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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I have no regrets at all. Love it. I'm not sure I've heard of a 60" here with banding , but I doubt you'll be able to get away with not having a little flashlighting or clouding. Depending on your settings though, it can be a non-issue. My letterbox bars are very dark, sometimes impossible to see or visible on if I look directly at them. It was my understanding that the TV does not play Flash. Good luck!

Thank you, Really, no adobe flash support?? I thought I read the browser was adobe flash supported. Btw.. How is the viewing angle... I remember a few years ago with earlier Samsung LED's, if you tilted your head or glasses sidewards while watching 3D the picture would go dark. Is that still an issue?
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I got my new AVR by the way, the Onkyo TX-NR616. I won't plug it in until this weekend, but while starting the programming of my Harmony 700, I found something interesting - a definite downside to the AVR. Although it has 8 HDMI ins, only 6 of them are directly accessed from a remote code. HDMI 7 & 8 don't have codes, although you can map the "TV/CD" input (normally just analog or digital audio ins) to HMDI 7. That still leaves HDMI 8 accessible only my going into the input menu. That stinks. Luckily I don't need that many though so it will be a nonissue, for now.
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

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Thank you, Really, no adobe flash support?? I thought I read the browser was adobe flash supported. Btw.. How is the viewing angle... I remember a few years ago with earlier Samsung LED's, if you tilted your head or glasses sidewards while watching 3D the picture would go dark. Is that still an issue?

You're welcome. If I'm wrong about Flash, someone will correct me, but I think I'm right about that.

In 3D, I've actually been extremely impressed by the viewing angle. I know 3D is much improved in the TV over their past ones but I really can't speak for their older models. Normal viewing angle though isn't known for being the best, but it's never bothered me. In fact several of us here were very surprised to see an improvement in viewing angle after the latest firmware update - through we have no idea how that could have helped.
post #7384 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Hey blade, at least get your stories right when you are telling lies and trying to justify your purchase. At least be smart enough to go back to your older post and "edit" it to make the stories match.
...Okay Bolt, in the spirit of quality assurance and compliance and as a courtesy to fellow 8000 owners and possible buyers, I'll stand corrected to a degree and speak to your post...

Keeping track of other people's year and model of their own plasma's is not important to me since that technology is no longer impressive to me.

1-My brother in-law has a 1yr old Panny Plasma flagship, exact model number which I am not 100% sure of. After spending the holiday at their home, and watching alot of HD and bluray material under a wide range of dark to well lit conditions, ...I am 100% sure of the fact that the picture was FAR inferior to my Samsung 8000. In addition, the Panny Plasma was far inferior to at least 5 other top led/lcd models I was comparing the 8000 too. It was evident early in my extensive shopping and hard-core comparison plasma technology, in my eyes opinion, was absolutely inferior to all LED's periord. Not one plasma from any manufacture made it to my top 5 list as I was narrowing the field for a purchase decision.

2-My neighbor has the 2012/new vt; ... As a result of him wanting to share his purchase, I saw his tv in his man-cave (as well as extensive side-by-side at Magnolia)....I am 100% sure of the fact that the picture of the NEW Panny VT plasma was FAR inferior to my Samsung 8000. In addition, the Panny Plasma was far inferior to at least 5 other top led/lcd models I was comparing the 8000 too. It was evident early in my extensive shopping and hard-core comparison plasma technology, in my eyes opinion, was absolutely inferior to all LED's periord. Not one plasma from any manufacture made it to my top 5 list as I was narrowing the field for a purchase decision. My neighbor, after seeing my television, has wallowed into a weird zone of buyers remorse and one day soon, I wont be surprised if I see him waving me over to see his new tv because I truly think he is sending the Panny back to the store.

I have been 100% confident and comfortable with my buying decision right from the start, and everyone here knows that, because I did my due-diligence when shopping. Seeing the plasma panels discussed above only add's to my enthusiasm and joy over the ownership experience I have with my Samsung 8000led panel.

