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post #15421 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Here's the difference between my calibrated settings without any RGB clipping in white (contrast=72) and the same settings with contrast=100. Extreme example perhaps, but clipping is definitely noticeable, not only in lost detail but also strange color balance. No idea why my iphone created so much moire in taking those pics....


:edit: I took these pics from my HTPC which is set up for HDMI 0-255RGB which means that WTW information has been clipped, in case anyone was thinking that all is being lost is WTW information, the picture on the left is all "rgb legal" levels.

And this is a perfect example of what I was just saying with the sweater. The sweater was much worse than that though with much more clipping. Even with enhancements off the lighting was obviously harsh, but there was still some detail to be seen - quite a bit really. With enhancements on all detail was lost.
post #15422 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Here's the difference between my calibrated settings without any RGB clipping in white (contrast=72) and the same settings with contrast=100. Extreme example perhaps, but clipping is definitely noticeable, not only in lost detail but also strange color balance. No idea why my iphone created so much moire in taking those pics....


:edit: I took these pics from my HTPC which is set up for HDMI 0-255RGB which means that WTW information has been clipped, in case anyone was thinking that all is being lost is WTW information, the picture on the left is all "rgb legal" levels.
I don't know if the es7500 just handles things differently but I was watching SYTYCD and paused on a dancer wearing a white shirt all wrinkled up. I moved the contrast between 72 and 100 and there was no white clipping at all. All the wrinkles and detail remained. Then saw a commercial with a white paint cloth on the floor and tried this again. No detail was lost on the paint cloth at 100 contrast.

Who knows, maybe I am just crazy.
post #15423 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I don't know if the es7500 just handles things differently but I was watching SYTYCD and paused on a dancer wearing a white shirt all wrinkled up. I moved the contrast between 72 and 100 and there was no white clipping at all. All the wrinkles and detail remained. Then saw a commercial with a white paint cloth on the floor and tried this again. No detail was lost on the paint cloth at 100 contrast.

Who knows, maybe I am just crazy.

I have an es7500 and can report the same. I used the THX iPhone app and the image used to test contrast had zero clipping all the way to 100.
post #15424 of 16125
FYI my pictures and comments were for Standard mode. Movie mode does not clip white at any setting for me.
post #15425 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

FYI my pictures and comments were for Standard mode. Movie mode does not clip white at any setting for me.
I am running in Standard mode and that is what I tested in.
post #15426 of 16125
Is there a way to turn off auto dimming in Standard mode? Guys, i forget as i think it was mentioned two to three hundred pages back...
post #15427 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Is there a way to turn off auto dimming in Standard mode? Guys, i forget as i think it was mentioned two to three hundred pages back...

there are two auto dimming modes in Standard.

There is the auto dimming when a completely black picture is shown. Backlight is turned off. This is however only done when brightness setting is 45 or lower. With setting 46 or higher, this auto dimming does not happen.

Then there is another auto dimming which takes place during dark scenes. Backlight is reduced. This auto dimming cannot be turned off, but can be minimized with special settings. I cannot remember the settings. Check the posts of users garnoch and prsut.
post #15428 of 16125
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

there are two auto dimming modes in Standard.

There is the auto dimming when a completely black picture is shown. Backlight is turned off. This is however only done when brightness setting is 45 or lower. With setting 46 or higher, this auto dimming does not happen.

Then there is another auto dimming which takes place during dark scenes. Backlight is reduced. This auto dimming cannot be turned off, but can be minimized with special settings. I cannot remember the settings. Check the posts of users garnoch and prsut.

Thanks Turboman123; i'm really trying to dial in standard to match movie mode color quality (and avoid flashligjhts though rare). I've got color squared away pretty well. I'm falling ever so slightly short in the deatil department ...it's subtle but Samsara tells me so... smile.gif i'd like to figure this out without the obvious bump in sharpness control.

Any other input about dimming reduction other than 46 0n Brightness is greatly appreciated.
post #15429 of 16125
Just hooked up my LED Bias lighting that I got from eBay. Under $15 for the whole kit with a dimmer remote. Comes with everything you need if you choose the option with all the accessories. Super easy to put on.





http://www.ebay.com/itm/310621089492?var=610178518766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
post #15430 of 16125
Thats good stuff Eric3316.
post #15431 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Thats good stuff Eric3316.
Thanks...I just got finished watching Argo blu-ray, and let me tell you with these lights who needs cinema black. It makes the bars and black levels appear inky black when you turn out the lights and put on the bias lighting. It was plasma like! Turn off the bias lighting in the dark and you can really see how horrible the black bars are night.

Totally recommend getting these lights if you enjoy watching TV at night or in the dark.
post #15432 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Just hooked up my LED Bias lighting that I got from eBay. Under $15 for the whole kit with a dimmer remote. Comes with everything you need if you choose the option with all the accessories. Super easy to put on.


