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Originally Posted by marky12 View Post

Hi, my cousin purchased the un60es8000 a little over a year ago and now it won't turn on. All it does is click. It is out of warranty. Does any one know if it's worth fixing and how much it would cost.?

Also, if your cousin registered the TV with Samsung he would have received I think 3 more months of warranty. That could be huge because it could mean that it's actually still under warranty.
post #16052 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thl0103 View Post


Same thing started happening to my set purchased in April 2013, repair guy is coming in 3 days.
I read horror stories about these issues on Samsung TVs, I hope new board will resolve the issue for good.

It's the ribbon cable that connects the two boards. They were recalled due to a defect. There is a service bulletin out on this.
post #16053 of 16125
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Originally Posted by sterlingma1 View Post

It's the ribbon cable that connects the two boards. They were recalled due to a defect. There is a service bulletin out on this.

Can you point me to the service bulletin? Thanks
post #16054 of 16125
The service guy that fixed mine told me they had received it.
post #16055 of 16125
@nikon5400

after 6 months of use (40ES8090) I had the same problem as you. the only solution was to call the service. they changed my wi-fi card. then everything is perfect. I hope to help my information.
post #16056 of 16125
FW 1054.4 ?? Any issues ?
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you guys, i am reading up on the HCFR software calibration guide. and i got through 85% of the guide without a problem. but the last part about Color Management System (CMS) had me confused. where can i find this CMS on our TV? is it the same as Color Space setting where you change RGB, CMY individually?
post #16058 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

you guys, i am reading up on the HCFR software calibration guide. and i got through 85% of the guide without a problem. but the last part about Color Management System (CMS) had me confused. where can i find this CMS on our TV? is it the same as Color Space setting where you change RGB, CMY individually?
Yes, it is, CMS stands for "colorspace management system". There is a thread in the calibration forum which is a guide to CMS calibration. You might want to read that as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/852536/basic-guide-to-color-calibration-using-a-cms-updated-and-enhanced
post #16059 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

Yes, it is, CMS stands for "colorspace management system". There is a thread in the calibration forum which is a guide to CMS calibration. You might want to read that as well.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/852536/basic-guide-to-color-calibration-using-a-cms-updated-and-enhanced

OMG. just when i thought i was done with reading, a lot more to go. lol

thanks, i'll have to give that a throughal read. i think i was able to keep up with the HCFR guide pretty well all the way up until the CMS section, which confused me. so it is saying that if you have CMS control on your TV, you don't have to use the Tint and Saturation? or is it saying that if you have CMS capability, you use Tint, Saturation, and CMS. i was confused about that.

also, this might be a dumb question, since i've only calibrated monitors before, and never TV. wouldn't it be easier, since if our TV's are connected to HTPC and playback from an HTPC, wouldn't it be easier to just install the Xrite/Spyder software on the HTPC and let the program itself do the calibration and let the video card driver do the work and create a color profile that loads everytime you boot up. it just seems might be easier than doing it manually by punching in the buttons on the remote and in different TV menus. as long as the backlight and contrast level is to the user's liking, and don't clip, wouldn't that be easier? sorry for the dumb question, again, i've never calibrated TV's before.
post #16060 of 16125
what colormeter do most folks here have. the Colormunki Display? or do most of you spend the big bucks on i1Display Pro? i've heard that both use the exact same sensor only differ in software, and the Colormunki measures slower than i1D pro, since they inherently and purposely crippled the speed at the production level to match the price point.

if i am just going to use HCFR, there really isn't any reason to NOT get the Colormunki Display right?
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bump.... nobody?
post #16062 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

bump.... nobody?

The ColorMunki Display is exactly the same meter as the i1D Pro. The only difference is the firmware makes it slightly slower in its meter readings. It is not at all "too" slow though, so it's not like it really hurts the meter. And it's really only slightly slowed down at the darker screen readings. I have the CM and love it! Def no reason for me to get the other just because it's slightly faster. The CM is plenty fast enough.
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Also, add the fact that you're just now learning this process... Trust me. The meter is going to be waiting on you. Not the other way around.
post #16064 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

Also, add the fact that you're just now learning this process... Trust me. The meter is going to be waiting on you. Not the other way around.

awesome. i was waiting on someone to chime in. i just placed an order for a colormunki and plan on using it with HCFR.

could you chime in on my other post as well. thanks
post #16065 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

awesome. i was waiting on someone to chime in. i just placed an order for a colormunki and plan on using it with HCFR.

