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post #6901 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

It's the same update. You're right that your TV shows simply 1041, but if you go to the contact samsung menu, it will show you the entire number.

Thank you for the clarification, wonder why the update menu cant just be straight on what it tells you.
post #6902 of 16126
Other than the bezel and stand, the only real difference is more MIcro Dimming zones on the 8000. Based on everything in this entire thread, the only possible difference being made is CE Dimming kicking in too much too often, which there is a workaround for. The difference is only a couple hundred bucks so that doesn't seem like a deciding factor when purchasing. For me, it came down to looks.
post #6903 of 16126
So Happy Thanksgiving to the US people. I'm at an airport and may not have much access after I leave. Plus typing on a phone isn't fun. I had to say this though because of the recent convo we had about the latest firmware changing the look of things. Last night I spent two hours messing with it because still not being totally happy since the last firmware even though the files looked right. What I found was the red push in Standard wasn't as extreme but the there was a little more of a blue push. Also contrast did have to come down a little more and gamma had to drop back one to where I had it. Sorry I couldn't document everything right now. You'll have to wait until next week sometime. Also, it is very hard to calibrate Standard and have it look right without Movie's 10p settings. Because if this I find you can either have your disc and files look right, which won't quite look like Movie mode, or you can almost match Movie mode but the disc and files will look slightly off. Most of you know I love love love the color in Movie. I swore by it and put up some extra cloudiness rather than deal with CE Dimming in Standard. Now that I have control of dimming though, I went back to Standard and loved it... until the 1041 latest update. The disc and files look perfect in Movie. So I matched Movie and will live with the disc and files not being dead on in Standard. By far the best way to go. Off the top of my head, take my Standard settings, drop Contrast to 94, raise color to 47 or 48, gamma to -1, change white balance R-offset and B-offset to 14, dynamic contrast off, black tone low. This might not be quite right but I think it is. For my less CE settings, I also bumped up the white gain on each by one or two. Sorry I'm rushing onto a plane. Take care everyone.
post #6904 of 16126
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Originally Posted by skibum5000 View Post

So what are the actual, real differences between the ES7500 and ES8000?
One review sight in the UK seemed to think something about the ES7100 made it handle motion at times worse than the ES8000 although maybe it was just down to the firmware on each at the time (seems like ES7100 has had more firmware issues?). But I haven't found much solid about ES7500 vs ES8000. Better panels reserved to be always used in the 8000??? Anything at all other than micro dimming ultra (which is off in movie mode anyway) and the set styling? Panel uniformity, backlight bleed differences on average? Same exact panels used??

I think the biggest difference is that the 7500 tends to attract the more discerning buyers who are more perceptive than the average 8000 buyer as evidenced by the relative level of complaints through this thread....
post #6905 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Other than the bezel and stand, the only real difference is more MIcro Dimming zones on the 8000. Based on everything in this entire thread, the only possible difference being made is CE Dimming kicking in too much too often, which there is a workaround for. The difference is only a couple hundred bucks so that doesn't seem like a deciding factor when purchasing. For me, it came down to looks.

In all seriousness, the differences I think I have heard about here are mostly the relative harshness of auto-dimming. I do believe that eagle and Garnoch have always talked about their panels (7500) exhibiting red push (or now some blue push) and I haven't heard/rembmeber hearing any color complaints/questions on the 8000 but that really is up for verification with the guys who have used some calibration hardware to check it out...Turboman or Nitra might have comments when they return.
post #6906 of 16126
Hi Nitra,
Just bought Samsung UN65ES800 , they are trying to sell me Calibration package.
My question, is it something I can do or I should buy it!

Many Thanks
post #6907 of 16126
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Originally Posted by gtm73 View Post

In all seriousness, the differences I think I have heard about here are mostly the relative harshness of auto-dimming. I do believe that eagle and Garnoch have always talked about their panels (7500) exhibiting red push (or now some blue push) and I haven't heard/rembmeber hearing any color complaints/questions on the 8000 but that really is up for verification with the guys who have used some calibration hardware to check it out...Turboman or Nitra might have comments when they return.

Thanks.

