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post #1951 of 15334
7/24/12 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Got it mounted and running. Setup was a breeze. Out of the box settings in standard mode. Looks good so far. Tweaks starts tomorrow, or after the wife quits playing with it.

If nothing else can be said about this set, it is definitely one of the most aesthetically appealing displays I've ever seen.
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post #1952 of 15334
7/24/12 at 10:30pm
Okay I tried some things tonight. I set both my FIOS and blu-ray inputs to standard instead of movie, and used CNET's settings to start. I then put in my AVS disc and made some basic adjustments from there for black level and white level. I also dropped my color saturation down because I'm not a fan of overly-saturated images. After everything was set as close as I could get it (using a backlight of 9), I started surfing to see how things looked. I will say that right away, the blacks looked much, much darker. Really darker than I have seen before on this set. Everything just seemed to have more "pop", yet not blown-out. I was quite impressed. I kept switching back and forth between movie and standard, and standard looked rather murky and muddy compared to standard mode, even though that mode was also using CNET's settings for a basis and then adjusted using the AVS disc.

But, I then noticed something that really caught my eye - the end credits were rolling for a film, and the credits were displayed a few at a time rather than scrolling, which allowed time to see the image as though it was on pause. I then happened to hit the info button on my remote, which pops up a bar along the bottom with channel and program info - and the instant the bar popped up, the entire rest of the screen popped up in brightness considerably - enough that the white text on the pure black background suddenly became considerably brighter - and when the bar went away, the text immediately dimmed again, causing the white text to look murky and dim compared to how white and bright it was just seconds ago when the bar was on-screen. I tried this several times, with different text and small logos on a black screen - and every time, popping up the info bar on the bottom caused a major brightness boost, resulting in much brighter, nicer text and logos.

So what is going on here? Is this the auto-dimming "feature" that I'm seeing? If so, I'm not impressed with it. It seems to dim or brighten the screen based on what else is on the screen at the same time. If it's mostly a black screen with some small logos or text, then it seems to dim the screen. Why? I want the text to look white and bright like it should, not dimmed. There seems to be no way to disable this, since everything superfluous is already disabled. So then I tried the same experiment in movie mode, and sure enough, that doesn't happen in movie mode - the screen remains the same exact brightness, regardless of what else is on screen. If I pull up the FiOS bar, it has zero effect on the brightness of the screen. It remains just as bright as before the bar appears. But, like I said, movie mode just looks muddy in general after seeing standard mode.

So - it appears right now I have 2 choices:

- use movie mode, and enjoy a stable picture, but one that is somewhat muddy and lifeless compared to standard mode, or

- use standard mode, and enjoy a picture with much more "pop", with what appears to be deeper blacks and whiter whites, but that seems to have some sort of auto-dimming "feature" that seems to negatively affect the image depending on what is on screen.

Is there any mode right now that I can use which gives me the image quality of standard but without the stupid auto-dimming "feature"? Why can't we have control over the auto-dimming? Why is it enabled for standard and disabled for movie and we have no control over it? Very frustrated here, because suddenly, it seems like this tv is forcing me to make choices I don't want to make. Why would auto-dimming be a good thing, when it took only minutes for me to notice it substantially dimming credits in a film?
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post #1953 of 15334
7/25/12 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by badwilly View Post

Ok, I need some advise from you experts. I had the TV set to a picture mode of 16 by 9. I also had my Dish Box set the same. However, I noticed some text not showing up on the bottom of the TV. By setting the TV to the picture mode 'Screen Fit', all looked good. Why would I need to do that when both matched? I'm sure the Denon AVR-A100 wasn't doing upconverting since it was 1080i coming in.

Always use screen fit.

