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post #3301 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Brilliant! I've been reading this thread since the beginning for a week or so and intend to get through all of it. A couple of days ago, I decided to pull the trigger on the 60ES7500. I use to use this forum many many years ago but don't remember my username and this post made me sign up again so I could address it. I've been wondering about this and the use of two chairs (and a wife) was perfect. Thanks. smile.gif

Indeed, brilliant idea. Will use this idea instead of laying it down flat when I get mine.
post #3302 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

Is this lipsyncing done automaticly ?

No, user adjustable.
post #3303 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I tried watching an mkv tonight from my media player and there was definitely a lip-sync issue - in game mode, the sync was fine, but in movie mode - with virtually all extra processing off except dynamic contrast on low - there was definitely a delay. My receiver has auto-sync but it wasn't helping at all. I switched the receiver to manual sync and I adjusted the delay by 100ms, and that seemed to get it pretty much spot on. I've noticed minor sync issues previously too, but thought it was my media player. But a second player also had the sync issue tonight. Like I said, game mode cured the sync, so I'm thinking the same extra processing that causes game lag in regular modes is responsible for this slight delay, causing a sync issue. I don't have that issue when watching my FiOS because the FiOS box is connected directly into the tv, bypassing the receiver, and I usually use the tv speakers for every-day tv viewing especially when it's late (I need to buy an optical cable so I can use my sound bar).
I'm going to leave the receiver set to 100ms for a while, and see how that works out for blu-ray and media player sync.

This really worries me because I want to use this TV for gaming with motion interpolation modes (for smoothing judder on 30 FPS console titles) set to be ON. I probably would not use Game mode because then you can't have motion interpolation, or can you?? On my CCFL Samsung I play with AMP Low and Game mode off, in well-calibrated Standard mode. I've done this for 4 years straight, and I watch BluRays like this too (not in RGB mode) with no lipsync issues. If the amount of lag introduced by this ES8000 set is bad enough to cause lipsync issues, that is insane, as it would be worse than my 2008 Samsung with AMP On in Standard mode, and it might make my games unplayable. Nitra, can you help me out here??
post #3304 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

This really worries me because I want to use this TV for gaming with motion interpolation modes (for smoothing judder on 30 FPS console titles) set to be ON. I probably would not use Game mode because then you can't have motion interpolation, or can you?? On my CCFL Samsung I play with AMP Low and Game mode off, in well-calibrated Standard mode. I've done this for 4 years straight, and I watch BluRays like this too (not in RGB mode) with no lipsync issues. If the amount of lag introduced by this ES8000 set is bad enough to cause lipsync issues, that is insane, as it would be worse than my 2008 Samsung with AMP On in Standard mode, and it might make my games unplayable. Nitra, can you help me out here??

Yeah, I'd like to hear more about the sync myself. I'm like you, I would love to use motion interpolation for some gaming, but as you correctly stated, it is sadly unavailable in both game modes and pc mode. So that leaves using regular modes for motion interpolation gaming. But I can't imagine doing that. Just using my pc on the tv is annoying without having it in game mode or pc mode, because there's enough of a lag in regular modes to cause the mouse to lag behind, which gets annoying fast. In game mode or pc mode it's much much better. Shame that motion interpolation is disabled in game mode. Maybe that would cause extra lag so they left it off in game mode?

I tried using my pc in movie mode and standard mode, with dynamic contrast off, and the mouse pointer feels "heavy", like I'm dragging it along the screen. In game mode it's much more responsive and just zips around the screen. There's no question that regular modes have more lag then game mode.
Edited by eagle_2 - 8/31/12 at 11:24pm
post #3305 of 16126
As it happens, I just discovered that my HP W2207H LCD monitor has an extremely low input lag, bordering on 0:

According to prad.de in their review of my monitor, "Practically no latency is visible in comparison with a CRT monitor." This is the image they took for their review showing input lag on my monitor.



