Official Samsung UNxxES8000 Owner's Thread - Page 257

I think that although you feel the other movies are okay, they actually need it too. If you're seeing somewhat washed out pictures, I'm pretty sure the correct setting for HDMI Black Level in you setup is Low, otherwise chances are that HDMI Black Level would be greyed out, defaulted to Normal. Can something be changed on the PS3 instead? I don't know.

I have the same setup as you. I'm not sure I exactly follow what's going on here, but even if you change your HDMI Black level to Low in the Samsung menu, when you play back a Blu-ray from your PS3, that setting automatically switches to Normal and is grayed out. You can confirm this by looking at the TV menu during Blu-ray playback. This is perfectly normal because Blu-ray playback is not RGB (games are, but that's a different story). Making changes to the PS3's RGB settings should have no effect on Blu-ray movie playback. Are you watching The Avengers in 2D or 3D? I can check my copy tonight, but so far, I only watched the 3D version and don't recall seeing anything unusual. Don't forget though, the first two thirds of this film is very dark (especially in 3D) due to the way it was shot. It's possible that you are seeing the effect of another of your TV settings with regards to black level that manifests itself more with this particular film.

The for the Costco Canada Square Trade info. Do you know what Costco's 'Concierge service' is?

Quote:
'2 Years Costco Concierge Plus 3 Years, Extended Protection = 5 Years Total | Item # 297903"

Will Costco honour this Concierge Service for a TV not purchased from them? Thx.

Sent from THE GODFATHER (Samsung Galaxy Note II)

Godfather, I believe the Concierge Service is the American Express Costco card. When you buy an electronic with it you get an extra year warranty. Since most TVs have 1-year warranty, use of the Amex card doubles your warranty. When you get Squaretrade, it adds 3 more years. The Squaretrade rep. told me that if I don't use Amex, I get 4 years total with Squaretrade but 5 years with the Amex.

BTW - when I finished completing the Squaretrade form online the final page said the item was purchased at Costco even though I filled out the name of another non-Costco dealer. I called Squaretrade and they said this is how it is done and to submit a scanned dealer receipt by email directly to Squaretrade. Cheers.

Absolutely, this isn't a fanboy thread. That article states the honest and objective drawbacks of LCD/LED. Very informative for user's who are not familiar with banding, and uniformity. IMO nothing is worse than a non uniform screen, especially when watching a letterbox or dark movie such as harry potter.

BTW, great write up there Garnoch.


-Santa
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/10/12 at 8:12am

Badabing - this is a great app! I appreciate the information.

Earlier in this thread, a few of us were talking about 3d Content, and having that "pop-out" effect. I used this app to stream some Youtube 3D demo content that really hand that gimmicky pop out effect that you see in some of the demos... I mean like a couple inches in front of your face type pop out at maybe 12 feet from my set.

For those that were looking for that demo-type, pop out, super exaggerated effect, just go to youtube and search for "3d". There is a guy with a sword in one of them that is quite impressive.

The Zappo app streams at 720p, so the quality is pretty good. It is fun to play with anyway.

I want to express my thanks and praise for the work Garnoch has done on this forum. To write an Idiot's Guide right after getting a new AVR shows dedication and commitment to helping others in this all encompassing HT subculture. I've probably followed postings for about 75 pages (the early ones in March and now more recent ones) and I'm getting a sense of the regulars here. Garnoch stands a head above with his positive and helping attitude in the online spirit of sharing and spreading knowledge and enthusiasm for these big boy toys. Garnoch, you hit a home run with the Idiot's Guide. I have printed it and will report back after checking this new 65".

We live in a new neighborhood where my wife formed a book club and the women like getting together while we guys stay separate in our caves. We had a few neighbors over and the joke of a movie club came up. I'm going to do it with this new HT. I'll invite the guys over for a movie while the girls yak and drink wine. There will be no one in the house to say "turn it down". Ha ha.

Get some rest, Garnoch and enjoy your stuff.

Agreed - very helpful, and much appreciated. It took some effort to put all of that information together, and Garnoch is generally responsive on most issues or sharing of feedback in general. I am using his settings (pretty close anyway) on my set, and that made a HUGE difference in my enjoyment of this TV.

Thanks again, Garnoch!

