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post #14821 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Philip Luke View Post

Is the 60 inch a lottery as well?

So the banding hasn't gotten worse in my 65, but my annoyance with it has. I honestly only really see it when I look for it, but now that I know its there its distracting. I am thinking of down grading to the 60 inch F series while I am still in my return period.

I am just wondering if there is a lottery there as well. has everyone with multiple 65s under their belt swapped in a single 60 inch and been perfect with it, or do the 60s have their own set of problems? If the 60 is a lottery too I will just keep the 65, but if its a good chance for less frustration I will set up the swap today.

I warned you to never look in this thread again once you initially said you were happy with the TV. eek.gif

In all seriousness, yes.... many have switched out from the 65 to the 60 and have been very happy. I tried downsizing as well, but a couple of other issues had me decide to go in a different direction TV wise... but it was not because of banding, clouding or flashlighting.
post #14822 of 16125
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Originally Posted by parodielin View Post

I feel your pain. All 65s I had had similar banding situation. So if you cannot accept it, go for 60 or wait for the 65F (not sure if it will resove the banding).

Considering that even some of the 55F8000s have been returned already for banding, I think it's safe to expect similar degrees of banding on the 65 as there was with the 65ES8000.
post #14823 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

I think it is a good time to buy the ES8000, regardless of size. If you get a good one, you got a great deal. If you got a bad one, sit on it for a few months, call samsung, and get upgraded to an F8000. Win/Win

I don't think you get upgraded to an F8000, I think they will credit your purchase price toward one and you pay the difference. Somebody here already was told that because Samsung didn't have any more ES8000 sets in his size.
post #14824 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

+1, besides the possibility of a potential unsuccessful update, there was speculation that if the firmware contained picture-enhancing service menu tweaks, then they would only be applied after a factory reset; regardless of whether or not Samsung indicates the need to reset with the update.


Speculation is right... Do you modify your service menu? No? then why would it matter if Samsung updated a setting in your service menu? A full reset would do nothing to change that fact.


Cheers to all of you Koolaid drinkers!
post #14825 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Dude, read what he said. He said he updated and the picture looked worse, so he reset and re-updated and it looked great. He never said you should do it. You said there's zero evidence in favor of doing it and he disagreed. Lay off.

Read before you post, all through this thread he claims over and over a factory reset is necessary after you make a firmware update. It's misleading and completely unfounded.
post #14826 of 16125
Who cares
post #14827 of 16125
Great wallmount http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082812&p_id=6424&seq=1&format=2

anybody had an issue where the internal wi-fi card suddenly could not find ANY signals? Mine just searches without luck and router is 3' away. It used to pickup several neighboring signals.
noticed it while on FW 1407 updated to 1408 but no fix. have not done factory reset either, kinda avoiding it.

I own the 7500 model

cheers with any insight.
post #14828 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

+1, besides the possibility of a potential unsuccessful update, there was speculation that if the firmware contained picture-enhancing service menu tweaks, then they would only be applied after a factory reset; regardless of whether or not Samsung indicates the need to reset with the update.

Do you really think that "picture-enhancing service menu tweaks" would be written into the FW and NOT automatically put to work after installing the firmware? That doesn't seem very logical. Any company issuing a FW update with immediately available/tangible improvements aren't likely to inhibit access to those improvements. And you can rest assured that if said improvements had to be activated by a factory reset, we'd be clearly advised about it.

Regardless, if the FW install caused a degradation in PQ, that would tell me that the install failed. If the install failed, there may be underlying reasons for same. Accordingly, it would be best to start with a clean slate, do a reset then do the FW upgrade. Otherwise, don't bother with a reset.
post #14829 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Tarob View Post

Do you really think that "picture-enhancing service menu tweaks" would be written into the FW and NOT automatically put to work after installing the firmware? That doesn't seem very logical. Any company issuing a FW update with immediately available/tangible improvements aren't likely to inhibit access to those improvements. And you can rest assured that if said improvements had to be activated by a factory reset, we'd be clearly advised about it.

