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post #6421 of 16129
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

I'm still confused about "Reset" TV. There is reset after FW update, factory reset, simple reset. Can you please bring me some light to :
when and how proper reset should be performed ?

I've never done it so I'm not sure, but wanted to say thanks for that CE Dimming trick!
post #6422 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

Garnoch,
Have you applied cnets movie mode color and white balance settings to standard either? When you have, how is it compared to Nitra's calibration ?
I'm just wondering why a calibration done in movie mode seems to give the best result in standard ..

If I remember correctly, Nitra's calibration was only done in Movie mode too. He then deleted 10p and said we should use Standard instead. People had asked him to do another calibration in Standard and I think he said he would when he got his equipment back, but I'm not sure he ever did it.

All I was trying to do was match what I felt was an awesome Movie mode picture. And keeping the CNET movie settings almost did it. Because of the lack of 10p settings in Standard, and some other differences like a red push, I made changes to the white balance settings in Standard to match what I see in Movie. Color in my two modes are almost a perfect match after that. Don't bother with CNET's Standard calibration. It was done later as an after thought and it's terrible. And yes, I tried Nitra's settings and many many others. Nitra's may have been my second favorite I think I lived with his for about a week. For some panels, I'm sure his is best. Hard to tell. Plus we all have different wants in what our picture looks like haha.
post #6423 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

If I remember correctly, Nitra's calibration was only done in Movie mode too. He then deleted 10p and said we should use Standard instead. People had asked him to do another calibration in Standard and I think he said he would when he got his equipment back, but I'm not sure he ever did it.
All I was trying to do was match what I felt was an awesome Movie mode picture. And keeping the CNET movie settings almost did it. Because of the lack of 10p settings in Standard, and some other differences like a red push, I made changes to the white balance settings in Standard to match what I see in Movie. Color in my two modes are almost a perfect match after that. Don't bother with CNET's Standard calibration. It was done later as an after thought and it's terrible. And yes, I tried Nitra's settings and many many others. Nitra's may have been my second favorite I think I lived with his for about a week. For some panels, I'm sure his is best. Hard to tell. Plus we all have different wants in what our picture looks like haha.

Ok tnx, that's clear. I will try your settings when I get home.
post #6424 of 16129
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

I'm still confused about "Reset" TV. There is reset after FW update, factory reset, simple reset. Can you please bring me some light to :
when and how proper reset should be performed ?

If you go into "Support", "Self Diagnosis", there is an option for "Reset". You WILL lose all over your user settings on the TV. This reset should be done after applying the FW update.

Once you have performed the update, and completed the reset, the TV will restart and go through the setup screens just as it did when you first got it home You will then have to go back in and apply all of your settings.

EDIT: You will be asked for a 4 digit PIN when you do the reset. It is 0 0 0 0 by default.
post #6425 of 16129
I have geek squad coming out tomm to Cali the tv. Will these FW updates effect the tv later on down the road ??
post #6426 of 16129
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Originally Posted by JDenham View Post

I have geek squad coming out tomm to Cali the tv. Will these FW updates effect the tv later on down the road ??

Good question. I would do the FW update before the calibration, just so they are working with the latest update. My GUESS is that their settings would be retained, but someone else needs to answer that question who has gone through the calibration as well as FW updates.

I have a question along those lines as well. My understanding is that Geek Squad comes out and they give you two new "modes" , right? Cal Day and Cal Night or something to that effect? So my current settings for Movie and Standard would be retained?

Also - with the issue of the Color adjustments (Color Space Submenu) being applied globally, across all modes currently, wouldn't their calibration be effected by the same issue?
post #6427 of 16129
Correct you get those two new modes - if they do it right.

There was one firmware updated what wiped everyone's settings - but calday and calnight were retained.

The colorspace issue is a GREAT question and should be checked asked when they are there.

Make sure all your settings are written down before hand.
post #6428 of 16129
I have an ES7500 but the thread for that is not very active and my question should still apply to the 8000. I was wondering if there was a way to get audio to the PIP function of the tv. It seems they added PIP as an after thought but I use my tv as my computer monitor and used pip all the time with my last samsung tv from 5 years ago which had a lot more options when it came to the PIP function.
post #6429 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Maligx View Post

I have an ES7500 but the thread for that is not very active and my question should still apply to the 8000. I was wondering if there was a way to get audio to the PIP function of the tv. It seems they added PIP as an after thought but I use my tv as my computer monitor and used pip all the time with my last samsung tv from 5 years ago which had a lot more options when it came to the PIP function.

