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post #3661 of 15296
9/15/12 at 5:37pm
that doesn't sound like that big of a deal, does your set have any flashlights/light bleed in the corners?
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post #3662 of 15296
9/15/12 at 7:43pm
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You downgraded from the 65" right? Dude that sucks! I don't want to downgrade just to get no vertical banding! I'm going Monday to BB for a 2nd exchange. I waited out my 60 day exchange period in hopes that the 1st batch of these 65" has sold out and I'll get a 2nd batch this round. If this 3rd tv has issues, I think I'll take it up with Samsung directly.
It sucks more to have a tv with vertical banding when you have seen the same model without banding before. That is a deal breaker. Its not only the banding that I had there were dead pixels and a panel riddled with smudges and what not. I guess handling and transportation of 65" requires special care- it is too huge to be handled like the others. Also, on the 3D s such as those involving deep sea sequences banding is more profound and it definitely affects them. My favorite 3ds such as Deep sea, Ultimate wave tahiti were affected by banding. In bestbuy last year's 65D8000 did not have it but the 65es8000 did. I showed it to those techs and they were absolutely convinced.
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post #3663 of 15296
9/15/12 at 7:54pm
hi may i know what is vertical banding means? and how do we know if the set has a vertical banding problem? ty.
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post #3664 of 15296
9/15/12 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

hi may i know what is vertical banding means? and how do we know if the set has a vertical banding problem? ty.
Vertical banding or horizontal banding are translucent lines or bars that can be seen when the camera pans along the sky or the grass in golf. You cannot see it when the camera is zooming in or out but only during panning. These lines could be vertical or horizontal. My 65es8000 had vertical lines.
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post #3665 of 15296
9/15/12 at 8:06pm
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Vertical banding or horizontal banding are translucent lines or bars that can be seen when the camera pans along the sky or the grass in golf. You cannot see it when the camera is zooming in or out but only during panning. These lines could be vertical or horizontal. My 65es8000 had vertical lines.
If there is vertical banding you will know- you will see it.
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post #3666 of 15296
9/15/12 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

that doesn't sound like that big of a deal, does your set have any flashlights/light bleed in the corners?

In your opinion.

It is a big deal for some. I didn't buy an $1800 tv and a $200 blu-ray player and an $800 receiver and a load of blu-ray discs so I can have the screen brighten and dim from one scene to the next. I'm amazed more people don't have an issue with that. Why are you all watching blu-rays, which are supposed to boast such high-quality, with "director-approved" transfers, just to have the Samsung tv throw all that out the window and do what it wants with the image? I want to watch blu-rays with the brightness that the director intended, stable, not changing from shot to shot.

What does flashlighting have to do with it? Yes, there is mild flashlighting, but not bad. That's not my complaint though. The mild flashlighting I do see can be easily ignored as it is unnoticeable when viewing, even with very dark films. The auto-dimming however is impossible to ignore.
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post #3667 of 15296
9/15/12 at 8:30pm
20120906_215927.jpg 1023k .jpg file 20120906_215952.jpg 1607k .jpg file can anybody who experience vertical banding on there sets can post a picture here?does my set have vertical banding problem?
Edited by caloyzki - 9/15/12 at 8:49pm
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post #3668 of 15296
9/15/12 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

In your opinion.
It is a big deal for some. I didn't buy an $1800 tv and a $200 blu-ray player and an $800 receiver and a load of blu-ray discs so I can have the screen brighten and dim from one scene to the next. I'm amazed more people don't have an issue with that. Why are you all watching blu-rays, which are supposed to boast such high-quality, with "director-approved" transfers, just to have the Samsung tv throw all that out the window and do what it wants with the image? I want to watch blu-rays with the brightness that the director intended, stable, not changing from shot to shot.
What does flashlighting have to do with it? Yes, there is mild flashlighting, but not bad. That's not my complaint though. The mild flashlighting I do see can be easily ignored as it is unnoticeable when viewing, even with very dark films. The auto-dimming however is impossible to ignore.

