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post #2671 of 15499
8/10/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Will it even allow you to flash that firmware? In previous years, you couldn't downgrade, it would fail at the signature stage.


Work called me in today, so I am no longer at home.
I can attempt to flash it when I get home and see if it will work out of the box(stock)
I do not believe that it will, but it is worth a shot and takes about 5 minutes of trouble to try.
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post #2672 of 15499
8/10/12 at 7:58am
The update that wiped our settings was 7/1/2012, yours might be before that.
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post #2673 of 15499
8/10/12 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

I actually think that was the version that caused the reset of all settings.

I have 1019 firwmare and it seems like according to this post
in 7/4/2012 around then the firmware reset the settings....
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Just took the new update and it reset all my settings. UNBELIVEABLE!
It's gonna take a good half hour at least now to put all my settings back in for each input. Please tell me this isn't going to happen each time we take an update? What if I just paid to have a pro calibration? All that would be lost now. That's really hard to believe. Is Samsung going to compensate those who paid for a calibration and lost the settings? Somehow I don't think so.
They need to not let this happen again.



Can anyone help me search this thread??
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post #2674 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

The update that wiped our settings was 7/1/2012, yours might be before that.

Thats good news.
So the next question is to see (via forum posts) if the version I have downloaded 6/4/2012 1019 didn't remove this feature.
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post #2675 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

Upgrade File (Firmware) (ver.1019.4)

This firmware is for TV Model(s): UN**ES7500 and UN**ES8000.

The version is 1019.4

This firmware update will improve the following: - Supports Samsung Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500 - Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch. - Improves picture quality. - Enhances Voice Recognition feature. - hange the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...UN60ES8000FXZA

Quoted from June 5th, well before the settings were wiped.
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post #2676 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

Upgrade File (Firmware) (ver.1019.4)

This firmware is for TV Model(s): UN**ES7500 and UN**ES8000.

The version is 1019.4

This firmware update will improve the following: - Supports Samsung Audio Dock and Wireless Keyboard VG-KBD1500 - Resolves compatibility issue with DLNA devices and network router/switch. - Improves picture quality. - Enhances Voice Recognition feature. - hange the TV Power On command from ''Hi TV'' to ''Hi TV Power On'' or ''Smart TV'' to ''Smart TV Power On.''

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...UN60ES8000FXZA


here is my post when I first noticed the 1019.4 firmware....
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post #2677 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

I have 1019 firwmare and it seems like according to this post
in 7/4/2012 around then the firmware reset the settings....
Can anyone help me search this thread??

Pro calibration is normally done in the service menus, and those settings should not be modified when doing a firmware update.

Even when an update "shouldn't" affect user settings, it is still always a good idea to copy them down "just in case". Personally I just point a phone camera at the screen and go through the menus while recording a video. If anyone gets reset, I have short video with a record of everything in it.
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post #2678 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Quoted from June 5th, well before the settings were wiped.


LOL we found the same post almost at the same time smile.gif

So is it safe to say that MD is "on" at this stage in the firmware?

