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post #271 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

Until I see a few reviews of trusted reviewers I won't put to much in that statement. The d8000 could turn off the leds for total back at on point and have picture on anther. Your saying the es8000 can achieve deeper black levels without turning any leds off? I'm sure someone here sees my point of view. I don't mean to be down on the es8000, I was looking into getting one it just seems Samsung is focus more on design and features then pq this year.

Here is a great pre review of the es and e 8000's. Looks pretty fine to me, give it a read and see what you think. scroll to the bottom for the calibration readings, and a little on the plasma 8000





http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...12-tv-briefing
god bless
post #272 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

True for black levels not being the only factor for pq. samsungs micro dimming is really a advanced dynamic contrast software, it may be improved but its still a dynamic contrast software. 90% of professional calibrators will turn dynamic contrast off when calibrating a TV. Why would they do this, because dynamic contrast crushes blacks and shadow details. I'm sure micro dimming is much better then the standard dynamic contrast in other TVs.

The reason Dynamic contrast is turned off is because it is applied to the whole screen at once based on a crude algorithm driven by a tiny processor - this indeed causes black crush in already dark areas. However what Samsung are doing is hugely different it is far more precise and effects more than just contrast. The elegance of this is that it can be scaled up as processor power increases and applied retrospectively. Also the marketing guys have increasing numbers to wave at other manufacturers - brilliant in so many ways!
post #273 of 16125
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Hi Jeffs2,

I was standing/squatting about 10' from the set. Squattting so that I was looking dead on into the center of the screen. Straight on the picture was great. I moved 24" left or right and the blacks and color dropped off so much, my chin dropped.

I spent 2 hrs with this tv and some of the salesmen were chatting it up with me as I kept tweaking the set. They also commented how much the picture faded when they moved right or left of dead center.

Maybe just maybe this problem is with this set only. Though I find that hard to swallow. The Elite and the Sony had much better viewing angles.

I want all the people that read my review and this post, to know that I really wanted to like this tv.

That being said, for me it's all about picture quality. I wasn't looking to buy this tv because of the voice commands, hand jestures, being able to multitask other things while watching something. I guess that's the future, but I think there's going to be a lot of frustration with the voice and hand jestures in the ES8000 line, till they figure out down the road how to get it to work seamlessly. The video's show people had to repeat voice and hand jestures a lot. (Keep your eye out for the Apple TV. They will get it right, right out of the box)

I just want to sit down, put in a blu-ray or tv show/movie and watch it. Simple really.

I'm just looking for the best 2D picture I can get. Currently it's between the Sony 929 or 2012 Elite version 2 ...if that come to market.

I was coming here to post that exact thing. I finally got to see the es8000 at bestbuy late last night, and I was able to get it to movie mode, but not change other settings. The guys had actually just gotten it out on display.

Most tvs I considered in the past like the c8000 and d8000, I looked at the off axis views in the store and thought they held up pretty well, at least for my living room. But the es8000 was really bad. Just as others had posted, you just sidestep a bit and it starts to change. Sidestep about 5 feet (moving to the other end of the couch at home like) and everything is really faded. Not cool.

The only thing I disagree with is your apple comment. I have a bunch of apple products, but please be realistic. They don't always produce winners, and siri isn't really all that great at recognizing speech. I have to repeat stuff all the time on my Iphone4s. Add to that they will be using other companies panels for this still not announced TV doesn't help people's dream that it will be the end all be all TV of the year.

From the hdguru's early look at the new high end panasonic LCD, I think that would be the one to look for.
post #274 of 16125
Hey guy's. I think the new ES8000 series is great. I saw it in best buy and I had somewhat the same trouble with off angle viewing. I can say that this is not a problem on the E8000 series. Oh, and if my grammer or spelling offends you, I am sorry but my meds can have that effect on me. (I have cancer) I would have thought that being a nice guy and geting as much info to you guys as possible is/was what is imporatant, not my grammer or spelling. I know many people have trouble with grammer / spelling (some because english is thier second language ) and don't find it helpful to critisize them. If reading these posts are diffucult for you being your life may be so hectic, then don't read them or wait till you have time to decipher them.( I mean really, is it that bad. Even some of the worst posts here are easy to see what the person is getting at). I am not mad, just realize you are commenting on somthing that may not even be the person whom is posting's fault. Anyway. I have it on good authority that the Samsung e series will have this special pricing until next month then it is back to the higher prices. Enjoy !!
god bless
post #275 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

...Most tvs I considered in the past like the c8000 and d8000, I looked at the off axis views in the store and thought they held up pretty well, at least for my living room. But the es8000 was really bad. Just as others had posted, you just sidestep a bit and it starts to change. Sidestep about 5 feet (moving to the other end of the couch at home like) and everything is really faded. Not cool...