Flashlights/clouding in the corner is MUCH more distracting than the dimming, thats why i asked if your set has any flashlights on the edges of the panel, its noticable in dark scenes only and when the room is dark without any ambient light
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post #3669 of 15296
9/16/12 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

20120906_215927.jpg 1023k .jpg file 20120906_215952.jpg 1607k .jpg file can anybody who experience vertical banding on there sets can post a picture here?does my set have vertical banding problem?

Caloyzki,

What size screen is this in the your pics? It looks really good. Better than the one I just got does.
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post #3670 of 15296
9/16/12 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

In your opinion.
It is a big deal for some. I didn't buy an $1800 tv and a $200 blu-ray player and an $800 receiver and a load of blu-ray discs so I can have the screen brighten and dim from one scene to the next. I'm amazed more people don't have an issue with that. Why are you all watching blu-rays, which are supposed to boast such high-quality, with "director-approved" transfers, just to have the Samsung tv throw all that out the window and do what it wants with the image? I want to watch blu-rays with the brightness that the director intended, stable, not changing from shot to shot.
What does flashlighting have to do with it? Yes, there is mild flashlighting, but not bad. That's not my complaint though. The mild flashlighting I do see can be easily ignored as it is unnoticeable when viewing, even with very dark films. The auto-dimming however is impossible to ignore.

I'm actually quite surprised how much this is bothering you eagle. Personally I do see it rarely, and when I do see it, It think it does a very great job. I have never before seen a system that has so smooth and quick dimming at the same time. For me it's very hard to even notice it, and when I do notice it, i experience it as a good adjustment. So as some one mentioned earlier, you should maybe consider that your tv has an defect, or at least the dimming future is acting differently on your tv than on other sets.

I highly recommend you to first compare your set to other sets, and then go further on this issue. I have an issue of my own, namely the audio out of sync issue. I see it everywhere, and I am hyper sensitive to it. But this sensitivity seems to be something that's is very personal, and is increasing more and more the more attention you give it. Research lately has proven that people can shift from sensitivity of audio delay at 200 ms, to 20, 10, 1, and even 1/3 of a ms. The out of sync issue which was not noticeable in the past on larges amount of ms delay, now becomes visible at even 1 / 3000 of a second. This is astonishing to me. But now at least I convinced myself I'm not crazy. Lol.

So I would recommend you to consider these two options:

1. You have a sensitivity that others have not.

2. Your set has an defect, or the dimming future is acting differently.

I wish you the best in this because I can understand how frustrating such an issue is.
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post #3671 of 15296
9/16/12 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by Deepsung View Post

It sucks more to have a tv with vertical banding when you have seen the same model without banding before. That is a deal breaker. Its not only the banding that I had there were dead pixels and a panel riddled with smudges and what not. I guess handling and transportation of 65" requires special care- it is too huge to be handled like the others. Also, on the 3D s such as those involving deep sea sequences banding is more profound and it definitely affects them. My favorite 3ds such as Deep sea, Ultimate wave tahiti were affected by banding. In bestbuy last year's 65D8000 did not have it but the 65es8000 did. I showed it to those techs and they were absolutely convinced.

I agree, vertical banding is probably the worse because there's nothing you can do about it. We're as flashlightng tends to get better as time goes on and the auto Dimmimg can be fixed through a firmware update.

I really don't see the difference when I look at the ES7100 and the ES8000. One has Micro Dimming Ultimate, and the other just has Micro Dimming. That's the only reason why I said I think it's a marketing scam. The 8000 should have way better black levels since it has M.D.U but too me the 7100 has the same black levels as my 8000.

As far as auto Dimmimg, I notice it a lot on certain movies only. I'm starting to think that it's more noticeable on the 7500 since that's Eagles biggest issue. For me though, I would take flashlightng, auto dimming any day over Verical banding.

