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post #3901 of 15499
9/19/12 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I added some extra thoughts to my above post while you were commenting. As I mentioned above, it is a false promise if we're told how great micro-dimming is, but not told it has no effect in 3D or movie modes. That borders on false advertising.

But how can we make sure Micro Dimming isn't a great future when it is combined with ce dimming at this moment? We just not have the objectivity at this moment to conclude if this advertising is false or not. The only thing we can say is that future's are combined and made unadjustable without our knowing. But that doesn't mean we can yet say something objectively about the function itself.
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9/19/12 at 2:55pm
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Your the only one that got that. Seriously, I've been to T.J Mexico since its only a 2-3 hour drive from my house and it ain't pretty. Dead dogs all over the streets .. Gangs everywhere.. It's crazy

Cheek-lay meester... Cheek-lay ... kids everywhere selling ****! I had to shower when I got back home. Just sayin
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post #3903 of 15499
9/19/12 at 3:31pm
I feel really bad for those that have gotten a bad one, especially time after time, because when it's good, it's amazing. I think this may have been the point Anthony was making about Apple a few pages back. I'm fine with paying for top notch QC and service. Luckily for Samsung, for the most part they do really well in the service department. One of the biggest "features" I look for when I buy anything is service. The roulette sucks, but I think we all feel that we would be happier with a working 8000 (or 7500) than just about anything out there, so even though waiting for replacements sucks, I say stick with it and make Samsung prove how good their customer service it.
Speaking of Apple, I'm off to update update 8 iOS devices, wish me luck. smile.gif
Never mind, no Apple TV update today and no iOS 6 for iPad 1s.
Edited by Garnoch - 9/19/12 at 3:40pm
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post #3904 of 15499
9/19/12 at 5:35pm
I want tot reply once again on all those people who have issues with the choosing between movie and standard mode and the whole Micro dimming ultimate issue. After watching some movies again this evening I can now say with absolute certainty that with the proper tweaking, of your own media settings and the tv settings, you can achieve a awesome picture without the experience that ce dimming is ruining it. What gave me the breaktrough in this experience is the adjustment of hdmi blacklevel to standard, and the adjustment of the gamma settings of my media player to the lowest point possible. So the first question I want to pop out in big letters is the following:

Is it possible that ce dimming is functioning over-reactive when the gamma settings of media are set to high ?

It looks possible to me. If ce dimming is constantly adjusting itself to light and dark scenes, then you really should set the gamma as low as possible. When you don't, you will really start to see very strange adjustments to the image. On my media player I'm running xbmc frodo with the linux operating system. In linux it's easy to adjust the gamma and for the first time in two years I have set the settings back to the standard gamma output of linux. The result: A awesome picture. The dimming futures where functioning beautifully.

Immediately after watching some movies on my xbmc media player, I played the same movies on the Samsung allshare player to compare it. What was visible in an instance was that the gamma settings of the allshare player where set some higher, and it was definitely not doing any good to the image in standard mode. That discovery gave me the feeling that I had to share this here. Eagle, Anthony, because you two had some strong complains about the standard mode, it would be wise to make sure there is no +gamma adjustment made to your media. It maybe helpful to all the people that have problems with standard mode to make sure that you give it a picture with the gamma set to the lowest point possible.
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post #3905 of 15499
9/19/12 at 5:47pm
Ok so I was just on with samsungs live chat support and they honestly believe that doing a factory reset will fix my flash lighting and clouding issues:eek:

I've been trying to return this set to PC Rich but for some ridiculous reason they won't let me unless its a defective set. I really can't believe they won't allow returns on a set that I never had a chance to view in the store not to mention the fact that the customer is not satisfied with the purchase. Anyone deal with them before?
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post #3906 of 15499
9/19/12 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Ok so I was just on with samsungs live chat support and they honestly believe that doing a factory reset will fix my flash lighting and clouding issues:eek:
I've been trying to return this set to PC Rich but for some ridiculous reason they won't let me unless its a defective set. I really can't believe they won't allow returns on a set that I never had a chance to view in the store not to mention the fact that the customer is not satisfied with the purchase. Anyone deal with them before?