I don't know as much about the TV features as others in this thread.
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post #2679 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Just finished having my panel ISF calibrated.
Panel ID is TS01, can be found on the serial number sticker on the back of the set, or on the box.
Be aware, the goal of ISF is to dial the TV into 6500K which is industry standard, you may feel your set looks at little washed out, if you're used to other blown out settings, try a bluray or other high def movie.
Picture
Picture Mode Movie Standard <-- Currently 7/23/12 Micro-Dimming is not working in Movie Mode.
Backlight 13*** <--- See notes below
Contrast 80
Brightness 45
Sharpness 16
Color 48
Tint G49/R51
Screen Adjustment Screen Fit
Advanced Settings
Dynamic contrast Off
Black Tone Off
Flesh tone 0
RGB mode off
Color Space Custom
Red: 43,0,0
Green: 0,53,0
Blue: 0,0,59
Yellow: 52,52,0
Cyan: 0,51,51
Magenta: 45,0,50
White Balance: on
R-Offset: 27
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 24
R-Gain: 5
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 20
10p white balance off
Gamma -1
Expert pattern off
xvYCC off
Motion lighting off
Black enhancer off
Picture Options
Color tone Warm 2
Digital Noise Filter Auto
MPEG Noise Filter Auto
HDMI Black Level Normal*** <--- See notes
Film mode Auto2*** <-- See notes
Auto Motion Plus Standard*** <--- See notes
LED motion plus Off*** <--- See notes
System/ECO Solution
ECO Sensor ON
Minimum backlight level 5
NOTES:
The use of the backlight at setting of 13, relies on the combined use of the ECO sensor, during times when watching in near darkness, it's more likely you'll notice light convergence on the panels with higher backlight settings, but when combined with the ECO sensor, the panel will automatically turn down the backlight level as needed, and raise it back up when you're watching in a bright room.
HDMI Black Level, a common mistake on this setting is that "Low" will give you a full black palette, this is opposite to the truth. Low = 16-255, Normal = 0-255, if you have a STB where you're noticing the blacks are more of a gray, try adjusting this setting, but as a general rule, you want all of your equipment in "Normal" mode and not clipping out any data.
Flim Mode, this option will only become accessible when you're watching interlaced content, 1080i, 480i etc, so, if you're cable box is set to output at 1080, it's likely outputting in 1080i, if you see quite a bit of stuttering in the scene, try and make an adjustment here first.
Auto Motion Plus, Standard is a good rule of thumb, for some people and some sports, you may want to set this to "Clear", it should only be noticeable during panning scenes or fast motion.
LED Motion Plus, Classic CRT TV's had a strobe effect to them, it was generally not noticeable, but would help trick the eye into not seeing flaws in the picture, enabling this setting, will simulate the same effect, it strobes the backlights to attempt to provide the same effect. If you are new to an LED/LCD panel and the movement/motion on the screen irks you a little, try turning this on for a few weeks until you get use to the panel.
Break in, all of these sets have a minimum of 3-4 weeks before they can be considered broken in.
These settings are only provided as a reference.
Also, for reference regarding panel uniformity, please read the link below.
http://asia.cnet.com/is-tv-brightness-uniformity-a-problem-62213336.htm
Keep in mind given the above link, with the correct use of the Backlight settings when combined with the ECO sensor, the large majority of uniformity issues will go away.


Looks like you posted these settings on 6/9/2012 5 days after the firmware I have, do you happen to know if you updated your firmware around/before you posted these settings?
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post #2680 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

LOL we found the same post almost at the same time smile.gif
So is it safe to say that MD is "on" at this stage in the firmware?
I don't know as much about the TV features as others in this thread.

No, it may have been like this from release. But it does seem like somewhere along the way things changed. The black levels as tested on my set on release, didn't match those after the several firmware updates, however.... I have no idea if it was the update that wiped the settings, or the update that "Improved Picture Quality".
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post #2681 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

Looks like you posted these settings on 6/9/2012 5 days after the firmware I have, do you happen to know if you updated your firmware around/before you posted these settings?

I would have updated it before calibrating.
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post #2682 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

Pro calibration is normally done in the service menus, and those settings should not be modified when doing a firmware update.
Even when an update "shouldn't" affect user settings, it is still always a good idea to copy them down "just in case". Personally I just point a phone camera at the screen and go through the menus while recording a video. If anyone gets reset, I have short video with a record of everything in it.

The update that wiped the settings didn't wipe the Cal-day/Cal-Night.
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post #2683 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

I would have updated it before calibrating.


This is promising!

Ok So this SHOULD be the firmware we want!!! WOO!

Ok Let me try to flash 1019.4 back onto the TV tonight, and I will update this thread if it works.
If it does, I will host the file and we can all download it.

If it doesn't work, then I will have to look at the firmware and see if there is a check that it does before updating.




Edit...... if someone has access to their TV now, I can link you the firmware to download it now and try it, if you can update this thread and let us know it works/doesn't work.
PM me if you can try it now/within the next 4 hours.

Rob
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post #2684 of 15499
8/10/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by ripcurl9 View Post

I just picked up a UN55ES8000 this week and am already having problems. The unit keeps restarting (turns off and then immediately on) every 3-5 minutes, the wifi can't seem to keep a connection and I'm pretty sure there is clouding on the screen when its all black. Unfortunately all the stores are sold out so I don't think i can ge tit exchanged any time soon!

An update on this.

Firmware fixed the restart issue.

Clouding was a panel issue and so was the dropping wifi although all the store techs kept telling me it wasn't. I got a new set and the wifi doesn't drop anymore and the panel has minimal to no clouding.