Another thing, I don't recall the B and C series being made in T.J. Mexico. I could have sworn they were made in either Canada, or Korea. I was shocked to see that they were built in T.J since usually it's Appliances that are built there, not TV's.
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post #3672 of 15296
9/16/12 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Caloyzki,
What size screen is this in the your pics? It looks really good. Better than the one I just got does.

hi sir, my set is only 55". how was it? does my set has any problem vertical banding and everything? im sorry becauses i dont know what those problem looks like. ty.
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post #3673 of 15296
9/16/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

hi sir, my set is only 55". how was it? does my set has any problem vertical banding and everything? im sorry becauses i dont know what those problem looks like. ty.

As far as banding goes, i think it looks good. I have a 55" also and it doesn't have any banding, or flashlightng. The banding issues is more with the larger models I think.

If you look for issues though, your going to find them and I suggest that if it looks good to you and your happy, then just enjoy it! smile.gif
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post #3674 of 15296
9/16/12 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

In your opinion.
It is a big deal for some. I didn't buy an $1800 tv and a $200 blu-ray player and an $800 receiver and a load of blu-ray discs so I can have the screen brighten and dim from one scene to the next. I'm amazed more people don't have an issue with that. Why are you all watching blu-rays, which are supposed to boast such high-quality, with "director-approved" transfers, just to have the Samsung tv throw all that out the window and do what it wants with the image? I want to watch blu-rays with the brightness that the director intended, stable, not changing from shot to shot.
What does flashlighting have to do with it? Yes, there is mild flashlighting, but not bad. That's not my complaint though. The mild flashlighting I do see can be easily ignored as it is unnoticeable when viewing, even with very dark films. The auto-dimming however is impossible to ignore.

Eagle,

Do you have another TV in your home that you can compare the dimming too? If so, maybe you can set up a service call and show the tech the issue. He can see how your other TV doesn't do this and this one does. Maybe if it's that noticeable on your 7500, you can get him to see this and then take it up with Samsung to see if they can either refund you, or swap you out for another one, or different model. You can tell Samsung and the tech that your eyes are very sensitive to this and therefor you cannot watch this TV. You can also say its even causing you to have headaches every time you use it and how unhappy you are

Don't let them know how you can't return it because of all your returns from Best Buy otherwise they probably won't do it, but maybe they will let you upgrade to the 8000 and let you just pay the difference which shouldn't be much more. Just a sugestion.. Your obviously really sensitive to this and I think you might have a chance getting it resolved if you can show the tech how bad it is. Obviously the rest of us aren't in your shoes with this, so it really may be either a defect or just how the 7500 is.
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post #3675 of 15296
9/16/12 at 8:43am
I have the 7500 too though, so I think it's more like Stefanhvt said where perhaps he either has a defect or is hypersensitive to it. If everyone that looks at his TV says the same thing though, that's why I leaned towards a defect. I think I'm seeing on my 7500 what others are seeing on their 8000.
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post #3676 of 15296
9/16/12 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

20120906_215927.jpg 1023k .jpg file 20120906_215952.jpg 1607k .jpg file can anybody who experience vertical banding on there sets can post a picture here?does my set have vertical banding problem?

Looks good to me.
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post #3677 of 15296
9/16/12 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

I'm actually quite surprised how much this is bothering you eagle. Personally I do see it rarely, and when I do see it, It think it does a very great job. I have never before seen a system that has so smooth and quick dimming at the same time. For me it's very hard to even notice it, and when I do notice it, i experience it as a good adjustment. So as some one mentioned earlier, you should maybe consider that your tv has an defect, or at least the dimming future is acting differently on your tv than on other sets.
I highly recommend you to first compare your set to other sets, and then go further on this issue. I have an issue of my own, namely the audio out of sync issue. I see it everywhere, and I am hyper sensitive to it. But this sensitivity seems to be something that's is very personal, and is increasing more and more the more attention you give it. Research lately has proven that people can shift from sensitivity of audio delay at 200 ms, to 20, 10, 1, and even 1/3 of a ms. The out of sync issue which was not noticeable in the past on larges amount of ms delay, now becomes visible at even 1 / 3000 of a second. This is astonishing to me. But now at least I convinced myself I'm not crazy. Lol.
So I would recommend you to consider these two options:
1. You have a sensitivity that others have not.
2. Your set has an defect, or the dimming future is acting differently.