PC Rich.. Is a bad place to buy electronics from. They hardly ever let you return anything. I've been through exactly what your going through. They will try and fix it though
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post #3907 of 15499
9/19/12 at 6:13pm
Yeah they sent out a tech twice who feels that it's perfectly within Samsung standards ......rolleyes.gif

I guess I just have to have a Samsung tech come out
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9/19/12 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I am new to this forum, and I will take delivery of a Samsung UN65ES8000 tomorrow (Abt Electronics). It replaces my old 56" Samsung DLP 1080i model that I bought in 2005 (state of the art then, they didn't have LCDs that big and didn't have 1080p in DLP either lol). Interesting thread, especially the part about the microdimming feature. I was impressed by that in the ads, thinking it was superior to the Sharp model that splits it into quarters. I'm not anywhere near as tech saavy as you people, but I'm looking forward to this unit. One post said that the average viewer (me) doesn't have any idea how to set up the display, they just run it out of the box. My question is: how do I optimize it? At least steer me to a place that explains it. Also, my surround amp is probably like 12 years old, it has DSP and 5.01 and I have good Paradigm speakers. Should that be good enough for these times? Thanks in advance for your help, this is a cool forum.

Welcome.. Good luck with your TV tomorrow. Once you get it set up, there's some good settings on here that you can use. First thing you want to do is make sure it's in movie mode, or standard mode. Then bring the backlight down to between 10-13. Next, bring down the contrast to 70-80 and the Sharpness way down.

As far as your sound system goes, you may want to upgrade your receiver to a new one that has HDMI, and 3D down the road. There are some good ones now that aren't that expensive. My favorites are Onkyo and Yamaha. You can get a good Onkyo 7.2 for under $400 on Amazon, or a 5.1 even cheaper. You should be all set with speakers though.
Does your amp have a optical output?
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post #3909 of 15499
9/19/12 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

I want tot reply once again on all those people who have issues with the choosing between movie and standard mode and the whole Micro dimming ultimate issue. After watching some movies again this evening I can now say with absolute certainty that with the proper tweaking, of your own media settings and the tv settings, you can achieve a awesome picture without the experience that ce dimming is ruining it. What gave me the breaktrough in this experience is the adjustment of hdmi blacklevel to standard, and the adjustment of the gamma settings of my media player to the lowest point possible. So the first question I want to pop out in big letters is the following:
Is it possible that ce dimming is functioning over-reactive when the gamma settings of media are set to high ?
It looks possible to me. If ce dimming is constantly adjusting itself to light and dark scenes, then you really should set the gamma as low as possible. When you don't, you will really start to see very strange adjustments to the image. On my media player I'm running xbmc frodo with the linux operating system. In linux it's easy to adjust the gamma and for the first time in two years I have set the settings back to the standard gamma output of linux. The result: A awesome picture. The dimming futures where functioning beautifully.
Immediately after watching some movies on my xbmc media player, I played the same movies on the Samsung allshare player to compare it. What was visible in an instance was that the gamma settings of the allshare player where set some higher, and it was definitely not doing any good to the image in standard mode. That discovery gave me the feeling that I had to share this here. Eagle, Anthony, because you two had some strong complains about the standard mode, it would be wise to make sure there is no +gamma adjustment made to your media. It maybe helpful to all the people that have problems with standard mode to make sure that you give it a picture with the gamma set to the lowest point possible.

You know when my TV looks really amazing? When I put the energy saver on Low. Not the Eco sensor. That's when I notice really good black levels.. Only problem is, it makes the picture way too dark. That may be a good option to use for the people that have flash-lighting issues though.
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post #3910 of 15499
9/19/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Yeah they sent out a tech twice who feels that it's perfectly within Samsung standards ......rolleyes.gif
I guess I just have to have a Samsung tech come out

What size TV is it? Usually the flashlighting will get better over time. The lower you keep the backlight, the better it will look for now. What do you have the backlight on now?
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post #3911 of 15499
9/19/12 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Yeah they sent out a tech twice who feels that it's perfectly within Samsung standards ......rolleyes.gif
I guess I just have to have a Samsung tech come out

Screw all that. File a service request with Samsung. Having an actual Sam Tech come out, and looking at the issue goes much further than what you've experienced. Trust me, I know. Samsung has been really good so far to work with.
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post #3912 of 15499
9/19/12 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

But how can we make sure Micro Dimming isn't a great future when it is combined with ce dimming at this moment? We just not have the objectivity at this moment to conclude if this advertising is false or not. The only thing we can say is that future's are combined and made unadjustable without our knowing. But that doesn't mean we can yet say something objectively about the function itself.

