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post #3481 of 16125
Thank goodness! BestBuy website does not show 65es8000 anymore. Saves a lot of customers' time and money. Samsung should compensate its customers whose only mistake was to be lured by the massive 65" screen and had to go through a hell lot of work for a few months. Unfair! Very unfair!!
post #3482 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Ok... the new panel is in! It looks great and I'm totally relieved. No banding, dead pixels, light bleed etc... Took all of 40 minutes to change out. Panel was in a box about the same size the set came in. I'll post pictures of the dismantle later.
Here's the twist, the panel has a flaw under the top screen layer that the tech first thought was a finger smudge. He took several photos to send back to Samsung.
He was going to check with Samsung if it was a condition that get worse over time. He said Samsung would more that likely want to replace the set rather than another panel. This can not be seen at all while the set is on, only off and in a certain light/angle. What to do......Stay tuned

My 65es8000 panel had that too- a streak that runs along the entire top layer and is discolored. Also a few smudges here and there. All my three 65es8000 that is.
post #3483 of 16125
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Originally Posted by garyxrreedy View Post

I called BestBuy around 1 pm today and they said that they did not have any in stock or in their distribution center. They also did not know when they would be getting any stock.link

You mentioned the other day that your 65" will be delivered to you on Friday. Did you get it yesterday, and how is it?
post #3484 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Deepsung View Post

My 65es8000 panel had that too- a streak that runs along the entire top layer and is discolored. Also a few smudges here and there. All my three 65es8000 that is.

My original set didn't have this. The new panel has a few spots about 5-6" up from the bottom. They have no affect on the picture whatsoever. The Samsung tech said it's definitely a flaw behind the top layer. He said I have options, so I'm not to worried about it right now. This panel is really good. He was going to send the pictures he took to Samsung and make a report of the condition and find out if it was anything that would worsen over time. He said Samsung would more than likely want to replace again or issue a new set or refund. I told him I wanted to see how this new panel performed over the next couple weeks. He stated it would take Samsung a week or so as to get back with him with a determination of how to proceed.

I'm of the mindset right now to possibly keep this if it is in fact something that won't get worse. One thing I might add is, the tech stated that once a panel issue has been confirmed by Samsung and a tech report usually will do everything they can to make it right even beyond warranty. There is hope for those experiencing problems. Samsung has provided great customer service so far, and the tech that did the work was a top notch guy and very professional. I liked the fact he drove up in a Samsung van.
post #3485 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

I wouldn't hold my breath on pricing. Apple, Sony and Samsung all have UMP in place. Just look at the Sony 929. It's price wasn't lower until the release date was set for the 950. These companies are sticking to their guns with this. Sony will set the sale price for the set for all authorized vendors to abide by.
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&sugexp=les;&gs_nf=1&gs_mss=6hx929&cp=2&gs_id=1hn&xhr=t&q=65hx929&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=65hx929&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=ac26b312fb52f5b8&biw=1760&bih=780&tch=1&ech=7&psi=RnhKUOKxF4uI8gG2k4GYCw.1347057734711.1&cid=14040715611071050224&sa=X&ei=XHhKUKqrM8Oi2AXP7YGYCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CK4BEK0E

Very true.... But, the 65" is $5,499 on Sonys site. That's the M.S.R.P price. Just like this 65" is over 5k on Samsungs website. I would imagine it going a little lower. Especially if it's not selling good in the beginning. But, you never know with Sony. Like you said, they did keep their 929 pretty high until just recently. I'm st the point where if my 65" has banding issues, stuck pixels, or any of these issues, I wouldn't mind paying the extra 2k on the Sony. The Full Array and local dimming is why i would pay the extra though which this ES doesn't have.

I would buy another D8000 LED in a second if the 65" had the slim bezel as this one. I own 4 UND8000's in one of my homes and I still think they have better black levels, and better colors than this TV. I truly believe Samsung down graded this ES8000 so they can make the ES9000 look a little better
post #3486 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I truly believe Samsung down graded this ES8000 so they can make the ES9000 look a little better

Doubtful. No company would shoot themselves like that. Now is not the time in the economic environment we face for any company to have target on their backs for putting out crappy products to serve the next generation of product. At least Samsung is doing something with a little bit of future proof in a product. Evo kit. We live a what have you done for me lately society.
post #3487 of 16125
Been reading on a lot of forums lookings for perfect settings for sd viewing, hd viewing and gaming. Havent really found any gaming or sd settings, only hd settings. Can anyone post or link the "best" settings for these three categories? There are simply too many options for me to play around with and with me limited experience I find it best to leave this to the professionals. I have tried to search around in the threads already but I cant find this. So if anyone would be so kind to help me I would be a very happy man
post #3488 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I truly believe Samsung down graded this ES8000 so they can make the ES9000 look a little better