Regardless, if the FW install caused a degradation in PQ, that would tell me that the install failed. If the install failed, there may be underlying reasons for same. Accordingly, it would be best to start with a clean slate, do a reset then do the FW upgrade. Otherwise, don't bother with a reset.

+1 Pure speculation

Also your avatar scares me a little Tarob....
post #14830 of 16125
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Originally Posted by limitz View Post

Great wallmount http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082812&p_id=6424&seq=1&format=2

anybody had an issue where the internal wi-fi card suddenly could not find ANY signals? Mine just searches without luck and router is 3' away. It used to pickup several neighboring signals.
noticed it while on FW 1407 updated to 1408 but no fix. have not done factory reset either, kinda avoiding it.

I own the 7500 model

cheers with any insight.
This has happened to people before. Have you simply unplugged it ("battery pull" worked great on Blackberrys)? I don't remember how others issue was resolved.
post #14831 of 16125
Many people get their sets professionally calibrated- these people receive firmware updates.

Samsung understands this as "improved picture quality" is vague- the firmware is not supposed to effect the calibration....

Unless the owner wants to change the picture values in the HDTV's data base- thus a Factory or Picture Settings Reset.

There is photographic evidence further back in this and other threads of PQ changes based on firmware.
post #14832 of 16125
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

+1 Pure speculation

Also your avatar scares me a little Tarob....

Yeah......... She's a knock out.

A little moody at times that's for sure. However, eye candy like that often comes with a price.
post #14833 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Just because you just got the set does not mean you should not do a factory reset. Apparently that's needed to really take advantage of the updated PQ settings in the firmware. It's been discussed a lot and no one really knows why, but I have a feeling they're changing the Service Menu default settings with the firmware update. The problem is that those default Service Menu settings don't get set (or reset) on the TV until you do a factory reset. So if you don't do one, even though you just got the TV, you probably won't get the new defaults loaded to your TV.

Perhaps our fine calibrator Jestered can shed some light on this whole factory reset speculation. Jestered, were you ever able to prove this to be valid in any of your findings? Or is this still speculation on your part?
post #14834 of 16125
Hi! I recently purchased an 55" Es7000 (7500 in US), I have some flshlighting/clouding, and 3 horizontal bands in 3d mode. Please look at my pictures! Should i return the set, or stick with it? Im affraid that the next one might be more bad. Pictures taken in standard mode, with backlight at 9, eco sensor on at level 4, contrast 80, brightness 45.
Thank you!






post #14835 of 16125
Hi

I own a UN46ES8000, I was looking in the service menu, to my surprise in the SVC there were 2 settings set to failure

Panel Auto Setting: Failure
T-CON USB Download: Failure

I tried right arrow to change it success but it fails everytime
does anybody know if that has any effect on the TV, what are these settings for?



Thanks
post #14836 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Darbee Darblet Review - Redux

Well, I must have gotten a bum Darblet before because I didn't see any affect on my Samsung UN65ES8000 when I tried it out this past holiday season. I ended up sending it back.

Since then, I added a projector to my setup (short thorw BenQ W1080ST) I decided to try the Darblet again since it works so great with projectors. I decided to try it again with my Sammy and I must say - - I'm very impressed.

The best way I can explain the "effect" is that it makes my Directv HDTV signal look like Bluray material. I'm seeing detail that I've never seen before - - and I already thought my picture was uber sharp. Example: I was moving through the channels tonight and stumbled on a show called "Castle." Anyway - - they have this one lady character that quite frankly, had a bad case of five o'clock shadow. I toggled the Darblet on and off - - and you could really see the diffference.

I know this will date me, but this chick was really scary. If you've ever seen old footage of the Kennedy - Nixon black and white TV debates - - let's just say that her beard was a tad lighter than tricky Dick's.

So - - my apologies to Darbeevision - - the extra luminance and sharpness of the PQ is even evident on our super sharp Sammy sets. I've been very surprised - - and pleasantly so.

