Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 230

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

FIRMWARE UPDATE 1041.1
With power restored after 11 days, I couldn't wait to watch my TV and decided to update the firmware so I could report back. My daughter was watching something and it didn't look quite right. Then my wife and I sat down to catch up on Survivor, which is beautifully shot. I could tell things were just not right. This is the first time that I had a negative feeling towards an update so I stayed up after my wife went to bed and broke out the WOW BD and AVS files. I wish I had meters and equipment, but oh well. So I was right that a couple things were obviously off which surprised me, because that hasn't been the case yet for me with updates. So far for me, updates have either looked the same or possibly a little better, but never has been cause for me to change settings. In both Standard and Movie modes, I had to change Contrast and Gamma. In both Movie and Standard I had to drop Contrast by one point (maybe could have gone two but didn't need to) and raise Gamma one point to 0, even with the Brightness trick to diminish CE Dimming, which I raised 2 points to 0 (which makes me feel I could have balanced it by raising Gamma by 1 point and raising Brightness a little, but that didn't feel right). I also felt I had to then lower my backlight, especially in a dark room, so I lowered my ECO by 1. Anyway, I'm back to having an awesome picture and I've updated my settings post based on this firmware update. Good luck everyone!

Originally Posted by skibum5000 

Can the CE Dimming be 100% turned off on this set? I know that it could on the old B series but not on the C series. So how about on the ES?
And can the micro dimming stuff be turned off on this 8000 if you don't like it? (these features also would seem to make calibration for gamma a bit trickier, although if you manage to keep a bright white window on part of the screen you can get a fair measurement of black level and low gray at least on the non-micro dimming sets)
If all the dimming stuff can be turned off on all the sets how do black levels compare on this compared to a sony hx850 or 929?
does the edge lighting cause dark screens to have faded gray extending down from the edges as the early edge LED lit screens had when the dimming and autobacklight dim and such were turned off?
Does the 8000 have the weird thing where even and odd scanlines have a slightly different luminance for one of the green sub-pixels that cause a solid block of yellow and orange and certain blues, in particular to render odd and even lines as slightly different colors (!) giving them a slightly nasty striped effect that I first noticed in many of the C-series screens (although not so much on the very highest end model C series) and even more of the D series screens? I can't believe that more people never brought up this issue (I did see a few others though). In the PC monitor world people would have gone crazy over such a thing.
thanks.

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

Hi, i have the same problem after the 1041 update. Do you mind to share your Dynamic and Standard mode modified settings?
Thanks

Originally Posted by Brandon Whipp 

I want to ask, how did you get the update 1041.1 installed? My TV states 1041 but the web page states 1041.1 is available by USB. In doing a live chat with samsung they stated they are the same. I have tryed placing the update on the USB, in zipped format, unzipped in the same folder name, in the "image" folder and even not in a folder and the TV just wont take it... what worked for you?

Originally Posted by skibum5000 

Can the CE Dimming be 100% turned off on this set? I know that it could on the old B series but not on the C series. So how about on the ES?
And can the micro dimming stuff be turned off on this 8000 if you don't like it? (these features also would seem to make calibration for gamma a bit trickier, although if you manage to keep a bright white window on part of the screen you can get a fair measurement of black level and low gray at least on the non-micro dimming sets)
If all the dimming stuff can be turned off on all the sets how do black levels compare on this compared to a sony hx850 or 929?
does the edge lighting cause dark screens to have faded gray extending down from the edges as the early edge LED lit screens had when the dimming and autobacklight dim and such were turned off?
Does the 8000 have the weird thing where even and odd scanlines have a slightly different luminance for one of the green sub-pixels that cause a solid block of yellow and orange and certain blues, in particular to render odd and even lines as slightly different colors (!) giving them a slightly nasty striped effect that I first noticed in many of the C-series screens (although not so much on the very highest end model C series) and even more of the D series screens? I can't believe that more people never brought up this issue (I did see a few others though). In the PC monitor world people would have gone crazy over such a thing.
thanks.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

Some people here might have laughed that you asked me for Dynamic setting because I know I did - I'll only give you my settings if you promise not to use Dynamic.
I'm kidding but you can find my original Movie and Standard settings along with my settings for reducing CE Dimming on page 117 or by clicking the direct link you see when you go to my profile by clicking on my name. Good luck!