It's hard to think they would shoot themselves in the foot like that, but perhaps there's something to that. After all, isn't cinema black on the ES9000? Last year it was on the 8000. They needed something to differentiate the two, so they took away cinema black from the model that had it last year, just so they could save it for the 9000.
post #3489 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

It's hard to think they would shoot themselves in the foot like that, but perhaps there's something to that. After all, isn't cinema black on the ES9000? Last year it was on the 8000. They needed something to differentiate the two, so they took away cinema black from the model that had it last year, just so they could save it for the 9000.

They could easily add it in a future update. EVO kit for example
post #3490 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

They could easily add it in a future update. EVO kit for example
Which will cost money, when it could have easily been turned "on" with the es8k. It's not like it is a new feature to Samsung. When I had to trade in my d8k due to issues Geek Squad created I was surprised to see how many options were removed between the d8k and es8k.
post #3491 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

I truly believe Samsung down graded this ES8000 so they can make the ES9000 look a little better

Anthony, as a previous owner of the ES8000 and current owner of the ES9000, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. It seems like Samsung intentionally left out features that the D8000 had and then added them back into the ES9000. Doesn't make sense. It seems like a marketing scam. I paid $9,000 for a cross between a D and ES8000. I was expecting some upgrades that neither tv had but I guess that's what I get for buying into the hype.
post #3492 of 16125
So I said earlier I'm now using Movie mode, but I thought that Standard would retain my Standard settings, which at that point was a tweaked version of Nitra's. I realized this morning though that Standard retained everything except the Color Space submenu. Every time I change the Color Space settings, it changes for both. White Balance and everything else appears to stay with its mode though. Does this seem correct? Thanks.
post #3493 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

They could easily add it in a future update. EVO kit for example

Not unless they add hardware dimming ala the Cinema Black feature on the D8000 which actually turned OFF the top/bottom LED's

I haven't looked at the specs for the ES9000 but if it has Cinema Black and doesn't have at least some hardware dimming I'd be suprised
The ES8000 does not have hardware dimming only software
post #3494 of 16125
Not only did they leave out the Cinema black on this series, but also the Smart LED... Here's what I predict, Samsung will release the Evo kit in Feb for $300-500 and it will give us a quad core prossesor, Cinema black, and Smart LED. At first I was thinking the Evo kit will only be about $200 but after they released the 75" ES9000 for $9K I don't think the Evo kit will be just $200 anymore. Not to bash Samsung because I really do love their products and designs and my family and I do a lot of business with them, but they are a very shady, sneaky company and you really can't believe them when they tell you certain things

Example. I was at CES 2012 and Joe Stanziano one of the US presidents was there telling everyone that these new ES8000 series will be 30% better than last years D8000 series. The models of the ES8000 they had there looked different than the ones I bought when they were released. I remember looking at a 55" on display there and couldn't believe how great the off view angle was. The ES8000 models that were on display at CES were so amazing looking that I went and bought 2 of them they day they were released. Now, I'm not saying they aren't amazing now, just that they don't look as good as they did too me when I saw them there and I'm starting to think that they took out these features that the D8000 had right before they released them so they have a reason for people to buy the kit.
post #3495 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

Not unless they add hardware dimming ala the Cinema Black feature on the D8000 which actually turned OFF the top/bottom LED's
I haven't looked at the specs for the ES9000 but if it has Cinema Black and doesn't have at least some hardware dimming I'd be suprised
The ES8000 does not have hardware dimming only software

Cinema Black also caused serious halo'ing, wasn't pleasant.
post #3496 of 16125
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75ES9000FXZA

"The 75-inch ES-9000’s picture quality provides an enhanced Smart TV experience, utilizing Micro Dimming Ultimate and Precision Black Local Dimming technology to deliver richer, more optimized color and detail"

There are certain things you just can't add to the ES8000 with an upgrade. Local dimming is one of them. This is basically just a 75" D8000 with the added features and improved processing power of the ES series. With a set that expensive, the fact that they did NOT go with full array local dimming is very strange. It could be that they just can't implement it in a cost effective way without infringing on someone else's patent
post #3497 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN75ES9000FXZA
With a set that expensive, the fact that they did NOT go with full array local dimming is very strange. It could be that they just can't implement it in a cost effective way for the American market.