I'm curious as to what would have changed between the D8000 and ES8000 in this regard. The thickness of the glass screen perhaps? I know they're sort of using that front as a dielectric waveguide to reject room light. But most of the changes we read about all seem to be in relation to the way the edge lighting and 'behind the LCD pixels' stuff is handled.

(I do have a US55ES8000 on order from Amazon - hasn't shipped yet although I ordered last week. Grrrr.....)
post #276 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bambooben View Post

Most tvs I considered in the past like the c8000 and d8000, I looked at the off axis views in the store and thought they held up pretty well, at least for my living room. But the es8000 was really bad. Just as others had posted, you just sidestep a bit and it starts to change. Sidestep about 5 feet (moving to the other end of the couch at home like) and everything is really faded.

Moving to the end of a 3 seater couch can be up to 35degrees off axis and given that most LCD screens start to loose contrast/colour after 10degrees it is not surprising that the picture faded. Plasma are significantly better in this respect.
Be interesting to see the real difference between the d8000 and ES8000 in a side by side test.
post #277 of 16125
i own a 46 inch d7000, in that thread the d8000 is praised for being the perfect tv. you go read the d8000 thread, the es8000 is praised to be the perfect tv, and in this thread, same problems as the aforementioned tv's.
post #278 of 16125
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

i own a 46 inch d7000, in that thread the d8000 is praised for being the perfect tv. you go read the d8000 thread, the es8000 is praised to be the perfect tv, and in this thread, same problems as the aforementioned tv's.

The grass is always greener...
post #279 of 16125
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

i own a 46 inch d7000, in that thread the d8000 is praised for being the perfect tv. you go read the d8000 thread, the es8000 is praised to be the perfect tv, and in this thread, same problems as the aforementioned tv's.

the perfect tv is one that has a place to put your warm beer, a device/or button on remote to mute the ol' lady & gives you the winning lottery #'s...........

ps, has a perfect .000000001 mll & 25,000:1 ansi constrast rating, thin form factor, ultra-thin bezel, matte screen, 80+ inches & reasonably priced, as to not break the bank.
post #280 of 16125
grass is always definitely greener!

can't wait until tv's have practically no bezel.
post #281 of 16125
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

grass is always definitely greener!

can't wait until tv's have practically no bezel.

Current Sony XBR's are the closest to that. The bezel is actually the edge of a piece of aluminum, which is flush where it meets the edge of the gorilla glass. Really cool looking when it's off too. All you see is a sheet of black glass.
post #282 of 16125
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Originally Posted by modthispny View Post

grass is always definitely greener!

can't wait until tv's have practically no bezel.

kinda like an infinity-edged pool!
post #283 of 16125
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Current Sony XBR's are the closest to that. The bezel is actually the edge of a piece of aluminum, which is flush where it meets the edge of the gorilla glass. Really cool looking when it's off too. All you see is a sheet of black glass.

Which Sony model is this?
post #284 of 16125
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Originally Posted by tonyjd40 View Post

I can say that the web browser is much much improved this year. It is amazingly fast. I can tell you that the slow d8000 performance is all gone in the new e series. Oh, the 2d - 3d conversion is again much improved. I never really had a problem with my d8000 but there was some ghosting in very fast scenes

Good news that the browser is much faster. After trying to use last year's clunky browser, smart hub, and apps - I'm looking forward to the ES8000

You mentioned better performance in fast moving scenes in 3D - this was a confirmation of what I had heard before: That the dual core allows the use of more video processing features during 3D playback, including motion technology. I would be interested to know exactly which options are/aren't greyed out in 3D mode compared to those that were not available during 3D playback on the D8000

As far as 2D-3D conversion and how it works...I can only see it as being improved with the added processor power. I'm sure that the suped up on the fly image processing will help as far as 3D semi-automatic depth mapping goes

The improved processor power & speed that doubles the software dimming zones (and adds the colour and detail aspect to the micro dimming contrast control scheme) should aid in the 2D to 3D conversion algorithms the tv uses. If that is indeed the case, it could be the best 2D-3D conversion available

Here's a snippet from an interesting article that helped me understand how this all works:

How Does 2D to 3D conversion work for use in 3D TVs?