You're missing my point. The point is that whether micro-dimming is a great feature that works wonders, or completely worthless, or something in between - regardless, it isn't even active in movie or 3D modes. Yet there's no mention of that in their advertising, which implies that micro-dimming is always enabled. Their manuals and owner's literature doesn't even mention that movie mode and 3D modes don't have it enabled.
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post #3913 of 15499
9/19/12 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by ronin22 View Post

Ok so I was just on with samsungs live chat support and they honestly believe that doing a factory reset will fix my flash lighting and clouding issues:eek:

It's this ignorance from Samsung, and other companies as well, that makes me sad. If their own employees don't have a clue about their own products that they're supposed to be providing help for, then what chance do we, the owners, have? These companies should be ashamed of themselves for offering such poor customer service.
Edited by eagle_2 - 9/19/12 at 7:31pm
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post #3914 of 15499
9/19/12 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

It's this ignorance from Samsung, and other companies as well, that makes me sad. If their own employees don't have a clue about their own products that they're supposed to be providing help for, then what chance do we, the owners, have? These companies should be ashamed of themselves for offering such poor customer service.

Hang on a bit dude. CS might be bad for certain types of things, but not all. I have yet to talk with anyone that wasn't courteous, or helping with my situation. Just sayin'
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post #3915 of 15499
9/19/12 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Op's Guy View Post

Hang on a bit dude. CS might be bad for certain types of things, but not all. I have yet to talk with anyone that wasn't courteous, or helping with my situation. Just sayin'

Their level 1 sucks.. You probably been dealing with the Executive Customer relations Dept. they are more helpful. It all depends on who you get. I just spoke to someone at the OOP office yesterday who was not helpful at all and kinda talked down to forums like this. He also was not interested in looking into the issues i explained... But, when I called today, I got my main contact on the phone who's really cool and very helpful.
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post #3916 of 15499
9/19/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

You're missing my point. The point is that whether micro-dimming is a great feature that works wonders, or completely worthless, or something in between - regardless, it isn't even active in movie or 3D modes. Yet there's no mention of that in their advertising, which implies that micro-dimming is always enabled. Their manuals and owner's literature doesn't even mention that movie mode and 3D modes don't have it enabled.

Agreed, nor do their higher-ups seem to even realize it until they research it. Odd.
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post #3917 of 15499
9/19/12 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Their level 1 sucks.. You probably been dealing with the Executive Customer relations Dept. they are more helpful. It all depends on who you get. I just spoke to someone at the OOP office yesterday who was not helpful at all and kinda talked down to forums like this. He also was not interested in looking into the issues i explained... But, when I called today, I got my main contact on the phone who's really cool and very helpful.

Have no clue as to level etc...I'm no fan of what may, or may not be going on with either the MDU or CE dimming, but how much longer can a handful of people on a discussion board beat the horse. The conspiracy theory thing is just ridiculous. I truly hate that issues exist, but they do. Ongoing bashing here is just spinning the proverbial wheel.

I'm sure Samsung knows what they are doing, for better or worse. I for one am still holding out hope that something gets done with what I consider the real issue. Panel flaws.

Even-though I have a slightly defective panel the picture and overall performance is quite good. No, I do not sit and watch DVD movies, 3D, hook my Mac up too it, or constantly fiddle with this or that, I just watch TV. That's what I bought it for. Maybe that's my problem. Ranting over...
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post #3918 of 15499
9/19/12 at 8:18pm
You got to be kidding. Why should a seller accept a return for a set you're having buyer's remorse over? If there's a defect I understand, but if you simply didn't know what you were buying because you didn't or couldn't see it play in a store sorry, that's YOUR fault. The exact reason I didn't buy a Samsung LED. I first liked it very much as a first impression, as seen in a store, then saw it in several stores and actually viwed it playing different kinds of media for over an hour and decided aganist it and settled on a Panny plasma instead. You can't expect any store to play endless rounds of ship it, if the customer don't like it, oh, we will take it back, suffer a loss and try to unload it at a discount on somebody else. It don't work that way. I seem many posters in this forum think they should be able to do that.
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post #3919 of 15499
9/19/12 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

You got to be kidding. Why should a seller accept a return for a set you're having buyer's remorse over? If there's a defect I understand, but if you simply didn't know what you were buying because you didn't or couldn't see it play in a store sorry, that's YOUR fault. The exact reason I didn't buy a Samsung LED. I first liked it very much as a first impression, as seen in a store, then saw it in several stores and actually viwed it playing different kinds of media for over an hour and decided aganist it and settled on a Panny plasma instead. You can't expect any store to play endless rounds of ship it, if the customer don't like it, oh, we will take it back, suffer a loss and try to unload it at a discount on somebody else. It don't work that way. I seem many posters in this forum think they should be able to do that.