My monitor is the model on the left. Since I've got a monitor with virtually no input lag, I thought I'd test out the lag on my ES7500 myself. If I can get hold of my girlfriend's dad's camera this weekend for a bit, I'm going to try to take a few input lag measurements using different picture modes (pc, game, standard, movie, 3D) to see what I'm getting for lag.

By the way, I got my first chance to do some 3D gaming tonight. I played Trine 2 because it supports built-in side-by-side and under-over 3D modes, which is awesome because Nvidia does not have this series of tvs listed as compatible with their 3DTV Play software, which is required for most 3D games, so currently Nvidia cards won't work for gaming with these sets!! I spoke with them today and requested that they add these newer Samsung models to their supported list. They sent me a link to request they add support for my set, so I sent them the request. Anybody interested in getting NVidia to add these sets (7100, 7500, 8000, etc) should go to this link, log in, and click "ask a question", then request your set get added to the list of supported 3D televisions:

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/list

This page will give further information on how to request your tv gets added. I ran the monitor utility as they recommend and attached the .bin file with my request, which gives them all the technical information about the set's capabilities, which should hopefully make it easy for them to add support for the set:

http://3dvision-blog.com/5189-how-to-help-nvidia-get-your-3d-hdtv-supported-by-3dtv-play/

Trine 2 looked jaw-dropping in 3D. I had no idea games could look this good in 3D, and wow does this set show off the 3D. I had the set in game mode, with the settings tweaked as good as I could get it. I can't overstate how good the 3D was. I could adjust the 3D depth and convergence in the game settings and with a few seconds of tweaking I couldn't believe how much depth I was getting, with virtually no crosstalk! So many layers upon layers of depth! Hollywood movies dream of having this kind of 3D. Anyone who's a fan of this type of game should give it a shot without hesitation - in 3D it's truly an experience on this set. Of course you're limited to 1280x720@60Hz (only other option is 1920x1080@24Hz which is unplayable), but the colors are so rich and the depth is so strong you won't care.
Edited by eagle_2 - 9/1/12 at 3:01am
post #3306 of 16126
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Originally Posted by RaylanGivens View Post

Best Black Level Calibration Settings:
Mode: Movie
Backlight: 2
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 0
Color: 45
Tint: G50/R50
Dynamic contrast: Medium (needed to brighten whites due to lower backlight setting, does not crush blacks with these settings)
Black tone: Off
Flesh tone: 0
RGB Only Mode: Off
Color space: Auto
10p White Balance: Off
Gamma: -1
Expert Pattern: Off
xvYCC: Off
Motion Lighting: Off
Black Enhancer: On (controls dimming)
White balance submenu:
R-Offset: 23
G-Offset: 25
B-Offset: 21
R-Gain: 18
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 2
10p White Balance OFF
Picture options:
Color tone: Warm2
Digital Noise Filter: Auto
MPEG Noise Filter: Auto
HDMI black level: Normal
Film mode: Auto 1
Auto Motion Plus: Preference
LED Motion Plus: Off

What? Backlight of 2? DC and Black Enhancer? With Contrast of 100?
That might be ok for your viewing, but that will crush all kinds of blacks, and blow out whites, as well as a generally uncomfortable picture with terrible off angle viewing.
Edited by nitra - 9/1/12 at 8:30am
post #3307 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I tried watching an mkv tonight from my media player and there was definitely a lip-sync issue - in game mode, the sync was fine, but in movie mode - with virtually all extra processing off except dynamic contrast on low - there was definitely a delay. The video was slightly behind the audio - enough to not look quite right. My receiver has auto-sync but it wasn't helping at all. I switched the receiver to manual sync and I adjusted the delay by 100ms, and that seemed to get it pretty much spot on. I've noticed minor sync issues previously too, but thought it was my media player. But a second player also had the sync issue tonight. Like I said, game mode cured the sync, so I'm thinking the same extra processing that causes game lag in regular modes is responsible for this slight delay, causing a sync issue. I don't have that issue when watching my FiOS because the FiOS box is connected directly into the tv, bypassing the receiver, and I usually use the tv speakers for every-day tv viewing especially when it's late (I need to buy an optical cable so I can use my sound bar).
I'm going to leave the receiver set to 100ms for a while, and see how that works out for blu-ray and media player sync.