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

LOL I figure that was going to happen, but the reason why I asked is because my wife like Dynamic more than the Movie or Standard picture (lest be honest, the Movie and Standard settings don't always show crisp eye popping colors and some people prefer that).
I try your Movie and Standard settings but colors don't POP like the use to before the damn 1041 firmware update.
My dilemma is that before the 1041 my modified Dynamic with Backlight = 11, Contrast = 96, Brightness = 46 and Eco Solution = ON (minimum backlight set to 9) looked incredible, and when I say incredible I mean crisp define AWESOME picture. But after the update programs and movies that before showed amazing eye popping colors now doesn't :-(. Colors now look dull and I have try everything with no luck.
Can someone confirm that is actual problem with 1041 firmware is that the colors now show dull, anyone that have experience the same? Is like something that Samsung changed now is not right. One thing I notice after the firmware upgrade is that there is a lot more light being push from the edges, you can see this on a totally dark room. Before I can barely see light coming from the four TV sides and being push toward the center, now is like the TV backlight is a lot stronger and can't go down to darker mode wish maybe is causing what I see as wash out dull colors.
Any help, ides or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
I want to try the dynamic settings you have now, if you have modified them from the default once after the update to see if I can get it to work like it was for my wife.
I have my UN65ES8000 since June, I have been extremely happy with the picture, but now to me is just not looking the same as before, even 3D don't look as crisp or define as before.
Again thanks in advance !

Originally Posted by Ricoflashback 

Try a full reset - - make sure to copy down your settings. I experienced the same thing with an earlier firmware update the the reset brought the picture back to life. I do not use the Eco Solution - period. I'm also in a dark, man cave in the basement with backlight at 12, contrast at 90 - - Standard mode. Everything pops for me at this setting. (My brightness is set to 40 with sharpness at 35). There are a lot of suggestions - - very good ones from Garnoch and others like Nitra (where in the world is Nitra today??) on tweaking your set on this thread.
So - full reset should solve your problem - - it did for me. Best of luck. (Full reset via main menu - - not "picture" reset.)
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

LOL I figure that was going to happen, but the reason why I asked is because my wife like Dynamic more than the Movie or Standard picture (lest be honest, the Movie and Standard settings don't always show crisp eye popping colors and some people prefer that).
I try your Movie and Standard settings but colors don't POP like the use to before the damn 1041 firmware update.
My dilemma is that before the 1041 my modified Dynamic with Backlight = 11, Contrast = 96, Brightness = 46 and Eco Solution = ON (minimum backlight set to 9) looked incredible, and when I say incredible I mean crisp define AWESOME picture. But after the update programs and movies that before showed amazing eye popping colors now doesn't :-(. Colors now look dull and I have try everything with no luck.
Can someone confirm that is actual problem with 1041 firmware is that the colors now show dull, anyone that have experience the same? Is like something that Samsung changed now is not right. One thing I notice after the firmware upgrade is that there is a lot more light being push from the edges, you can see this on a totally dark room. Before I can barely see light coming from the four TV sides and being push toward the center, now is like the TV backlight is a lot stronger and can't go down to darker mode wish maybe is causing what I see as wash out dull colors.
Any help, ides or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
I want to try the dynamic settings you have now, if you have modified them from the default once after the update to see if I can get it to work like it was for my wife.
I have my UN65ES8000 since June, I have been extremely happy with the picture, but now to me is just not looking the same as before, even 3D don't look as crisp or define as before.
Again thanks in advance !

Originally Posted by Ricoflashback 

Try a full reset - - make sure to copy down your settings. I experienced the same thing with an earlier firmware update the the reset brought the picture back to life. I do not use the Eco Solution - period. I'm also in a dark, man cave in the basement with backlight at 12, contrast at 90 - - Standard mode. Everything pops for me at this setting. (My brightness is set to 40 with sharpness at 35). There are a lot of suggestions - - very good ones from Garnoch and others like Nitra (where in the world is Nitra today??) on tweaking your set on this thread.
So - full reset should solve your problem - - it did for me. Best of luck. (Full reset via main menu - - not "picture" reset.)
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

Originally Posted by gtm73 

darkvader, you might have indicated this already and I just missed it, but is your set a 7500 or 8000?

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

If you're already using the settings I have posted, just double check them, because I changed and updated them based on 1041. As for Dynamic, I honestly don't have settings for it, sorry. I do agree though, that even with updating my settings based on WOW disc and AVS files, I feel it's not quite as good as it was before the update. I could be reading too much into it though, hard to say.

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

I don't think you are reading too much into it, is really different. Have you notice a difference when watching the TV on an angle? For example, before the update I was able to watch the TV on an angle and the colors where almost 99 % identical as being in the center. Now the colors get very wash out with the smoke curtain effect
I will reset the TV and re-enter the settings again and see what happen.