I think we have entered an era with picture technology and quality where where "professional and/or calibrator review and settings" are becoming irrelevent. I dont care about or care for pictures calibrated to 6500k as they are not vivid, clear enough or realistic enough at all and only seem to inhibit the abilities of great new panels.

Now Bolt, dont you have a plasma blog that you can visit and tweet upon????
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

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Thank you, Really, no adobe flash support?? I thought I read the browser was adobe flash supported. Btw.. How is the viewing angle... I remember a few years ago with earlier Samsung LED's, if you tilted your head or glasses sidewards while watching 3D the picture would go dark. Is that still an issue?
..Badabing, I can tell you that the only issue I have (and it's truly minor and tolerable) is flashlighting. This is more noticeable in Movie mode but, due to the amazing picture that I dialed in from this mode, it is an easy tradeoff. I have to say it was much less noticeable when tweaking from Standard mode BUT...Movie just provides a superior overall picture and I've been on this mode for quite a while.

Regarding 3D; amazing. 4 sets of free glasses. No dimming issue or drop outs. Best 3D pic I saw during my shopping and comparison crunch.

Letterbox. These bars are mostly or always black or so dark enough that I dont recall even "tweeting" about it on this forum...a total non-issue.
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

You're welcome. If I'm wrong about Flash, someone will correct me, but I think I'm right about that.

I'm a little confused about this TV's ability to play flash video. I found this post by someone else;

"Samsung use very old version of Flash Player 10.1.105.7 (same as previous firmware 1006.1) You can check it opening next link with TV web browser: Adobe - Flash Player. Many web pages need at least 10.2.xxx.x to open correctly. Most up to date version is currently 11.2.202.235".

Can someone please check the recent flash version in the TV. I believe just going to Adobe Flash site there's an area that tells you what version is installed in the TV. Thanks.
Edited by badabing - 12/5/12 at 6:15am
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Hmmm, I'm confused too then. We'll have to let someone else take it from here on that.
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Originally Posted by Bladerunner1959 View Post

...Okay Bolt, in the spirit of quality assurance and compliance and as a courtesy to fellow 8000 owners and possible buyers, I'll stand corrected to a degree and speak to your post...
Keeping track of other people's year and model of their own plasma's is not important to me since that technology is no longer impressive to me.
1-My brother in-law has a 1yr old Panny Plasma flagship, exact model number which I am not 100% sure of. After spending the holiday at their home, and watching alot of HD and bluray material under a wide range of dark to well lit conditions, ...I am 100% sure of the fact that the picture was FAR inferior to my Samsung 8000. In addition, the Panny Plasma was far inferior to at least 5 other top led/lcd models I was comparing the 8000 too. It was evident early in my extensive shopping and hard-core comparison plasma technology, in my eyes opinion, was absolutely inferior to all LED's periord. Not one plasma from any manufacture made it to my top 5 list as I was narrowing the field for a purchase decision.
2-My neighbor has the 2012/new vt; ... As a result of him wanting to share his purchase, I saw his tv in his man-cave (as well as extensive side-by-side at Magnolia)....I am 100% sure of the fact that the picture of the NEW Panny VT plasma was FAR inferior to my Samsung 8000. In addition, the Panny Plasma was far inferior to at least 5 other top led/lcd models I was comparing the 8000 too. It was evident early in my extensive shopping and hard-core comparison plasma technology, in my eyes opinion, was absolutely inferior to all LED's periord. Not one plasma from any manufacture made it to my top 5 list as I was narrowing the field for a purchase decision. My neighbor, after seeing my television, has wallowed into a weird zone of buyers remorse and one day soon, I wont be surprised if I see him waving me over to see his new tv because I truly think he is sending the Panny back to the store.
I have been 100% confident and comfortable with my buying decision right from the start, and everyone here knows that, because I did my due-diligence when shopping. Seeing the plasma panels discussed above only add's to my enthusiasm and joy over the ownership experience I have with my Samsung 8000led panel.
I think we have entered an era with picture technology and quality where where "professional and/or calibrator review and settings" are becoming irrelevent. I dont care about or care for pictures calibrated to 6500k as they are not vivid, clear enough or realistic enough at all and only seem to inhibit the abilities of great new panels.
Now Bolt, dont you have a plasma blog that you can visit and tweet upon????
..Badabing, I can tell you that the only issue I have (and it's truly minor and tolerable) is flashlighting. This is more noticeable in Movie mode but, due to the amazing picture that I dialed in from this mode, it is an easy tradeoff. I have to say it was much less noticeable when tweaking from Standard mode BUT...Movie just provides a superior overall picture and I've been on this mode for quite a while.
Regarding 3D; amazing. 4 sets of free glasses. No dimming issue or drop outs. Best 3D pic I saw during my shopping and comparison crunch.
Letterbox. These bars are mostly or always black or so dark enough that I dont recall even "tweeting" about it on this forum...a total non-issue.


