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post #15481 of 16125
you think ppl will buy the kits in canada for 350$ cdn ? + 13% tax? = $395.50 lol........NOWAY, that's robbery.
Will try the price match on cost central with ncix, I doubt BB will price match that.
post #15482 of 16125
Changing Movie mode gain in the Service menu

My main problem with the ES8000 is the clouding. For that reason I try to maximize the contrast ratio of the set, and reduce the backlight to a level that is appropriate for the room brightness. The limit for the maximum contrast setting is different for Movie picture mode and Standard picture mode.
In Standard picture mode, the panel starts clipping when the Contrast setting is higher than about 80. This then affects greyscale and gamma at light output IRE 90 or 100.
In Movie mode, I have no clipping even when setting Contrast to 100 and White Balance Gain to a max level (keeping white balance correct).
Generally, this has been the experience of other people as well in this thread.

So the ES8000 has internally a gain setting which is different for Movie mode and Standard mode, and the Movie mode has a lower gain which is safer to avoid clipping.
However, I like the Movie mode, because of the 10p white balance capability. My question now is: is there a "gain" or contrast limit setting in the service menu? If yes, I would be interested to increase it in order to increase contrast ratio.
I do not know how to access the service menu, and I know that other people said that it is risky to use it in case a wrong setting is made.

My question to those users that can access the service menu: can you please check if there is an internal gain or contrast setting?
post #15483 of 16125
It looks like there are white balance items in the service menu. See section 4.4 https://skydrive.live.com/embed?cid=59BA0779FF8B0E8F&resid=59BA0779FF8B0E8F!118&authkey=ANTqtPFOE-U4TvA&em=2

Also look in the table on section 4 page 14. There are seperate presets for movie mode white balance.
Edited by 10k - 6/16/13 at 8:29pm
post #15484 of 16125
On my es7500, when running the Disney WOW disc in standard mode it shows my contrast being okay at 100. Is there any other way to test without professional equipment if it is in fact okay on the es7500 at 100 and these model actually handles standard mode differently then the es8000.

Also, if you can push the contrast to 100 without clipping is there any reason not to set it that high? Do you generally want to have your contrast as high as it can go without clipping the whites or would there be other factors to lower it?
post #15485 of 16125
I have a few movies that show a lot of video grain. I have messed with the 2 digital noise filters in the options menu but this had no effect. The 2 movies i'm talking about are Cloud Atlas and A Good Day To Die Hard. Any other suggestions
post #15486 of 16125
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Originally Posted by MelonSplitter View Post

I have a few movies that show a lot of video grain. I have messed with the 2 digital noise filters in the options menu but this had no effect. The 2 movies i'm talking about are Cloud Atlas and A Good Day To Die Hard. Any other suggestions
Have you tried it on another TV? Sometimes the films were recorded like that. If it was the TV then you would get that consistantly in everything.
post #15487 of 16125
How do you guys feel the pq on the es8000 and es7500 compare to a plasma? These Samsung models are pretty much the top of the line LED's before reaching a full array LED. I know everyone says that an edge lit LED cannot hold a candle to a plasma but I almost feel like my es7500 is very plasma like. Colors are realistic and nicely saturated, it has great pop and everything is nice and sharp. Motion is not an issue on this TV either.

After owning an ST60 a little while ago I don't feel myself looking at me es7500 and thinking that I really downgraded in pq. Maybe it is just wishful thinking and I don't remember how good my ST60 really was. Curious what others think.

Of course the viewing angle is a whole other story. lol

I really am trying to convince myself I do not need to go back to a plasma and if I did I am not going to be as impressed with it after owning the es7500 and will just regret it because of the reason I initially switched which was IR.
post #15488 of 16125
Black level, viewing angle, and display uniformity are very poor in comparison to plasma.
Motion resolution/blurring is slightly but noticeably worse than plasma.
Brightness and total lack of buzzing superior compared to plasma, to the point that I think plasma is nearly unusable in a room with open windows during the day.
Colors are equal.

I've looked at the VT50 and previously owned a Panasonic G25.

:edit: I think if your TV is in a windowless room with the lights off (and a mythical non buzzing set), it is probably plasma every time. For every other viewing setup though LED has a considerable edge over plasma's shortcomings.
post #15489 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Black level, viewing angle, and display uniformity are very poor in comparison to plasma.
Motion resolution/blurring is slightly but noticeably worse than plasma.
Brightness and total lack of buzzing superior compared to plasma, to the point that I think plasma is nearly unusable in a room with open windows during the day.
Colors are equal.