16x9 will always clip data.
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post #1954 of 15334
7/25/12 at 3:38am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Okay I tried some things tonight. I set both my FIOS and blu-ray inputs to standard instead of movie, and used CNET's settings to start. I then put in my AVS disc and made some basic adjustments from there for black level and white level. I also dropped my color saturation down because I'm not a fan of overly-saturated images. After everything was set as close as I could get it (using a backlight of 9), I started surfing to see how things looked. I will say that right away, the blacks looked much, much darker. Really darker than I have seen before on this set. Everything just seemed to have more "pop", yet not blown-out. I was quite impressed. I kept switching back and forth between movie and standard, and standard looked rather murky and muddy compared to standard mode, even though that mode was also using CNET's settings for a basis and then adjusted using the AVS disc.
But, I then noticed something that really caught my eye - the end credits were rolling for a film, and the credits were displayed a few at a time rather than scrolling, which allowed time to see the image as though it was on pause. I then happened to hit the info button on my remote, which pops up a bar along the bottom with channel and program info - and the instant the bar popped up, the entire rest of the screen popped up in brightness considerably - enough that the white text on the pure black background suddenly became considerably brighter - and when the bar went away, the text immediately dimmed again, causing the white text to look murky and dim compared to how white and bright it was just seconds ago when the bar was on-screen. I tried this several times, with different text and small logos on a black screen - and every time, popping up the info bar on the bottom caused a major brightness boost, resulting in much brighter, nicer text and logos.
So what is going on here? Is this the auto-dimming "feature" that I'm seeing? If so, I'm not impressed with it. It seems to dim or brighten the screen based on what else is on the screen at the same time. If it's mostly a black screen with some small logos or text, then it seems to dim the screen. Why? I want the text to look white and bright like it should, not dimmed. There seems to be no way to disable this, since everything superfluous is already disabled. So then I tried the same experiment in movie mode, and sure enough, that doesn't happen in movie mode - the screen remains the same exact brightness, regardless of what else is on screen. If I pull up the FiOS bar, it has zero effect on the brightness of the screen. It remains just as bright as before the bar appears. But, like I said, movie mode just looks muddy in general after seeing standard mode.
So - it appears right now I have 2 choices:
- use movie mode, and enjoy a stable picture, but one that is somewhat muddy and lifeless compared to standard mode, or
- use standard mode, and enjoy a picture with much more "pop", with what appears to be deeper blacks and whiter whites, but that seems to have some sort of auto-dimming "feature" that seems to negatively affect the image depending on what is on screen.
Is there any mode right now that I can use which gives me the image quality of standard but without the stupid auto-dimming "feature"? Why can't we have control over the auto-dimming? Why is it enabled for standard and disabled for movie and we have no control over it? Very frustrated here, because suddenly, it seems like this tv is forcing me to make choices I don't want to make. Why would auto-dimming be a good thing, when it took only minutes for me to notice it substantially dimming credits in a film?

That's how micro dimming works, if you watch the video a few pages back he describes that processing.
It was enabled in movie mode, but in a slightly different degree prior to a firmware update. Currently the picture in standard is leaps and bounds above the picture in movie, although it seems counter to any way we should use the set.

I'll try and dig out some email addresses we can all mail today. Go over all of the findings, it will be much more likely to get a fix the more they hear it.
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post #1955 of 15334
7/25/12 at 5:25am
FIRMWARE: I still have my 8000 shut off from internet and Smart voice/motion features. Are all the firmware updates so far only relative to those features or are they picture quality related?

I am very reluctant to allow FW upgrades unless proven to enhance picture quality. I am interested in NetFlix streaming eventually and some skype activity but this tv in this room is not intended for total convergence and will not end up in that task at too large a % of the time.
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post #1956 of 15334
7/25/12 at 5:42am
Well after getting some combined picture settings from Nitra and Cnet programmed, in the picture is extremely good. I tweaked a few to my taste but overall very happy with the set.

I did go ahead and updated the firmware to version 1031. Really didn't notice anything, but having the set but a few hours I suppose one may not.

I have not noticed any banding or clouding, pixel problems etc... under the viewing conditions I have done. I'm not a tech guru so I wouldn't expect much from me on the gray screen, gamma stuff etc... To a layman like myself the picture is just simply amazing.

After I got through with the settings I thought I would reprogram my Harmony One but found to my dismay the 65es8000 is not in their library of supported devices.

The 60es8000 however is. Would it be possible to use it as a replacement? I'm assuming the 60" and 65" are basically the same other than size.
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post #1957 of 15334
7/25/12 at 6:40am
"After I got through with the settings I thought I would reprogram my Harmony One but found to my dismay the 65es8000 is not in their library of supported devices.

The 60es8000 however is. Would it be possible to use it as a replacement? I'm assuming the 60" and 65" are basically the same other than size"

I'd absolutely try the H-One under the 60es mode. It's a killer companion....Like Hal-109 with a positive attitude!

