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post #5761 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I think he said it was the same for BD, Nitra, which is why I didn't think it was artifacts.

This simply wouldn't happen.
I've been dealing with video compression since the early 90's, I'm telling you 100%, that's exactly what's on the screen, without a doubt at all.

Unfortunately, this issue is only getting worse, they are taking many MPEG2 sources that are 18-22 Megabits and knocking them down to 8-12.
What's worse, is some providers are using MPEG4 now, but the MPEG4 sources are taken from the already highly compressed MPEG2 signals.
Had they taken them from the uncompressed MPEG2, the issue wouldn't be near as apparent.
Edited by nitra - 10/18/12 at 6:08am
post #5762 of 16125
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post #5763 of 16125
Nitra, the last picture was Bluray. Also why is Samsing refunding me if its just compression artifacts? Why did the engineers at Samsumg say its a panel issue? Wow! Now your reallimg not helping anyone on here by confusing people. That link I posted clearly states their are issues with the boards on the 3D models. I didn't realize 3D was around back in 2008

I've been around film all my life. I know what compression artifacts looks like. Yes, it looks very similar to my pics, but those pics aren't really showing the issues that great.

The tech was here twice. 2 different ones. Comcast supervisor was here along with an electrician. I don't go blabbing about things until I know for a fact about something.
And a know for a fact that Samsung is having issues with these panels
post #5764 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Well, that's that then. I'm not going to update for now. Thanks, Rico.
Eagle, thanks for letting us know about CE with this update.
Good to see ya, Nitra! How about a joke please.

Garnoch - - your option. I'm thinking that maybe something happened on the update with my set that didn't take properly. The full "reset" (not just picture reset) restored factory settings WITH the new firmware. Anthony was right - - no rolling back of the firmware update. And I think I'll perform all future updates via the USB - - maybe there was a hiccup in the file that was downloaded from the Internet directly to my TV.

That being said, after going through this I probably wouldn't have done the update (Standby Mode set to "No"). I'm always torn on what to do since I believe that the manufacturer provides these updates for a reason - -picture & performance, plus other features like Crazy Birds (joking), etc., that I'll never use. It's kind of like a computer company that I worked for in the 80's and one of the salesman came back from a meeting and said, "We have solutions to problems that don't exist." That's the way I feel about a lot of the features of the UN65ES8000 set - - I'd settle for a great picture and maybe Amazon streaming capability and a faster browser that is flash capable.

At any rate, Samsung was good about it but as always, it takes some time and repeating (insisting) of what you need to get through. And always, always, document (written) and go through the "chat" function as opposed to phone support. That has been my experience. Phone support is very frustrating.

Even the "chat" response was to try switching the setting to "Dynamic." No mention of the full "reset" - - which Nitra advised me to try and apparently worked. IMHO.

Now - - looking forward to Prometheus - - which was ordered this past Sunday from 3D Bluray Rental and hopefully, will be received today. They have a funky ordering system - - no queue, per se, a single request with documented date that you return the disk out on loan with date noted on their communications via their website. That's o.k. - - as long as they deliver properly and the discs work.
post #5765 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Anthony5362 View Post

Nitra, the last picture was Bluray. Also why is Samsing refunding me if its just compression artifacts? Why did the engineers at Samsumg say its a panel issue? Wow! Now your reallimg not helping anyone on here by confusing people. That link I posted clearly states their are issues with the boards on the 3D models. I didn't realize 3D was around back in 2008
I've been around film all my life. I know what compression artifacts looks like. Yes, it looks very similar to my pics, but those pics aren't really showing the issues that great.
The tech was here twice. 2 different ones. Comcast supervisor was here along with an electrician. I don't go blabbing about things until I know for a fact about something.
And a know for a fact that Samsung is having issues with these panels

What Blu-Ray?
post #5766 of 16125
I have a crazy day today with Samsung. I don't have time to keep posting my issues over and over on here and I don't have time to keep backing up what I'm saying. I have a feeling that these 2 days left this week, are the days I'm finally going to find out about the Micro-dimming and I need to keep focus on that. Don't forget, Im the only one here that seems to have the connections to find this out. No one else seems to be doing anything about it but me.

I hear what your saying. I also have compression artifacts going on. But this is different. It's really hard to show it through pictures but Samsung realizes their is an issue because I'm not the only one with this problem. They have been getting many others with the same issue.

And I highly doubt Samsung would be cutting me a check for over $7K if it was the blu rays fault
post #5767 of 16125
OMG!!! Anyway, due to the log-jam of my DVR schedule for Sunday night I had to attach my antenna and run the tuner prog. The OTA picture is quite amazing. This TV has the best OTA tuner utility and picture quality of all my hdtv's ever.

