibrate Standard mode at some point, but it took so long to get Movie mode where I wanted that I'm a little burned out on the calibration process at the moment. I also don't want to put a lot of work into Standard mode until after the EvoKit is released. No sense in putting in the time to attempt to get Standard mode calibrated if the EvoKit is going to force a complete do-over from a calibration standpoint. Once the EvoKit is released I'll try getting Standard mode done, but it's nearly impossible to do with the auto-dimming that cannot be turned off in Standard mode.
post #14411 of 16125
Raist, First let me say Welcome. The Oppo 103 is just a Killer BDP. If I was doing the hookup I would Take HDMI 1 Out to the TV and then I would run HDMI 2 out to the Denon. The reason I would do this is that the Denon will not have to be on just to watch a DVD. Then if and when you want Surround Sound Just turn the Denon On.
As for the Software update I can only tell you that I am running 1047 and couldn't tell you if it's better than the previous version cause this is all I have run. I have not seen any major problems though.
post #14412 of 16125
I'm using 1047 FW with no issues.

TV looks great in 2d and 3d. Everything works well. Not sure what all the firmware hype is about. Might have been some issues with the pre 1046.2 however, I'n not aware of any significant differences betwwen 1046.2 and 1047. If you're concerned, download 1046.2 onto a flash drive, unzip it and update your TV with that version first. You can always update to 1047 later. However, personally, I'd go straight to1047 and not look back.
post #14413 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Definitely AMP (Auto Motion Plus, under Picture>Picture Options) setting, "Off" should do the trick if Clear doesn't work

Tried off and clear.

Right now I do
Clear- judder 0 and blur 10
Auto motion 1
Motion plus on
Noise filters off
post #14414 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Tried off and clear.

Right now I do
Clear- judder 0 and blur 10
Auto motion 1
Motion plus on
Noise filters off

So how does it look? And what is your source component/path? And have you tried with all of those settings off?
post #14415 of 16125
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Originally Posted by raist3001 View Post

Hey Guys, new to the forum. I am a proud owner of a UN60ES8000. I just picked this set up for 1960.00 at PC Richards. So far I am loving the picture. No banding (that I can see), even after various tests found on google and you tube. Very minor clouding. I actually saw some clouding while watching the BR of Jurassic park this weekend in the beginning credits and ending credits. Otherwise, nothing throughout the movie. Hopefully, I will not encounter anything as the set matures.

I have a few questions if I may smile.gif

I am looking to purchase an Oppo 103 BR player. I own a Denon 2313ci AVR and Devinitive pro 1000 surrounds and Procenter 2000.
Once I connect the Oppo to my Denon, and then an HDMI to my TV, do I lose any of the clarity I would receive if I ran the Oppo directly to my TV and sent another HDMI cable to my Denon for sound?
I have read nothing but stellar feedback on the oppo series 103 and I just want to be sure that I wont lose any of this legendary PQ if I connect directly to my AVR and then out to my ES8000.

I see that update 1047 is available for my ES8000. I admit I have not read every page in this 400+ thread. Some have updated with no problems, others ave encountered problems. What is the consensus on upgrading to 1047?

Thank you smile.gif

I have the OPPO 103 and it is a fantastic Bluray player! (Only negative - - no Amazon Prime streaming, yet!)

Personally - - I connect my OPPO to my Pioneer SC65 receiver and then HDMI1 out to my TV. Surprisingly - - the upscaling (Marvel QDEO) from my AVR does help the picture. Go figure - - I've tried it on and off (straight pass through) - - and like it "on." It's also simpler that way.

If you Denon CANNOT pass thru 3D - - then you won't have any choice. Also - - with my receiver, I can still listen to the audio via the tv speakers without having the receiver on - - but I never do that.

Enjoy!
post #14416 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Tried off and clear.

Right now I do
Clear- judder 0 and blur 10
Auto motion 1
Motion plus on
Noise filters off

Turn off all processing. Turn off "Noise filters." (Really, if you have cable or satellite - - your signal should not be a problem unless you have bad cables or a bad box.)

Set AMP to "Clear," "Standard," or "Off."

You shouldn't be having ANY judder/motion problems with your TV. Out of all the complaints on the Sammy sets, rarely have I seen problems with judder or motion artifacts. (If it continues - - I'd log a service call with Samsung support (better yet, Email!) Make sure you check your cables and provider box to make sure that isn't the issue. If you have more than one TV - - and the picture is fine - - then make sure it's not the cables, connection or some other interference involved. Are you running clean power?)
Edited by Ricoflashback - 4/8/13 at 9:33am
post #14417 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Sorry, I haven't. I will attempt to calibrate Standard mode at some point, but it took so long to get Movie mode where I wanted that I'm a little burned out on the calibration process at the moment. I also don't want to put a lot of work into Standard mode until after the EvoKit is released. No sense in putting in the time to attempt to get Standard mode calibrated if the EvoKit is going to force a complete do-over from a calibration standpoint. Once the EvoKit is released I'll try getting Standard mode done, but it's nearly impossible to do with the auto-dimming that cannot be turned off in Standard mode.