I wish you the best in this because I can understand how frustrating such an issue is.

Ha, then again, although you might not be crazy, you can definitely drive yourself crazy even when an issue isn't there. I'm a Re-Recording Mixer (Audio Engineer) and I can't count how many times me or a producer will see something out of sync and then start seeing sync issues everywhere when in fact there are none. It can be maddening. I know I can see a half frame that's out of sync, which would be around 16.5 milliseconds. Sometimes I think I I can see a quarter frame, but those are usually the times I start to go crazy over it. I've had sets that have sync issues over HDMI but not component. I'm really happy with the sync of my Samsung though. There are times when there is a sync issue on the actual show Master too. There are even more times that a sync issue is caused by the network or cable/satellite company too - more often the cable/satellite company. There have been may times where a producer or network has freaked out over a sync issue, only to find out after a lot of testing that it only occurred on the Comcast or DirecTV feed. I've seen two instances of sync issues so far on the Samsung, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with the set. That's not to say it can't be caused by the set or by the signal path someone has set up in their house though. Anyway, if you think you have a defect, do something about it, but otherwise, try not to wind up in a mental hospital over it. smile.gif
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post #3678 of 15296
9/16/12 at 9:18am
Garnoch, if u had a flashlight(bright corner) in the bottom left corner on your tv, would that drive you crazy? also Garnoch, do you have ECO SENSOR on? and if so whats the minimum backlight set to? and how about energy saving? you have it set to low,medium, or high?
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post #3679 of 15296
9/16/12 at 9:55am
I'm a longtime member, but this is my first post in awhile.
I've been following this thread for quite a bit, and thought I'd chime in with some opinions.
First off, a big thank you to Nitra for taking the time to post his thoughts/settings etc. These have been invaluable and extremely informative.

The first set I purchased was a 7100, and my wife and I loved the thin bezel and all around ergonomics of this set. We have very limited space for a television, and this set takes up less real estate than our 46" Samsung B610.
Picture quality on the 7100 was astounding, but alas....a 1inch diameter bright spot in the upper middle of the set made it a non-keeper.
The CE Dimming on this set was also very noticable, and annoying.
We no-hassle exchanged it from the store we purchased it from, and upgraded to a 7500.

The 7500 has (IMHO) a slightly better picture. I can't put my finger on it, but it is noticable.
Nice set.....but alas. Even after the recommended 3 week break-in period, unacceptable flashlighting from the upper right corner of the set.
CE Dimming was not as much of an issue, barely noticable.
No noticable banding whatsoever. We did a no hassle exchange for another 7500.

This second 7500 has barely noticable flashlighting in lower left corner, and no banding.
The CE Dimming is also a non-issue.
This one is a keeper for sure, as the flashlighting is only noticable if you REALLY look for it in a very dark room.

As per some of the suggestions I've read in here, I have the AMP set to clear.
With it set to Custom, and Blur set to 10 and judder set to 0, I noticed some stutter during credit scrawls, Clear solved this.
I use Standard, with backlight at 10 for 2D, 13 for 3D.
Eco sensor is On, with a minimum of 4.
I may be labelled a heathen (lol) but I don't like the properly calibrated look.
To me, it produces a too warm look that lessens some of the "Pop" I like.
So, I have fiddled around and set it up by eye.
It's all about personal enjoyment, right?

I hope everyone gets a good television in the end, as this is a truly wonderful television.

Thanks again to all that have posted in this most informative thread.
Edited by BPWingN - 9/16/12 at 10:08am
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post #3680 of 15296
9/16/12 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

As far as banding goes, i think it looks good. I have a 55" also and it doesn't have any banding, or flashlightng. The banding issues is more with the larger models I think.
If you look for issues though, your going to find them and I suggest that if it looks good to you and your happy, then just enjoy it! smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Looks good to me.