The original set had a manufacture date of May 2012 and this new one has a manufacture date of July 2012.
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post #2685 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by flyguyjake View Post

Nitra,
What's the deal with this whole CE dimming thing. Isn't it only a problem during credits? I've never noticed it watching normal TV. I don't think I've seen it watching a movie, until the credits rolled.
Who the hell watches credits!!! rolleyes.gif

It is NOT just a problem with credits. I have stated this several times in detail.

First off - who in the hell watches credits? Are you serious?? So movies don't have credits in the beginning of a film? Why do I want my opening credits to look like crap? I have a friend over and start up a film to show off my new tv and the first thing he sees is the credits dimming back and forth depending on how many names are on the screen. Opening credits.


Second - it happens during night scenes - I see it happen constantly with very dark, dimly-lit scenes. Put on any movie with almost no light - a very dark night scene in the woods, or in the dark in a scary movie when the power goes out, for instance - now switch to movie mode and see just how much brighter the scene was supposed to be. And space scenes - I've been watching it happen regularly with the new Galactica - if the shot is just space with only stars, the screen is dimmed considerably. If a ship is in the distance, it is clearly dimmed. As the ship moves in closer to the screen, the brightness pops up brighter - because the ship is now lighting the screen more because less of the screen is black. When the ship disappears off the side of the screen, it dims again, because now all that's left is stars again. I see this all the time.

Why on earth should the tv dim during a dark scene? Can anybody answer that? If the screen is already dark, why would I want it dimmed even more? This isn't deepening the blacks only - it's just dimming the entire screen all at once. It's a ridiculous idea. Do you see this happen at the cinema? Does the cinema screen dim back and forth depending on how bright the scene is? Then why should it happen on my tv?


Seriously, I have said all of this before. It's like some people just skip over posts and don't read half of what's said.
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post #2686 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

Guys, which Bonus from Samsung do you think is the best Choice? you know they offer 4 options to choose from as bonuses with the purchase of an ES8000, a bluray player and 10 glasses, a sound bar, a galaxy tab or a 26 inch lcd
which u think is the best to pick?

Get the sound bar. Its a very, very nice sound bar. It will last years and years and years - it will likely be around for your next tv, and maybe your next one. The Galaxy tab will be around for what - a year or 2 until it dies, or the battery is dead, or you want a better one with more features? Also, Samsung is currently in a major lawsuit with Apple over just about every aspect of the iphone and ipad - everything from the rounded corners to the icons they use - Samsung lost in England already - if they lose the case here, they may lose the right to sell their current tablets. So who knows what kind of support there will be in a year for this tablet? Also the tablet is only 8 GB which can fill up very fast - my friend has a blackberry (yuck) with over 30 GB.

If you need a 2nd set tv for the bedroom or kitchen the free tv isn't a bad deal at all. But honestly the soundbar seems like the best choice hands down. It will last years and is quite useful, and has great sound. I know the galaxy tab is tempting and might be a fun new toy to play with, but just consider how long it will be around for compared to the soundbar. In the end it will come down to what you will get the most use out of. For me as much as I wanted to play with the tablet, I felt the sound bar would offer the most benefit.
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post #2687 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by aaronwalker1974 View Post

oh and IR is not overated. It sucks when you go to watch a movie and you see the hud left over from playing COD two weeks ago. That was on a G25 Panasonic from two years ago and it appears the VT50 suffers from the same problem. If you think that dimming is distracting, you should try to watch a movie and ignore the IR.

Agreed. IR is not something to be overlooked. It was terrible - I mean terrible - on the ST50, and the Samsungs weren't much better. Forget gaming if you want your plasmas to love you. In fact, forget gaming, letterboxed/pillarboxed films, subtitled films, surfing, sports channels, news channels - all of these are an issue I faced with plasma.
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post #2688 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:39am
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We would be glad to address your comments to our Engineers to see if they can do this changes in the upcoming firmware.

Thank you

Office of the President
Samsung Electronics Canada Inc

Just got that email back from them.
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post #2689 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

For reference the purpose of CE-Dimming is not to hide uniformity, but to attempt to reproduce, a cinema type effect, when a dark scene occurs, the entire theater darkens, ce-dimming is the sets attempt to reproduce this.

I don't understand this at all. When I go to the cinema, the screen does not dim, nor does the room dim. The lights stay out except for the runway emergency lights and the exit sign (which is too close to the screen so I see the red from the sign on the screen).