3D converters are designed to take traditional 2D content and convert it into a polarized anaglyph image, or essentially two images of slightly different perspective and light level superimposed on each other. This takes more processing power than a normal 2D TV or even that a 3D TV takes to display 'made in 3D' content

Conversion software looks at the content and performs analysis of its shapes and colours, works out what's in the foreground and background, and then creates a map of the images to create two slightly different versions giving the parallax image our eyes need to receive to 'see' in 3D. Of course, the software is so powerful that it completes all of this at super fast speed

To summarise, what 3D TV conversion software is doing is modifying the depth of field of a 2D image to render it in three dimensions

http://www.3dtvguide.org/2d-to-3d-conversion.html


Another link: Awesome AVForum thread about Samsung 2D-3D conversion process
http://www.avforums.com/forums/3d-tv...r-results.html
post #285 of 16125
got my 55es7500 delivered today! picture and everything is great to me as expected.. but, apps and smart hub seem to be as slow as the d series to me. i cant even tell this has a dual core processor. also missing the mog music app for now!! that is a huge bummer. they say it will be out end of march beginning of april since it was just now released to public?
also read reviews that you can do a split screen between the smart hub apps and regular tv, i cant figure that out for the life of me.
anyone else been able to get this to happen? i have read 2 or 3 reviews saying this can be done!


the smart remote will control a directv box also. kind of awkward for now.. gotta figure some things out. but it does bring up guide, change channel even brings up the directv menu settings.. maybe i have missed something but it is nowhere near as fast as the actual directv remote though.
post #286 of 16125
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Originally Posted by slreno View Post

got my 55es7500 delivered today! picture and everything is great to me as expected.. but, apps and smart hub seem to be as slow as the d series to me. i cant even tell this has a dual core processor. also missing the mog music app for now!! that is a huge bummer. they say it will be out end of march beginning of april since it was just now released to public?
also read reviews that you can do a split screen between the smart hub apps and regular tv, i cant figure that out for the life of me.
anyone else been able to get this to happen? i have read 2 or 3 reviews saying this can be done!


the smart remote will control a directv box also. kind of awkward for now.. gotta figure some things out. but it does bring up guide, change channel even brings up the directv menu settings.. maybe i have missed something but it is nowhere near as fast as the actual directv remote though.

Wow, so we now have one guy with the led version saying its slower than expected and a guy with the plasma version (tonyjd40) of this release saying its faster...
post #287 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

Wow, so we now have one guy with the led version saying its slower than expected and a guy with the plasma version (tonyjd40) of this release saying its faster...

let me update this... it does seem to be getting a bit faster. maybe it was downloading updates, adjusting memory? something.. but does seem to be getting faster the more i use it..
post #288 of 16125
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Originally Posted by slreno View Post

maybe i have missed something but it is nowhere near as fast as the actual directv remote though.

i never read that the sammy remote would be as fast or faster, although i have a brand new hr34-700 & the remote(RF) is slow as hell, press a button, 5 seconds later guide or list comes up. our 2 hr-24s the remote is pretty fast.
post #289 of 16125
what i mean is i have not figured out how to get it to page through the guide a whole page at a time.. by scrolling with the touch pad it pages one line at a time and if you use the channel up or down button like you do with the directv remote, it will bring up some funky manual tuning mode (hard to explain what it is) not the actual guide but some sort of tv channel thingy and you can only go one channel at a time up or down!
post #290 of 16125
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Originally Posted by slreno View Post

what i mean is i have not figured out how to get it to page through the guide a whole page at a time.. by scrolling with the touch pad it pages one line at a time and if you use the channel up or down button like you do with the directv remote, it will bring up some funky manual tuning mode (hard to explain what it is) not the actual guide but some sort of tv channel thingy and you can only go one channel at a time up or down!

i see what u mean now, argh, not good, maybe future f/w upgrades will deal with that issue?
post #291 of 16125
I can confirm that SmartHub is kinda slow, Im wondering how it would've been without dual core
I have my UN46ES8000 for about a week, picture looks good but here is what I have now in dark room and dark screen




It's not that bad in reality, but I can see the flashlighting. I hope someone can do some testing, not with plain picture but with something like updating firmware online in dark room
post #292 of 16125
I thought the head-on picture was amazing, but couldn't stand the fact that just one cushion over on the couch the picture became washed out. It's too bad as that was my only complaint on an otherwise very good television.
post #293 of 16125
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Originally Posted by bigbadbob2k2 View Post

I thought the head-on picture was amazing, but couldn't stand the fact that just one cushion over on the couch the picture became washed out. It's too bad as that was my only complaint on an otherwise very good television.