That looks good Eric. Nice diffuse light. But I have a wall mounted panel, and I wonder how it would look on that. Does anyone have experience with a bias light on a wall mounted panel?
post #15433 of 16125
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

That looks good Eric. Nice diffuse light. But I have a wall mounted panel, and I wonder how it would look on that. Does anyone have experience with a bias light on a wall mounted panel?
Most people that I have seen with this actually have their TV wall mounted. I was worried it wouldn't work well because my panel wasn't wall mounted, lol. It actually looks great on wall mounted panels. It actually shapes the TV a little better then having it on a stand.

Here is a pic from the ST60 thread on a wall mount.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1450484/official-panasonic-tc-pxxst60-series-thread/5580#post_23384676
post #15434 of 16125
Bias lighting - Inspired LED. http://inspiredled.com/Shop-by-Project/accent-and-backlighting

I've been very happy with the results - - connectable (modifiable) "strips" with dimmer. I even had to take the lights off the set when I switched from the stand (on table) to a wall mount. (Put back on and the adhesive still works great!)

Definitely helps - - especially with 3D viewing. I mostly watch 2D and with the lights on plus bias lighting always on.
post #15435 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

And this is a perfect example of what I was just saying with the sweater. The sweater was much worse than that though with much more clipping. Even with enhancements off the lighting was obviously harsh, but there was still some detail to be seen - quite a bit really. With enhancements on all detail was lost.

Bolding added by me.

All I want to say is that I'm pleased there is someone out there studying "sweaters" on old Three's Company episodes. Joyce DeWitt or Suzanne Summers? Certainly not John Ritter or Norman Fell. Your head is in the right place, Eagle.
post #15436 of 16125
Some night time shots of my lighting. For those on the fence about these I say you must got for it! It is not something that just makes your TV look pretty but will improve your night time viewing experience literally like night and day. I also keep it on during the day though : )

Below are some things I took off the web that bias lighting is known to improve.

'With bias lighting, the perception of contrast actually improves, so your blacks will look, well...blacker. It gives the picture more ‘pop’ without looking unnatural.'

1. Reduces or eliminates eye strain and viewing fatigue in dark viewing conditions.
2. Eliminates image contamination due to reflections, haze and glare on the screen from conventional room lighting.
3. Enhances perceived black levels, contrast ratio, and picture detail by enabling dark adapted viewing.
4. Preserves correct color perception of the video image by the viewer.



post #15437 of 16125
That is pretty cool, but it seems a bit bright. Is it distracting at all? Especially if any light is escaping and reflecting on surfaces around the room?

I think my to-do list just picked up another item smile.gif
post #15438 of 16125
I'm so furious...my 3yr daughter threw a dinky car at my son and missed and guess what she hit though. Yep, spider web cracking from the point of impact at the lower right corner on my 7500. The TV is gone....I get so mad thinking about it every time I sit down now and look at my old TV (Samsung DLP) now. That TV was beautiful. I really miss the picture now.

Any advice on what to do? Will they honour a warranty? I bought it the week before boxing day so less then a 6 months old. I want to cry.
post #15439 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Scorponox View Post

I'm so furious...my 3yr daughter threw a dinky car at my son and missed and guess what she hit though. Yep, spider web cracking from the point of impact at the lower right corner on my 7500. The TV is gone....I get so mad thinking about it every time I sit down now and look at my old TV (Samsung DLP) now. That TV was beautiful. I really miss the picture now.

Any advice on what to do? Will they honour a warranty? I bought it the week before boxing day so less then a 6 months old. I want to cry.

Ouch! I feel for you. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if you had purchased it yesterday, the factory warranty doesn't cover accidental abuse, which is what that's considered. If you purchased it with a credit card you might check and see if there's any type of coverage there. I know with AMEX they offer warranty for theft and other things that aren't included in the factory warranty as long as you purchased with their card. Not sure if that helps you or not.
post #15440 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

That is pretty cool, but it seems a bit bright. Is it distracting at all? Especially if any light is escaping and reflecting on surfaces around the room?

I think my to-do list just picked up another item smile.gif
Good thing is that it comes with a dimming remote. I have it set at 75% and to me this is perfect for nightime. 100% during the day works well but that was a little bright at night. There are also buttons on the remote for 50% and 25% and if those don't tune in perfect for you there are even up and down buttons to raise and lower the brightness in steps. Also realize these pictures were taken with a cell camera in a darkened environment so not really the best representation. Let's put it this way, there is not way you would be dissapointed with this. It makes my es7500 feel like a whole other TV at night and has stopped me from looking at flaws found while watching the dark.

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Originally Posted by Scorponox View Post

I'm so furious...my 3yr daughter threw a dinky car at my son and missed and guess what she hit though. Yep, spider web cracking from the point of impact at the lower right corner on my 7500. The TV is gone....I get so mad thinking about it every time I sit down now and look at my old TV (Samsung DLP) now. That TV was beautiful. I really miss the picture now.

