Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 224

i have an 8yr old sony receiver, so no hdmi, but it's still working fine. i used the toslink from the tv out to my receiver, it does output audio, but only 2 channels like others have mentioned. i also have an old sony bluray player, last that i know of it does have some apps, so i guess i will try to update it and see if AIV and netflix will be there. since it seems clear that sammy devices only output 2 channel audio from their smarthub apps, then i'll just get another brand of bluray player. it really doesn't make much sense to have this kinda limitation, so my money goes to somebody else.

Catt99, you hit the nail on the head my friend...

I thought that one of the reasons for HDMI ARC was to allow the hub's streaming services to send 5.1 back to the receiver. So, if I understand correctly, that won't work. Does ARC work from the TV tuner?

I thought that ARC only worked using an external source, not an internal one, to help reduce cable clutter. The internal ATSC tuner will indeed pass 5.1 via optical depending on the source but that's not the same as the smart apps. I just stream everything from either the blu-ray player or the AppleTV2. The tv is just a display device.

Alright, after much reading (and considerable confusion) about this Smarthub streaming "is it 2 channel stereo or 5.1" issue I get the following conclusion (I connect STB, BD and ATV2 to AVR via HDMI, then HDMI-AVR to Samsung's HDMI2): If you use Netflix, or VuDu via Smarthub then you get 2 channel to your AVR. It may upgrade and do a pretend 5.1 but not the real deal. If you have a Netflix app on your BD player (mine is a Samsung) you can use that to stream straight to the AVR and 5.1 happens. You can use AppleTV as well for 5.1. And is doesn't matter if your Samsung to AVR sound is via HDMI or optical, it's always 2 channel for the Smarthub. Question: the sound from the cable TV STB, is that 5.1? It goes to AVR to Samsung HDMI2. So what I get out of this is...... If you want the best sound and best video RENT THE DISCS. Streaming via AppleTV2 is 720p not 1080p. Sound from Smarthub is 2 channel.

If you connect your cable STB to the Cable/Ant input of your tv, the internal ATSC tuner is used and the output will be discrete 5.1 over optical to the AVR if that's what's being broadcast. Same as if you are using OTA reception for television (which I do). The new AppleTV3 outputs 720p/1080p. Personally I think smart tv's are dumb and limited. I'd rather use an external device to stream than what's built-in to the tv. External devices are more robust, easier to update (without fear of messing up your tv), and cheaper to repair should something go wrong.

So I wonder if you guys can help me. Its a bit of a TV/Windows audio setup question...

I currently have a UN55ES8000 love it to bits.

I am currently running a media PC using XBMC and have a Bose Cinemate 2 GS which I run via optical cable from TV. HDMI goes from the PC directly into the TV.

Now I am thinking about getting the Bose SR1 SoundBar to accompany the TV.

However, i've noticed on the PC and on the TV when I use optical on the windows side of things I dont get 5.1 showing under nvidia high definition audio devices only a Stereo device when select the samsung TV, im using an GT 610 graphics card.

So i presumed perhaps its something to do with the tv output on the SPDIF as the SPDIF comes out the TV to the Bose Cinemate.

So i checked the settings here and When i set to TV speaker I only have PCM selectable, when I choose external speaker I then get PCM and DTS Neo 2:5.

However in both cases Dolby Digital and DTS stay greyed out.

Am I missing something really silly here? Or can I not output surround from the TV via Optical?

I wanted to get an idea of how i'd set up the sound bar and get proper surround audio from my media pc using hdmi when it can only use Optical from the TV as its input (bare in mind im not using any hdmi switching amps or audio amps)

It's a bit simpler than that . . . let me try to do a better job of explaining it.

You receive source content somewhere, some way. One example would be from a disc in a player as you note. But to explain this issue, let's focus solely on streaming content, and let's just state that the streamed content includes multi-channel audio. The streamed content is received initially by one component - could be your BD player, your game console, your STB, your AVR, your TV, etc. If you are using an AVR, you need to get the audio feed to the AVR. You can do this by directly connecting the component to the AVR.

So, let's imagine I have a STB with a VuDu app on it; a BD player with a VuDu app on it, a game console with a VuDu app on it, and a Samsung TV with a VuDu app on it. I have connected each of these components' audio feeds to my AVR via optical connection. I choose to stream a 1080p video with 5.1 channel audio on it through a VuDu app. If I use the app on my STB, my BD player, or my game console, I get multi-channel audio fed to my AVR. If I use the VuDu app on my Samsung TV, I get downmixed two-channel audio only.

