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post #7801 of 16125
RicoFlashBack you said it!

I notice this forum has got me all OCD too =]


Im starting to trip out on color modes. My blu ray player and AVR deep color settings just got me interested in figuring out what the tv's native color gamut really is and also with the understanding that the source is never actually in deep color (or RGB) would deep color upscaling to 10/12 bit show anything noticeable? or would the native color gamut of the tv just make things worse.

plenty to get paranoid about lol
post #7802 of 16125
Samsung Approved my Exchange Request....

Now, I wonder if I'll get a new D6900 or ES model.
post #7803 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Just looked out the front door - - Darbee not here yet, but UPS tracking says it's out for shipment!
Yes - I have have seen many write ups on the Darbee and the recommended 45% setting (HD). I also noticed that there could be HDMI "handshake" problems with "Deep Color" setting on Bluray players. I changed that to "off" - - from what I read, it adds nothing to the picture but a bunch of extra bits and bytes. Apparently, it's just a marketing ploy, so I was fooled again.
I also changed the YCbCr to 4:2:2 setting - - again from the AVS Darbee forum.
FYI - - no way to change Directv settings. All hard coded. I confirmed with Directv Technical Support. I did change "Native" on my HR22-100 receiver to "off" - - much faster switching of channels and no discernible quality difference.
T-minus seven hours or less to Darbee Demo! Full post to follow with camera shots of the "Man Cave," aka "Ricodome" without any plaid clothing!!! Reset and total memory clear needed for that....smile.gif

Discussion about it here if you're interested

http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7271.0
post #7804 of 16125
New to forum, but not to Samsung 8000 series TV... Need some help here with picture "jerk" or "skip".

Background:

Xfinity HD DVR service - had this for over 2 years. Stunning on my older UN46ES8000... never really had any issues at all. Only noticed a "grainyness" to some aspects of the picture when watch Sunday Night Football on NBC.

Decided I needed a 55" in my TV room, so I bought the UN55ES8000FXZA. Had some difficulty's at first - Samsung support had me reset the TV and SmartHub after some WiFi issues and random "restarting".

Anyway, I've messed with the Auto Motion Plus and LED Motion to no avail. Some programs (various channels) will seem to "skip" frames - sometimes really dramatically. I never EVER saw this on my older UN46ES8000.

We have since moved the 46" to our bedroom and had Comcast install the Anyroom DVR... so I recorded a program last night where the "frame skip" was very prevalent on the new 55. If I watch the recorded pgm on the older 46, the image is near perfect.

It's bad enough that I'm considering returning the TV - for what I paid, I should not have to deal with this. Can anyone help? Is this common? What can I do?

FWIW - while the picture is great most of the time, the colors seem to be "off" in comparison to my older 46" TV. All I really wanted was a slightly bigger picture.
post #7805 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

I used Garnoch's Standard mode settings yesterday. To me it looks excellent color-wise, but I turned the contrast down to about 70. I find it interesting that Garnoch uses Contrast between 90-100, and Skibum 5000 uses zero. WUWT? Is that philosophical or related to input source? At least editing photos using a lot of contrast messes them up.

Zero????
Mine is based solely on the WOW BD and the AVS files. Stuff like Contrast really seems dependent on the panel. Here's a great case where if you're happy with the color/white balance, to get the files or order the disc to fine tune stuff like Contrast and Brightness for your panel.
post #7806 of 16125
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Samsung Approved my Exchange Request....
Now, I wonder if I'll get a new D6900 or ES model.
NICE! Congrats and good luck!
post #7807 of 16125
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Originally Posted by rckrz6 View Post

Anyone having issues with tv volume levels?? some input sources i literly have to turn the volume all the way up for it to be loud (75+), while other sources "25" is pretty loud. I was using a sound bar before, but now im back to normal tv speakers
edit**** auto volume seems to help a bit

I've noticed this definitely. I believe it's down to different programming. Some broadcasts/channels are much louder than others. Some I have to turn the volume way up to 80+ to hear it at a normal level, others I only need to be around 40. I played music directly from the USB port as a test and the speakers are plenty loud so it's not the speakers.
post #7808 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gwilburn View Post