could you chime in on my other post as well. thanks

If you're talking about the question about the color and tint controls when calibrating, then, no, you don't need to adjust those if you have CMS to calibrate the colors. Those are only for TVs that don't have a CMS, or for people that don't have a meter to calibrate the colors in their CMS. The color and tint is for setting one primary and that primary's secondary counterpart. If you're calibrating using CMS, you're doing that there and don't need to mess with the color and tint settings.
post #16066 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

If you're talking about the question about the color and tint controls when calibrating, then, no, you don't need to adjust those if you have CMS to calibrate the colors. Those are only for TVs that don't have a CMS, or for people that don't have a meter to calibrate the colors in their CMS. The color and tint is for setting one primary and that primary's secondary counterpart. If you're calibrating using CMS, you're doing that there and don't need to mess with the color and tint settings.

awesome. thank you.

do you use HCFR by any chance? i wonder if you can calibrate the colors by doing live reading and adjust the CMS controls to the targeted xy values for each primary color. or do people use the take the 100 IRE white reading and divide that by the percentage of the primary color.
post #16067 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

awesome. thank you.

do you use HCFR by any chance? i wonder if you can calibrate the colors by doing live reading and adjust the CMS controls to the targeted xy values for each primary color. or do people use the take the 100 IRE white reading and divide that by the percentage of the primary color.

If you look at my signature you'll see that I use HCFR with the ColorMunki. You can/should use live readings when calibrating the CMS. I think we all have our own way of doing all this calibration, which differs from person to person, but they're all pretty similar. Pay close attention to anything that 10k tells you. That guy knows his stuff!
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yes sir!. yeah. i read quite a few of his posts and he defnintely seems like knows his ****.

btw, 10K, why did you recommend using Fields and not APL's, wouldn't Fields mess up the gamma reading in standard mode?

also would you recommend calibrating the grey scale using 10% IRE increments like it says in the original guide, or would you recommend using 5% increments.
post #16069 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

yes sir!. yeah. i read quite a few of his posts and he defnintely seems like knows his ****.

btw, 10K, why did you recommend using Fields and not APL's, wouldn't Fields mess up the gamma reading in standard mode?

also would you recommend calibrating the grey scale using 10% IRE increments like it says in the original guide, or would you recommend using 5% increments.

I believe you're dealing with a 10pt white balance, so you'll need to calibrate using the 10% increment scale (10% to 100%).
post #16070 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

yes sir!. yeah. i read quite a few of his posts and he defnintely seems like knows his ****.

btw, 10K, why did you recommend using Fields and not APL's, wouldn't Fields mess up the gamma reading in standard mode?

also would you recommend calibrating the grey scale using 10% IRE increments like it says in the original guide, or would you recommend using 5% increments.
i did some testing in the bottom half of this post - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1393853/hcfr-open-source-projector-and-display-calibration-software/2940#post_24206797
The only difference between the two methods was 0.1 gamma.
post #16071 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Jestered View Post

I believe you're dealing with a 10pt white balance, so you'll need to calibrate using the 10% increment scale (10% to 100%).

i'll be using Standard mode, so only the regular white balance, not 10pt.

would you still recommend using 10% increment for gray scale measurement?

also, just out of curiosity, the 10 pt white balance on our tv, the 1~10, 1 is 10% IRE and 10 is 100% IRE right?
post #16072 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

i did some testing in the bottom half of this post - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1393853/hcfr-open-source-projector-and-display-calibration-software/2940#post_24206797
The only difference between the two methods was 0.1 gamma.

thanks 10K i'll use the fields.
post #16073 of 16125
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

i'll be using Standard mode, so only the regular white balance, not 10pt.

would you still recommend using 10% increment for gray scale measurement?

also, just out of curiosity, the 10 pt white balance on our tv, the 1~10, 1 is 10% IRE and 10 is 100% IRE right?

If you're using Standard mode, and cannot adjust 10pt WB, then there's really no need to worry about the gray scale measurement, because you can't change it. You can still run the meter measurements for the scale, but you won't be able to adjust it.