I bought an "open box" Darblet from Solid Signal for around $260.00. It looked brand new to me and worked like a charm from the get go.. I have a Monoprice splitter on it's way so I can enjoy the Darblet on both my Sammy set and Projector.
Rico, I was not going to say anything but, I went ahead and bought a Open Box from Solid Signal. The unit was brand new and in a sealed box when I got it must of been a return. Anyway I hooked it up and at first I was not impressed, then I got to playing with the settings. I set it on HD 50% and wahla this was the ticket. I like it on my es8000 . I am a detail man in picture preference and this thing did for me exactly what I like, more detail. I am using it with Directv and only on HD channels but it does what I had hoped it would do and I am very pleased.
post #14837 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Rico, I was not going to say anything but, I went ahead and bought a Open Box from Solid Signal. The unit was brand new and in a sealed box when I got it must of been a return. Anyway I hooked it up and at first I was not impressed, then I got to playing with the settings. I set it on HD 50% and wahla this was the ticket. I like it on my es8000 . I am a detail man in picture preference and this thing did for me exactly what I like, more detail. I am using it with Directv and only on HD channels but it does what I had hoped it would do and I am very pleased.

Great minds think alike! That's the setting that I use for the Darblet - - HD 50%. And I was quite surprised that my already uber sharp Sammy set could look even better! I even turned down "Sharpness" on my Sammy menu and I let the Darblet do the work.

Just the Sammy set itself - - non HDTV signals look bad and even worse with the Darblet. It seems to work best with a better signal - - and I also use it for my Bluray - - but I just turn down the percentage to 35% or 40% and it still provides a great effect.

What's great is that you can toggle it on/off to see the effect. The colors are also impacted - - positively, in my opinion. Like looking out a picture window!

Glad you like it!
post #14838 of 16125
Sounds like money better spent over the EK, we shall see though. I wonder what it is like calibrating with one of those in your chain.
post #14839 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Sounds like money better spent over the EK, we shall see though. I wonder what it is like calibrating with one of those in your chain.

RE: Darbee Darblet & Calibration

I don't think it would change the calibration at all as the processing is different than say HQV Video or Marvell QDEO. It's also been incorporated by Lumagen in some of their products (high end video processors).

As best as I can explain and this is from the Darbeevision "White Paper" -

"The process embeds stereo depth information into monoscopic images. The image processing is done intra-frame so that no large buffer memory or time delays are required. Processing is resolution independent, scaling linearly with the number of pixels in a frame. The processing is local, modifying the image luminance on a per-pixel basis."

So - to me- the difference is in clarity (like a sharpening tool - Photoshop?) but also luminance - - brightness and depth perception.

I was a real skeptic and even returned a Darblet earlier when I didn't see anything happening to my Sammy set. (It turns out that I got a bum/defective unit.)

Only when I added a PJ to my setup did I try it again with my Sammy set. And I've been real happy with the results.

If you do purchase a Darbee unit - - try to purchase from a source that has a 30 day, no questions asked returned policy like Amazon. I ended up getting an "open box" (discounted) from Solid Signal (it looked brand new to me) because I knew it worked great with projectors from all the comments on the forum. I'm using it with both displays now - - a real nice benefit.
post #14840 of 16125
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Many people get their sets professionally calibrated- these people receive firmware updates.

Samsung understands this as "improved picture quality" is vague- the firmware is not supposed to effect the calibration....

Unless the owner wants to change the picture values in the HDTV's data base- thus a Factory or Picture Settings Reset.

There is photographic evidence further back in this and other threads of PQ changes based on firmware.

I'm not arguing that certain updates may effect picture settings you are currently using as such a simple PICTURE reset and recalibration would be sufficient and not a full factory reset which some people are claiming you need to do to receive the full benefit of the firmware update.
post #14841 of 16125
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

I'm not arguing that certain updates may effect picture settings you are currently using as such a simple PICTURE reset and recalibration would be sufficient and not a full factory reset which some people are claiming you need to do to receive the full benefit of the firmware update.

