Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 248

Happy holidays even to a plasma guy in an LCD thread I guess
I still know you're buying one for Christmas.

I'd be interested to hear any feedback from this Forum's users if they have tried this technology.

For the extra $300 - - I'd invest in upgrading your receiver and hopefully find one with video processing (upscaling). I know that the major sellers of AVR's are looking for ways to add benefits to their products - - and video upscaling is certainly one way to do it.

Plus - - they can buy the technology (or use it) for a fraction of the cost that consumers will pay for a stand alone solution.

It also looks a little clunky - - a hub on steroids. Sounds like a great deal for cable manufacturers, though!

But you know what - - if it works for you, then great! If it's an effective way to improve your picture quality at a low cost - - then go for it.

Nice update, thanks, man! I love sound of course, but I'm curious how the video processing holds up against your Yamaha, because i know you swore by that. Are you happy?
And my wife and I can't wait to see Expendables 2. My daughter's boyfriend makes fun of us for liking the first one. We'll listen in lousy 5.1 though.

Thanks Bolt989 - - wishing you a very Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. Hope you get the TV of your dreams.

We never know what we get until we open the box, plug that sucker in and run her through all the tests. (Is that you, Forrest?)

That's what we do.....

Garnoch - - good point. I was concerned about the video processing, as well, but I read as much about Qdeo scaling as I could and it looks top notch.

I can't tell much of a difference - - the picture looks great but it seems that the very minimal vertical banding I get on some shots is even less. I also dropped my backlight down to 10 from 12. Very good detail and it's a little faster when working in conjunction with my Directv receiver.

The ARC works great - - I just push "TV" on the Pioneer remote and the audio signal (broadcast 5.1) from my OTA antenna connection goes straight to the receiver in Dolby Digital. I haven't tested the apps. from Samsung but I suspect that should work just the same.

The big difference is in the sound field. It's really cool - - and I'm gonna blast out everyone with the Expendables II this weekend!

Like I said before - - I like 3D and audio that hits you like a Muhammad Ali stiff jab. That's the kinda guy I am!

You're telling me you have 11 freaking speakers? Ok back, side, front and front wide. Where are the other 2? Are they all about the same size? How do you find stuff that's decoded for 11.1? I have 5.1 of course, but I had no idea.

BigNewt - Configuration as follows:

(2) Front Right and Front Left - Paradigm Studio 60's

(2) Front Right Wide and Front Wide Left - Mirage Nanosats

(2) Front Right Height & Front Left Height - Mirage Nanosats

(1) Center - Four Orb Speakers (Two Mod 2's wired together)

(2) Left Rear Surround and Right Rear Surround - Orb Mod 2's

(2) Left Surround and Right Surround Back - Mirage Nanosats

(.1) Sub-Woofer - Velodyne

I initially started with a 7.1 setup - - then 9.1 with Yamaha "Presence Speakers" - Front Right and Left Height (2) - - but this was "matrixed" sound that was taking away from the rears.

Since most audio is 5.1 and very few soundtracks are in 7.1 - - I started to wonder if my investment in speakers wasn't worth the effort. Then, about a month ago, I discovered DTS Neo:X. I've attached a white paper for anyone who would like to read about this technology.

What sold it for me and hence the upgrade to the Pioneer Elite SC-65 was the advent of "discrete" channel information - audio cues as "upmixed" by DTS Neo:X. It really works with any DTS-HD Master Recording. it's very cool and solves a problem of not having many 7.1 encoded soundtracks (although a lot of newer 3D discs have 7.1) The Expendables II is one of the first discs to be fully encoded with DTS Neo: 11.1 (if Blockbuster or Netflix include the soundtrack with the BD)

So - -the best use in my opinion is to have a 5.1 or 7.1 DTS-HD recording and use DTS Neo:X decoding for the full 11.1 channels. It's suppose to work with Dolby Digital, as well, but I find Dolby IIz better for that format (7.1). I'm also discovering that "wide surround" really gives the feeling of being in the theater - - sound everywhere but with dedicated, discrete channels. The SC-65 was to ensure 9.1 channel processing - - clean power to 9.1 channels with the Front Right Height and Front Left Height sharing a channel, so to speak, with the Front Right Wide and Front Left Wide in a full 11.1 configuration - - they can't process a signal at the same time (simultaneously) but can bounce back and forth between each other which is pretty cool.