I've looked at the VT50 and previously owned a Panasonic G25.

:edit: I think if your TV is in a windowless room with the lights off (and a mythical non buzzing set), it is probably plasma every time. For every other viewing setup though LED has a considerable edge over plasma's shortcomings.
So in daytime viewing, the blacks on this TV pretty much look like the lights are off. At night while using a bias lighting kit the blacks again look like the lights are completely off on the blacks. With any lighting you cannot see any screen uniformity issues. I think you can tell when there is absolutely no lights on in a room looking at black screen. That is when you can see the uniformity issues. But if you cannot see it does that really count towards anything?

What about color saturation. Do you think colors are deep and saturated like a plasma? Also, why do these LEDs claim these outrages contrast ratios but for some reason they say the contrast on a plasma still bests it.
post #15490 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

So in daytime viewing, the blacks on this TV pretty much look like the lights are off. At night while using a bias lighting kit the blacks again look like the lights are completely off on the blacks. With any lighting you cannot see any screen uniformity issues. I think you can tell when there is absolutely no lights on in a room looking at black screen. That is when you can see the uniformity issues. But if you cannot see it does that really count towards anything?

What about color saturation. Do you think colors are deep and saturated like a plasma? Also, why do these LEDs claim these outrages contrast ratios but for some reason they say the contrast on a plasma still bests it.

Sounds like someone has a case of buyers remorse... I've been there don't start down that rabbit hole... you have a great TV... don't stress about what could have been.

Unless of course we're talking 4k smile.gif
post #15491 of 16125
The outragiously high contrast ratios quoted on the LED sets are "dynamic contrast ratios". I'm not sure how that's measured but it's different than the standard contrast ratio. All the plasma vs LED trash flame has been in this thread before. Basically it comes down to where you use the set and how your eyes are pleased by the set, and how you have adjusted the set. Until I got this TV I didn't know you could adjust that stuff. I used to adjust the red/green/blue tubes on my 42" 1995 rear projection though. I was high tech!
post #15492 of 16125
Eric, Digimat is right; enjoy your purchase and dont go into remorseville.

10k is probably right but i say it this way; in a dark room imho only the very best plasmas are superior to the es8000.

I shopped extensively one year ago (after being predisposed to thinking i was going to get a panny plasma)and put my cash into the es8000 and never looked back.

Love it more now than ever, still feels new to me!
post #15493 of 16125
Right, look through my post history. I bought this set because at the time it was the best overall solution for me. That doesn't mean that certain specific situations wouldn't favor other technologies.

I am supremely satisfied with the es8000, and wouldn't purchase a different set if I had to do it all over again. Maybe an f8000 smile.gif
post #15494 of 16125
Bump. This is too big of a thread to let fall to page 2. This site has too many forums IMO, but let's keep posting here.
post #15495 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Bump. This is too big of a thread to let fall to page 2. This site has too many forums IMO, but let's keep posting here.
Unfortunately we are last years news,out of date SO 2012 biggrin.gif
post #15496 of 16125
Nothing really left to report on, or about. Still enjoying my 65". Nearing its one year anniversary in July.
Edited by Op's Guy - 6/19/13 at 12:43pm
post #15497 of 16125
Yup, one amazing and perfect year with easily the best tv i ever owned.

No interest in Evo yet...
post #15498 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

Yup, one amazing and perfect year with easily the best tv i ever owned.

No interest in Evo yet...
Same here,although this is only my 6 month anniversary. I'm soooo in love! lol
post #15499 of 16125
That's right MelonSplitter...as they say over in LG land...."life's good"
post #15500 of 16125
My Evo due to arrive today. Our kitchen remodel is about done, the Sammy is back in the LR looking good. I just hope that Evo connects easily and doesn't throw me any curveballs.
post #15501 of 16125
Good luck with it
post #15502 of 16125
As much as I would love to use Movie mode it is so unfortunate they do not give us the option to turn on micro dimming with it. The difference on a black screen in a darkened room with standard mode and movie mode is huge. A black screen is barley black when in movie mode in a dark room and clouding is evident. Flick it on standard mode and the screen just blackens beautifully.

It also looks like micro dimming is active on Vivid and Natural mode but unfortunetly those modes offer even less tweaking options so not really much help. I really think this is the biggest downfall to the es7500 and es8000. Not being able to run the thing in movie mode where the most user settings are available.