Fixed that for you.
post #3498 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Cinema Black also caused serious halo'ing, wasn't pleasant.

I didn't see a lot of people complaining about it being that bad, especially when Cinema Black was only used to turn off the top/bottom led's when watching a 2:35 aspect ratio/etc movie. There were a lot more people complaining with halo'ing with full array sets like the HX929. Go through the whole D8000 thread from page one...you just don't see a lot of people complaining about halo'ing with that set. Banding and awful screen uniformity was the predominant concern

I still consider a good D8000 to be better from a pure picture standpoint than the ES8000. It was just hard to get a good panel until late in the production cycle and even then banding was still much too prevalent. I prefer the ES8000 having had the D8000 for a year, mainly only because of the upgraded features and the fact that banding on my set is pretty much nonexistent. If the D8000 had a dual-core and the new features it would be another story altogether...oh wait it does and it's now called the ES9000
post #3499 of 16125
Pretty much. Give it a few years, replace the ES with an OLED once their issues get ironed out.
post #3500 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Pretty much. Give it a few years, replace the ES with an OLED once their issues get ironed out.

That is exactly my plan. This is NOT a bad set by any means, and regardless of what they come out with next year or the year after, I think I'll be able to live with any annoying nuances until OLED arrives and is in the $2-3K range

The evo upgrade sounds promising but they are going to have to do something to differentiate the new LED sets next year, probably with some form of local dimming like the ES9000 but in a 55" at a respectable price. And if the the flagship 55 incher next year is in fact basically a ES9000 with no real innovation otherwise then I will agree with what some of the others have said about Samsung holding back a bit instead of releasing this same set @ 55" this past March
post #3501 of 16125
As much as I love Movie mode, I'm missing the deeper blacks a little, not enjoying the flashlighting during dark movies (which I read will diminish over a month anyway), especially during transitions to black, so I went back to Standard once again. What I realized though was that I was confusing whatever CE Dimming is with that thing that basically turns off the screen during true black scenes. That drove me nuts, so I bumped the Brightness up to 46 to get rid of that. Now because of that I went back and tested the cave scene I was talking about in UP. Twice during the introduction to Charles Muntz, as he's standing in the cave, the black around him darkens. I didn't like that but realized by bumping the brightness to 46, that went away too. Odd because I thought that was CE Dimming at work and not the feature that turns the screen black, but I did it over and over again and turning the brightness to 46 did indeed get rid of whatever was going on. I was very happy with my tweaked version of the CNET Movie mode settings though, so I changed my tweaked Nitra Standard settings to match what I had in Movie mode and made a couple small adjustments to White Balance in order to almost perfectly match what I was seeing in Movie mode. I'm once again even happier, BUT I'd still like Micro Dimming in Movie mode.
post #3502 of 16125
Garnoch

Would you mind posting the settings you currently using for Movie and Standard
post #3503 of 16125
What do u guys have AUTO MOTION PLUS set to ? I have it set to SMOOTH, will setting it to STANDARD instead give a clearer picture? i mean whats the difference?
post #3504 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Deepsung View Post

Thank goodness! BestBuy website does not show 65es8000 anymore. Saves a lot of customers' time and money. Samsung should compensate its customers whose only mistake was to be lured by the massive 65" screen and had to go through a hell lot of work for a few months. Unfair! Very unfair!!