+1, Agreeded - the Picture settings reset is all it takes.

Yet, the full factory reset may help also.
post #14842 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Sounds like money better spent over the EK, we shall see though. I wonder what it is like calibrating with one of those in your chain.
Mavin,
I don't think it would have any effect on the Calibration. I would calibrate with the Darbee Off and then after complete switch it on. I don't know what it's doing, but I think it is doing some processing with the algorythm of the Digital signal. The reason I say that is it's different than any Video Processing I have ever seen and it seems that the better the signal the better it work's. It really shines on 720 up. What it does or is doing that I can see is it doesn't mess too much with the Focal point of the picture, but all surrounding and behind this Focal point is a noticable increase in Detail. This way you don't get the Cartoon effect that you get from normal processor's. I had read some reviews where they stated the better the Quality of feed the better. This is certainly true but, you can't make the comparision of the Old Adage of Garbage in Garbage out scenario with this unit, it's just not that kind of processing going on, It's Different.
I like what I'm seeing though.

P.S. Any movement on the release of your new setting's.
Edited by Glenee - 4/25/13 at 12:07pm
post #14843 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

This has happened to people before. Have you simply unplugged it ("battery pull" worked great on Blackberrys)? I don't remember how others issue was resolved.

Ok, great. So apparently I am not the only one then. It's such a weird thing how it just crapped out all of a sudden.
To answer your question. I have unplugged the power cord from the mains outlet for up to an hour.
"Worked great on Blackberrys?". I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by that. Well, I have an Android phone which is the Samsung Galaxy S2 and it picks up dozens of neighboring Wi-Fi signals all the time, so my router settings are perfectly fine and haven't been changed for several years now.

Very weird issue the damn thing just went *kaput*

Mind explaining what you meant by your Blackberry question?

Note: I remember noticing that whenever Samsung updates their SmartTV Servers at which point causes the end users SmartTV's to not be able to connect (stupid) then in-turn displaying on the screen the "error_model_bind" code/message every few minutes. It would also display something about the Wi-Fi not connected every so often during SmartTV Service downtime. However, everything gets to working again once the SmartTV Service has been restored.

Cheers
post #14844 of 16125
Hi all,

I am back!! And nothing has changed (for those who have been following my posts). Haha

STB's replaced, coax replaced and the TV still does it. I will just have to live with it.

Thanks to everyone for their help.
post #14845 of 16125
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Originally Posted by digimat View Post

I'm not arguing that certain updates may effect picture settings you are currently using as such a simple PICTURE reset and recalibration would be sufficient and not a full factory reset which some people are claiming you need to do to receive the full benefit of the firmware update.

It was quite a while ago when this was discussed (like hundreds of pages ago) and I am no expert, but my fuzzy recollection on the purported benefit of doing a full factory reset after a firmware upgrade (or two) is that it restores all of your picture settings back to their original factory default state. I don't think it has anything to do with firmware tweaks kicking in (so to speak) after a firmware update. Rather, by returning all of your settings to their default state, whatever benefit the firmware was supposed to provide, it was designed to deliver it when your TV is at a factory default state. The point being that whatever the firmware is supposed to do to a particular setting, based on how you may have it set on your TV when you do a firmware upgrade, might result in the firmware not having the desired effect. This seems reasonable to me, and it also explains why doing a full system reset has no effect after some firmware upgrades, while on others, it does. I take it to mean that a particular firmware update is not addressing any picture elements, but is all Smart Hub based, or something else. IMO, this is why it is so maddening that Samsung can't take an extra 5 minutes before they push these things out the door to include some updated notes on what the upgrade is for. According to Samsung, for more than a year now, every single firmware upgrade the've released has included a fix for Angry Birds. C'mon, really? Really??
Edited by pitchman - 4/25/13 at 5:05pm
post #14846 of 16125
Pitchman, their FW documentation is ridiculous. I'm cautious about fw in general: ex, my 2nd generation bluray player, a Samsung bd-p1200 with Faroudja pic processing was amazing with dvd until i ran my first update. Once that happened ...i never again had excellent dvd pic quality even though bluray functionality improved somewhat.
post #14847 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

Perhaps our fine calibrator Jestered can shed some light on this whole factory reset speculation. Jestered, were you ever able to prove this to be valid in any of your findings? Or is this still speculation on your part?