Sorry for the long explanation and I hope I didn't confuse anyone but I'm really enjoying the added depth and imaging. And for my first Pioneer experience - - I'm very pleased. Very clear, pinpoint imaging - - even for a hard of hearing person like myself. DTS_NeoX_White_Paper.pdf 685k .pdf file

DAMN! Nice!

Can someone give a quick check of the Adobe Flash version..

After finding and reading the below quoted post I am curious to know if it got upgraded since 10.1.105.7;

"Samsung use very old version of Flash Player 10.1.105.7 (same as previous firmware 1006.1) You can check it opening next link with TV web browser: Adobe - Flash Player. Many web pages need at least 10.2.xxx.x to open correctly. Most up to date version is currently 11.2.202.235".

I believe just by going to Adobe Flash site, there's an area that you click on that tells you what flash version is installed in the TV. Thanks.
Edited by badabing - 12/5/12 at 8:43pm

....Happy Holidays Bolt!.... Money aside, since you are obviously budgeted...get the Elite, it's far nicer than any plasma I saw. There is a "crystal clear clarity" to the Elite and the 8000 that no plasma displayed to me. Dont get me wrong, I'm impressed with what the VT produces...just not enough as compared to the "other" technology....That said, I think you will secretly buy the 8000! ... Hey, I say i'd buy the Elite if money was not the issue yet...from an aestethic point of view, it would make me crazy to to spend all that money and it doesnt look nearly as sexy cool as the 8000 which just floats in my family room....that thin bezel on a 60' panel...looks crazy badazzz just ...just even when it's off....and when its on...its definately worth the bucks. The Elite is NOT worth twice the bucks....you dont get twice the quality...if i had to put a % on it , i'll say the Elite is worth a 15-20% surcharge...maybe...and you still get "fat" design as opposed to the sexy panel that the 8000, LG and Panny bring.

Enjoy your purchase...you can tweet here anytime...cuz you know you wanna join us!!!!!

Actually own a ES7100 but not getting much help there...I see a lot of different settings posted which i asume are good for watching movies...I was wondering what kind of settings you are using for videogames? Anyone have some good starting points for a PS3?
Edited by ruffstik - 12/6/12 at 7:39am

I wanted to ask the same question also. Does anyone have settings recommendations for the PS3 and the 360? Mainly for video games for the 360, and mostly BR-movies for the PS3.

Currently I'm using Garnoch's "standard" settings for all 3 inputs and they look great in my opinion. Watched Dark Knight Rises last night and the parts filmed w/ the IMAX camera are amazing.

I also wanted to ask, is there any recommendations for settings when you're in 3D and the additional settings become available?

Hey, thanks for the Advice Blade, but like I said I have seen these sets side by side. If you lurk around closely with the santa spirit and maybe with the help of Rudolph the red nose reindeer, you may be able to find what I am getting! I made up my mind and put in a order :-)


Have a wonderful HoHoHo! Holiday!

I'm not a hardcore gamer (I have a PlayStation and Wii U), so someone else maybe should answer that question, but I can tell you I'm a fan of an optimized picture, regardless of signal, so I keep the same settings.... but with some processing changes - I turn off superfluous settings to lower lag - no AMP, no noise filters, etc. Sometimes I do turn on Black Tone though. Also, for the Wii U, I noticed I do need to turn HDMI Black Level to Low, like my DirecTV DVR.

For 3D, I use my same settings for why I listed above, but have the backlight brighter to counteract the glasses - similar to how 3D movies in the theater are played brighter.