Are you sure? It's showing up in my cart and via search on my end...?
post #3505 of 16125
Major test tonight with these Standard settings, two Star Trek movies and part of the last (very dark) Harry Potter. Beautiful! Nice blacks with none of the fluctuations that I thought was CE Dimming. I will only go back to my Movie settings if it gets Micro Dimming. I also watched some things that I've seen masters of at work and am very happy with the outcome.
post #3506 of 16125
Here's what I'm using. I don't have calibration equipment so after trying many people's settings, my starting point became CNET's Movie mode calibration with some inspiration from Nitra and a splash of knowing what some show masters look like. I like Nitra's calibration too though, but dislike CNET's Standard settings very much. Plug your own numbers into Backlight and Eco, knowing Movie mode should be about 3 or 4 higher than Standard to match it and setting each ECO to whatever works with your eyes and environment in a dark room. ECO backlight in Movie mode can be lower than Standard's because Movie doesn't have CE Dimming (the second set of Standard settings basically gets rid of CE Dimming) which will darken the screen during dark scenes for better blacks. Like Nitra, I believe ECO is key and a great feature that should be taken advantage of if your environment is bright during the day but darker at night.
Below are three sets of settings that I will update if needed based on firmware updates so check back if you update your. The first is Movie mode. The second is Standard mode. The third is Standard mode with the trick to diminish CE Dimming. The third set is what I've been using since the end of October.
For a better understanding of terms and what they mean, check this post....
Idiot's Guide to Terms, Checking Your ES TV and Calibrating It
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399319/official-samsung-unxxes8000-owners-thread/7620#post_22681768
On 10-6-12, I tweaked with the Disney WOW BD and AVS files. For my panel, my settings were very close. It is now updated.
These are my current setting being I've been updating this and differences in Standard mode are in bold - here you go...
On 10-27-12, I tried the new trick in Standard mode to diminish CE Dimming in Standard. I'm impressed and made some adjustments to Standard in general, mostly due to the slight red push in Standard, to get it looking almost closely like Movie mode when it comes to colors, yet because Micro Dimming appears to still be present in Standard, the blacks are better than Movie mode. So for now, I'm back to Standard for a while to see how it holds up.
On 11-28-12 I had to make adjustments to Contrast and Gamma based on Firmware Update 1041.1 while using the WOW BD and AVS files. I've noticed that I can set Movie up perfectly with the disc and files and it looks great, but because of the lack of control in Standard, setting Standard up to play nice with the disc and files doesn't look as good and loses some color, so I've adjusted Standard to look almost exactly like Movie mode, while being close but not perfect with the disc and files.
On 1-31-13 the settings were tweaked again for the firmware with U.S. number 1046.1. This update allowed me to love Movie mode again with less flashlighing similar to Standard mode. I switch back and forth though.
On 2-1-13 I did a Full Reset. This resulted in me having to change my settings a little and it is reflected below.
On 2-22-13 I tweaked for firmware 1047.

Panel HS01

MOVIE
Picture Menu:

Mode: Movie

Backlight: To your liking, mine is 17 when Eco Sensor is used (3 or 4 higher than Standard mode)
Contrast: 98

Brightness: 47
Sharpness: 16
Color: 52

Tint: G50/R50



Screen Adjustment submenu:

Picture Size: Screen Fit (16 x 9 for TV if you don't want possible data visible on top or bottom, this will slightly zoom & degrade picture though)

Position: [no change]



Auto Adjustment submenu: [Grayed out]


3D submenu: N/A



Advanced Settings submenu:

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Black Tone: Dark (Changing Black Tone to Dark, can help with blacks in Movie mode but will crush blacks some, losing some detail)

Flesh Tone: 0

RGB Only Mode: Off

Color Space: Custom

Color Space submenu:
Red: Red 48, Green 0, Blue 0

Green: Red 4, Green 48, Blue 4

Blue: Red 2, Green 6, Blue 40

Yellow: Red 52, Green 50, Blue 4

Cyan: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 51

Magenta: Red 40, Green 6, Blue 44



White Balance submenu:

R-Offset: 26

G-Offset: 26

B-Offset: 23

R-Gain: 22
G-Gain: 25
B-Gain: 0

10p White Balance: On

10p White Balance submenu:

Interval 1: Red 0, Green +1, Blue +1

Interval 2: Red 0, Green 0, Blue +1

Interval 3: Red +2, Green +1, Blue +1

Interval 4: Red +2, Green +1, Blue +1

Interval 5: Red +1, Green +1, Blue +1

Interval 6: Red +2, Green +3, Blue 0

Interval 7: Red +1, Green +1, Blue 0

Interval 8: Red +1, Green +1, Blue 0

Interval 9: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0

Interval 10: Red 0, Green 0, Blue 0


Gamma: -1
Expert Pattern: Off

xvYCC: Off

Motion Lighting: Off [grayed out]

Black Enhancer: Off

 (On helps blacks with very dark scenes & can be subtle but will have a slight (CE) dimming effect during dark content)

Picture Options submenu:

Color Tone: Warm 1 (Warm 2 before 1046.2 update)

Digital Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

MPEG Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

HDMI Black Level: Normal (If available, set to Low if picture looks light and cloudy)

Film Mode: Off or Auto 1
Auto Motion Plus: Clear (Off can be less smooth - other settings give more Soap Opera effect and can stutter picture - personal pref)
LED Motion Plus: Off (On is suppose to help with fast motion - I have yet to see it make a difference)

System/ECO Solution:
ECO Sensor: ON
Minimum Backlight Level: To your liking, mine is 4 (can be lower because CE Dimming does not kick on like in Standard)



STANDARD
Picture Menu:

Mode: Standard

Backlight: To your liking, mine is 13 when Eco Sensor is used (3 or 4 lower than Movie mode)
Contrast: 97