Thank you guys. I hope everything will be ok with my set. 2 weeks from now after the break in period my set will be isf pro calibrated by kevin miller and i am vet excited to see the pq after the calibration. Ty
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9/16/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

Garnoch, if u had a flashlight(bright corner) in the bottom left corner on your tv, would that drive you crazy? also Garnoch, do you have ECO SENSOR on? and if so whats the minimum backlight set to? and how about energy saving? you have it set to low,medium, or high?

In Movie mode I have some minimal flashlighting in all corners and a minimal amount of clouding during very dark scenes that can be seen when the room is dark. It wasn't bad enough to drive me too crazy but I didn't like it compared to basically zero flashlighting and clouding in Standard mode, which is why I switched. Now if I had really bad flashlighting only in one corner, especially in Standard mode, it would drive me crazy. I almost wonder if an interior screw is too tight on in that corner.

As for backlight and the ECO sensor, I think its subjective. I think you should set your day time backlight to where you want it, then set your ECO where you want it when you're watching in your nighttime environment. I wouldn't worry about what other people have their's set at. Since you asked though, I have my ECO set at 7. That's in Standard mode though. Movie mode would be different. If I could convince my wife to watch more often in complete darkness though, I would set it a little lower. I LOVE the ECO feature and being I'm using it, I do not use Energy Saver.
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9/16/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Thank you guys. I hope everything will be ok with my set. 2 weeks from now after the break in period my set will be isf pro calibrated by kevin miller and i am vet excited to see the pq after the calibration. Ty

You're welcome and as payment we'd love to see you post the settings and compare it to what some of us are doing. smile.gif Hopefully he'll calibrate Movie and Standard in addition to the pro cal-day-night settings. Good luck!
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9/16/12 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by BPWingN View Post

I'm a longtime member, but this is my first post in awhile.
I've been following this thread for quite a bit, and thought I'd chime in with some opinions.
First off, a big thank you to Nitra for taking the time to post his thoughts/settings etc. These have been invaluable and extremely informative.
The first set I purchased was a 7100, and my wife and I loved the thin bezel and all around ergonomics of this set. We have very limited space for a television, and this set takes up less real estate than our 46" Samsung B610.
Picture quality on the 7100 was astounding, but alas....a 1inch diameter bright spot in the upper middle of the set made it a non-keeper.
The CE Dimming on this set was also very noticable, and annoying.
We no-hassle exchanged it from the store we purchased it from, and upgraded to a 7500.
The 7500 has (IMHO) a slightly better picture. I can't put my finger on it, but it is noticable.
Nice set.....but alas. Even after the recommended 3 week break-in period, unacceptable flashlighting from the upper right corner of the set.
CE Dimming was not as much of an issue, barely noticable.
No noticable banding whatsoever. We did a no hassle exchange for another 7500.
This second 7500 has barely noticable flashlighting in lower left corner, and no banding.
The CE Dimming is also a non-issue.
This one is a keeper for sure, as the flashlighting is only noticable if you REALLY look for it in a very dark room.
As per some of the suggestions I've read in here, I have the AMP set to clear.
With it set to Custom, and Blur set to 10 and judder set to 0, I noticed some stutter during credit scrawls, Clear solved this.
I use Standard, with backlight at 10 for 2D, 13 for 3D.
Eco sensor is On, with a minimum of 4.
I may be labelled a heathen (lol) but I don't like the properly calibrated look.
To me, it produces a too warm look that lessens some of the "Pop" I like.
So, I have fiddled around and set it up by eye.
It's all about personal enjoyment, right?
I hope everyone gets a good television in the end, as this is a truly wonderful television.
Thanks again to all that have posted in this most informative thread.