In order to put health concerns to rest, i purchased a 3yr warranty from DTVExpress.

LOVE THIS TV! ... It's a bromance with technology at it's most romantic level...me, my chair and my remotes!
post #5768 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

OMG!!! Anyway, due to the log-jam of my DVR schedule for Sunday night I had to attach my antenna and run the tuner prog. The OTA picture is quite amazing. This TV has the best OTA tuner utility and picture quality of all my hdtv's ever.
In order to put health concerns to rest, i purchased a 3yr warranty from DTVExpress.
LOVE THIS TV! ... It's a bromance with technology at it's most romantic level...me, my chair and my remotes!

OTA is full bandwidth channels, little or no compression!
It's freaking crazy how good it is. 1080i or 720p!
post #5769 of 16125
Yes.. I forgot to also mention the cable guy did attach something to get the over the air and the picture did look good, better than my cable but, unfortunately, my issue was still there.

We tried everything.. Remember Nitra, this has been going on for over a month now. I went down the whole list from the electricity, power conditioner, having Comcast come out , having the tech come out twice.. I wish it was just compression artifacts. Trust me!! I don't feel like going out now and having to buy 3 new sets all over again. I just finally had 2 of them mounted on the wall. It's a huge hassle to go through.
post #5770 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

Anthony, these are MPEG compression artifacts, nothing more.
Talk to your cable provider, this is NOT a Samsung issue.
Period, Full stop.
Please, go an learn something about compression before you slam Samsung more.
The problem you are having is from your cable provider, for the last few months, you posted a few pictures like this, it's all MPEG compression.
Unfortunately, for more network capacity, the providers need to compress the signal, the more channels they add, the more they compress it, it's just a fact of life.
Play a Blu-ray on the same set, it will be flawless.
The issue is, as I've said before, your source.
Stop flaming Samsung over this, go flame whoever your cable provider is.

nitra......I'm not a fan of Samsung at all but I have to agree with you on this one. Even Directv, which has excellent HD, has MPEG compression issues at times...I think all Cable providers do because of what you said "Unfortunately, for more network capacity, the providers need to compress the signal, the more channels they add, the more they compress it, it's just a fact of life". However that being said Samsung has been having panel issues which they have been acknowledging. But that may not be the case here. He should try a Blu ray and if it shows up there then its a panel issue.
post #5771 of 16125
According to Samsung, they stopped production on the 65 Inch model to focus production of their new 9000 series. Additionally, they acknowledged there were 'bugs' with the 65 Inch and have since fixed the issues. Now... that's according to a rep at an exp... however, my local BB manager told me they recently sold 3 65 inch models in the last week and there have been no complaints/exchanges. That's the most he's sold without complaints. Additionally, BB now orders directly from the manufacturing facility on an 'as need' basis.
post #5772 of 16125
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

nitra......I'm not a fan of Samsung at all but I have to agree with you on this one. Even Directv, which has excellent HD, has MPEG compression issues at times...I think all Cable providers do because of what you said "Unfortunately, for more network capacity, the providers need to compress the signal, the more channels they add, the more they compress it, it's just a fact of life". However that being said Samsung has been having panel issues which they have been acknowledging. But that may not be the case here. He should try a Blu ray and if it shows up there then its a panel issue.

It should also be noted.
Not all Blu-rays are equal, just because it's on a blu-ray doesn't mean it's going to be in perfect HD quality. Unfortunately, this is very true with bargain bin Blu-rays and older transfers.
Some of them were taken directly from the DVD sources and dumped on BD, they show massive artifacts, almost worse then the DVD sources.
When doing tests, it's best to pick something with a modern transfer that's been well vetted as being the best quality.
A quick check to Blu-ray.com will give you a solid list.
post #5773 of 16125
This was on all Blu rays. The Samsung tech didn't even want to see my cable. He went statist to the Blu rays to avoid the this issue. Guys, Samsung has admitted to me that there is a panel issue going on. It's been creeping up now for 2 years. I think its finally rearing its head now though.

Ok, I just had a 70+ PM me. Listen, all I am trying to get out to everyone is that they make sure they buy an extended warranty for these sets. Once you do, you can enjoy it for a whole 4 years without worrying about one single thing. There is no reason why you guys should not be enjoying your sets. Just because I'm going thru a heck of a time, doesn't mean you are going to as well. Samsung is really behind right now and is swamped with issues to tend to.
They are giving me a hard time because I was giving them a hard time for this stupid Micro dimming feature.
post #5774 of 16125
Interesting comments about the OTA signals and the quality. I generally am very happy with my DirecTV signals for HD, but am always looking for additional options Besides, it's fun to play with different sources and the TV in general.