Not all stores carry all models. Therefor some people buy it online and just go by reviews and word of mouth, etc.. Without seeing it first. Also, it's very hard to go by what it looks like in a store with the bright lighting they all have and most TV's being on torch mode.

Also, that's why there's a thing called a 30 day return policy. Costco has a 90 day and some members of Best Buy get 60 days to return whatever they aren't happy with. Usually the dealer/store wants the customer to be 100% happy with their purchase.

This is why Amazon is so popular. Do you seriously think people are going to spend thousands of dollars on products and then have to keep something they aren't happy with? That's just crazy and dude, you sound just like a Salesman from P.C... Hmmm.. Or maybe your stuck in the old days before the Internet shopping.
Edited by Anthony5362 - 9/20/12 at 3:23am
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post #3920 of 15499
9/19/12 at 9:16pm
I'm just afraid that if I keep this TV past my 30 days and then read how perfect the new Sony is, I'll be really upset I didn't return it. I just want to have a TV to use as just a TV also, but I also don't want see imperfections every time I'm trying to watch it.

I mostly use it for Cable TV and my Apple TV. I'm extremely happy with my D8000 from last year. I never once complained about it or even joined this forum until I got this series.
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post #3921 of 15499
9/19/12 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

You're missing my point. The point is that whether micro-dimming is a great feature that works wonders, or completely worthless, or something in between - regardless, it isn't even active in movie or 3D modes. Yet there's no mention of that in their advertising, which implies that micro-dimming is always enabled. Their manuals and owner's literature doesn't even mention that movie mode and 3D modes don't have it enabled.

I have not missed it. I agree with you on this aspect.
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post #3922 of 15499
9/20/12 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

You got to be kidding. Why should a seller accept a return for a set you're having buyer's remorse over? If there's a defect I understand, but if you simply didn't know what you were buying because you didn't or couldn't see it play in a store sorry, that's YOUR fault. The exact reason I didn't buy a Samsung LED. I first liked it very much as a first impression, as seen in a store, then saw it in several stores and actually viwed it playing different kinds of media for over an hour and decided aganist it and settled on a Panny plasma instead. You can't expect any store to play endless rounds of ship it, if the customer don't like it, oh, we will take it back, suffer a loss and try to unload it at a discount on somebody else. It don't work that way. I seem many posters in this forum think they should be able to do that.

You sound like a salesman. I guess the consumer is supposed to have no rights at all. How exactly are people supposed to try out blu-ray and 3D in-store? My local Best Buys do not allow such a thing - you can sample what they have connected, and that's it - and all they have connected is a lousy, crappy, aliasing-riddled mess of a demo that loops the same content every 2 minutes. That's a fair test for a tv? I asked once if I could play some content on one set with my USB stick and the guy didn't even know how to get it out of demo mode so he wouldn't let me. And then we have companies advertising features we may or may not even have depending on what mode we settle for. Plus, are you suggesting that I go into stores to play with their tvs for an hour or two, then go buy it online after I decide what set I like? I'm sure retail stores love you.

I'll tell you one thing - I've tried the Panasonic plasmas (ST50) this year, and there was no way I could test the 3D until I had one in my house. I returned it due to several reasons, including a line on the right of the screen, but even if the screen was perfect, it would have gotten returned because the 3D was dreadful on that set. This one blows it out of the water. So according to you I shouldn't have been able to return it just because the 3D was lousy? Why not?
Edited by eagle_2 - 9/20/12 at 4:55am
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post #3923 of 15499
9/20/12 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Every led/LCD manufacturer has a form of CE-dimming in their sets.
Dead pixels are nor normal, although with millions of pixels on the screen, it's normal for the odd user to encounter them, that is also why there's warranty and return policies.
All manufacturers have these issues, they sell millions of them. Not everyone will be happy, there are limitations in current manufacturing, no set is without issue, not led, not plasma, nothing. I agree with the high price we pay, it could/should be better, but facts are facts. Because larger screens show this more, higher end sets are normally bigger.

Agreed and well said which is precisely why I limited my screen size to 60". Every minor flaw manifests more pronounced as you increase screen size. After months of shopping I am confident that for my expectations 60" strikes the perfect balance with todays technology. I could have easily stepped up to a 70" Sharp Quattron in this price range...but the Samsung was simply better. The LG is inferior...