Did they find the auto-dimming harsher on the 7500 or the 8000? (I suppose in movie mode it doesn't matter anyway, which is what I would probably mostly use, but just in case....).
post #6908 of 16126
Hey I have Internet sometimes where I am. The red push in Standard isn't a 7500 thing but I think it shows up when trying to calibrate more than it does when just watching or comparing it visually against Movie. I do agree though that the dimming may be more noticeable on the 7500 due to less MD zones. With the adjustment to remedy it though, I'm glad I went with the 7500.
post #6909 of 16126
Just wait for the new 2002 update Garnoch. It might have some improvements on the following aspects:

- Off angel viewing

- Color accuracy, and stability !

- Black levels

The image looks improved to the level I was most satisfied with. I will check again to be sure. Just took a quick look for now.
post #6910 of 16126
Just hooked up an 55 es8000 and have been reading and searching this thread but its very long...

I live in Canada, is there a way to setup the channel index for my local cable provider? It only allows a zip but no postal code. So far I'm happy but have not had time to fool with the calibration yet. I must say one thing that I find extremely frustrating so far is this remote, man is it ever unresponsive.
post #6911 of 16126
Hello, I have a es7500 can someone confirm that there is only 755mb of memory avalible for smart hub. That seems extremely low and im using half of it with nothing even installed
post #6912 of 16126
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Originally Posted by gtm73 View Post

In all seriousness, the differences I think I have heard about here are mostly the relative harshness of auto-dimming. I do believe that eagle and Garnoch have always talked about their panels (7500) exhibiting red push (or now some blue push) and I haven't heard/rembmeber hearing any color complaints/questions on the 8000 but that really is up for verification with the guys who have used some calibration hardware to check it out...Turboman or Nitra might have comments when they return.

On my 55ES8000, I had a greyscale with a blue push and low red, for which I had to make corrections in white balance. Corrections were stronger in Standard than in Movie. But if I remember well, Nitra had different corrections. So the corrections might depend on flat panel type, also variations in production. It is my belief you really have to calibrate with a meter.

I am now working on calibrating settings for reduced crushed black in Movie. Will probably make a post next week.
post #6913 of 16126
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Originally Posted by leftyguitar1963 View Post


Off-axis viewing has never been a strong point of the S-PVA panels....


Why haven't they changed over to an IPS panel?

Because then you get washed out blacks even at 100% on axis biggrin.gif.
post #6914 of 16126
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Originally Posted by nitra View Post

As for the Audio Controls, I have them disabled, they work, but I can't get the IR blaster working correctly yet with my cable company, try and set the keyword to SMART TV, it helps. The PQ is better on the 8000, darker blacks, deeper colors etc. Side note, the Audio Controls/Visual Controls are available on the 7500/8000.
As for the clouding, most of this is your eyes playing tricks on you, it's actually there in both modes, but in STD it's a less noticeable because the colors are amplified etc etc etc.
This isn't something new to this years models, it's been noticed all the way back to the A series, my suggestion as has been for a long time, use the ECO sensor, it really makes a difference in keeping the backlight correct, I can safely run with a backlight of 13, and set the ECO to bottom out at 4, and it keeps my set well lit.

The blacks aren't any better on the 8000 than on the 7500 or 7100 if you are in movie mode/micro dimming off though are they?
post #6915 of 16126
Has anyone had any issues registering the DivX License on a UE55ES8000U?

Allshare refuses to play the license file, reporting an "authorization error":

"Your device is not authorised to play this DivX protected video"

BTW I didn't typo the z and s, that's how it appears on the screen!

Thanks
post #6916 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Samsung UN65ES View Post

Hi Nitra, Just bought Samsung UN65ES800 , they are trying to sell me Calibration package.
My question, is it something I can do or I should buy it! Many Thanks
Not Nitra, and I'm no video expert, but here's the approach I took with my new 65" 8000. I left it on almost all the time the first 2 weeks to get it settled in. Having read this thread, I paid close attention to flashlighting and banding once the set was delivered. Fortunately my panel does not seem to be one of the bad ones. I can see those effects at times but frankly I might not have noticed them on my own, so I'm keeping this one. So your first decision is whether you're happy with your panel. Then, before a professional calibration you need to have hundreds of hours of operation on the set.