Make sense. Do we have different custom color plate for Movie and Standard? I thought we did but it looks like its the same. The white balance are independent.
post #14418 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Turn off all processing. Turn off "Noise filters." (Really, if you have cable or satellite - - your signal should not be a problem unless you have bad cables or a bad box.)

Set AMP to "Clear," "Standard," or "Off."

You shouldn't be having ANY judder/motion problems with your TV. Out of all the complaints on the Sammy sets, rarely have I seen problems with judder or motion artifacts. (If it continues - - I'd log a service call with Samsung support (better yet, Email!) Make sure you check your cables and provider box to make sure that isn't the issue. If you have more than one TV - - and the picture is fine - - then make sure it's not the cables, connection or some other interference involved. Are you running clean power?)

You guys have to excuse me. Some things I don't understand. Here is the rundown: bought a new HDMI cable. The panel was replaced last week due to a dead pixel. So this is basically tv #2. I have the latest firmware. Tv and cable box(fios) are plugged into a surge protector. I tried all processing off and did a lot of trial and error with other settings. Still get a weird judder sometimes during sports events and even Monday night raw. Use to have a Sony lcd 52 inch and never had any issues.
post #14419 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

You guys have to excuse me. Some things I don't understand. Here is the rundown: bought a new HDMI cable. The panel was replaced last week due to a dead pixel. So this is basically tv #2. I have the latest firmware. Tv and cable box(fios) are plugged into a surge protector. I tried all processing off and did a lot of trial and error with other settings. Still get a weird judder sometimes during sports events and even Monday night raw. Use to have a Sony lcd 52 inch and never had any issues.

Not usually a problem if I have my FiOS box (old Motorlola QIP6200-2) set to output 1080i across the board, but I believe it's ABC and ESPN that natively broadcast in 720p, and I think I remember the STB will pass through the native signal if you change it to 720p; but then it will be converting the rest of the 1080i channels. Worth a shot, I vaguely remember trying this a while back on one of my plasmas.
post #14420 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Make sense. Do we have different custom color plate for Movie and Standard? I thought we did but it looks like its the same. The white balance are independent.
Unfortunately the custom color settings are across all modes instead of individual settings per-mode.
post #14421 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Make sense. Do we have different custom color plate for Movie and Standard? I thought we did but it looks like its the same. The white balance are independent.

That's actually the other problem keeping me from messing with Standard mode. Each HDMI port has one batch of color settings regardless of what picture mode your in. You can use different color settings for each source input (HDMI 1, HDMI2, HDMI3, etc...), but that's not possible for me since everything is coming in through HDMI2 and I'm not using any other input sources.
post #14422 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Not usually a problem if I have my FiOS box (old Motorlola QIP6200-2) set to output 1080i across the board, but I believe it's ABC and ESPN that natively broadcast in 720p, and I think I remember the STB will pass through the native signal if you change it to 720p; but then it will be converting the rest of the 1080i channels. Worth a shot, I vaguely remember trying this a while back on one of my plasmas.

Ok so I should my set top box to native or 720p?
post #14423 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

That's actually the other problem keeping me from messing with Standard mode. Each HDMI port has one batch of color settings regardless of what picture mode your in. You can use different color settings for each source input (HDMI 1, HDMI2, HDMI3, etc...), but that's not possible for me since everything is coming in through HDMI2 and I'm not using any other input sources.

Yesterday I applied your settings to the Movie mode. I found that in my WOW contrast pattern, I couldn't adjust the setting to maximize white capability. The two right strips will always be distinguishable no matter how I set the contrast and brightness. Using your settings actually enabled me to do that. Any insights?
post #14424 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post


Ok so I should my set top box to native or 720p?

Well mine doesn't have a native setting, but if yours does, then by all means (I believe Direct STBs do); I'm curious to see what you get if you go to 720p (then the TV will only need to scale rather than scale and de-interlace).
post #14425 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Well mine doesn't have a native setting, but if yours does, then by all means (I believe Direct STBs do); I'm curious to see what you get if you go to 720p (then the TV will only need to scale rather than scale and de-interlace).

Ok I am gonna try 720p. I will report back my results.

Thanks!
post #14426 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post

Ok so I should my set top box to native or 720p?