Plasma, yes...they absolutely have their own issues....I have witnessed since at the start of my shopping I was almost pre-determined to get a plasma...and then I saw carefully all of their quirks..

Dead pixel, return your set.
Dont like micro-dim or flashlight, return your set and roll the dice on plasma.
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post #3924 of 15499
9/20/12 at 7:11am
The flip side of your narrow opinion is other people end up paying higher prices because a handful of people that have no idea what they're doing or what they want keep playing musical chairs trying, then sending back one make/model after another. If you don't think that cost doesn't get passed on to the consumer, you don't know anything about retailing. Now I can sympathize with you if there is really something physically wrong with the set such as a defect or even a design flaw, but we both know that's not what you're talking about. You picked a set you thought you would like based almost totally on comments and reviewers others made without first seeing the set in operation yourself. Now for that error in judgement, you want to undo the deal and pass the cost of your poor decision on to everyone else. The bottom line is simply allowed to do this without cost will you try another make/model, get it home and repeat the return process if you don't like the next make/model you pick out?

I'm afriad you are just making excusses. The make/model you're talking about in every store I've seen it displayed was displayed in a darkened display room, like all the premium sets are. The so-called "flashlighting" and clouding "issue" has been talked about to death in this and similar forums. That should have raised a red flag with you. This is why I invested the time going to at least 10 different stores to SEE the make and models I was considering in person and displaying all kinds of media. Yeah, it can bug the sales staff, buy hey, that's what they're there for.
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post #3925 of 15499
9/20/12 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

The flip side of your narrow opinion is other people end up paying higher prices because a handful of people that have no idea what they're doing or what they want keep playing musical chairs trying, then sending back one make/model after another. If you don't think that cost doesn't get passed on to the consumer, you don't know anything about retailing. Now I can sympathize with you if there is really something physically wrong with the set such as a defect or even a design flaw, but we both know that's not what you're talking about. You picked a set you thought you would like based almost totally on comments and reviewers others made without first seeing the set in operation yourself. Now for that error in judgement, you want to undo the deal and pass the cost of your poor decision on to everyone else. The bottom line is simply allowed to do this without cost will you try another make/model, get it home and repeat the return process if you don't like the next make/model you pick out?
I'm afriad you are just making excusses. The make/model you're talking about in every store I've seen it displayed was displayed in a darkened display room, like all the premium sets are. The so-called "flashlighting" and clouding "issue" has been talked about to death in this and similar forums. That should have raised a red flag with you. This is why I invested the time going to at least 10 different stores to SEE the make and models I was considering in person and displaying all kinds of media. Yeah, it can bug the sales staff, buy hey, that's what they're there for.

Dude, flashlight/clouding is a flaw. Some sets have it and some sets don't. That's why there's a thing called "the panel lottery". Also, would you say a dead pixel and Verical banding isn't a flaw also? I hear what your saying that its not good to buy things knowing your going to return them. That's something I never do and I'm actually against, cause its the people that do that, that are just ruining it for the people that really have issues and need to return something. Eventually, all these dealers are going to have stricter return policy's if people are doing that. But with these TV's being shipped/ delivered, tossed around, I'm sure you heard about the videos on YouTube where FedEx and UPS drivers are throwing around TV's, then there's bound to be a lot of returns.

On another note though, after all this talk about marketing scams and Micro Dimming, it made me remember last year when Samung had a big issue with some of their low end 3d models. They were advertising that they were Full HD 3D when really they weren't. When that got noticed, they quietly changed their boxes and description and offered customers who purchased them either refunds, or discounts.

So really, Samsung cant blame us consumers for worrying or wondering how this Micro dimming is working in our sets. They should be explaining a lot better than they are. For all we know, out TV's don't have any Micro Dimmimg and the only difference between the 8000 and 7500, and 6000's is the design, and Different Smart features like facial recognition and motion control, Evo kit, etc.. Maybe it's only Ce dimming in all the sets and were paying extra thinking we have Micro dimming when maybe we don't. They fooled people with 3D why not full people who would probably never even think of Micro Dimmimg.