You spend all this money for a feature that improves blacks and screen uniformity but cannot use it in a mode that gives you the most user settings. What a shame!
post #15503 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

As much as I would love to use Movie mode it is so unfortunate they do not give us the option to turn on micro dimming with it. The difference on a black screen in a darkened room with standard mode and movie mode is huge. A black screen is barley black when in movie mode in a dark room and clouding is evident. Flick it on standard mode and the screen just blackens beautifully.

It also looks like micro dimming is active on Vivid and Natural mode but unfortunetly those modes offer even less tweaking options so not really much help. I really think this is the biggest downfall to the es7500 and es8000. Not being able to run the thing in movie mode where the most user settings are available.

You spend all this money for a feature that improves blacks and screen uniformity but cannot use it in a mode that gives you the most user settings. What a shame!

Most of us who have tried to get into movie mode end up back at Standard for the above reasons.
post #15504 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Most of us who have tried to get into movie mode end up back at Standard for the above reasons.
Yeah, there is no way I can watch in movie mode anymore but that is a real shame and terrible move by Samsung. At least give us an on/off option for it in movie mode. If I wanted a LED without dimming I would have bought a cheap TV!
post #15505 of 16125
The "Black Enhancer" enables CE dimming to a degree in Movie mode. It definitely helps but isn't as effective as Standard mode for eliminating clouding/flashlighting etc.
post #15506 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

The "Black Enhancer" enables CE dimming to a degree in Movie mode. It definitely helps but isn't as effective as Standard mode for eliminating clouding/flashlighting etc.

I found black enhancer to be much more sluggish with the dimming, which in turn made it much more obvious/annoying.
post #15507 of 16125
I'm surprised at the comments about the "Movie Mode" and how unwatchable it is.

That's all I watch anymore - - and the blacks are fantastic - - inky black with no clouding. The only clouding I get is when there is no picture - - transition between scenes and at startup (the infamous "V") but that's it.

I'm on Auto Color - - so I haven't changed any of the settings, "Custom" wise. I also use the Darblet, but I still had great blacks in Movie Mode before the Darbee. I have the 65" ES8000, so maybe everything isn't apples to apples.

I can't watch "Standard" anymore since it really crushes everything - - and this is from a guy who watched nothing BUT "Standard" before a firmware release back in November of 2012 or so. I'm kind of puzzled as to why other folks aren't getting the same results.
post #15508 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I'm surprised at the comments about the "Movie Mode" and how unwatchable it is.

That's all I watch anymore - - and the blacks are fantastic - - inky black with no clouding. The only clouding I get is when there is no picture - - transition between scenes and at startup (the infamous "V") but that's it.

I'm on Auto Color - - so I haven't changed any of the settings, "Custom" wise. I also use the Darblet, but I still had great blacks in Movie Mode before the Darbee. I have the 65" ES8000, so maybe everything isn't apples to apples.

I can't watch "Standard" anymore since it really crushes everything - - and this is from a guy who watched nothing BUT "Standard" before a firmware release back in November of 2012 or so. I'm kind of puzzled as to why other folks aren't getting the same results.
I hate seeing clouding on all black scenes or anything that is mostly black. In the daytime hours it is not bad but in the dark it really is not fun to look at. I would rather crush some blacks which I really don't know if I can tell the difference unless I had something to compare it to then deal with looking at clouding on my screen.
post #15509 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eric3316 View Post

I hate seeing clouding on all black scenes or anything that is mostly black. In the daytime hours it is not bad but in the dark it really is not fun to look at. I would rather crush some blacks which I really don't know if I can tell the difference unless I had something to compare it to then deal with looking at clouding on my screen.

Understood. I don't get any clouding on any black scenes - - only on start-up and transition if there is no signal (or real slow movement of the picture.) I'm probably not explaining myself well - - it's kind of hard to describe. Out of curiosity - - when you used "Movie Mode" - - are you using "Custom" settings? (Not "Auto" - for example?)
post #15510 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Understood. I don't get any clouding on any black scenes - - only on start-up and transition if there is no signal (or real slow movement of the picture.) I'm probably not explaining myself well - - it's kind of hard to describe. Out of curiosity - - when you used "Movie Mode" - - are you using "Custom" settings? (Not "Auto" - for example?)
Yes, custom. I think standard looks great but I am sure movie would look even better.
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