Though I focus on audio, I'm a tweaker and I have standard video test discs like AIX and DVE (though no actual test equipment or expertise). So I did the FW updates and I tried the settings posted by Garnoch and Nitra. Those seemed pretty good when I put on the test discs. Using Standard Mode for normal 2D viewing, it seemed to me that often the colors look too washed out for my taste, but as I familiarize myself with the settings and tweak them a bit it's looking better and better.

Again, I'm not a videophile so as things stand now, I'd not spend the $ for a professional calibration myself. However, one of the BB perks I can chose with this TV purchase is a free calibration so I may go ahead with that.
Edited by SoundofMind - 11/23/12 at 4:52am
post #6917 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sterno View Post

Just hooked up an 55 es8000 and have been reading and searching this thread but its very long...
I live in Canada, is there a way to setup the channel index for my local cable provider? It only allows a zip but no postal code. So far I'm happy but have not had time to fool with the calibration yet. I must say one thing that I find extremely frustrating so far is this remote, man is it ever unresponsive.
Get a harmony universal remote at best buy or online.
post #6918 of 16126
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Originally Posted by sterno View Post

Just hooked up an 55 es8000 and have been reading and searching this thread but its very long...
I live in Canada, is there a way to setup the channel index for my local cable provider? It only allows a zip but no postal code. So far I'm happy but have not had time to fool with the calibration yet. I must say one thing that I find extremely frustrating so far is this remote, man is it ever unresponsive.
Get a harmony universal remote at best buy or online.
post #6919 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Squyrrel View Post

Has anyone had any issues registering the DivX License on a UE55ES8000U?
Allshare refuses to play the license file, reporting an "authorization error":
"Your device is not authorised to play this DivX protected video"
BTW I didn't typo the z and s, that's how it appears on the screen!
Thanks
I use my allshare all the time to play movies from my other devices and never ran into this problem. ill give it a closer look tonight
post #6920 of 16126
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Not Nitra, and I'm no video expert, but here's the approach I took with my new 65" 8000. I left it on almost all the time the first 2 weeks to get it settled in. Having read this thread, I paid close attention to flashlighting and banding once the set was delivered. Fortunately my panel does not seem to be one of the bad ones. I can see those effects at times but frankly I might not have noticed them on my own, so I'm keeping this one. So your first decision is whether you're happy with your panel. Then, before a professional calibration you need to have hundreds of hours of operation on the set.
Though I focus on audio, I'm a tweaker and I have standard video test discs like AIX and DVE (though no actual test equipment or expertise). So I did the FW updates and I tried the settings posted by Garnoch and Nitra. Those seemed pretty good when I put on the test discs. Using Standard Mode for normal 2D viewing, it seemed to me that often the colors look too washed out for my taste, but as I familiarize myself with the settings and tweak them a bit it's looking better and better.
Again, I'm not a videophile so as things stand now, I'd not spend the $ for a professional calibration myself. However, one of the BB perks I can chose with this TV purchase is a free calibration so I may go ahead with that.
Thanks for your suggestions ..
do I need to get some sort of disk to run the calibration or just change the settings as these guys earlier suggested?
as for the sound test I have no clue, it will be connected to subwuffer and sound bar !!!rolleyes.gif
post #6921 of 16126
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Originally Posted by turboman123 View Post

On my 55ES8000, I had a greyscale with a blue push and low red, for which I had to make corrections in white balance. Corrections were stronger in Standard than in Movie. But if I remember well, Nitra had different corrections. So the corrections might depend on flat panel type, also variations in production. It is my belief you really have to calibrate with a meter.
I am now working on calibrating settings for reduced crushed black in Movie. Will probably make a post next week.

thanks Turbo. out of all the settings in this thread im favor yours, so im currently using them but have dynamic contrast on med and shapness @ 0. Like i said earlier i'm going to try and get some pictures this weekend, my wife is going to be away smile.gif

But if you you can share your tweaks, it would be appreciated .
post #6922 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Samsung UN65ES View Post

Thanks for your suggestions ..do I need to get some sort of disk to run the calibration or just change the settings as these guys earlier suggested?
as for the sound test I have no clue, it will be connected to subwuffer and sound bar !!!rolleyes.gif
You're welcome. As with any aspect of this hobby, you decide how much time and effort tweaking is worth it to you. I suggest you simply go into the picture menu, enter the posted settings and see how you like it-no calibration disc is needed to do that.