o0o0HHHHh.... Now the sotries change a little... UHHHH HUH.... biggrin.gif My analysis was completely different when I had several high end sets (Including the ES8000) in a dark room with controlled lighting. All sets were calibrated using spectra cal with a full 10P white balance. They were all side by side running same content on various movies/test discs. So I did not see what all the hype was about from this thread. This is my opinion so if you are happy with your es8000, then great. I am waiting on my Christmas bonus to buy something. I have it narrowed down to 2 sets now. The Elite, or the VT50. I was spoiled and recently had a 9G Kuro that broke over the summer. Sad Sad day mad.gif The only TV's I feel comfortable replacing my Pioneer Kuro Elite with as of right now is the Elite and VT50. Although I am leaning more towards a VT50 because my eyes are used to the motion of a plasma. I started reading this thread awhile ago, and decided to get the ES8000 in for my personal shootout. This thread was very helpful on making the decision of testing this set. Although I will say I was a bit disappointing after my final results. If anyone want's to hear more on this, please send me a PM.
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/5/12 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Hmmm, I'm confused too then. We'll have to let someone else take it from here on that.

Ok, thanks again.

Hopefully someone at their TV can navigate to Adobe website and report back on what version they find is installed in this TV. I am interested to know if has been updated from recent firmware revisions.
Edited by badabing - 12/5/12 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

o0o0HHHHh.... Now the sotries change a little... UHHHH HUH.... biggrin.gif My analysis was completely different when I had several high end sets (Including the ES8000) in a dark room with controlled lighting. All sets were calibrated using spectra cal with a full 10P white balance. They were all side by side running same content on various movies/test discs. So I did not see what all the hype was about from this thread. This is my opinion so if you are happy with your es8000, then great. I am waiting on my Christmas bonus to buy something. I have it narrowed down to 2 sets now. The Elite, or the VT50. I was spoiled and recently had a 9G Kuro that broke over the summer. Sad Sad day mad.gif The only TV's I feel comfortable replacing my Pioneer Kuro Elite with as of right now is the Elite and VT50. Although I am leaning more towards a VT50 because my eyes are used to the motion of a plasma. I started reading this thread awhile ago, and decided to get the ES8000 in for my personal shootout. This thread was very helpful on making the decision of testing this set. Although I will say I was a bit disappointing after my final results. If anyone want's to hear more on this, please send me a PM.