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

I don't think you are reading too much into it, is really different. Have you notice a difference when watching the TV on an angle? For example, before the update I was able to watch the TV on an angle and the colors where almost 99 % identical as being in the center. Now the colors get very wash out with the smoke curtain effect
I will reset the TV and re-enter the settings again and see what happen.

Originally Posted by Mavinwow 

Can you guys help me understand something regarding black input. My understanding of PS3 color output, is that limited is 16-235 for black, and full is 0 to 255. This is an output setting on the PS3.
Now, there appears to be a corresponding setting on the Samsung TV, HDMI Black level. Where low is 16-235 and normal is 0-255. However, this option always seems greyed out. I switched my PS3 output to limited which has fixed some crushed blacks I was getting in games, but my TV is greyed out and set to normal still. Am I not understanding this setting correctly?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by darkvader001 

LOL I figure that was going to happen, but the reason why I asked is because my wife like Dynamic more than the Movie or Standard picture (lest be honest, the Movie and Standard settings don't always show crisp eye popping colors and some people prefer that).
I try your Movie and Standard settings but colors don't POP like the use to before the damn 1041 firmware update.
My dilemma is that before the 1041 my modified Dynamic with Backlight = 11, Contrast = 96, Brightness = 46 and Eco Solution = ON (minimum backlight set to 9) looked incredible, and when I say incredible I mean crisp define AWESOME picture. But after the update programs and movies that before showed amazing eye popping colors now doesn't :-(. Colors now look dull and I have try everything with no luck.
Can someone confirm that is actual problem with 1041 firmware is that the colors now show dull, anyone that have experience the same? Is like something that Samsung changed now is not right. One thing I notice after the firmware upgrade is that there is a lot more light being push from the edges, you can see this on a totally dark room. Before I can barely see light coming from the four TV sides and being push toward the center, now is like the TV backlight is a lot stronger and can't go down to darker mode wish maybe is causing what I see as wash out dull colors.
Any help, ides or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
I want to try the dynamic settings you have now, if you have modified them from the default once after the update to see if I can get it to work like it was for my wife.
I have my UN65ES8000 since June, I have been extremely happy with the picture, but now to me is just not looking the same as before, even 3D don't look as crisp or define as before.
Again thanks in advance !

Originally Posted by Mavinwow 

Can you guys help me understand something regarding black input. My understanding of PS3 color output, is that limited is 16-235 for black, and full is 0 to 255. This is an output setting on the PS3.
Now, there appears to be a corresponding setting on the Samsung TV, HDMI Black level. Where low is 16-235 and normal is 0-255. However, this option always seems greyed out. I switched my PS3 output to limited which has fixed some crushed blacks I was getting in games, but my TV is greyed out and set to normal still. Am I not understanding this setting correctly?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

I can't fully help you but I assume you're connected via HDMI. If Nitra was here, he could answer that one. If you find his settings post, he has a note about it at the bottom. Mine is greyed out on some HDMI inputs too but look correct. If it's not correct, the picture will look very washed out. I had this issue with my DirecTV HR24 DVR but was able to change the setting, which fixed the issue. If you don't notice it being obviously washed out, my guess is it's on the correct setting.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

Like Eagle said, those can't be turned on or off, but... Movie mode does not have either, so in essence, you can have them off.
I'm not sure about the 850 or 929, but the 950 seems very very very close to the 929 and after reading that thread and seeing comparisons of people who have had both, I would say the 950's black are better with the 8000 in Movie mode, but then again, the 950 has it's own processing going on too.
The last issue you bring up I've not only never seen but it's never been talked about on any page in this thread, so I think it's a safe bet that this isn't an issue with the ES.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

YES, I didn't see Transformers in 3D but Hugo, The Avengers, UP, Prometheus, Avatar..... Loved those in 3D.
Ah Blazing Saddles, It's been too long, must watch that again being I have it

Originally Posted by Mavinwow 

Thanks for the reply! I have read his comment, and it seems like I should be able to control the HDMI black, but it is always greyed out.
I am connected to HDMI 2 on my TV, with all my HDMI sources being switched by my receiver.