A cal disc simply allows you to more easily and precisely see the results of changing the settings by the use of special test patterns and special film clips. Basically the guys who post settings here have done that hard work for us, and we are left to tweak to take into account slight differences from one TV to another and of course personal preference. And don't worry about it, as no setting change you do will permanently affect anything. With a simple button press you can return the settings to original. So once you find settings you like, write them down!
Caveat: do not enter the Service Menu.
post #6923 of 16126
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Originally Posted by photai View Post

I seem to be having the TV rebooting/restarting problem that was discussed several months back. Looking back it seems to have been network related and was fixed by a firmware update. I've had my set since May and never had this issue until about a week ago. It happens both when watching TV through dish receiver and also occurred while watching Netflix through Smart Hub. I'm on the latest firmware 1041.1 and have all audio through a receiver. Dish via hdmi to receiver and then to ES8000 and Smart Hub audio is through optical. Any suggestions? I disconnected the LAN cable to the TV last night but haven't watched enough to see if that fixes it as it can sometimes happen every 5 minutes or not once in hours.

As a follow-up I've now had the TV restart on me with wi-fi off and disconnected LAN so its not a network issue. I've also had it restart while running audio directly from the TV without the receiver being on through Smart Hub so I've pretty much narrowed the problem down directly to the TV.
post #6924 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

I use my allshare all the time to play movies from my other devices and never ran into this problem. ill give it a closer look tonight


I'm finding that amonst other things, MKV doesn't play, even as low as 8mb/s and fitting the indicated parameters.

DivX won't register the license.

I'm now going to dig deeper with encoding a short clip in all the formats in the manual.

Samsung have fobbed me off with a statement that Allshare doesn't support DivX, despite it being embedded in the TV. I haven't yet pressed for exactly what it is Allshare actually supports against what the manual and advertising suggests.

I'm interested to know what luck people have. Thanks for looking.

Nigel
post #6925 of 16126
I was quite surprised last night when I played my first 3D blu-ray that all my settings were not used, and all of a sudden my backlight was on 20. Do you guys use the same settings for 3D or bump up the brightness/backlight a little?
post #6926 of 16126
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

You're welcome. As with any aspect of this hobby, you decide how much time and effort tweaking is worth it to you. I suggest you simply go into the picture menu, enter the posted settings and see how you like it-no calibration disc is needed to do that.
A cal disc simply allows you to more easily and precisely see the results of changing the settings by the use of special test patterns and special film clips. Basically the guys who post settings here have done that hard work for us, and we are left to tweak to take into account slight differences from one TV to another and of course personal preference. And don't worry about it, as no setting change you do will permanently affect anything. With a simple button press you can return the settings to original. So once you find settings you like, write them down!
Caveat: do not enter the Service Menu.
Many Thanks Again,
made me at ease, will try myself .. could you kindly show me again which page the setting was on? I can't find it again..

Cheers
post #6927 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Samsung UN65ES View Post

Many Thanks Again,
made me at ease, will try myself .. could you kindly show me again which page the setting was on? I can't find it again..
Cheers

There's plenty of different settings that have been posted. Before I got my own calibration disc, I was using Garnoch's settings, which are very good. You can find his settings by clicking his name next to one of his posts (there's some on this page). You'll then see the link to get you to his settings in his profile page.
post #6928 of 16126
Hi everyone I'm new to this thread and I was wondering if someone can tell me if micro dimming is active on all the picture modes but movie
post #6929 of 16126
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Originally Posted by seansingh7326 View Post

Hi everyone I'm new to this thread and I was wondering if someone can tell me if micro dimming is active on all the picture modes but movie

The only modes you should be using are Standard or Movie. The micro-dimming without hardware dimming voodoo is performed only in Standard mode, not in Movie mode. I assume, but am not positive, that it is also active in dynamic and natural.
post #6930 of 16126
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

I was quite surprised last night when I played my first 3D blu-ray that all my settings were not used, and all of a sudden my backlight was on 20. Do you guys use the same settings for 3D or bump up the brightness/backlight a little?

Yes. The TV remembers its settings at each mode, and since you never used 3D before, it was at factory default. Remember settings is fortunate since the settings for 3D tend to be different than any other. Ain't the pic sharp, though?
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