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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Well my Yamaha receiver does have automatic lip-sync if enabled, but it doesn't always seem to keep things in sync. I had to into manual mode tonight to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Flavius View Post

This really worries me because I want to use this TV for gaming with motion interpolation modes (for smoothing judder on 30 FPS console titles) set to be ON. I probably would not use Game mode because then you can't have motion interpolation, or can you?? On my CCFL Samsung I play with AMP Low and Game mode off, in well-calibrated Standard mode. I've done this for 4 years straight, and I watch BluRays like this too (not in RGB mode) with no lipsync issues. If the amount of lag introduced by this ES8000 set is bad enough to cause lipsync issues, that is insane, as it would be worse than my 2008 Samsung with AMP On in Standard mode, and it might make my games unplayable. Nitra, can you help me out here??

Lip-Sync issues have been problematic for years, that's why they give us the ability to control things on the players, avr's and sometimes within the tv itself.
Until recent nightly builds it's been borked in XBMC playback, you needed to manually adjust 24p playback up 287ms to even it back out.
Funny thing, my PS3 has never had a Lip-Sync issue, nor have I ever seen it on my cable box.
I also don't see it when streaming content via the PS3 mediaserver either directly to the TV, or streaming via the PS3/Media Center PC.

The main difference is, when streaming, the content is normalized to 60fps, vs, 24p/25Hz etc. The sync issues seem to be introduced based on how each player deals with the speed of the content.
The US version of the will not play back PAL content natively, so you either need to slow it down to 24p, or speed it up to 60.
Seeing the audio sync issue is rare, and once you correct it based on the source, it's usually fine for the rest of it, that's why I swapped to the XBMC nightly builds, it had the fix for 24p built in, after years they finally opted to fix it.
Other things that can introduce lag when playing from a computer, using WASPI vs Direct sound, at least in the nightly build I'm on, if I use WASPI, audio is still out by 100ms, I need to use Direct sound, which is not the output method of choice, but hey, it works.
Also, the amount of post processing the machines do before they get the signal to the TV, I always recommend turning all of it off if possible.
post #3308 of 16126
Got an email back from Nvidia today about my report on the ES7500 not being certified for 3DTV Play:

"I would like to thank you for submitting the report, however there is no particular turn around time for the display to be included in the drivers, our driver developers will have a check on the EDID report and if your display is compatible then it will surely be included in the future updates."

So hopefully maybe soon the next NVidia update might have the ES7500 in the list of supported 3D televisions. I did mention other sets also like the 7000, 7100, and 8000, but it would help a lot to get them those EDID files from running that monitor utility on the page I linked to above. If somebody with an ES8000 could run that bit of software with their pc connected to the tv via HDMI (with no monitor connected so it only sees the tv), it will hopefully get the 8000 on their supported list also. It only takes like 10 seconds to run the report and save it as a .bin file, then just send that file to Nvidia with your request via the page I linked to above.
Edited by eagle_2 - 9/1/12 at 8:31pm
post #3309 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

What? Backlight of 2? DC and Black Enhancer? With Contrast of 100?
That might be ok for your viewing, but that will crush all kinds of blacks, and blow out whites, as well as a generally uncomfortable picture with terrible off angle viewing.

If you think Dynamic Contrast actually crushes blacks, then you should toggle Micro-Dimming on and off over top of some of your favorite content and see what it's doing in Standard mode. I.e., if Dynamic Contrast crushes blacks then so does Micro-Dimming. Getting really good black levels requires you to lower the backlight as low as you can possibly tolerate it. The higher the backlight, the greyer they get and simply introducing Micro-Dimming into Movie mode won't change this fact.

Standard mode with backlight at 5/Micro-Dimming still doesn't come close to the black levels of Movie with backlight set between 2 and 5 and you don't have to worry about inaccurate color (which is most likely why they disabled Micro-Dimming in the first place).