Any advice on what to do? Will they honour a warranty? I bought it the week before boxing day so less then a 6 months old. I want to cry.
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

That is pretty cool, but it seems a bit bright. Is it distracting at all? Especially if any light is escaping and reflecting on surfaces around the room?

I think my to-do list just picked up another item smile.gif
Uh! This is what makes me nervous everyday with my almost 3 year old son.....
Edited by eric3316 - 6/10/13 at 6:41am
post #15441 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Scorponox View Post

I'm so furious...my 3yr daughter threw a dinky car at my son and missed and guess what she hit though. Yep, spider web cracking from the point of impact at the lower right corner on my 7500. The TV is gone....I get so mad thinking about it every time I sit down now and look at my old TV (Samsung DLP) now. That TV was beautiful. I really miss the picture now.

Any advice on what to do? Will they honour a warranty? I bought it the week before boxing day so less then a 6 months old. I want to cry.[/quote
I feel you pain, but unless you have some outside protection such as the Credit Card above you are just going to have to DADDY UP. Get that Credit Card out and go get a new TV. This won't be the last thing the Kids destroy. Wait till they start Driving. Your Mom and Dad covered your Ass Now it's Your turn.
You and your Daughter will have a Laff about this later in Life.
post #15442 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

Some night time shots of my lighting. For those on the fence about these I say you must got for it! It is not something that just makes your TV look pretty but will improve your night time viewing experience literally like night and day. I also keep it on during the day though : )

Looks sweet. I have been thinking about doing this, not sure if the lady will make too much fun of me though :P Your light seems a little bright to me, and also maybe the wrong shade of white, can you dim/change the color?
post #15443 of 16125
An update for anyone looking for a swivel stand in the future. I returned the first one I had, as I found a smaller size that fits the ES8000 like a glove, and its only $20!

http://www.amazon.com/Convenience-Concepts-151305-32-Inch-60-Pounds/dp/B004CYE3PS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1370880034&sr=8-6

Change the toggle to the smaller size stand.





post #15444 of 16125
While we're talking about lighting, has anyone considered putting together one of these ambilight type setups?

http://learn.adafruit.com/adalight-diy-ambient-tv-lighting/overview

Looks interesting, but honestly I can't decide if it would be cool or very annoying.
post #15445 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

While we're talking about lighting, has anyone considered putting together one of these ambilight type setups?

http://learn.adafruit.com/adalight-diy-ambient-tv-lighting/overview

Looks interesting, but honestly I can't decide if it would be cool or very annoying.

Id vote for cool at first, annoying long term. Might be fun for certain content, but for movies I think it would drive me nuts.
post #15446 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Looks sweet. I have been thinking about doing this, not sure if the lady will make too much fun of me though :P Your light seems a little bright to me, and also maybe the wrong shade of white, can you dim/change the color?
Yes, it comes with a dimmer remote. That picture was taken with it at 75%. The night before I watched with it set at 50% but think I liked it a little brighter.

I think someone in the ST60 thread tested it at 6400k. My camera alters the color and brightness a lot so you really can't go by my picture. My room is not actually that dark with the TV and bias lighting on.

My wife also thinks I am crazy. Last night I turned off the bias lighting on a black screen with credits to show her the difference. She definitely agreed that there was a difference with it on and off but she thinks I am crazy to care about that. At least I was able to prove the difference though. Makes me feel a little less crazy. What a difference it made on a letterbox movie. You can actually enjoy it like there are no visible bars there.
Edited by eric3316 - 6/10/13 at 9:15am
post #15447 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

An update for anyone looking for a swivel stand in the future. I returned the first one I had, as I found a smaller size that fits the ES8000 like a glove, and its only $20!

http://www.amazon.com/Convenience-Concepts-151305-32-Inch-60-Pounds/dp/B004CYE3PS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1370880034&sr=8-6

Change the toggle to the smaller size stand.






Can you upload an image showing how close the back of the tv stand is to the edge of the swivel board? Do you think there is any chance of the TV being tipped over?
post #15448 of 16125
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Originally Posted by cbatc View Post

Can you upload an image showing how close the back of the tv stand is to the edge of the swivel board? Do you think there is any chance of the TV being tipped over?



Very solid on the stand.
post #15449 of 16125
I was wondering but could not find anything on this LED on this forum. Un75es9000fxza? It wasn't on the Samsung website or 9000 series. I saw this at BB. Good panel?
post #15450 of 16125
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Originally Posted by ser182 View Post

I was wondering but could not find anything on this LED on this forum. Un75es9000fxza? It wasn't on the Samsung website or 9000 series. I saw this at BB. Good panel?
I think it is just a 75" version of the es8000 but maybe someone else can confirm.
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