What do you mean by the whole theatre darkens? The theatre is already dark.
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post #2690 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Just got that email back from them.

sweet dealio
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8/10/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I don't understand this at all. When I go to the cinema, the screen does not dim, nor does the room dim. The lights stay out except for the runway emergency lights and the exit sign (which is too close to the screen so I see the red from the sign on the screen).
What do you mean by the whole theatre darkens? The theatre is already dark.


I mean, Dark feel. During a dark scene, you don't really notice that the projector is pumping out a ton of light, that's what I mean.
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post #2692 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

I mean, Dark feel. During a dark scene, you don't really notice that the projector is pumping out a ton of light, that's what I mean.

But a theater doesnt cut out 50% of detail and make whites look greyish/darkish.
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post #2693 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:53am
this is just getting ridiculous.. i'm not really bothered by all these "issues".. Unless, i don't see anything at all in a dark scene, then that's a problem.. you really don't have to see all the details in the dark scenes, you know.. if you are looking for problems, then you'll surely find them.. just take a moment and just enjoy it.. dimmed or not dimmed..
Nitra, just keep us posted when anything changes with Samsung.. Unitl then, i'll keep enjoying my TV..
for the others, if you don't like it or if you are going to keep complaining about it, just switch your tv and be done with it..
and Gasoline, why are you even still here? no one really cares about your opinions. You've already made your point clear. Start another thread or something.. PLEASE!
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post #2694 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Just got that email back from them.

I really hope they will consider this - when I spoke to 4 different people yesterday I specifically asked who I could speak with to make a request or ask someone to consider adding a feature or update and they said basically "everything is in the notes of the call I made" - so basically, we don't even want to hear it.

On another note - do they seriously send emails like that with bad English in them? Wow - how embarrassing for them.
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post #2695 of 15499
8/10/12 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Gas0linE View Post

But a theater doesnt cut out 50% of detail and make whites look greyish/darkish.

Nobody wants your opinion here, please leave.
Nearly an entire week you've been at this, stop acting like a child and move on.
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8/10/12 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Nobody wants your opinion here, please leave.
Nearly an entire week you've been at this, stop acting like a child and move on.


If enough people flag his posts, he will eventually be forced to stop smile.gif
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8/10/12 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by prme19 View Post

this is just getting ridiculous.. i'm not really bothered by all these "issues".. Unless, i don't see anything at all in a dark scene, then that's a problem.. you really don't have to see all the details in the dark scenes, you know.. if you are looking for problems, then you'll surely find them.. just take a moment and just enjoy it.. dimmed or not dimmed..
Nitra, just keep us posted when anything changes with Samsung.. Unitl then, i'll keep enjoying my TV..
for the others, if you don't like it or if you are going to keep complaining about it, just switch your tv and be done with it..
and Gasoline, why are you even still here? no one really cares about your opinions. You've already made your point clear. Start another thread or something.. PLEASE!

Are you kidding me?

"you really don't have to see all the details in the dark scenes, you know"

Do you work for Samsung?

"for the others, if you don't like it or if you are going to keep complaining about it, just switch your tv and be done with it.."
"just enjoy it.. dimmed or not dimmed"

Yup, you must work for Samsung. That sounds like something they would say.

How insulting. This whole comment is just...wow.
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post #2698 of 15499
8/10/12 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by rob4448585 View Post

If enough people flag his posts, he will eventually be forced to stop smile.gif

+1
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post #2699 of 15499
8/10/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Are you kidding me?

"you really don't have to see all the details in the dark scenes, you know"
Do you work for Samsung?
"for the others, if you don't like it or if you are going to keep complaining about it, just switch your tv and be done with it.."
"just enjoy it.. dimmed or not dimmed"
Yup, you must work for Samsung. That sounds like something they would say.
How insulting. This whole comment is just...wow.

What bothers one person, doesn't have to bother another, we are on the right track to getting some resolution, everyone needs to take a deep breath here, give it some time.
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8/10/12 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Are you kidding me?

"you really don't have to see all the details in the dark scenes, you know"
Do you work for Samsung?
"for the others, if you don't like it or if you are going to keep complaining about it, just switch your tv and be done with it.."
"just enjoy it.. dimmed or not dimmed"
Yup, you must work for Samsung. That sounds like something they would say.
How insulting. This whole comment is just...wow.

yup, it was meant to be an insult. if you cant get your tv switched, just sell it and get another tv.

and i dont work for samsung. you could have figured it out on my note to nitra. but you were busy looking for the problem with my comment already.
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