Originally Posted by skibum5000 

So CE Dimming is really truly 100% off in Movie mode? Because I know people had said that about the C series but my 55C650 absolutely did the CE dimming thing even in Movie mode no matter what I set. It wasn't a huge effect but if you tried to measure black point on a largely all black screen or even a few shades up from that the set absolutely dimmed down and it did toss setting up gamma and gave people those fake super high 5000:1 contrast ratio measurements and such. So it is not just lessened but 100% truly gone in Movie mode? (Movie mode is the only one I ever use on Samsungs anyway so that would be good.) On the ES7100 thread someone said that CE dimming is still on even in Movie mode but that micro dimming is turned off there (but on in all other modes). ?
And do you know if the Sony sets also do CE dimming type stuff and if it can be turned off?
And can the local dimming features be turned off on all of these sets?
Thanks.
Hopefully none of these have that striping effect (put up bright yellow orange or certain blues and look closely and instead of 100% solid smooth color it looks like tiny 1/3 scanline height lines that are slightly darker running horizontally across the screen, for some reason few people brought it up for the C and D series even though many, many of those sets had it (it did depend a bit on which panel you got, the SQ actually were the most guaranteed to have it other than for some reason in their top # model where I never saw it even with the SQ, I originally thought it was a manufacturing defect in their new LCD production line but since the D series had it to I was no longer sure what to say. It is not just me because some other people did, independently, point it out too.) Looking in the store it seemed like the ES yellows might be free of it, I was a touch worried that I might have seen in a few dark sky blues, not sure since those scenes went by so fast. I was a touch worried I might have caught a bit of it in Sony 850 yellows but I need to get a better. It was pretty bad on many C and especially D series sets though.

Originally Posted by thebignewt 

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Originally Posted by skibum5000 

So CE Dimming is really truly 100% off in Movie mode? Because I know people had said that about the C series but my 55C650 absolutely did the CE dimming thing even in Movie mode no matter what I set. It wasn't a huge effect but if you tried to measure black point on a largely all black screen or even a few shades up from that the set absolutely dimmed down and it did toss setting up gamma and gave people those fake super high 5000:1 contrast ratio measurements and such. So it is not just lessened but 100% truly gone in Movie mode? (Movie mode is the only one I ever use on Samsungs anyway so that would be good.) On the ES7100 thread someone said that CE dimming is still on even in Movie mode but that micro dimming is turned off there (but on in all other modes). ?
And do you know if the Sony sets also do CE dimming type stuff and if it can be turned off?
And can the local dimming features be turned off on all of these sets?
Thanks.
Hopefully none of these have that striping effect (put up bright yellow orange or certain blues and look closely and instead of 100% solid smooth color it looks like tiny 1/3 scanline height lines that are slightly darker running horizontally across the screen, for some reason few people brought it up for the C and D series even though many, many of those sets had it (it did depend a bit on which panel you got, the SQ actually were the most guaranteed to have it other than for some reason in their top # model where I never saw it even with the SQ, I originally thought it was a manufacturing defect in their new LCD production line but since the D series had it to I was no longer sure what to say. It is not just me because some other people did, independently, point it out too.) Looking in the store it seemed like the ES yellows might be free of it, I was a touch worried that I might have seen in a few dark sky blues, not sure since those scenes went by so fast. I was a touch worried I might have caught a bit of it in Sony 850 yellows but I need to get a better. It was pretty bad on many C and especially D series sets though.

Originally Posted by eagle_2 

So I got an automated call today from Samsung saying that it was a follow-up to my service call yesterday, and that according to the records, the problem has been resolved!! If yes, press 1, if not press 2. 2
Seriously? So I pressed 2 and and then the voice said I should get a call within 1 day (which means Monday of course due to the holiday). Confused I called the repair facility that sent the tech down yesterday, and they claimed to know nothing about anything. They said the tech didn't add any additional notes to the work order. I asked them why the tech said Samsung will decide what to do about the panel when isn't it the tech who should decide since he was the one who looked at the panel? They didn't have any answers for me and said they will call back today. They never did call back. So I have no idea what is going on at this point. I told the guy on the phone that the tech spent less than 10 minutes at my apartment and didn't even write down anything about the banding I was having in 3D mode, saying it was "all due to the backlighting". All the tech wrote on the slip was "Flashlight effect/backlight bleed".
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Originally Posted by Garnoch 

No one here has mentioned the striping and I've never seen it either. It appears CE and MD are totally off in Movie mode. I believe you can see it greyed out in the service menu with no way to turn it on. That being said there is a Black Enhancer option that if turned on seems to have a slight CE effect. I can't talk about the Sony's though.

Originally Posted by Garnoch 

I forgot about the lack of calibration on the Sonys That would drive me nuts.