I would experiment and see if there's any difference or you have a preference. I previously had my comcast box outputting everythin in 1080p (so all channels were being converted by the box before it got to the set). I swiched the box to "native" so that it sends either 1080i or 720p (depending on the source) and let's the TV convert to 1080p. After much back and forth, I struggled and ultimately failed to see any difference in PQ. I was surprised since I assumed that the comcast box (actually a motorola box) seemed to do as good a job at conversion as the set does -- in my experience this was definitely NOT true with commodity conversions by cable / sat boxes a several years back (which tended to do a poorer job than other components in the chain). There were however a couple differences in output not directly related to PQ -- with the box outputting a native signal, there was a noticeable delay (about 1 solid second) when switching between channels providing different sources where the screen was black (presumably when the TV was identifying the source format and beginning the conversion) and a few channels that I watch regularly would display the image differently on the TV real estate depending on whether fed a native or 1080p signal (even with the same "smartview" display selected in the TV menu) -- these are all widescreen but SD channels, mostly foreign sources that may or not be provided to comcast in HD but for which comcast doesn't offer an HD slot in its line-up -- on this last point it is pretty frustrating for a soccer fan to watch a game with BeIn Sport's HD logo in a widescreen format but that is delievered to my comcast box in SD by comcast!
post #14427 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Catt99 View Post

I would experiment and see if there's any difference or you have a preference. I previously had my comcast box outputting everythin in 1080p (so all channels were being converted by the box before it got to the set). I swiched the box to "native" so that it sends either 1080i or 720p (depending on the source) and let's the TV convert to 1080p. After much back and forth, I struggled and ultimately failed to see any difference in PQ. I was surprised since I assumed that the comcast box (actually a motorola box) seemed to do as good a job at conversion as the set does -- in my experience this was definitely NOT true with commodity conversions by cable / sat boxes a several years back (which tended to do a poorer job than other components in the chain). There were however a couple differences in output not directly related to PQ -- with the box outputting a native signal, there was a noticeable delay (about 1 solid second) when switching between channels providing different sources where the screen was black (presumably when the TV was identifying the source format and beginning the conversion) and a few channels that I watch regularly would display the image differently on the TV real estate depending on whether fed a native or 1080p signal (even with the same "smartview" display selected in the TV menu) -- these are all widescreen but SD channels, mostly foreign sources that may or not be provided to comcast in HD but for which comcast doesn't offer an HD slot in its line-up -- on this last point it is pretty frustrating for a soccer fan to watch a game with BeIn Sport's HD logo in a widescreen format but that is delievered to my comcast box in SD by comcast!

We are finally getting Bein Sports HD on Fios. Its just so weird. If I didn't get a replacement I would say it was the TV but this is the 2nd one. There has to be something I am not doing right. This TV was voted best for sports.
post #14428 of 16125
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Originally Posted by JeffreyLyons1977 View Post


We are finally getting Bein Sports HD on Fios. Its just so weird. If I didn't get a replacement I would say it was the TV but this is the 2nd one. There has to be something I am not doing right. This TV was voted best for sports.

You could also pull the FiOS feed from the STB and run it direct to the TV (I ended up doing this for the Superbowl for a clean conversion, since my STB doesn't have "native", you'll then for sure be getting a native source, but only the locals in HD, of course) and see how that turns out; maybe you can get FiOS to bring you an updated STB if you don't have one already. Again, I know mine is an older one.
post #14429 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Yesterday I applied your settings to the Movie mode. I found that in my WOW contrast pattern, I couldn't adjust the setting to maximize white capability. The two right strips will always be distinguishable no matter how I set the contrast and brightness. Using your settings actually enabled me to do that. Any insights?

I'm assuming it's because of the 10pt. white balance settings that changed that behavior for you. There's no way that my 10pt white balance settings are exact for you, but it may have brought them in enough that it helped with your high end contrast setting. I know before getting my meter that I was using contrast at 100 because that's what everyone said it should be on. I always questioned that because I had major color clipping with contrast above 80. It wasn't until I got the meter and started the calibration that I learned once I got my 10pt white balance dialed in, I no longer had all of that color clipping going on. I personallly think the 10pt white balance is the most important thing to get calibrated correctly over everything else. An out of whack 10pt white balance is going to throw off everything. I'm not at all saying that must have a meter to calibrate the TV to get a great picture. I'm just saying that if you do have a meter and are calibrating the TV, the 10pt white balance is very important.
post #14430 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

Yesterday I applied your settings to the Movie mode. I found that in my WOW contrast pattern, I couldn't adjust the setting to maximize white capability. The two right strips will always be distinguishable no matter how I set the contrast and brightness. Using your settings actually enabled me to do that. Any insights?

It is that he has his g-gain set at 50 and then balanced around that.
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