You use Eco Sensor and it takes a lot to get the sensor to raise the backlight up after it hits the minimum you set for it. So, you are probably used to the backlight being at 5 on Standard which is around 40 fL. Though if it actually ever does hit the blistering 13 on Standard you have it set at, I can see how you wouldn't find a lower backlight comfortable. 13 being well above the ISF, THX, ESPN, and James Cameron target smile.gif

But, jokes aside, we could talk about how settings LOOK on paper all day long...
post #3310 of 16126
I haven't been on AVS in quite some time and am surprised to see there is still a problem with lip sync. I first discovered it some 10 years ago when I bought my DLP hdtv and figured it would be a thing of the past by now. I mean, I understand why it happens. I just thought maybe all the new tvs (and home theater amps) would all have some kind of delayed audio as a standard feature by now. Guess not. Only time it really bothers me is watching concerts. Hard to miss when there's a drummer in the picture.

Although my DLP has, and still, serves me well, I'm interested in the ES8000 which is why I'm here. I was about to pull the trigger on one until I read about the stuttering problem (or whatever it's called where it drops a frame at random). Seems I've read so much I lost track of when and where, but any word on if it will ever be fixed by a firmware update, if at all?

Seems like it's always something, no matter what tv. Dead pixels, stuttering, vertical banding, whatever.

I know conventional wisdom says plasma is supposed to be better (and cheaper) than LED, but to my tired old eyes LED just seems to be 'easier' to look at for lack of a better word. The picture just stands out more. Lately I've enjoyed watching Netflix movies on my old 24" Dell lcd monitor more than on my big screen DLP with Directv.

Still waiting though for big screen tvs to be as sharp as a computer monitor. Suppose I'll have to wait for OLED, 4K, or crystal LED tvs before they are that good.
Edited by postalguy - 9/1/12 at 11:19pm
post #3311 of 16126
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Originally Posted by postalguy View Post

I haven't been on AVS in quite some time and am surprised to see there is still a problem with lip sync. I first discovered it some 10 years ago when I bought my DLP hdtv and figured it would be a thing of the past by now. I mean, I understand why it happens. I just thought maybe all the new tvs (and home theater amps) would all have some kind of delayed audio as a standard feature by now. Guess not. Only time it really bothers me is watching concerts. Hard to miss when there's a drummer in the picture.
Although my DLP has, and still, serves me well, I'm interested in the ES8000 which is why I'm here. I was about to pull the trigger on one until I read about the stuttering problem (or whatever it's called where it drops a frame at random). Seems I've read so much I lost track of when and where, but any word on if it will ever be fixed by a firmware update, if at all?
Seems like it's always something, no matter what tv. Dead pixels, stuttering, vertical banding, whatever.


I was also ready to go and my wife today said "you're not going to order it today"?

And now you brought up something else, Stuttering Problem. What the heck is that?
post #3312 of 16126
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Originally Posted by postalguy View Post

I haven't been on AVS in quite some time and am surprised to see there is still a problem with lip sync. I first discovered it some 10 years ago when I bought my DLP hdtv and figured it would be a thing of the past by now. I mean, I understand why it happens. I just thought maybe all the new tvs (and home theater amps) would all have some kind of delayed audio as a standard feature by now. Guess not. Only time it really bothers me is watching concerts. Hard to miss when there's a drummer in the picture.
Although my DLP has, and still, serves me well, I'm interested in the ES8000 which is why I'm here. I was about to pull the trigger on one until I read about the stuttering problem (or whatever it's called where it drops a frame at random). Seems I've read so much I lost track of when and where, but any word on if it will ever be fixed by a firmware update, if at all?
Seems like it's always something, no matter what tv. Dead pixels, stuttering, vertical banding, whatever.
I know conventional wisdom says plasma is supposed to be better (and cheaper) than LED, but to my tired old eyes LED just seems to be 'easier' to look at for lack of a better word. The picture just stands out more. Lately I've enjoyed watching Netflix movies on my old 24" Dell lcd monitor more than on my big screen DLP with Directv.
Still waiting though for big screen tvs to be as sharp as a computer monitor. Suppose I'll have to wait for OLED, 4K, or crystal LED tvs before they are that good.