There was one, maybe two firmware updates that seemed to cause many of us to perform a full reset and we all seemed to notice a difference in PQ. I believe this is what got us all asking, why? Right around that time I was digging in my Service Menu and noticed that there are hundreds of picture settings in there. Way more than what we see in the regular settings on the TV. My thoughts were that it was possible that some (not all) of these firmware updates, if they contain adjustments to those default Service Menu picture settings, it may require a full reset before the TV actually loads those new settings to the TV. The firmware update could possible be simply adjusting those settings in the default settings file, but not actually making them active. The full reset could cause the TV to reload the settings from that newly modified settings file and then changing those settings in the back end of the TV. That would explain why a full reset could make changes to PQ after the update, but only after a full reset. Couple of things:

1. As mentioned above, if the FW update is simply changing the values in the default settings file, but not actually loading that file as the active settings on the TV, a full reset would be required to activate and make use of those new default settings.

2. Why does the FW update not automatically load those new settings? I'm not sure, but it could be that Samsung decided that people that spent hundreds of dollars to have the TV professionally calibrated would not be very happy if a FW update required a new calibration because the update changed the starting point for settings and throws off the calibration.

I have been very busy with work, so I wasn't able to put a meter on my TV before and after the full reset, but I'll do it this weekend and will report my findings. I have not done the full reset yet on this firmware, so if there is a change I should see it. I honestly don't expect to see any change with the full reset this time around, so I'm not expecting to see anything major in the meter readings after a full reset. That does not mean that the full reset does not do what I've described above. If this latest firmware update did not have any changes to the Service Menu default settings, and I'm correct in my assumption above, then nothing will change after a full reset. The only time a difference will be seen is if those default Service Menu settings are changed in the FW update.

These things mentioned here are speculation on my part, but it's based on the fact that there were FW updates that clearly needed a full reset before the TV seemed to really react to it as far as PQ goes. I'm not talking about a few people saying it helped and most saying it didn't. I'm talking about the majority of people that were in this thread at that time noticed a clear improvement after the full reset compared to the FW update before the full reset. I also remember around that time we had a bunch of new owners that were complaining about bad PQ and they were usually asked to perform the full reset, which if I remember correct, got a very good response from those new owners as well.

This is all based on my findings and beliefs, which seemed to be backed by the majority around here at the time. That's what really started this whole discussion... the question, why? The bottom line is that in the past there were updates that seemed to act a lot different after the full reset. Me trying to make sense of it came up with a logical reason why, which I've explained here. If that's not correct, which it may very well not be, then I have no clue why those earlier FW updates reacted differently to the full reset as opposed to the FW update alone. For those that have an open mind and a general interest in this, I hope it helpsi
Edited by Jestered - 4/26/13 at 6:30am
post #14848 of 16125
Jestered, Thanks for taking the time to write such a excellent post.
Glenee
post #14849 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Glenee View Post

Jestered, Thanks for taking the time to write such a excellent post.
Glenee

+1, very clear and concise wink.gif

Jestered, it'll be interesting to see what you come up with, especially since 10k did a re-calibration after updating (correct me if I'm wrong, I've been trying to follow along), showed no discernible difference in his readings for this FW version compared to the last.
post #14850 of 16125
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Originally Posted by galonzo View Post

+1, very clear and concise wink.gif

Jestered, it'll be interesting to see what you come up with, especially since 10k did a re-calibration after updating (correct me if I'm wrong, I've been trying to follow along), showed no discernible difference in his readings for this FW version compared to the last.
Recalibrated before update then updated and checked for differences smile.gif
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