For me, I purchased the Square Trade Warranty online through Costco (I am not a Costco Member), and I also received the 5 years. The Costco Concierge simply refers to the online ordering service. My understanding was that I would get my 1 year manufacturer's warranty, plus the 3 year ST warranty from Costco. When it showed up as 2 + 3, I actually called and questioned as i didnt want any potential issues down the road - they confirmed, and it continues to be confirmed online, as a 5 year warranty.

Others, and i think Garnoch was one, purchased their sets and warranty about the same time I got mine, and got the 4 years, not the 5. I will let Garnoch speak to that though.

Thank you! I finally placed an order for this TV. Best Buy had a Rewards Zone members only sale last night. Got $500 off the sale price.

I used settings here in this post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396145/solved-calman-v4-5-w-i1display-pro-help-with-samsung-unxxd8000/0_50#post_21696495

Firmware version 1034.

i did not see all those options in the 10p white balance.

Dropped my backlight to 5 and watched batman rises. some scenes were a little dark for my taste. then again its a dark movie, rest of the movie looks flawless, too good to be true. Use the TV all day watching various Netflix and backup copies. TV seemed to adjust better.

Out of the box i ran the standard setting to get things rolling. maybe i need to tweak this a little more then she will be a keeper (tv not the wife,lol) What do you guys think i can try?

One issue i still have is still get a studder in some movie scenes, usually fight scenes. i will need to test to see if its from streaming or tv, A poster above said to change the judder setting, I dont see that anywhere.

Does this when streaming through Ps3 serviio and using tv with serviio connected to my pc.

Might just be me, but movies seem to sound/look better from Ps3 streaming. Ideas there?

Question: Since i do not have cable, How can i make the TV start (when turned on) to the smart hub? Also if i can get that picture in picture in the upper left not to show the cable input. sucks to see white noise all the time.

Thank you all for your time.

Marty
Edited by Shagz - 12/10/12 at 7:14am

Hey, Shagz. I actually replied earlier saying where to change that setting, though it's can be easy to miss posts so I'll say it again. Go to Picture Options and you'll see Auto Motion Plus. This should have been changed based on the fact that you're using the settings I use, but you may have missed it. Clear should work, but if not, try what the other guy said. I may be the streaming though being it's not always happening.

Yeah a while ago you and I were talking about this, and some others. Some people said we wouldn't get the full 5 years, just Square Trades 3 years after the 1 year Samsung warranty and that you only got the extra time if you bought through Costco. Mine still says 5 years too though.
.... and thanks

You're welcome, man. Kind words, thanks. And thanks for the additional push to do it and to know it was wanted.

thanks.

Ill give your settings a try and watch a few dark movies.

appreciate the help on this!!

Hey if you have a programmable universal remote like the Logitech Harmony series you could create a macro to automatically go into the SmartHub when you start your "power on tv" action. One trick I figured out yesterday is that after you power on, if you hit the "history" button on the remote it comes up with a list of the last apps, dlna videos, etc you have used. I am using Plex on this TV and have set up a macro so that my "turn tv on" action does: power -> history -> ok, which gets me from power off to the plex main menu with one button press.

Great hint!!! Thanks, 10k!


(Anytime, Shagz)

What USB hard drive are you guys/gals using. Think ill store my backups on that, instead of streaming. Largest HD size possible.

Thanks

Well I appreciate Garnoch's Idiot's Guide and links to his settings. I'll give those a try. The Idiot's Guide explains stuff very well, although I don't want to start looking for stuff too hard lol. I got my first 3D rental from 3D-blurayrental. I signed up for the monthly fee one-at-a-time thing for now. They tell you right away if the one you ordered isn't available for immediate shipping (this happened twice) and you can write over it with another one. It shipped in 2 days to AZ and they will ship you another one if you tell them you put yours in the mail. They have like 170 3D movies. Harold and Kumar's 3D Christmas! It's freaking hilarious. My wife hated that I ordered it (she doesn't care for the stoner genre) and she liked it so much she watched it again the next day. The smoke rings come right into the room! All it needs is some fragrance

Daytime pic using the settings that garnoch posted

Whole new tv experience. Jumping up and down that's how excited I am.

Will post a night shot.

Thank you for all your work Garnoch!!

All LCD/LED's look like that during the day or bright environments becasue of the filter on the screen. Night time, in the dark will be how you will want to judge uniformity. Make sure its completely dark in your room like your last picture. You will notice Flash lighting in the corner;s and clouding. The blacks will also turn blueish/grey in the dark. My 2007 Samsung LCD will look just like that in a bright room like that picture. Even on torch settings.