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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I was also ready to go and my wife today said "you're not going to order it today"?
And now you brought up something else, Stuttering Problem. What the heck is that?

There is no stuttering problem.
There is however at times when settings are incorrect, an issue with playback of some interlaced content, this isn't a problem at all with the set and can be resolved with simple adjustments to either "AMP" or "Film Mode".
I repeat, this is not an issue with the set, it's an issue with the settings, and it's very easy to fix with correct settings.

Why it happens, along the way from source broadcasters to your cable provider and then on to your home, the signals are converted up and down, to 1080i and/or 720p, compressed/recompressed etc etc, this causes issues at times with the pulldown detection, requiring you to manually set it. This is why I stress, you need to find out what source your cable provider is sending to you, and match your TV as best as possible to that, the less conversions in the stream, the smoother things will be.
post #3313 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Got an email back from Nvidia today about my report on the ES7500 not being certified for 3DTV Play:
"I would like to thank you for submitting the report, however there is no particular turn around time for the display to be included in the drivers, our driver developers will have a check on the EDID report and if your display is compatible then it will surely be included in the future updates."
So hopefully maybe soon the next NVidia update might have the ES7500 in the list of supported 3D televisions. I did mention other sets also like the 7000, 7100, and 8000, but it would help a lot to get them those EDID files from running that monitor utility on the page I linked to above. If somebody with an ES8000 could run that bit of software with their pc connected to the tv via HDMI (with no monitor connected so it only sees the tv), it will hopefully get the 8000 on their supported list also. It only takes like 10 seconds to run the report and save it as a .bin file, then just send that file to Nvidia with your request via the page I linked to above.

Eagle, our TV's are supported, NVidia doesn't know their arse from a hole in the ground.
Wheeled my computer out the the TV this morning, and screen capped those.




post #3314 of 16126
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Originally Posted by RaylanGivens View Post

If you think Dynamic Contrast actually crushes blacks, then you should toggle Micro-Dimming on and off over top of some of your favorite content and see what it's doing in Standard mode. I.e., if Dynamic Contrast crushes blacks then so does Micro-Dimming. Getting really good black levels requires you to lower the backlight as low as you can possibly tolerate it. The higher the backlight, the greyer they get and simply introducing Micro-Dimming into Movie mode won't change this fact.
Standard mode with backlight at 5/Micro-Dimming still doesn't come close to the black levels of Movie with backlight set between 2 and 5 and you don't have to worry about inaccurate color (which is most likely why they disabled Micro-Dimming in the first place).
You use Eco Sensor and it takes a lot to get the sensor to raise the backlight up after it hits the minimum you set for it. So, you are probably used to the backlight being at 5 on Standard which is around 40 fL. Though if it actually ever does hit the blistering 13 on Standard you have it set at, I can see how you wouldn't find a lower backlight comfortable. 13 being well above the ISF, THX, ESPN, and James Cameron target smile.gif
But, jokes aside, we could talk about how settings LOOK on paper all day long...

reported
post #3315 of 16126
How in the world can anybody possibly have this tv set at a backlight of 2 in movie mode? There's absolutely no possible way that it wouldn't look absolutely dreadful at 2. I think 9 looks dim - I've tried it at varying brightness levels and everything looks like it was shot by a first-time lighting director who didn't have enough light for each shot. I smell a troll, and it smells a lot like the last troll.
post #3316 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

How in the world can anybody possibly have this tv set at a backlight of 2 in movie mode? There's absolutely no possible way that it wouldn't look absolutely dreadful at 2. I think 9 looks dim - I've tried it at varying brightness levels and everything looks like it was shot by a first-time lighting director who didn't have enough light for each shot. I smell a troll, and it smells a lot like the last troll.
/sarcasm
For really good black levels, you should just turn the backlight off altogether.
/sarcasmoff
post #3317 of 16126
Great idea Nitra, I'll give that a try...