Sounds great! You've got a birthday coming up too very soon, so maybe mom can help out with that purchase. Let us know how you make out. We're really interested to hear - based on your extensive research, backed by expert analysis and feedback, I have no doubt you'll make the right choice.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

Cinema Black was a nice feature, glad to see that back on the new ES9000. Now as I understand it this set is not full array. That to me, makes it more of a cross between the ES8000 & the D8000

WoW.. I was just reading about "Cinema Black" .,, It seems to turns the backlight dimming off around letterbox bars.. That is a great idea.. Is this on the ES8000? How well does it work..
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

o0o0HHHHh.... Now the sotries change a little... UHHHH HUH.... biggrin.gif My analysis was completely different when I had several high end sets (Including the ES8000) in a dark room with controlled lighting. All sets were calibrated using spectra cal with a full 10P white balance. They were all side by side running same content on various movies/test discs. So I did not see what all the hype was about from this thread. This is my opinion so if you are happy with your es8000, then great. I am waiting on my Christmas bonus to buy something. I have it narrowed down to 2 sets now. The Elite, or the VT50. I was spoiled and recently had a 9G Kuro that broke over the summer. Sad Sad day mad.gif The only TV's I feel comfortable replacing my Pioneer Kuro Elite with as of right now is the Elite and VT50. Although I am leaning more towards a VT50 because my eyes are used to the motion of a plasma. I started reading this thread awhile ago, and decided to get the ES8000 in for my personal shootout. This thread was very helpful on making the decision of testing this set. Although I will say I was a bit disappointing after my final results. If anyone want's to hear more on this, please send me a PM.

I don't think this conclusion should come as a surprise to anyone. It sounds like your criteria is predominantly very very high PQ under one single viewing condition (well controlled dark room). IF that is the main or only criteria I know I wouldn't take issue with your conclusion.

Layer in cost, or bright room, or fit in an existing enclosure (ie tiny bezel) considerations and the conclusion might be different.

There really isn't much point to arguing about which one is the "best". A pick up truck does nicely for hauling rocks around and trash to the dump....A 911 Turbo does nicely for hauling hot chicks around town at high speeds. No point in arguing about which one is "better" without defined criteria.
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Originally Posted by 7011jrs View Post

Sounds great! You've got a birthday coming up too very soon, so maybe mom can help out with that purchase. Let us know how you make out. We're really interested to hear - based on your extensive research, backed by expert analysis and feedback, I have no doubt you'll make the right choice.
Good luck!

Thank's for being confident that I Will make the right choice, it really means a lot to me, Especially since I was spoiled with my Pioneer Elite Kuro for so many years.
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

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WoW.. I was just reading about "Cinema Black" .,, It seems to turns the backlight dimming off around letterbox bars.. That is a great idea.. Is this on the ES8000? How well does it work..

nope it does not turn off the lights for the top and bottom bars, on the ES models the black is so good by the software algorithms, thats it doesn't need to be turned off at all...Thats what Samsung says...In my experience those black bars cant get any blacker & darker to be honest...it looks like they are turned off in actuality...
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

nope it does not turn off the lights for the top and bottom bars, on the ES models the black is so good by the software algorithms, thats it doesn't need to be turned off at all...Thats what Samsung says...In my experience those black bars cant get any blacker & darker to be honest...it looks like they are turned off in actuality...

Mmm... Just searched and looks like the D8000 had it and now only the ES9000 has it. So Samsung is claiming the ES8000 doesn't need "Cinema Black" but their more costly es9000 does?
Edited by badabing - 12/5/12 at 8:38am
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IMO plasmas are pretty horrible in my viewing conditions, which is rarely "man cave light". This TV is way better for daytime football and stuff. It seems like a lot of posts in this forum are about tweaking the TV for dark Blurays and stuff rather than sports and regular HDTV shows. One observation on the 3D glasses: they do sort of act as sunglasses. If you look through them and pop out the battery they lighten up significantly. That affects the viewing to me. Does anyone increase the set's brightness when they watch 3D?
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

IMO plasmas are pretty horrible in my viewing conditions, which is rarely "man cave light". This TV is way better for daytime football and stuff. It seems like a lot of posts in this forum are about tweaking the TV for dark Blurays and stuff rather than sports and regular HDTV shows. One observation on the 3D glasses: they do sort of act as sunglasses. If you look through them and pop out the battery they lighten up significantly. That affects the viewing to me. Does anyone increase the set's brightness when they watch 3D?
YES indeed!
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Mmm... Just searched and looks like the D8000 had it and now only the ES9000 has it. So Samsung is claiming the es8000 doesn't need "Cinema Black" but their more costly es9000 does?