Can you get a good a HD signal using an Indoor OTA antenna? I would love to try to this out, but I really don't want to go through the mounting of an external antenna.

I appreciate any thoughts on this!


BTW - Bladerunner, I am having a bromance with my TV as well. When my wife found out that I could talk to it, she was sure it was going to be the end. I am constantly buying or renting Blu Rays or 3d content to enjoy - it's kind of like the first HDTV I bought back in 2002, where I was so amazed by the HD quality, I was watching the demo channels for HD. Now I am watching any high quality Blu Ray that showcases the amazing picture.
post #5775 of 16125
Nitra, this is soo true. I knew this already from being in the film biz, but the Samsung tech wanted to see multiple blu rays. He wouldn't settle on just a couple. I understood why though and this is very true
post #5776 of 16125
You can get really good small indoor antennas on a amazon.com. Yes, you would not believe the difference. It's pretty shocking that the over the air which is free looks so much better than cable HD
post #5777 of 16125
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

OTA is full bandwidth channels, little or no compression!
It's freaking crazy how good it is. 1080i or 720p!

OTA is a great signal with lack of compression. I've had an antenna in the space below my roof (ranch house) ever since HDTV became available in Denver (first through OTA - cable & satellite came later). I became an HDTV convert by being able to access high definition content over the air - - especially football and other programming before they fully built out the HDTV towers in Colorado (they used to broadcast from the Republic Towers, downtown Denver, before the Lookout Mountain "Super Tower" was approved in 2008.)

It's also a great backup (antenna - OTA) in case your cable or satellite provider is having problems. (Also - - I found out that cable (Comcast) compresses signals much higher than Directv - satellite. I had to ditch Comcast when I couldn't properly run two HDTV sets in my house. They also blew off two home appointments which sealed the deal for Directv.)

Previously - - the quality of the picture was better via OTA as opposed through satellite running through my Yamaha RX-A2000. That was with an older Samsung HLT 5676S DLP set.

Now - it's a push with satellite and the capabilities of the Sammy ES8000. And, everything is upscaled to 1080P via the Yamaha RX-A2000. I'm wondering if I can run the antenna through the Directv receiver but I'm not sure I'd gain that much improvement. Plus - - by keeping everything on satellite - - I can switch back and forth, easier, to NFL ticket to see all the NFL games in hi def.

Lastly - - for those of you who have Amazon Instant Video (Streaming) - - the Ken Burns documentary "Prohibition" has some unbelievable old 1910-1925 black and white photos that show up beautifully on the Samsung set. I mean, it's like you're there.

I watched it late last night (I'm on vacation for the rest of the week) - - with a bourbon, of course!

Lastly - - if you do have Amazon Instant Video streaming service - - check out the foreign version of "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" (adaptation of the Swedish novel by Stieg Larsson) - that has three movies and is subtitled. They are a great watch.
post #5778 of 16125
Nice post, Anthony. I am and will continue to enjoy mine. Good luck with yours.
post #5779 of 16125
I've been hearing great things about the ES9000. I've been hearing that there's hardly any calls in with complaints with this model. I may end up getting one of these and 2 55" Sonys.
post #5780 of 16125
Yeah I've been thinking of getting an antenna too. My dad has Dish and had DirecTV but has also always had an antenna. The Antenna puts the others to shame. Sports look like they're coming off Bluray.
post #5781 of 16125
Although JewDaddy agreed the 9000 was better, it still had slight banding if I recall but it may be better than what yours has anyway. He didn't think is was perfect enough for the cost though and returned it.
post #5782 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

OTA is a great signal with lack of compression. I've had an antenna in the space below my roof (ranch house) ever since HDTV became available in Denver (first through OTA - cable & satellite came later). I became an HDTV convert by being able to access high definition content over the air - - especially football and other programming before they fully built out the HDTV towers in Colorado (they used to broadcast from the Republic Towers, downtown Denver, before the Lookout Mountain "Super Tower" was approved in 2008.)
It's also a great backup (antenna - OTA) in case your cable or satellite provider is having problems. (Also - - I found out that cable (Comcast) compresses signals much higher than Directv - satellite. I had to ditch Comcast when I couldn't properly run two HDTV sets in my house. They also blew off two home appointments which sealed the deal for Directv.)
Previously - - the quality of the picture was better via OTA as opposed through satellite running through my Yamaha RX-A2000. That was with an older Samsung HLT 5676S DLP set.
Now - it's a push with satellite and the capabilities of the Sammy ES8000. And, everything is upscaled to 1080P via the Yamaha RX-A2000. I'm wondering if I can run the antenna through the Directv receiver but I'm not sure I'd gain that much improvement. Plus - - by keeping everything on satellite - - I can switch back and forth, easier, to NFL ticket to see all the NFL games in hi def.
Lastly - - for those of you who have Amazon Instant Video (Streaming) - - the Ken Burns documentary "Prohibition" has some unbelievable old 1910-1925 black and white photos that show up beautifully on the Samsung set. I mean, it's like you're there.
I watched it late last night (I'm on vacation for the rest of the week) - - with a bourbon, of course!
Lastly - - if you do have Amazon Instant Video streaming service - - check out the foreign version of "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" (adaptation of the Swedish novel by Stieg Larsson) - that has three movies and is subtitled. They are a great watch.