Samsungs very shady... I wouldn't be surprised if they did do this. I mean, look what they did with the 9000 series.. Nothing different from the D8000 but the 75" size. Now, do you think people would be paying 9k for a 75" if they knew its just a D8000 with a pop up camera? That TV is no where close to being worth 9k.. It doesn't have Full Array backlighting so it didn't cost more to make.
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post #3926 of 15499
9/20/12 at 8:21am
I wasn't going to get involved in this because I don't want to go off topic here, but I finally decided to anyway because I've read every page of this thread. I understand what you're saying, Billy, and it may not be cool to test drive sets in your home, but 99% of the people here who have returned these Samsung sets in this thread, did so for another Samsung because of defects. Do I have flashlighing or clouding? Yep, but it's so minimal and inherent to the tech that no one here with my set would be complaining about it, let alone returning it. People here are returning or getting panel replacements because of issues like this or banding that is excessive, or because of dead/stuck pixels. There were only a couple people who either returned to wait for better tech or to go with a different brand. And even in those cases - it's almost impossible to judge a set correctly in a store setup. The percentage of people actually returning good sets is so low that the price passed on to consumers is hardly worth mentioning. Good resellers know this and with word of mouth, the good resellers get more business that the PC Rich companies of the world. Now the price being passed on to us because of returned bad sets because of poor QC is a different story. As for the software issues that a lot of people right now are complaining about, I haven't read of one person returning for that reason. These threads are here for the few people like us, and if enough of a stink can be created for us to gain a simple firmware update to help give everyone the extra control over software that we want, then everyone who knows how to use those features will benefit. Again, I understand you saying, "Why should a seller accept a return for a set you're having buyer's remorse over?", but one, that's hardly what is happening here 99% of the time, and two, companies wanting more business have a "100 Satisfaction" clause for a reason. Will you make out better in the roulette game with a different brand? I personally doubt it in a similar price range. Every tech has its plusses and minuses. These are AMAZING TVs when you get a good one. Everyone here knows that.
Edited by Garnoch - 9/20/12 at 9:41am
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post #3927 of 15499
9/20/12 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

On another note though, after all this talk about marketing scams and Micro Dimming, it made me remember last year when Samung had a big issue with some of their low end 3d models. They were advertising that they were Full HD 3D when really they weren't. When that got noticed, they quietly changed their boxes and description and offered customers who purchased them either refunds, or discounts.

Excellent example of how we have every right to be suspicious of the whole micro-dimming/auto-dimming/CE-dimming. I remember that issue last year also. They took advantage of their customers, hoping they would not realize it. They did, and Samsung was forced to come clean. Another example is them using cheap defective capacitors. Do you think they would have stopped using them if not for the lawsuit?

And well said, Garnoch.
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post #3928 of 15499
9/20/12 at 1:17pm
Looks like the new Sonys started shipping and there's already an official owners thread on here. So far, just a couple people took delivery today. Can't wait to hear what they have to say..
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9/20/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Looks like the new Sonys started shipping and there's already an official owners thread on here. So far, just a couple people took delivery today. Can't wait to hear what they have to say..

Interesting....
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post #3930 of 15499
9/20/12 at 3:42pm
I have a un60es8000 television. It's imperfect but i'm happy with it. It's my first big-screen flat pannel (coming from a 27 inch IPS 2560x1440 computer screen and a 1080p 23" tv from samsung) it is without a doubt a pleasure to watch. It holds nowhere near the quality of my IPS but the experience is drastically more impressive.

My TVs greatest faults are the corners, or rather a few inches from the corners. In those areas it is clearly "brighter" or "whiter" then anywhere else on the screen. I only notice it on very dark images and none of my friends have ever noticed it, but I do and I wish it wern't there.

The next greatest fault is all of the fluff that I paid for. The voice control is terrible, completely worthless and simply not effective.... but worse then the voice is the motion control. It simply does not work. I also really don't use any of the web features or applications. in short, none of the fluff is of any value to me and i suspect it's of highly limited value to anyone else. It is what it is.

Lastly is the price, its drastically over priced. I paid a huge premium for fluff that is generally unusable.



All of that crying aside, im still happy with my TV. The picture is imperfect, the "features" are ineffective but none the less I have no intention of trading it in. I suspect there are vastly better deals out there but for me, this thing is just fine.

It's extremely thin (mounted on my wall it gets a LOT of notice from everyone that has seen it... if you buy this TV and don't get a low-profile wall mount then you are doing it a great injustice) and very handsome all around. The image quality from about 10 feet away, with 1080p, is absolutelly flawless with the slight exception of very dark scenes and only in the corners.



This may not be the most technically perfect image on the market, or the best deal, but it is without a doubt the most impressive over-all presenter I have ever seen. and for someone like me, who often has business clients in his house..... This is the single greatest television ever sold.
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