First, I agree to giving Nitra a big thank you. His time here has been extremely appreciated.
Second, congrats on playing the lotto and finally getting a great set! We LOVE our 7500 and we appear to have gotten lucky the first time. I felt the same way about the AMP settings after a lot of testing. As for the look... I think you're totally right - do what looks best for you guys. It's all about what make it enjoyable for each individual.
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post #3684 of 15296
9/16/12 at 1:29pm
when you say your set showed some flashlights in the corners, did you see that in daytime or in complete darkness at night?

the flashlights on my set are nearly non existant in daytime, however if i watch in the dark at night i can see it in dark scenes.

i dont use ecosensor however, i use standard mode and backlight 7, should i enable eco sensor? what should i set to to minimum backlight considering i use backlight 7 as a base.
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9/16/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

You're welcome and as payment we'd love to see you post the settings and compare it to what some of us are doing. smile.gif Hopefully he'll calibrate Movie and Standard in addition to the pro cal-day-night settings. Good luck!

Ok. But my set is LG55LM7600. My set has already 2 default isf1 setfings and isf2 settings and he said one is for cal-day and the other isfor cal-night. I dont know about the movie and standard settings.idk how does pro isf calib do or how many input they need to calibrate. Is ur set calibrated already?
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post #3686 of 15296
9/16/12 at 3:08pm
OHH I thought you had an ES8000. Never mind then haha. I did not have it pro calibrated.
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9/16/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

when you say your set showed some flashlights in the corners, did you see that in daytime or in complete darkness at night?
the flashlights on my set are nearly non existant in daytime, however if i watch in the dark at night i can see it in dark scenes.
i dont use ecosensor however, i use standard mode and backlight 7, should i enable eco sensor? what should i set to to minimum backlight considering i use backlight 7 as a base.

I'm surprised you're seeing much flashlighting using Standard. With the edge lit LED screen, there will always be a little of something though. If you're comfortable with 7 during the day, try 4 or 5 for ECO at night. Really, just play around with it and see what works for your eyes. Maybe keeping it at 7 with ECO turned off is best for you, or maybe with 7 during the day, you'd even be good with 3 at night. Hard to say, everyone is different.
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9/16/12 at 4:44pm
How is standard different than the other modes that i shouldn't be seeing any flashlights?

i mean basically there is one flashlight in the lower left corner, and a tiny one in the upper left corner.

if you turn all lights in the room off in complete darkness and put a black screen on your set ,do you see the flashlights in the corners? in how many corners?

thanks
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post #3689 of 15296
9/16/12 at 5:42pm
Standard mode has other features that Movie mode doesn't that help black levels, minimizing flashlighting, like Micro Dimming and CE Dimming. I see minimal flashlighting in the corners in Movie mode, but basically none in Standard. Maybe post some pics of that one corner.
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9/16/12 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Ha, then again, although you might not be crazy, you can definitely drive yourself crazy even when an issue isn't there. I'm a Re-Recording Mixer (Audio Engineer) and I can't count how many times me or a producer will see something out of sync and then start seeing sync issues everywhere when in fact there are none. It can be maddening. I know I can see a half frame that's out of sync, which would be around 16.5 milliseconds. Sometimes I think I I can see a quarter frame, but those are usually the times I start to go crazy over it. I've had sets that have sync issues over HDMI but not component. I'm really happy with the sync of my Samsung though. There are times when there is a sync issue on the actual show Master too. There are even more times that a sync issue is caused by the network or cable/satellite company too - more often the cable/satellite company. There have been may times where a producer or network has freaked out over a sync issue, only to find out after a lot of testing that it only occurred on the Comcast or DirecTV feed. I've seen two instances of sync issues so far on the Samsung, but I'm sure it had nothing to do with the set. That's not to say it can't be caused by the set or by the signal path someone has set up in their house though. Anyway, if you think you have a defect, do something about it, but otherwise, try not to wind up in a mental hospital over it. smile.gif

Haha very helpfull post to me. Recently I was more and more assuming that it's was all a trapped mindset. Thank you for taking my doubts away wink.gif
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