I believe it's 0%-100% in 10% increments. It's been awhile since I've calibrated my TV, so I don't remember exactly, but I'm fairly certain that it starts at 0%.
post #16074 of 16125
Hey you guys, i got the meter today, thanks to amazon that got here in a day. i wasn't expecting that.

anyway, here's my first attempt at calibrating the standard mode using the regular white balance (2 pt).









i accidentally deleted the BEFORE reading. so here is the AFTER. but the BEFORE was pretty bad, it was something like 10~20 Delta E.

but as you can see, i got it down to less than 3 Delta E, i was pretty proud of myself for being the first try.

one thing i am confused tho, the CIE gamma. i followed the HCFR's instruction and adjusted the CMS so all the primary and secondary colors line up as best as i could. but i used the same meter to calibrate my workstation apple monitor, everything well fine with the Xrite software calibration, but i ran HCFR and measured my monitor (not the tv), and the CIE graph shows that my primary colors and some secondary colors did not get lined up by the software to be within the reference boxes. i know that sRGB and REC 709 are suppose to be the same in terms of CIE gamma, but this makes me wonder, wouldn't it be better to have all the primary colors outside of the box? because earlier today when i was calibrating the TV, when i got to the CIE graph and CMS section, i remember HCFR measured my TV's GREEN and RED were beyond the reference box, but i followed the instruction in the HCFR guide and moved those color points to be within the reference box. i just don't know what to trust.
post #16075 of 16125
10K,

1. how did you get your blue to line up so perfectly to the reference point in standard mode. i can't for the life of me get it to line up in standard mode.

2. also, how did you calibrate those 50% and 75% primary and secondary colors, since standard mode only has 2pt white balance adustment.

3. and lastly, do you think it's worth it for me to do a software profile calibration on top of what i currently just did with HCFR calibration? since my setup is connected to the HTPC, i could theoretically install the xrite profiler and setup a software ICC profile on top of what i already have now with the HCFR calibration.
post #16076 of 16125
1 - do you mean gamut or white balance? For gamut I just did a number of different readings and re-readings etc and settled on whatever gave me the lowest avg dE across 0%-100% saturation readings. My 100% blue dE is 1.7
2 - White balance does nothing when calibrating colors, it's only for white balance and gamma. For 50% and 75% readings I calibrated CMS specifically to those targets, and then took an average of the best 75% readings and the best 100% calibrated readings and then re-read everything to make sure everything had lowest overall average dE.
3 - Yes definitely, although you cannot use ICC profile. ICC profile support is determined on a per application basis and no video apps recognise or support it. You will have to use a player that supports madVR and create a 3dlut. See the madvr argyllcms post in the calibration forum. I did it and got great results.
post #16077 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

1 - do you mean gamut or white balance? For gamut I just did a number of different readings and re-readings etc and settled on whatever gave me the lowest avg dE across 0%-100% saturation readings. My 100% blue dE is 1.7
2 - White balance does nothing when calibrating colors, it's only for white balance and gamma. For 50% and 75% readings I calibrated CMS specifically to those targets, and then took an average of the best 75% readings and the best 100% calibrated readings and then re-read everything to make sure everything had lowest overall average dE.
3 - Yes definitely, although you cannot use ICC profile. ICC profile support is determined on a per application basis and no video apps recognise or support it. You will have to use a player that supports madVR and create a 3dlut. See the madvr argyllcms post in the calibration forum. I did it and got great results.

sorry, i meant how did you get the blue primary color on the CIE to line up so perfectly. if all you did was CMS on the tv, then i guess you won the panel lottery. as mine, and few others i've seen on this thread (now that looking back at a lot of pictures posted), most could not get Blue primary to line up as well as yours. provided we're all talking about standard mode.

that's very interesting, i'll have to look into that madVR thread some more.

lastly, do you think it's necessary to run a test on 0~100% IRE for all the primary and secondary colors? is it enough to calibrate just the 100% primary/secondary using CMS?
post #16078 of 16125
good news guys, i was able to improve my results by doing some more fine tunning. i was able to bring the previous gray scale overal delta from less than 3 down to less than 2. and was able to flatten out the gamma curve some more.

here are the results.






post #16079 of 16125
You might want to think about adjusting Green in your CMS, what is your dE for 75% saturation? You might be able to get better average for all shades of green if you sacrifice some accuracy at 100%. You can look at where I came out in the charts I posted in the link in my signature.

Looks good otherwise.
post #16080 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 10k View Post

You might want to think about adjusting Green in your CMS, what is your dE for 75% saturation? You might be able to get better average for all shades of green if you sacrifice some accuracy at 100%. You can look at where I came out in the charts I posted in the link in my signature.

Looks good otherwise.

that's the thing, i couldn't for the life of me get green any better. if i move the 75% closer to reference, 100% goes way off the chart to the right and goes way below the REC 709 triangle. if i bump the 100% back to the left, 75% goes right back to the edge of the REC 709 triangle. my current 75% green dE is 2.7.

for every other colors i could pretty much find a good compromise.
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