Brightness: 47
Sharpness: 16
Color: 50

Tint: G50/R50



Screen Adjustment submenu:

Picture Size: Screen Fit (16 x 9 for TV if you don't want possible data visible on top or bottom, this will slightly zoom & degrade picture though)

Position: [no change]



Auto Adjustment submenu: [Grayed out]


3D submenu: N/A



Advanced Settings submenu:

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Black Tone: Dark

Flesh Tone: 0

RGB Only Mode: Off

Color Space: Custom

Color Space submenu:
Red: Red 48, Green 0, Blue 0

Green: Red 4, Green 48, Blue 4

Blue: Red 2, Green 6, Blue 40

Yellow: Red 52, Green 50, Blue 4

Cyan: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 51

Magenta: Red 40, Green 6, Blue 44



White Balance submenu:

R-Offset: 25

G-Offset: 25

B-Offset: 22

R-Gain: 8
G-Gain: 26

B-Gain: 25

10p White Balance: Off [grayed out]


Gamma: -2
Expert Pattern: Off

xvYCC: Off

Motion Lighting: Off [grayed out]

Black Enhancer: Off

Picture Options submenu:

Color Tone: Warm 2

Digital Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

MPEG Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

HDMI Black Level: Normal (If available, set to Low if picture looks light and cloudy)

Film Mode: Off or Auto 1 (When available)

Auto Motion Plus: Clear (Off can be less smooth - other settings give more Soap Opera effect and can stutter picture - personal pref)
LED Motion Plus: Off (On is suppose to help with fast motion - I have yet to see it make a difference)

System/ECO Solution:
ECO Sensor: ON
Minimum backlight level: To your liking, mine is 5


10-27-12 STANDARD Update to counteract CE Dimming (whole screen dimming during dark scenes)
Picture Menu:

Mode: Standard

Backlight: To your liking, mine is 13 when Eco Sensor is used (3 or 4 lower than Movie mode)
Contrast: 97

Brightness: 54
Sharpness: 16
Color: 50

Tint: G50/R50



Screen Adjustment submenu:

Picture Size: Screen Fit (16 x 9 for TV if you don't want possible data visible on top or bottom, this will slightly zoom & degrade picture though)

Position: [no change]



Auto Adjustment submenu: [Grayed out]


3D submenu: N/A



Advanced Settings submenu:

Dynamic Contrast: Off

Black Tone: Dark

Flesh Tone: 0

RGB Only Mode: Off

Color Space: Custom

Color Space submenu:
Red: Red 48, Green 0, Blue 0

Green: Red 4, Green 48, Blue 4

Blue: Red 2, Green 6, Blue 40

Yellow: Red 52, Green 50, Blue 4

Cyan: Red 0, Green 50, Blue 51

Magenta: Red 40, Green 6, Blue 44



White Balance submenu:

R-Offset: 18

G-Offset: 18
B-Offset: 15

R-Gain: 8
G-Gain: 26

B-Gain: 25

10p White Balance: Off [grayed out]


Gamma: -2
Expert Pattern: Off

xvYCC: Off

Motion Lighting: Off [grayed out]

Black Enhancer: Off

Picture Options submenu:

Color Tone: Warm 2

Digital Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

MPEG Noise Filter: Off
 (Auto for DirecTV)

HDMI Black Level: Normal (If available, set to Low if picture looks light and cloudy)

Film Mode: Off or Auto 1 (When available)

Auto Motion Plus: Clear (Off can be less smooth - other settings give more Soap Opera effect and can stutter picture - personal pref)
LED Motion Plus: Off (On is suppose to help with fast motion - I have yet to see it make a difference)

System/ECO Solution:
ECO Sensor: ON
Minimum backlight level: To your liking, mine is 5
Edited by Garnoch - 2/22/13 at 8:37pm
post #3507 of 16125
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Originally Posted by tkpro View Post

Garnoch
Would you mind posting the settings you currently using for Movie and Standard

Sure thing, see above.
post #3508 of 16125
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Originally Posted by flyguyjake View Post

Are you sure? It's showing up in my cart and via search on my end...?
It's back. Maybe I missed it.
post #3509 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Deepsung View Post

It's back. Maybe I missed it.

When I check store availability for my area it says ship to stores 3 to 5 days. Not sure if it's accurate though.
post #3510 of 16125
I'm wondering how a replacement panel was only 5-7 days, and a set can't be found without a wait. Panel is looking good so far. Golf and football have been quite enjoyable to watch
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