Badabing, I swear I'll try to remember to check this tonight.

That was funny. So VT it is? Regardless of if you're happy or not with it in your home, after you get it set up, you now owe it to us to report in, okay?

Hey Bolt989 -

Please let us know when your VT50 starts buzzing and hissing. And...if you could...keep us apprised of your utility bills - - heating and cooling - - so we can measure the effects of Plasma power consumption versus our much beloved Sammy LCD/LED sets.

Just kidding!!!!

Looking forward to your report and hope whatever you buy gets delivered in pristine shape and all works out well. This should be a fun experience and it's quite a rush to finally make your decision and get it all setup in your viewing environment.

FYI - - couldn't be happier with my new Pioneer SC-65 receiver. Sound processing - DTS Neo:X & Dolby IIz as well as others is awesome. Video processing via QDEO is superb - - as I mentioned before - - I have very, very slight vertical banding on my 65" and it's even less noticeable now. Although folks say that it's totally a panel problem (mostly correct) - I still believe that video processing can clean up a lot of problems.

I had to lower my backlight from 12 down to 10 - - the Pioneer SC-65 also consumes less power than my Yamaha RX-A2000 (330 watts versus 490 watts) and drives 9.2 (11.1 with FW & FH) to boot.

Enjoy your new TV! When does it get delivered? (And the fun begins!)

Well,

I looked at the ES8000 last night at Best Buy.. I, nor the salesman could get the letterbox bars completely black without "some" flashlighting in the corners and middle area. There was also some very mild flashlighting on the screen's sides.

As reported earlier, the prior D8000 has a feature called "Cinema Black" on/off. When set to on, the D8000 turns off the backlight on the top/bottom edges of the screen area of the letterbox bars. This keeps them clean and
Light bleed free. For 2012, the smart brains at Samsung decided to delete this feature on the ES8000 and only add it to the giant screened ES9000. So I checked out the ES9000 and the letterbox bars were pure black and as clean as the screen. Once inside the ES9000's menu I confirmed that "Cinema Black" was turned on. I was really interested in getting the ES8000, but now i am very disappointed that a 2011 D8000 would have this option and only the 2012 ES9000 as well, but the ES8000 gets this option removed. I feel this is a bad move on Samsung's behalf. This feature actually works.

*I do not know the firmware version of the 60ES8000 that was on display.
Edited by badabing - 12/6/12 at 8:40am

I believe Samsung had said they got rid of Cinema Black because that hardware solution was creating a halo effect with some images, but I could be messed up at this point. After the 9000 came out, I started to assume they either fixed that issue or just caught enough slack for getting rid of it, and that it may reappear in next years models. Mine is dark enough to be a non issue and even darker than the Panny plasma I have at work, but being it bothered you that much, maybe hold off a few months.
Edited by Garnoch - 12/6/12 at 9:19am

Are you just trying to make me feel like I should have forked over more money for the Elite? I'm feeling really blue now, man, and I haven't even plugged in my Onkyo yet. Come on.
That's awesome news though, RFB, thanks for the update!

Garnoch - - absolutely not! If your configuration is 5.1 speakers - - then all the fancy upmixing on the audio side (Dolby IIz & DTS Neo:X) isn't applicable. You'll do just fine with your Onkyo and it handles everything you need - - Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.

BUT - (just saw the movie "Lawless" where the lead character played by Tom Hardy says - "My daddy always told me to not listen to ANYTHING before the BUT !!! - but not in the case, though)

If you are considering 7.1 or greater speaker setup - - especially 9.1 or 11.1 - - then it really makes sense to have an upgraded receiver to handle Dolby IIz & especially DTS Neo:X. I think the latter is really a game changer for home theater systems, sonic wise.

And the video processing - - I've seen some alternatives listed here (no feedback yet on the Darbee Darblet) that can cost effectively help on the video processing side.

So for your listening environment - - you made a great choice. Especially the price!