I know bro, kinda fishy huh? why does the D8000 have and the ES8000 doesn't? who knows....

Maybe it has to do with the size, I know the ES9000 are only offered in 75".... but for $9000... I would spend a quarter of the money on a 3D HD Projector and Equiment for my basement movie room with pleanty of money left over....and I could get a 120" pictures easily...

$9000 IS WAY TOO MUCH......., WASTE OF MONEY
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

$9000 IS WAY TOO MUCH......., WASTE OF MONEY

I absolutely, 100%, completely agree with you. smile.gif
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Is anyone in this thread using a Darbee Darblet for this set?
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

Is anyone in this thread using a Darbee Darblet for this set?

Not I, but I would consider it. This is a good read....
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-darblet/
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

I absolutely, 100%, completely agree with you. smile.gif

It does cost too much but it has a beautiful PQ and as far as it seems to me without all the problems of the 65ES8000
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Originally Posted by Shagz View Post

Does anyone place a center channel speaker right in front of the tv? If so what kind. TV stand we just purchased does not have a place for a "center" speaker. Will be off to left or right.
Thanks all

I had my handyman build a platform for the TV. Also, there are very low profile center channel speakers available.
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Not I, but I would consider it. This is a good read....
http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-darblet/

yeh... I've been off and on reading up for monthson this little device and it gets great reviews from alot of reputable sources. But i really wanted to get feed back from a es owner.
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Well, not sure how to get rid of a post, so I will just say Happy Holidays to everyone in the thread! smile.gif
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/5/12 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

yeh... I've been off and on reading up for monthson this little device and it gets great reviews from alot of reputable sources. But i really wanted to get feed back from a es owner.
I like the review. Especially since it sounds like the reviewer is a very skeptical dude when it comes to this stuff. I never bought a Monster Cable or one of the expensive HDMI wires. I'd consider it if Garnoch springs for it and likes it too, but only if he does it before he douses the lights and starts hitting the Jack Daniels lol.
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That was funny! smile.gif No you won't see me buying that stuff, especially in a digital world. I feel very much like the review does. There is a lot of snake oil out there. But I agree that the reviewer is the reason I'd be willing to try that too. You can't take a little thumbnail pic and turn it into an HD image. You only have the information that's there to begin with. In theaters or professional editing suites, they don't process the picture to make it look "higher" def, know what I mean? We can always just turn our Sharpness up to 50 or 100 haha. So I just try going for the original signal. That being said, the reviewer has a point that a TV has processing too, so perhaps it just comes down to where you can get the best yet minimal processing. Just ask RicoFB - he says his old Yamaha's processing is better than the TVs. He might be right. I hope his Elite beats it though, or I'm taking it for a steal haha. Monster? Monoprice, baby!

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I'll say though that I think the Samsung ES has some great processing in it. Sometimes I swear its up-res'd 720p looks better than 1080i, then again I'm in the camp of thinking 720 usually looks better than 1080i. Even SD though looks WAY better than the older Sony HDTV it replaced. I'm sure the processing in the ES is better than my new Onkyo 616, so I have no intent on using it's processing.
Edited by Garnoch - 12/5/12 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I like the review. Especially since it sounds like the reviewer is a very skeptical dude when it comes to this stuff. I never bought a Monster Cable or one of the expensive HDMI wires. I'd consider it if Garnoch springs for it and likes it too, but only if he does it before he douses the lights and starts hitting the Jack Daniels lol.