By the way, your setup looks great bro!
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post #1958 of 15334
7/25/12 at 6:46am
Is anyone using Dynamic Contrast? I found that on medium it really brings some good pop out of the picture. It is crushing a little black though, but the colors seem to pop a little more.
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post #1959 of 15334
7/25/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

That's how micro dimming works, if you watch the video a few pages back he describes that processing.
It was enabled in movie mode, but in a slightly different degree prior to a firmware update. Currently the picture in standard is leaps and bounds above the picture in movie, although it seems counter to any way we should use the set.
I'll try and dig out some email addresses we can all mail today. Go over all of the findings, it will be much more likely to get a fix the more they hear it.

Yes I'd definitely appreciate some contact info.

You said this is the micro-dimming I'm seeing, but I never saw anything as dramatic as those brightness shifts in movie mode in the month I've had the set so far. The way it's working in standard mode can't possibly be correct can it? What possible reason would you want all your text and logos and other small images dimmed just because they are against an all-black background? This tv is capable of excellent blacks and insanely bright whites yet in standard mode it dims the brightness of the text, credits, logos...why?

It looks terrible when that happens - it reminds me why I abandoned plasma. There's no reason why the set should need to dim the text/credits like that so everything looks muddy. Otherwise I thought everything looked pretty amazing but now I question what it's doing with the images it's getting if that's what it does just to text.

I want what I think we all want - the image quality/inky blacks/pop of standard mode, without all the shifting and auto nonsense that I see happening right now. When I have the FiOS box off it displays a small Verizon logo on a black background, and currently, in standard mode, the black background is way way blacker than in movie mode - it's a stunning difference when you switch back and forth - but the Verizon logo actually looks dim and muddy because standard mode is dimming it.
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post #1960 of 15334
7/25/12 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Yes I'd definitely appreciate some contact info.
You said this is the micro-dimming I'm seeing, but I never saw anything as dramatic as those brightness shifts in movie mode in the month I've had the set so far. The way it's working in standard mode can't possibly be correct can it? What possible reason would you want all your text and logos and other small images dimmed just because they are against an all-black background? This tv is capable of excellent blacks and insanely bright whites yet in standard mode it dims the brightness of the text, credits, logos...why?
It looks terrible when that happens - it reminds me why I abandoned plasma. There's no reason why the set should need to dim the text/credits like that so everything looks muddy. Otherwise I thought everything looked pretty amazing but now I question what it's doing with the images it's getting if that's what it does just to text.
I want what I think we all want - the image quality/inky blacks/pop of standard mode, without all the shifting and auto nonsense that I see happening right now. When I have the FiOS box off it displays a small Verizon logo on a black background, and currently, in standard mode, the black background is way way blacker than in movie mode - it's a stunning difference when you switch back and forth - but the Verizon logo actually looks dim and muddy because standard mode is dimming it.

I do not think this is Micro dimming - I think this is more of a Auto dimming feature. Although, it may work with Micro Dimming. Micro Dimming should not adjust the brightness as a whole, instead it should adjust brightness and contrast per Zone. So if you were looking at text, the black around it should be black due to Micro Dimmin and the Text should be bright also due to Micro dimming since it has Zones it can adjust independently. That's why I say, This is not a issue, I think this is how the set should look in Standard. The blacks look better at the cost of the whole image getting dimmer. I do not think this is a issue with the TV and Micro dimming not working in movie mode. I think what we are seeing is Auto Dimming in Standard mode. IT will make blacks look blacker and also hide clouding.flash-lighting. I think Micro dimming does indeed work just fine in Movie mode minus the auto dimming. If you put that auto dimming feature in Movie mode, it would look Exactly the same. Micro dimming is working in all modes, the auto dimming is disabled in movie mode because Samsung knows that movie mode will be used for pin point calibration. Auto dimming will not work as good for calibration when its dimming the whole screen in dark areas. Again, This is not a issue with the TV and this is how it should operate. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I never saw my set dim like it does in Standard in movie mode.
Edited by Gas0linE - 7/25/12 at 8:28am
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post #1961 of 15334
7/25/12 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Well after getting some combined picture settings from Nitra and Cnet programmed, in the picture is extremely good. I tweaked a few to my taste but overall very happy with the set.
I did go ahead and updated the firmware to version 1031. Really didn't notice anything, but having the set but a few hours I suppose one may not.
I have not noticed any banding or clouding, pixel problems etc... under the viewing conditions I have done. I'm not a tech guru so I wouldn't expect much from me on the gray screen, gamma stuff etc... To a layman like myself the picture is just simply amazing.
After I got through with the settings I thought I would reprogram my Harmony One but found to my dismay the 65es8000 is not in their library of supported devices.
The 60es8000 however is. Would it be possible to use it as a replacement? I'm assuming the 60" and 65" are basically the same other than size.