I too have the NFL Sunday ticket, and am hoping to use the OTA signal for the local games via PIP, along with the Red Zone channel through my DirecTV box. Other than the occasional loss of signal due to the storms, I have no complaints with DirecTV. Their signal quality has been great overall.

The Dragoon Tattoo series - the books, 3 foreign films, and the recently released domestic version of the first film are all very good. I would recommend these to anyone as well.
post #5783 of 16125
Rico, my father ran his antenna through Dish and Directv to be able to record them. It looked the same both ways
post #5784 of 16125
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

I too have the NFL Sunday ticket, and am hoping to use the OTA signal for the local games via PIP, along with the Red Zone channel through my DirecTV box. Other than the occasional loss of signal due to the storms, I have no complaints with DirecTV. Their signal quality has been great overall.
The Dragoon Tattoo series - the books, 3 foreign films, and the recently released domestic version of the first film are all very good. I would recommend these to anyone as well.

I too use the OTA for all my locals and it's much better than what I get with my provider. Only problem you will encounter is channel 2 (WESH). It is difficult to get that one.
post #5785 of 16125
Let me fix what I just said other wise I sound like a hypocrite. If I buy the ES9000 its because I'm getting it at a heavily discounted price. I would never pay $9K for an edge lit led. And I would never recommend anyone else because its no where near that cost. But for $ 6,500 I think its worth it. I don't like to go through my family for things cause sometimes its a hassle so I usually just buy it on my own, but I would have to use the corporate account of I buy this model. I also would be getting directly from Samsung and not a retailer.
post #5786 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Rico, my father ran his antenna through Dish and Directv to be able to record them. It looked the same both ways

Garnoch - - probably so but if you have an AV Receiver with video upscaling - - then the uncompressed signal (720P or 1080i & even the 480P signals (geez, Louise, where did they get all these holly roller stations?) - will be upconverted to 1080P.

Maybe a slight difference in quality but it's also more convenient to just switch the input to "TV" and move through the channels that way. You're right - if you're not using an AV receiver with upscale video processing, then it's just a straight pass through from the Directv receiver to your TV.

Only issue I have with is audio - - which can be addressed to the receiver via the ARC HDMI input, but that is HDMI 2 on this set and was kind of a pain in the butt to use. I could run a optical Toslink for the audio (only 5.1 - that's the max that is broadcast) but I find that the satellite signal is pretty close to the OTA signal once it's upscaled to 1080P via my home theater system.

Either way - - OTA is a great backup and will provide you with a lot of free channels if your main provider (cable or satellite) isn't broadcasting for some technical reason.

Also - - the best investment I made for my Directv was to install a "dish heater" to melt the snow in the winter time. Instead of falling on my keester every winter (I should have made some videos of me climbing up the roof and looking like it was my first time on skates) - - the dish heater does a fabulous job of providing an uninterrupted signal if your satellite dish is on your roof and not easily accessible.
post #5787 of 16125
I'm going to say this now cause I've never said this yet, but I'm more upset with Samsung because of this Micro-dimming mystery. They have been giving me the run around since last month. They can't ever just answer the question and they keep saying they are sending me an Email that I can post to you all and I never get it. This bothers me more than the issues I'm having with my TVs.
post #5788 of 16125
Rico, I think I just misunderstood what you had earlier said. I thought you were wondering if you could go directly into your STB. My bad.
post #5789 of 16125
Things were going fine today, Badboi.
post #5790 of 16125
On boy.. Here we go round 2 today.. I have 4 pages from so many of you thanking me and also telling me they are scared to say anything about Samsung on here because of all the fanboys on here. Badboi, your right. Anyone can be anyone. I don't feel the need to show my true identity just because some boi says something. Boi, sounds like what my son would say when he was 13

Wow boi, you just said it yourself. You would take your money and run.. Run away and not help anyone else. What does this say about someone who would do that? SELFISH!
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