Wow, best black levels yet. tongue.gif

Seriously though, I installed the 3dTV Play software, and sure enough, it seems to work in 3D now. I was playing Trine 2 earlier with the NVision/3DTV Play option rather than SBS so I know it was working. Those idiots at Nvidia are unbelievable - I had 2 different reps tell me that these models aren't supported.

Well, I did check their list, and none of these sets are on the list. I am having a bit of a problem though - I can't get 3DTV play to work in 1080p@24 Hz mode. I can select 1080p@24, and the tv shows its getting 1080p@24, and I can set Trine 2 at that same resolution, but when I actually start the game after changing the settings in the launcher, the tv reverts back to 1080p@60, and the Nvidia message pops up telling me 1080p@60 is not a supported resolution. And when I try "test stereoscopic 3D" from the NVidia control panel, the same thing happens - I select 1080p@24, but when the demo starts, it doesn't go into1080p@24 mode. Maybe because the tv isn't officially supported it won't support 1080p@24? Can you play in 1080p@24 mode with 3DTV play?
post #3318 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Great idea Nitra, I'll give that a try...
Wow, best black levels yet. tongue.gif
Seriously though, I installed the 3dTV Play software, and sure enough, it seems to work in 3D now. I was playing Trine 2 earlier with the NVision/3DTV Play option rather than SBS so I know it was working. Those idiots at Nvidia are unbelievable - I had 2 different reps tell me that these models aren't supported.
Well, I did check their list, and none of these sets are on the list. I am having a bit of a problem though - I can't get 3DTV play to work in 1080p@24 Hz mode. I can select 1080p@24, and the tv shows its getting 1080p@24, and I can set Trine 2 at that same resolution, but when I actually start the game after changing the settings in the launcher, the tv reverts back to 1080p@60, and the Nvidia message pops up telling me 1080p@60 is not a supported resolution. And when I try "test stereoscopic 3D" from the NVidia control panel, the same thing happens - I select 1080p@24, but when the demo starts, it doesn't go into1080p@24 mode. Maybe because the tv isn't officially supported it won't support 1080p@24? Can you play in 1080p@24 mode with 3DTV play?
Mine ran at 24p 1080p on the Nvidia, and 60 @ 720p
On the ATi, I got, 24p 30p @ 1080, and 24/30/60 @ 720p
It's possible that game can't clock down to 24p, but Guild Wars 2 worked perfectly.

On a Side note, my HTPC 6670 looked a hell of a lot more 3D than the NVidia 670
I was not expecting much out of the ATi, but figured I'd give it a shot, it seemed much smoother overall, and better depth.
post #3319 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

There is no stuttering problem.
There is however at times when settings are incorrect, an issue with playback of some interlaced content, this isn't a problem at all with the set and can be resolved with simple adjustments to either "AMP" or "Film Mode".
I repeat, this is not an issue with the set, it's an issue with the settings, and it's very easy to fix with correct settings.
Why it happens, along the way from source broadcasters to your cable provider and then on to your home, the signals are converted up and down, to 1080i and/or 720p, compressed/recompressed etc etc, this causes issues at times with the pulldown detection, requiring you to manually set it. This is why I stress, you need to find out what source your cable provider is sending to you, and match your TV as best as possible to that, the less conversions in the stream, the smoother things will be.

nitra

I thank you for the information. Getting ready to spring for an expensive TV can be a little nerve racking without hearing about all these "problems" that seem to pop up.
post #3320 of 16126
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

nitra
I thank you for the information. Getting ready to spring for an expensive TV can be a little nerve racking without hearing about all these "problems" that seem to pop up.