Yes, I'm guessing any of the sizes should work as they are the same panel, just diff. sizes. I would go ahead and give it a go for sure. I'm sure it will work just fine.
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post #1962 of 15334
7/25/12 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Well after getting some combined picture settings from Nitra and Cnet programmed, in the picture is extremely good. I tweaked a few to my taste but overall very happy with the set.
I did go ahead and updated the firmware to version 1031. Really didn't notice anything, but having the set but a few hours I suppose one may not.
I have not noticed any banding or clouding, pixel problems etc... under the viewing conditions I have done. I'm not a tech guru so I wouldn't expect much from me on the gray screen, gamma stuff etc... To a layman like myself the picture is just simply amazing.
After I got through with the settings I thought I would reprogram my Harmony One but found to my dismay the 65es8000 is not in their library of supported devices.
The 60es8000 however is. Would it be possible to use it as a replacement? I'm assuming the 60" and 65" are basically the same other than size.

Can I ask what settings you tweaked? Also, what picture mode are you using?
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post #1963 of 15334
7/25/12 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Gas0linE View Post

Can I ask what settings you tweaked? Also, what picture mode are you using?

I jotted them down, but i'm at work at the moment. I did however make the adjustments in the "standard" mode. The tweaks were not major. I will post all them once I get home.

The biggest difference was in the backlight 15-10 with eco on, and sharpness I left at 50. 0 and 16 as those posted here were really soft and washed out looking to me. I did go back and forth with the dynamic contrast. Either way it looked pretty good.

I know panel type has some influence with these things. I posted early that my panel version is AH01, whereas I've seen version TS01 as the one most here seem to have. Sorry I couldn't give you more. Mike
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post #1964 of 15334
7/25/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Always use screen fit.
16x9 will always clip data.

For me Screen fit gives me thin black bars at the top and bottom of the picture. 16x9 does not.
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post #1965 of 15334
7/25/12 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by norse360 View Post

For me Screen fit gives me thin black bars at the top and bottom of the picture. 16x9 does not.

Didn't have that effect switching between them on mine. Strange...
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post #1966 of 15334
7/25/12 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Always use screen fit.
16x9 will always clip data.

Thanks will do.
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post #1967 of 15334
7/25/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by norse360 View Post

For me Screen fit gives me thin black bars at the top and bottom of the picture. 16x9 does not.

I got all my picture with Screen Fit. However, I did have to bump the position up a minimal amount as I was seeing what I think was the top data line. It had random white noise at the very top line. Isn't that where the close caption data and other information is stored?
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post #1968 of 15334
7/25/12 at 9:44am
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I got all my picture with Screen Fit. However, I did have to bump the position up a minimal amount as I was seeing what I think was the top data line. It had random white noise at the very top line. Isn't that where the close caption data and other information is stored?

How did you "bump" the position up?
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post #1969 of 15334
7/25/12 at 10:29am
Ok, so here is my day 2 impressions of the 65es8000. Picture quality is still out the park, stunning. I'm still messing with settings to tweak it to that perfect picture, but just not quite there yet. The vertical banding was more evident during normal viewing than I originally thought it would be. Last night, I tried a butt load of movies to check for flash lighting and clouding. To my amazement I had no flash lighting what so ever. Clouding, on the other hand, was a b!tch. Even with the back light turned down to 8 in movie mode it was still visible, more so on the left side than the right. When switching to standard (also with a back light of 8-12), it did help but it was still very visible in most scenes. It's very hard to to pay attention to a movie when all your focus is on a big couple of light spots screwing up the whole pic. So, on light scenes I have banding, dark scenes, clouding. The clouding, however, is very unusual. On the lower left corner, the Clouding runs diagonally from the left side the screen to the bottom about 15 inches above the corner. Like almost a cloudy 4 inch wide perfect line. There is also one at the top left corner that runs downward almost parallel with the bottom one but it stops at about ten inches. These are the two clouding issues that are the most visible and most annoying. The couple other clouding spots dissipate when turning the back light down. Has anyone ever seen or heard of this? Should I exchange the TV? Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
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post #1970 of 15334
7/25/12 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by norse360 View Post

How did you "bump" the position up?