This Darbee fella is supposedly the inventor of the universal remote.
As it stands, it's in my want list and probably soon. I've got a feeling this is just a prototype for testing consumer feed back and from my view it looks good. They've got a higher end device introduced at CES that's suppose to retail for much more.http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-fidelio-cedia/ at 300$ for the moment doesnt sound to bad, they will probably license thistech to tv suppliers in the near futur
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Just got my new Pioneer Elite SC-65 receiver yesterday and made all the connections and hooked it up last night. It took a while to configure properly as I am new to Pioneer's receivers. Went to bed around 1:30 AM. Geez, Louise - - this stuff gets addicting!

The SC-65 is a "Class D" receiver (which I know nothing about BUT it is only 330 watts versus the 490 watts for the Yamaha RX-A2000.) And - - it's 9.1 X 130 watts per channel versus 7.1 X 130 for the Yamaha. Still can't beat the Yamaha remote and OSD (On Screen Display). Best in the business.

The reason I upgraded was for the sound fields (DTS Neo:X and Dolby IIz) as well as the 11.1 speaker support (Front Wide and Front Height speakers cannot produce sounds simultaneously). The MCAAC Pioneer room calibration did a great job of optimizing my 11.1 speakers.

First impressions? WOW !!! DTS Neo:X is very, very cool. It works best with a DTS-HD Master Recording (Bluray) and you can really hear all 11.1 speakers. What really gives the audio a punch is the front wide speakers - - I'm amazed at how much depth is added to the soundtrack. It really does immerse you in sound - - if you like that sort of thing.

I'm going to rent Expendables II from Blockbuster this week - - it's one of the first movies specifically encoded with a DTS Neo: X (11.1) soundtrack. As long as Blockbuster doesn't have only the modified version, it should be fun! I'll post some Pics of the "man cave" setup with the new Pioneer SC-65 soon.
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Just got my new Pioneer Elite SC-65 receiver yesterday and made all the connections and hooked it up last night. It took a while to configure properly as I am new to Pioneer's receivers. Went to bed around 1:30 AM. Geez, Louise - - this stuff gets addicting!
The SC-65 is a "Class D" receiver (which I know nothing about BUT it is only 330 watts versus the 490 watts for the Yamaha RX-A2000.) And - - it's 9.1 X 130 watts per channel versus 7.1 X 130 for the Yamaha. Still can't beat the Yamaha remote and OSD (On Screen Display). Best in the business.
The reason I upgraded was for the sound fields (DTS Neo:X and Dolby IIz) as well as the 11.1 speaker support (Front Wide and Front Height speakers cannot produce sounds simultaneously). The MCAAC Pioneer room calibration did a great job of optimizing my 11.1 speakers.
First impressions? WOW !!! DTS Neo:X is very, very cool. It works best with a DTS-HD Master Recording (Bluray) and you can really hear all 11.1 speakers. What really gives the audio a punch is the front wide speakers - - I'm amazed at how much depth is added to the soundtrack. It really does immerse you in sound - - if you like that sort of thing.
I'm going to rent Expendables II from Blockbuster this week - - it's one of the first movies specifically encoded with a DTS Neo: X (11.1) soundtrack. As long as Blockbuster doesn't have only the modified version, it should be fun! I'll post some Pics of the "man cave" setup with the new Pioneer SC-65 soon.

Pioneer Elite is top notch stuff. I'm still sad they exited the TV industry. So sad mad.gif The day my 9G Kuro died, I almost got sick I was so mad and sad. Smart buy on the receiver and congrats!
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

This Darbee fella is supposedly the inventor of the universal remote.
As it stands, it's in my want list and probably soon. I've got a feeling this is just a prototype for testing consumer feed back and from my view it looks good. They've got a higher end device introduced at CES that's suppose to retail for much more.http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/darbeevision-fidelio-cedia/ at 300$ for the moment doesnt sound to bad, they will probably license thistech to tv suppliers in the near futur

Damn you, I have speakers and a guitar to buy.
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