The only problem with the way you have it now, is you are crushing a lot of shadow detail. Its a real bummer people have to turn on dynamic things and lower back light to hide most of the uniformity issues. Most people do not even realize how much shadow detail they are crushing with them kind of settings enabled. Jut watch a harry potter movie or any real dark movie and you will see exactly what I am talking about.
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/10/12 at 10:41am

Bolt

What settings can I try to stop crushing?

I'm new to the LCDtv game.

Thanks

It was explained to me that the concierge service was an additional term of warranty that only applies if the set was purchased through Costco, and offered directly from Costco, that makes it a full 5 years - otherwise, if you didn't buy the set there, you get the 1 year manufacturer's warranty and then the 3-year Squaretrade warranty, so 4 years total if you didn't buy the set from them.

Very odd. I wonder what we really have for coverage then? 4 years or 5 years?

The only "Dynamic" setting in those settings other than the built in Micro Dimming is Black Tone on the lowest setting, and after hours of testing both with the AVS files, Disney's WOW BD and simply bouncing back and forth with many scenes between having it on and off, and between Standard Mode and Movie mode (without Micro Dimming), there is no loss of shadows. If there is, it's maybe 1%, but I don't see it and neither does the tests on the discs and files. You'd know that if you owned the ES and tried it. I actually enjoy your posts but you shouldn't make assumptions on a TV not sitting in front of you. I promise I won't do that with your VT.

Does a plasma in general have better blacks in a completely dark room? Usually that does appear to be the case, but plasma doesn't work for everyone. It doesn't for me but I appreciate that it does for you. No need to try to make someone question their purchase though. There are plusses and minuses to each technology and it's not "one size fits all". The point of Shagz's post is that only after a couple days, he's not infinitely happier than he was when he got it and that's a great thing. Give it a month and he fine tweaks for his eyes and enjoyment rather than a meter and he'll be even happier.

I'm sure today's plasmas are even better than there were a few years ago. At least I hope so. I have a 5 year old Panny TH-50PX600U at work which was described as have very deep blacks and for the price, $3,300, you would not likely find a better 50-inch plasma display. The ES not only seriously puts it to shame but has much deeper blacks. Does the Panny have an flashlighting and such? No, but no way would I take it over the ES. Yes it's 5 years old, but back then LCDs weren't nearly as good as they are now either. Technology progresses each year.

In the spirit of "to each their own", I know Bolt will be happy with his VT and I'm very very happy that Shagz is off to a good start and feeling good.

He has no idea, he doesn't own one. Read what I wrote above and enjoy your picture.

Great question and I don't know. I'm fine with 4 years total for the price, but it does say 5 years when I log in to Square Trade.

My blacks do not look bluish in the dark. Though I wish they would be deeper, especially with the CE-dimming fix, I can't say the blacks don't look black. If blacks look bluish then there is something off in the white balance settings possibly. My blacks look black, not a hint of blue in it.


I do agree with this. I'm finding it's a trade-off, and if I want to hide that clouding as much as possible, and still keep the CE-Dimming workaround, I have to bring the backlight a bit lower than I want, plus call upon black tone to help, which does help deepen blacks, but at the expense of crushing blacks. And the clouding is still certainly noticeable during normal viewing, even with those tricks applied. None of these tricks should really be necessary. We shouldn't need to drop the backlighting and brightness just to help hide uniformity issues, and the CE-Dimming workaround probably isn't helping things, since it involves playing around with your offsets just to strike a balance, but it's the only way to tame the CE-dimming.

I do understand all sets have their odd quirks. It's just unfortunate that when you combine odd quirks and panel uniformity issues together, it makes for a frustrating experience.

I got similar results. Black tone on the lowest setting had little to no effect on the actual test patterns of the WOW disc, and it did help actually improve the blacks a bit. Now bumping it up to medium has a more dramatic effect, and that definitely crushes the test patterns. But like you said, low seems fine to me.

Yeah, medium was horrible. Its obvious on the patterns and to the eyes, very very true.

So after reading about what the CE Dimming does in Standard mode, and reading about how some people don't like it and use Movie mode I get the impression that what they don't like about it is that it dims the dark scenes even darker, and in a dark room they become too dark. I think I have that concept right. But what about stuff that's not dark, in daylight rooms? Does it even play a role there, maybe a good role? I guess I'm trying understand why a company like Samsung would champion this technology (and charge for it) if it didn't do something good.