Just read a review that talks about the awful off-axis viewing if the tv's settings aren't tweaked the right way. It also mentions the new motion blur control during 3D mode, and the effects of micro dimming ultimate in respect to the way colors look

A few interesting quotes:

"In fact, aside from a rather limited viewing angle before contrast and colour start to reduce, and provided you steer clear of the Samsung UE55ES8000's ill-judged presets, there really isn't much to dislike about its 2D pictures."

"Ah yes, picture quality. Out of the box the Samsung UE55ES8000's pictures are flashy and eye-catching, but flawed. But with just a couple of minutes calibration work they can be converted into arguably the finest pictures yet to grace an Edge LED TV in both 2D and 3D mode, with only some backlight bleed in the corners during dark 3D scenes letting the side down."

"The Samsung UE55ES8000's 3D images are bolstered, too, by the fact that the TV is powerful enough - unlike last year's models - to enable you to apply motion processing to HD 3D images as well as 2D ones. This makes them look clearer, more immersive and less fatiguing.
The only serious flaw with 3D images is that as the screen ramps up its light output for 3D viewing, it causes fairly obvious jets of backlight bleed to appear over dark scenes in each of the image's corners."


http://www.pluggedin.co.uk/review/sa...-expert-review
post #294 of 16125
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

I can confirm that SmartHub is kinda slow, Im wondering how it would've been without dual core
I have my UN46ES8000 for about a week, picture looks good but here is what I have now in dark room and dark screen



It's not that bad in reality, but I can see the flashlighting. I hope someone can do some testing, not with plain picture but with something like updating firmware online in dark room

Wow, that looks very bad & disappointing for a soon to be owner to behold. Nowhere near as good as the pics on page 5 of the set owned by the thread starter 'Holton0289'

What are your settings. Were these pics taken in "torch mode"
post #295 of 16125
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

here are the tests you wanted



Regarding my previous post...how did you go from these beautiful, nearly flawless pictures to the ones you recently posted? A settings issue possibly?
post #296 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

were these pics taken in "torch mode"

no doubt torch mode is being displayed here......
post #297 of 16125
Extreme tests that uncover uniformity issues can be made to trip up all LCD units even full array and have little to do with real viewing. We know 3d suffers with the backlight on full. But surely the question is are any of these issues visible on real programmes and are letterbox films improved over the D8000. I don't watch my TV with a single white word on a black background at least not for long enough for it to be an issue. Any problems when credits are rolling would be much more meaningful. Also as previously stated all "tests" should include basic settings otherwise they are worthless.
post #298 of 16125
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Originally Posted by anis_ber View Post

I can confirm that SmartHub is kinda slow, Im wondering how it would've been without dual core
I have my UN46ES8000 for about a week, picture looks good but here is what I have now in dark room and dark screen




It's not that bad in reality, but I can see the flashlighting. I hope someone can do some testing, not with plain picture but with something like updating firmware online in dark room


Are this pics overexposed by the camera or do you see this in real? Is it that bad?
post #299 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

Wow, that looks very bad & disappointing for a soon to be owner to behold. Nowhere near as good as the pics on page 5 of the set owned by the thread starter 'Holton0289'

What are your settings. Were these pics taken in "torch mode"

torch mode? you mean dynamic mode? I dont even know how to find torch mode
well no, it's movie/standard mode, tried MKNET settings for D8000, same thing
as I said, it's not that bad, camera make's look work, but it's there
again if you do the grayscale picture test, it's perfect, what I showed you guys is what I see in live when for example I try to do online update and picture goes black, again in completely dark room
I feel like these problems are new, which means they just happened after few days of use
post #300 of 16125
hehehe, he doesnt mean "torch mode" per se. "torch mode" means, back light cranked up past 15 to 20. contrast cranked up to 90 to 100. and brightnes cranked up to 90 to 100.. meaning very bright "torch mode"

i would bet you have settings very high also, i have almost the same exact model (un55es7500) and it is no where NEAR what yours looks like. it is visible on mine but not to the point of distracting and only on an all black screen or black side bars, black side bars which i try to avoid at all cost anyway, hate them!

my settings are
backlight=10
contrast= 82
brightness= 50
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