Keep in mind Jim, most people that come to forums like this are having issues, it's difficult to find objective information at times.
post #3321 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

There is no stuttering problem.
There is however at times when settings are incorrect, an issue with playback of some interlaced content, this isn't a problem at all with the set and can be resolved with simple adjustments to either "AMP" or "Film Mode".
I repeat, this is not an issue with the set, it's an issue with the settings, and it's very easy to fix with correct settings.
Why it happens, along the way from source broadcasters to your cable provider and then on to your home, the signals are converted up and down, to 1080i and/or 720p, compressed/recompressed etc etc, this causes issues at times with the pulldown detection, requiring you to manually set it. This is why I stress, you need to find out what source your cable provider is sending to you, and match your TV as best as possible to that, the less conversions in the stream, the smoother things will be.

Nitra, I'm getting stuttering on my Sky HD box, (1080/50i) what do I need to adjust to cure this? Thanks
post #3322 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

How in the world can anybody possibly have this tv set at a backlight of 2 in movie mode? There's absolutely no possible way that it wouldn't look absolutely dreadful at 2. I think 9 looks dim - I've tried it at varying brightness levels and everything looks like it was shot by a first-time lighting director who didn't have enough light for each shot. I smell a troll, and it smells a lot like the last troll.

He has a point. The lower the backlight, the more beautiful are the blacks. I've tried it myself, with a backlight of 4, 2 and 0. Only 0 is not watchable, but 2 definitely is. Dark scenes are absolutely beautiful when the backlight is set on 2.
post #3323 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Keep in mind Jim, most people that come to forums like this are having issues, it's difficult to find objective information at times.

Good thought, thanks
post #3324 of 16126
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Well my Yamaha receiver does have automatic lip-sync if enabled, but it doesn't always seem to keep things in sync. I had to into manual mode tonight to fix it.

Same for me here. I'm now using xbmc to fix it, ms by ms. I'm reaching perfect mode now. But next to that, even the allshare player has a sync issue. I've looked in the audio menu of the ES8000 and there it seems that the PCM audio was delayed with 100. I've set it on 60 and achieved better sync. But not perfect although. I'm wondering why Samsung has implemented a standard delay on the audio. I did not know this and now I finally achieved better sync by adjusting the option under Sound -> Extra Settings- > SPDIF > Sounddelay.
post #3325 of 16126
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Nitra, I'm getting stuttering on my Sky HD box, (1080/50i) what do I need to adjust to cure this? Thanks

Start by adjusting Film Mode, cycle through Auto 1, and 2, and finally Off.
Between each try, reboot the TV to be sure it's in sync.
While you're on each mode toggle AMP between standard and clear.

One of those settings will clear it up. The American sets can't playback pal, so I can't give you extracts.
post #3326 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

He has a point. The lower the backlight, the more beautiful are the blacks. I've tried it myself, with a backlight of 4, 2 and 0. Only 0 is not watchable, but 2 definitely is. Dark scenes are absolutely beautiful when the backlight is set on 2.

Standard Mode backlight of 2 is not the same as movie at 2.
post #3327 of 16126
Does anyone have any wireless mouse recommendations for these sets? I managed to pair my apple wireless keyboard to my es7100 but no luck pairing the magiic mouse from apple even though it get recognized in the device list
post #3328 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Start by adjusting Film Mode, cycle through Auto 1, and 2, and finally Off.
Between each try, reboot the TV to be sure it's in sync.
While you're on each mode toggle AMP between standard and clear.
One of those settings will clear it up. The American sets can't playback pal, so I can't give you extracts.

Good stuff, cheers, I'll give it a go
post #3329 of 16126
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Does anyone have any wireless mouse recommendations for these sets? I managed to pair my apple wireless keyboard to my es7100 but no luck pairing the magiic mouse from apple even though it get recognized in the device list

I use a logitech m185, works fine
post #3330 of 16126
I have been watching the US Open Tennis this weekend and with Nitra's most recent settings I have noticed the occasional judder in motion, specifically when a play swings at the ball their racquet and sometimes the ball judders. It isn't consistent it just shows up randomly. Is this how everyone experiences judder? I thought it was a constantly occurring issue with all motion not just random parts of seconds?
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