The second menu item under the screen fit selection is 'Positiion'. Select it and you can move the physical picture as needed to fine tune.
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post #1971 of 15334
7/25/12 at 10:45am
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Ok, so here is my day 2 impressions of the 65es8000. Picture quality is still out the park, stunning. I'm still messing with settings to tweak it to that perfect picture, but just not quite there yet. The vertical banding was more evident during normal viewing than I originally thought it would be. Last night, I tried a butt load of movies to check for flash lighting and clouding. To my amazement I had no flash lighting what so ever. Clouding, on the other hand, was a b!tch. Even with the back light turned down to 8 in movie mode it was still visible, more so on the left side than the right. When switching to standard (also with a back light of 8-12), it did help but it was still very visible in most scenes. It's very hard to to pay attention to a movie when all your focus is on a big couple of light spots screwing up the whole pic. So, on light scenes I have banding, dark scenes, clouding. The clouding, however, is very unusual. On the lower left corner, the Clouding runs diagonally from the left side the screen to the bottom about 15 inches above the corner. Like almost a cloudy 4 inch wide perfect line. There is also one at the top left corner that runs downward almost parallel with the bottom one but it stops at about ten inches. These are the two clouding issues that are the most visible and most annoying. The couple other clouding spots dissipate when turning the back light down. Has anyone ever seen or heard of this? Should I exchange the TV? Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

I've read some way back in this thread that the TV actually breaks in after about 3 to 4 weeks and some issues go away.
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post #1972 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by badwilly View Post

I've read some way back in this thread that the TV actually breaks in after about 3 to 4 weeks and some issues go away.

Yeah, I've heard that too. I'll give it a few weeks and see if it adjust itself. Thank goodness for Amazon and their 30 return policy...I really hate returning things but if this clouding doesn't dissipate..i'm gonna have to do it. It's just too distracting while watching movies.
Edited by isupes - 7/25/12 at 11:11am
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post #1973 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:09am
On another note. I think i may have a fix for the whole back light fluctuation issue in standard mode. Put your TV in standard mode, enable Game Mode in the settings, the pic will become a bit brighter. Then go back and tweak the Standard settings to your liking. and there you have it. I did this, and from what I can tell, the pic looks great and you maintain the deep black levels without the back light fluctuation. I think. I will know more tonight when it is dark in the living room. I have no clue what is at play here to make it do this, but it looks like it may be a small work around for something....i dunno.
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post #1974 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

Ok, so here is my day 2 impressions of the 65es8000. Picture quality is still out the park, stunning. I'm still messing with settings to tweak it to that perfect picture, but just not quite there yet. The vertical banding was more evident during normal viewing than I originally thought it would be. Last night, I tried a butt load of movies to check for flash lighting and clouding. To my amazement I had no flash lighting what so ever. Clouding, on the other hand, was a b!tch. Even with the back light turned down to 8 in movie mode it was still visible, more so on the left side than the right. When switching to standard (also with a back light of 8-12), it did help but it was still very visible in most scenes. It's very hard to to pay attention to a movie when all your focus is on a big couple of light spots screwing up the whole pic. So, on light scenes I have banding, dark scenes, clouding. The clouding, however, is very unusual. On the lower left corner, the Clouding runs diagonally from the left side the screen to the bottom about 15 inches above the corner. Like almost a cloudy 4 inch wide perfect line. There is also one at the top left corner that runs downward almost parallel with the bottom one but it stops at about ten inches. These are the two clouding issues that are the most visible and most annoying. The couple other clouding spots dissipate when turning the back light down. Has anyone ever seen or heard of this? Should I exchange the TV? Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

I also have a thin cloud line at the bottom on mine. I think it's quite common, I have seen it on several screen shots in this thread. Nothing I will return mine for anyway.

Edit: Hmm but you said diagonally. Mine goes from the bottom left corner to the right bottom corner.
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post #1975 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:35am
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I also have a thin cloud line at the bottom on mine. I think it's quite common, I have seen it on several screen shots in this thread. Nothing I will return mine for anyway.
Edit: Hmm but you said diagonally. Mine goes from the bottom left corner to the right bottom corner.

That's why I find it strange. Usually clouding is splotchy. But this is different, like said it's about 4 inches wide and runs in a straight line diagonally. So I'm not exactly sure it's clouding. Might be a screwed up LED or something. I dunno, I wont even pretend like I know anything about this stuff. Anyways, I'll give it some time to correct itself and if it doesn't I'll just get them to exchange it.
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post #1976 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

That's why I find it strange. Usually clouding is splotchy. But this is different, like said it's about 4 inches wide and runs in a straight line diagonally. So I'm not exactly sure it's clouding. Might be a screwed up LED or something. I dunno, I wont even pretend like I know anything about this stuff. Anyways, I'll give it some time to correct itself and if it doesn't I'll just get them to exchange it.