When (notice I'm not saying "if") you move to your 600,000 gigawatt, 32 speaker "Atmos" setup - - complete with the "Flux Capacitor" - - you'll know what I mean!

Aw you're too nice - I know you know I was busting on you though. I think you're setup is awesome.

600,000 gigawatts? 600,000 gigawatts? Not only will I have that someday, I honestly am going to buy a DeLorean too! i mean that one.

Would you happen to know what got upgraded this year on the ES8000 vs last years D8000, in terms of picture quality.

I have not tried my Darbee Darblet on either one of my two 60"-8000 series Samsung's but, I think it has been a great addition to our main HT room that has a 120" screen/JVC DLA-HD950 in it currently (Have a new DLA-X75R on order) 4K projector and will be using the Darbee with the new projector. It is incredible the detail this little device bring's out in the picture. I have a Denon 5308CI (9.2 setup) doing video processing but the Darbee adds a lot to that.

Nice setup! what kind of screen are you using with your projector?

I've read the whole darbee thread hoping somebody with the 8000 would comment on it. I'm not sure how your setup is but if it wouldnt be to much to ask, could you give me some feed back on on darbee/8000. If not I understand some setups are a pain to get to.

Wow - great setup! I checked out the Denon 5308CI on Amazon and it's around $5K for the receiver! Pretty beefy but no video processing? Am I missing something?

It doesn't make sense to me that a receiver that high end (at least for me!) would not have video upscaling and if it did, why would a $300 Darbee Darblet improve the picture?

I'm not trying to be negative here and appreciate your post. I know that projectors are a totally different beast all together. I suspect that if you have adequate "upscaling" with an AVR on your Sammy LED/LCD that a Darbee Darblet would be redundant and could actually degrade the picture - - regardless of your TV.

Can you confirm whether the Denon 5308CI that you have has any video upscaling? Very interesting.

Heck - - if I can improve my picture by adding more processing for $300 - - on top of my QDEO processing (Pioneer Elite SC-65 AVR) - count me in and there goes part of my Xmas bonus!

Shhh - careful, don't criticize Samsung too loud - there may be a Sasmung fan in here who gets offended and starts telling you Samsung is a multi-billion dollar company and never makes mistakes because they do market research.

Seriously though, I agree that it's unfortunate for consumers that they took tech away from this years' list of features that used to be in last years' sets. That's never a good thing for the consumer, and I know that cinema-black feature was liked by many people (I was sad to hear they weren't on this years' sets too), so it probably hasn't helped their bottom line either. Who really says "well, I was going to buy the 800, but only the 9000 has cinema black, so I guess I'll just spend another $7,000!!)? Nobody - totally different customers. And the cinema black is clearly not a $7000 feature because it was in last years' 8000 so it was pretty lousy of them to take it away - at least leave the option for those who like it. Samsung doesn't seem to like to give us control over certain settings.

I turned on the tv today, and after about 2 minutes, the smarthub screen popped up for a moment as usual thanks to the newly-introduced bug. But then, all of a sudden, in the top-right corner of the screen was a little box saying "updating...". It was there for over a minute, then vanished. I did not ask it to do an update.

I have no idea what it did. Is it updating the smarthub? Is there some way to stop this set from "updating" when I'm watching tv. What if I'm in the middle of a movie - I don't want that to pop up the screen. It should never update without me asking it to.

I've seen my ES7100 do this too (not recently). It appears to be the Smart Hub update and I have no idea how to stop it...

Eagle_2 - - Samsung Corporate has read your posts to this forum and just like Anthony, you are now being monitored 7 x 24 X 365 - including "camera" snapshots, much like a video cam set at updating with one picture every 30 seconds being transmitted back to the Sammy police in S. Korea.

All seriousness aside - - you should be able to turn off an updating and that shouldn't be happening. I always have to initiate any firmware updates and it doesn't even check any version unless I tell it to. (No automatic updating.)

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