Now perhaps there is a hardware design limitation in the Samsung sets - if so, then there's no fix. But it seems possible or likely that this is a software implementation (because we know that the Samsung TV can feed multi-channel audio through its optical out if the source is the TV tuner). If this is a software implementation, then there is a software fix to allow apps in the SmartHub to feed multi-channel audio to an AVR via its optical out.

There are tons of workarounds for this (provided the apps that stream content are available on other components), but they all involve utilizing another component to handle the stream, and of course require the consumer to have a component that is able to offer the stream. My personal situation would require a change in hardware components in my home theater or changes in Amazon's approach to making their app available on certain components, so maybe my situation is a bit of a corner case that really doesn't matter to Samsung. But for those who have ready access to the apps of their choice via other components, what Samsung has done in designing the SmartHub audio capabilities this way is drive its TV owners to not use the SmartHub for streaming content and instead use another component to do so. If I have VuDu and Netflix and AIV and Hulu apps available in my BD player or my game console (as well as in the SmartHub), I'll basically never use the SmartHub to stream content - I'll use my BD player, even if it is not a Samsung product.

Ha ha! You're jumping right into a lot of back and forth concerning a different issue but that hits the very same frustration / issue you're seeing. The Samsung TV will not output multi-channel audio from its optical audio out unless the source is coming from the TV's tuner. It seems that any audio content coming from other devices (including the SmartHub which I am beginning to think of as another device that resides inside the set) will be downmixed to 2 channel and fed out to the soundbar, AVR, etc.

And while I am not an expert nor am I using a media server, I believe the HDMI standard requires that content fed through HDMI (such as your feed from your media PC) cannot be then passed in its HD / multi-channel format over anything other than HDMI.

I largely agree with you. However, if you're going to implement a "smart tv" with streaming capabilities, it's just silly to handicap your capabilities compared to other components that offer streaming.

Had a chance to play some Black Op's 2 last night. The first thing very noticeable is the vivid 1080p picture. It is really clear, smooth and detailed. There was no frame rate or hit detection issues I could see, and lag was a non-issue with the ES. Oh BTW, game play was pretty good too.

Playing FPS games are not an issue with this television for those who may be looking at them as a gaming set.

65 inch screen?

....I have extremely minimal clouding in m3d movie mode. My panel is killer!

...Yup, I have been saying all along, and told all sales people when shopping "i dont want a smart tv, i want a dumbazz tv with an amazing picture quality"... I have not and will not let my 8000 communicate with outside world! LOL... I wont update FW. I do all hub and streaming from my bluray player

Yes in deed.

No, I connect my cable STB to the AVR via HDMI, and the AVR to the TV via HDMI2. I don't use an optical wire at all. It sounds like 5.1, at least football games and stuff. I think it is.

Well then if your tv and avr are both ARC capable, and you are using the correct HDMI inputs/outputs (they should be designated as ARC capable) then there should be no problem with 5.1. TV speakers should be off.

Ok...im sold. Going to pick up this set.

Yeah, my AVR is ARC capable and I connected it to HDMI2 on the Samsung, that's the ARC connection. The TV speaker doesn't work at all with that setup.

I really, really wanted the Samsung 65ES8000 but with all the BAD posts regarding the panels. Not going to.

I thought that I would wait for Sony's new 65" 950 but they are also getting BAD revues regarding banding

Maybe, my best move to get a TV with great PQ is the OLEDs but they are now not coming out this year as advertised. Maybe next year. But $10,000 for a 55" is a little steep.

Panasonic's VT50 won't fit the area that I need to have a TV paced in

Sharp's Elites both the 60 and the 70 Pros are nice but will any more be produced? If Sharp can't get money from the government, they may go BK.

Which leads me to Runco's Vistage V-63HD. It is nice but $10,000 nice??? Even Runco is getting of the plasma business and no longer going to make the Vistage series.

Picking up a new TV with exceptional PQ is getting much tougher now a days


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Edited by JimShaw - 11/15/12 at 11:15am

Very true. In fact, it seems to me that picking up a new TV with acceptable PQ is getting much tougher now a days.

that's funny, you sound like a DOOMS DAY PREPPER...lol Gosh forbid your TV doesn't communicate to the outside world, but your bluray player can....lol..double standard dont you think....lol

I do agree with you, these new smart tvs are a GIMMICK, I have the UN46ES7500.....NOT IMPRESSED with smart hub at all..... but the picture is amazing....

these days, if you want the best tv, unfortunately they will bundle it with the Smart Hub non sense....