I'm not sure but there might be two ways to do this - and predicated that your TV has "ARC" like the ES8000 has - - otherwise, solution (2)

(1) Using the ARC - Audio Return Channel on HDMI 2. Depending on your setup, if you switch "focus" from one picture to the next (say satellite to TV (Antenna) or vice versa) - the audio should travel back. But...it might be a different audio "source" input that what you are currently hearing, audio wise.

(2) Optical connection - - this is how I have my setup - - optical from TV to HDMI 4 for my Yamaha RX-2000. To get picture in picture, I need to use my OTA (Antenna) in conjunction with my Directv receiver. I'm limited to 5.1 audio, but that's the max audio stream from OTA TV and I stream via my Sony Bluray player - - as opposed from the Samsung TV. I also have to change my "input" from HDMI 1 to HDMI 4. ARC defaults to Audio1 in my setup. The video is from the TV source - the Samsung via OTA.
post #6430 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I'm not sure but there might be two ways to do this - and predicated that your TV has "ARC" like the ES8000 has - - otherwise, solution (2)
(1) Using the ARC - Audio Return Channel on HDMI 2. Depending on your setup, if you switch "focus" from one picture to the next (say satellite to TV (Antenna) or vice versa) - the audio should travel back. But...it might be a different audio "source" input that what you are currently hearing, audio wise.
(2) Optical connection - - this is how I have my setup - - optical from TV to HDMI 4 for my Yamaha RX-2000. To get picture in picture, I need to use my OTA (Antenna) in conjunction with my Directv receiver. I'm limited to 5.1 audio, but that's the max audio stream from OTA TV and I stream via my Sony Bluray player - - as opposed from the Samsung TV. I also have to change my "input" from HDMI 1 to HDMI 4. ARC defaults to Audio1 in my setup. The video is from the TV source - the Samsung via OTA.

Thanks but weird, I checked under "system" not sound and found PIP options to change size, position and change audio to the PIP window. Awesome. I swear I looked at the system menu before but didn't see any PIP options.
post #6431 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

If I remember correctly, Nitra's calibration was only done in Movie mode too. He then deleted 10p and said we should use Standard instead. People had asked him to do another calibration in Standard and I think he said he would when he got his equipment back, but I'm not sure he ever did it.
All I was trying to do was match what I felt was an awesome Movie mode picture. And keeping the CNET movie settings almost did it. Because of the lack of 10p settings in Standard, and some other differences like a red push, I made changes to the white balance settings in Standard to match what I see in Movie. Color in my two modes are almost a perfect match after that. Don't bother with CNET's Standard calibration. It was done later as an after thought and it's terrible. And yes, I tried Nitra's settings and many many others. Nitra's may have been my second favorite I think I lived with his for about a week. For some panels, I'm sure his is best. Hard to tell. Plus we all have different wants in what our picture looks like haha.

I did recalibrate in standard.
Changes were minor vs movie mode, also, my movie mode didn't provide 10p.

Sorry, busy at work for at least 2 more weeks.
post #6432 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I've never done it so I'm not sure, but wanted to say thanks for that CE Dimming trick!

Glad to hear you like it.
What I noticed, after raising brightness level from former level 45 to 52, brightness of upper part of white level seems to be too high, so now I also decrease contrast by 2 - 3 clicks and also RGB gain levels from 25 to 22-23.
Still experimenting with settings. I have new xrite display LT and I am preparing to calibrate my TV - studying fantastic Kal`s begginer guide now....
Without decreasing brightness and/or rgb gain, white scenes seems to be bit fatique for me...
post #6433 of 16129
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

I did recalibrate in standard.
Changes were minor vs movie mode, also, my movie mode didn't provide 10p.
Sorry, busy at work for at least 2 more weeks.