That sounds like Flash lighting, which is completely normal. It tends to settle within a couple weeks.
Edited by Gas0linE - 7/25/12 at 12:07pm
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post #1977 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by Gas0linE View Post

Yes, I'm guessing any of the sizes should work as they are the same panel, just diff. sizes. I would go ahead and give it a go for sure. I'm sure it will work just fine.

Correct, any of the ES series will in fact work for the Harmony remotes.
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Originally Posted by norse360 View Post

For me Screen fit gives me thin black bars at the top and bottom of the picture. 16x9 does not.
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Didn't have that effect switching between them on mine. Strange...
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Originally Posted by badwilly View Post

I got all my picture with Screen Fit. However, I did have to bump the position up a minimal amount as I was seeing what I think was the top data line. It had random white noise at the very top line. Isn't that where the close caption data and other information is stored?
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Originally Posted by norse360 View Post

How did you "bump" the position up?

Be aware of what you are doing before making adjustments like this.
The purpose of Screen Fit is to get rid of overscan and display the image pixel for pixel as intended. Moving the image up or down is not a solution to correct broadcast issues, what's up on one station, may well be down on another. Unfortunately, broadcasters and cable companies are lazy when it comes to dialing in the image properly.
Try the AVS-709 disc, there's a section for overscan testing, make sure you're set to Screen-Fit, and the picture is lined up on that disc. If you can't stand it, the best option for you is 16x9 which will overscan the entire picture like a classic television.
You can also email your cable company and broadcasters where the issues exist, but they will usually pass the buck back and forth. Adjusting the image up and down to get rid of the line is not a solution at all, you want the image in 1:1

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57477509-221/what-is-the-white-line-along-the-top-of-my-screen-morrisons-mailbag/

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Originally Posted by isupes View Post

Ok, so here is my day 2 impressions of the 65es8000. Picture quality is still out the park, stunning. I'm still messing with settings to tweak it to that perfect picture, but just not quite there yet. The vertical banding was more evident during normal viewing than I originally thought it would be. Last night, I tried a butt load of movies to check for flash lighting and clouding. To my amazement I had no flash lighting what so ever. Clouding, on the other hand, was a b!tch. Even with the back light turned down to 8 in movie mode it was still visible, more so on the left side than the right. When switching to standard (also with a back light of 8-12), it did help but it was still very visible in most scenes. It's very hard to to pay attention to a movie when all your focus is on a big couple of light spots screwing up the whole pic. So, on light scenes I have banding, dark scenes, clouding. The clouding, however, is very unusual. On the lower left corner, the Clouding runs diagonally from the left side the screen to the bottom about 15 inches above the corner. Like almost a cloudy 4 inch wide perfect line. There is also one at the top left corner that runs downward almost parallel with the bottom one but it stops at about ten inches. These are the two clouding issues that are the most visible and most annoying. The couple other clouding spots dissipate when turning the back light down. Has anyone ever seen or heard of this? Should I exchange the TV? Any thoughts on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

As I've mentioned several times.
Dial the set in the best you like it. Then, turn on the ECO sensor, set it to bottom out at 4, if 4 seems way too low in a completely dark room, bump it up to 5.
All sets have a 3-4 week breakin period, but the lighting issues you're describing are normal, proper backlight use combined with the ECO sensor should help you out.
Also, please read, http://asia.cnet.com/is-tv-brightness-uniformity-a-problem-62213336.htm
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post #1978 of 15334
7/25/12 at 11:56am
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That's why I find it strange. Usually clouding is splotchy. But this is different, like said it's about 4 inches wide and runs in a straight line diagonally. So I'm not exactly sure it's clouding. Might be a screwed up LED or something. I dunno, I wont even pretend like I know anything about this stuff. Anyways, I'll give it some time to correct itself and if it doesn't I'll just get them to exchange it.

Normal. See my post above directed at you.
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post #1979 of 15334
7/25/12 at 12:12pm
Nitra, When you get your meter back can you get some solid Standard mode calibrations up? I think Im going to switch to Standard mode for all my viewing because it does look better.
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post #1980 of 15334
7/25/12 at 12:13pm
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The second menu item under the screen fit selection is 'Positiion'. Select it and you can move the physical picture as needed to fine tune.

Weird, that option is greyed out and not available for me...
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