Its tough (maybe impossible) to find a better or equal samsung tv (UNxxES8000) without the smarthub...its the top of the line flagship model!

Very discouraging!




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If the OLED on the phones these days are any indications of what to expect on the TV then we would still have to stuffer with color uniformity on greys, browns and a whole lot of other colors.. greys still have visible 'mura' lines even with the latest generation of superamoled screens.

I don't think it's an issue with communicating to the outside world. I've tried the applications on my Samsung 65" - - but my Bluray player does a far better job of streaming and handling audio codecs. My TV is still connected to the Internet but I really don't use the Smart Apps. or even go to that area anymore.

And I couldn't agree more about the firmware updates - - I've done my last (at least for a long time and it will have to be an update that knocks everyone's socks off, dimming or PQ wise).

I can't see the benefit of updating when I have to constantly tweak the picture thereafter.

Lastly - - yes, there are risks involved with newer technology today - - especially the panels on these edge lit sets. But if you wait until something is absolutely bullet proof - - you'll be waiting a long, long, long time. What's the trade off? What can you live with? What are you missing in the meantime? Maybe you can buy a TV real cheap on Craigslist - - someone who has buyer's remorse or who just needs to sell their TV at a big discount. That way, you could save $$$ and justify the purchase. There are a couple warranty companies out there that will extend warranty on used sets, so that can mitigate your risk.

I've been fortunate (knock, knock) that my UN65ES8000 TV is a real killer with unbelievable PQ. Just saw 3D Spiderman last night. Not the greatest use of 3D until the end, but still enjoyable. Interesting extra feature on "3D 101" from the director - - the use of two cameras to film 3D movies. Avatar has been the best 3D flick I've seen so far. Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter was hilarious - - and some good 3D effects, as well. Just received Underworld Awakening - - wonder how that 3D vampire movie will look with all the dark scenes. I'll find out what dimming does to the PQ. Prometheus was ok - - as a movie and 3D effects. I thought it would be better.

I totally agree Jim. I was ready to buy until a waded through this thread. A real downer when it comes to the 65es8000. Maybe it's the super thin screen on the super sized set that is causing the banding. I would go for a little thicker panel for a more uniform picture. Maybe next year they will figure out how to do it right but for now there are way to many 65" unhappy campers here. Panel lottery is a concept that should not exist.

It sucks that when I'm checking out these sets at Best Buy I'm always looking now for banding and usually finding it. Please Samsung work on this problem......I guess Sony has it too in the mega sizes.

Hey, how'd you receive those 3D BDs, Rico? Just kidding.

I've been too busy to get on here but speaking of updates, I know I posted that I did the latest and had to change my settings. It's looks the same since doing that except one things. My DirectTV is showing compression artifacts more. This must be a DirecTV thing, but it's pi$$ing me off. BD and Apple TV look amazing still. And speaking of connected TVs, I feel the same way. I didn't buy this TV for motion control or the hub so I rarely use it. My BD does a better job and my 1080p Apple TV does an even better job than that.

I want my next TV to be a 65" UHD old fashioned tube TV with great blacks and uniformity that will last 30 years.

Garnoch - glad to see you've got power! By the way - - any chance that the artifacts for Directv have any relation to the power outage and resumption?

By the way - - AVS Forum http://www.3d-blurayrental.com/ (3D Content) - with other folks experiences. Just watched 3D Spiderman. Looking forward to Men in Black III - later this month.

I might try the update - - if it helps dimming, that that's beneficial. Here I go again....

Hi there,

Hi THere I have an es7000. I dont know if i understand the problems just right but... when i am using smart hup I can set it up to communicate dd5.1 or DTS surround othrough spdf. The normal setting is PCM so this will give stereo sound.

You have to go to menu and than go to the SPDif settings (I believe in system) while playing the movie than u can set PCM to DTS or Dolby Digital depends on the file your playing. after that it will sent DTS or Dolby Digital to the receiver.

It is strange it works this way but... it works!

This might be stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway

Is there any way to make a "shortcut" to the game mode? I have a PS3 connected through a receiver and I use it for both games and movies. I feel a huge difference in lag when using game mode and I would like to activate it easily when gaming without going through the menus.