Thanks for clarifying that, Nitra. I knew you had said you wouldn't be around for a while. Good luck and hang in there.
post #6434 of 16129
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

Glad to hear you like it.
What I noticed, after raising brightness level from former level 45 to 52, brightness of upper part of white level seems to be too high, so now I also decrease contrast by 2 - 3 clicks and also RGB gain levels from 25 to 22-23.
Still experimenting with settings. I have new xrite display LT and I am preparing to calibrate my TV - studying fantastic Kal`s begginer guide now....
Without decreasing brightness and/or rgb gain, white scenes seems to be bit fatique for me...

Oh I do like. I tweaked it to work the way I wanted it too, but it's wonderful. Good luck, sounds fun!
post #6435 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Stefanhvt View Post

Garnoch,
Have you applied cnets movie mode color and white balance settings to standard either? When you have, how is it compared to Nitra's calibration ?
I'm just wondering why a calibration done in movie mode seems to give the best result in standard ..

I was very happy with Nitra's settings but recently have been experimenting with CNET's Standard settings. They seem to be overly concerned (based on things they've said in various reviews etc.) about having a blue tinge to their blacks, and possibly ignoring the red push a bit too much. Faces seemed too ruddy and unrealistic, but I really did like the way all of the other colors popped. Having said that, I'm going back to Nitra's settings of course
post #6436 of 16129
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Originally Posted by prsut View Post

I'm still confused about "Reset" TV. There is reset after FW update, factory reset, simple reset. Can you please bring me some light to :
when and how proper reset should be performed ?

Personally I believe that if you aren't experience any obvious issues after an update, don't worry about resetting. I can't believe that we're expected to do a full reset and have to go through every single input and every picture mode and punch all the numbers in again after every update. That's ridiculous. Who has time for that? Who even wants to have time for that?
post #6437 of 16129
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Originally Posted by JDenham View Post

I have geek squad coming out tomm to Cali the tv. Will these FW updates effect the tv later on down the road ??

The settings in the service menu should be retained I would imagine. How could Samsung possibly offer firmware that wiped out people's expensive calibration settings? It would be wise though to at least write down the menu settings you do have access to just for backup.

You never know what Samsung is planning to do - communication is not their strong point (that includes listening too. They could offer an update tomorrow that affects black levels, for instance. That would certainly have an effect on existing calibrations. We have been asking for micro-dimming as an option in movie mode, and to disable or give us the option to disable CE-dimming in standard, but it seems like they have no desire to do any of that. But you never know what could change. Also, they will be offering their upgrade chips at a later time, so who knows how that could affect things down the road (Provide fix for Angry Birds, Improve SmartHub, Enhance picture quality).
post #6438 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

The colorspace issue is a GREAT question and should be checked asked when they are there..

Definitely something to ask when they are there. That's something else that Samsung should fix. If they were going to fix it in a week or two I would say hold off on a calibration. But I wouldn't hold my breath on them fixing it so you could be holding out a long time on that calibration.
post #6439 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Maligx View Post

I have an ES7500 but the thread for that is not very active and my question should still apply to the 8000. I was wondering if there was a way to get audio to the PIP function of the tv. It seems they added PIP as an after thought but I use my tv as my computer monitor and used pip all the time with my last samsung tv from 5 years ago which had a lot more options when it came to the PIP function.

My old Magnavox CRT from 20 years ago had an amazing PIP system - dual tuner, you could swap the two windows with just 1 button on the remote, and you could move and resize the windows, all directly from the remote's dedicated PIP buttons. This "smart" tv's PIP is a joke compared to it. Unfortunately since there are no dedicated remote buttons for it, it is a pain to go digging your way through multiple levels of menus every time you want to swap channels or move the window, making it mostly useless.

But hey, at least we've got motion control. Right? Right?
post #6440 of 16129
Anyone experience any issues with the new FW update ??
post #6441 of 16129
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

But hey, at least we've got motion control. Right? Right?

I do not use the Motion Control anymore, but I use the new option of Mind Control which came with the latest firmware update. It is a new feature in the panel: "Voice, Motion and Mind Control".
It contains the following submenues:
- Seeing flashlighting, clouding and banding. Select between: never seen; seen; being paranoid about it; am blind.
- Microdimming: select between: dont ask questions, ask questions but dont expect answers; bunch of malarkey.
- CE-dimming: select between: greastest thing on earth; devil to be avoided.
- Cannot set color space independent for Standard and Movie: select between: bad luck; part of the fitness exercise for your fingers.
post #6442 of 16129
anyone having issues with smart hub? i have a un55es6820 that has 2 issues. i i sign into netflix and it will log me out. i have to keep inputing the email and password. been in touch with samsung and they went thru few things. said they send it up higher. heard nothing yet from them. netflix same thing. i tried few resets with no help much as it now will erase my password maybe every 4 time frown.gif. the second issue i keep getting in the netflix. caint load this video error, try later or different one. that is annoying as well. been trying to fix network settings and reseting them and get same outcome
post #6443 of 16129
Eagle and Turboman, that was awesome!!!!! Haha

I haven't seen my poor TV on since Monday. And I'm out if Jack and ice - that not even a joke.
post #6444 of 16129
Haven't had those issues, Moto. You may want to consider a full rest but write down your settings first. Or it could be an odd network firewall port thing.
post #6445 of 16129
After changing settings yesterday, and resetting everything, I decided to reenable motion settings again for the first time in awhile. I actually hadn't even tried to use them since when I first got the set in March. It seems much has been improved. I skipped the hassle of "testing the environment" etc. because I didn't want it to gripe at me about my poor lighting conditions (last time it failed), and just wanted to see if it would work. Pretty much the same lighting conditions and it works quite well now, much better than it did

I didn't want to be a conformist, but I tried Angry Birds and its actually not bad. There is always room for improvement with motion controls, but for the most part I was able to aim exactly where I wanted and it worked. I haven't tried voice controls again, but since I don't feel like screaming at my tv I'll just stick with speaking into the remote instead when I actually want to go out of my way to use voice features
post #6446 of 16129
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

I do not use the Motion Control anymore, but I use the new option of Mind Control which came with the latest firmware update. It is a new feature in the panel: "Voice, Motion and Mind Control".
It contains the following submenues:
- Seeing flashlighting, clouding and banding. Select between: never seen; seen; being paranoid about it; am blind.
- Microdimming: select between: dont ask questions, ask questions but dont expect answers; bunch of malarkey.
- CE-dimming: select between: greastest thing on earth; devil to be avoided.
- Cannot set color space independent for Standard and Movie: select between: bad luck; part of the fitness exercise for your fingers.

Well done. tongue.gif
post #6447 of 16129
I found an excellent piece of hardware to mount my Samsung soundbar: The ... "Sewell Universal Soundbar Bracket"...I bolted these onto the frame that holds the panel, they drop down and bolt to the wall-mount bracket that came with the sound bar. I dropped the bar into the slots...voila...in 15 minutes and a few leveling checks I had a sweet clean installation that got the bar OFF the the table top improving both accoustics and looks.

Super cheap, easy to find, high quality and a perfect mate for the setup.... Now, any new and exciting ways to reduce flashilighting cuz that is the only (minor) glitch in the mission.
post #6448 of 16129
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

After changing settings yesterday, and resetting everything, I decided to reenable motion settings again for the first time in awhile. I actually hadn't even tried to use them since when I first got the set in March. It seems much has been improved. I skipped the hassle of "testing the environment" etc. because I didn't want it to gripe at me about my poor lighting conditions (last time it failed), and just wanted to see if it would work. Pretty much the same lighting conditions and it works quite well now, much better than it did
I didn't want to be a conformist, but I tried Angry Birds and its actually not bad. There is always room for improvement with motion controls, but for the most part I was able to aim exactly where I wanted and it worked. I haven't tried voice controls again, but since I don't feel like screaming at my tv I'll just stick with speaking into the remote instead when I actually want to go out of my way to use voice features

Any pq issues with the new fw ?
post #6449 of 16129
any way to get this in the US? sounds awesome

https://itunes.apple.com/GB/app/id475948491?mt=8
post #6450 of 16129
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

I was very happy with Nitra's settings but recently have been experimenting with CNET's Standard settings. They seem to be overly concerned (based on things they've said in various reviews etc.) about having a blue tinge to their blacks, and possibly ignoring the red push a bit too much. Faces seemed too ruddy and unrealistic, but I really did like the way all of the other colors popped. Having said that, I'm going back to Nitra's settings of course

I agree the colors popped but just didn't like CNETs Standard calibration so I don't blame you for going back to Nitra's. I thought his were much nicer overall than those (CNET's Standard settings).
Edited by Garnoch - 11/4/12 at 4:31pm
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