New to forum, but not to Samsung 8000 series TV... Need some help here with picture "jerk" or "skip".
Background:
Xfinity HD DVR service - had this for over 2 years. Stunning on my older UN46ES8000... never really had any issues at all. Only noticed a "grainyness" to some aspects of the picture when watch Sunday Night Football on NBC.
Decided I needed a 55" in my TV room, so I bought the UN55ES8000FXZA. Had some difficulty's at first - Samsung support had me reset the TV and SmartHub after some WiFi issues and random "restarting".
Anyway, I've messed with the Auto Motion Plus and LED Motion to no avail. Some programs (various channels) will seem to "skip" frames - sometimes really dramatically. I never EVER saw this on my older UN46ES8000.
We have since moved the 46" to our bedroom and had Comcast install the Anyroom DVR... so I recorded a program last night where the "frame skip" was very prevalent on the new 55. If I watch the recorded pgm on the older 46, the image is near perfect.
It's bad enough that I'm considering returning the TV - for what I paid, I should not have to deal with this. Can anyone help? Is this common? What can I do?
FWIW - while the picture is great most of the time, the colors seem to be "off" in comparison to my older 46" TV. All I really wanted was a slightly bigger picture.

Welcome! So we know, what is your AMP on being you said you messed with it? You may want to browse the Guide link in my signature too.
post #7809 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Ah you brought up a great thing to add to the guide. Thanks. Here you go.....
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/supportOwnersHowToGuidePopup.do?howto_guide_seq=6790&prd_ia_cd=N0000058&map_seq=44746

I'm glad I brought something up that's useful for the guide! Unfortunately, when I enter that option, it asks me for a 4 digit pin? Neither my wife nor I recall ever having entered one?? Maybe we're slowly going nuts!


**Edit** I just found this link which also mentions the pin situation - http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046660&fm_seq=49625
post #7810 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Discussion about it here if you're interested
http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7271.0

Wow, interesting thread. Much more "paralysis by analysis" and critical thinking process going on over there about the Darbee Darblet.

Also many "purists" (are you listening Bolt989?smile.gif) discussing the moral platitudes of "calibration" and altering the original image.

Personally, if it makes my TV look better, I'll keep it!

Kinda like the "Belly Putter" (bad back anyone) or the use of Viagra - - which to purists would not be allowed because the vertical or horizontal enhancement (depending on your position, literally and figuratively) is not "natural."
post #7811 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

And that's all before we start talking about the level of commercials. smile.gif

I read months and months ago on arstechnica about a law that had been passed that would not allow broadcasts of commercials to be louder than the average volume of the entire episode or show it is being played during. So if you're watching a quiet drama show with all dialogue then the commercials during that show could not be louder than the average volume that drama reached. A show like American Idol could have commercials a bit louder since a lot of that show hits louder volume levels. The idea was to help control that loud blast of volume when the screaming commercials suddenly appear in the middle of your much quieter show. Supposedly they were giving broadcasters time to implement this, and I believe the deadline was this December, but I can't be certain. There seems to have been no change yet, as I'm still reaching fore the mute button when they go to a commercial.

It's called the CALM act, and here a bit about it:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/12/20/obama-signs-tv-commercial-volume-law.htm
post #7812 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

For the paranoid who are interested.....
Samsung Smart TV contain a vulnerability which allows remote attackers to swipe data from attached storage devices.
In this demonstration readers will see how it is possible to use a 0-day vulnerability to retrieve sensitive information, root access, and ultimately monitor and fully control the device remotely.
Auriemma said, “We have tested different Samsung televisions of the latest generations running the latest version of their firmware. Unfortunately we can't disclose additional information but we can only say that almost all the people having a Samsung TV at home or in their offices are affected by this vulnerability."
http://thehackernews.com/2012/12/samsung-smart-tv-vulnerability-allow.html

And this is why having a tv connected to the internet is a bad idea. Next we'll have to worry about viruses hitting our sets and rendering them useless. I have never liked the idea of having such an expensive device connected to the net with no security measures in place. My pc has lots of stuff running to try to protect it (firewalls, anti-virus, real-time scanning) but the tv is naked and open to the world. It was only a matter of time before somebody decided how to start messing with the owners.

Sure, the interactivity is great, but at what cost? What's the risk?
post #7813 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Garnoch - - if you do not have anything attached to your Sammy set (storage) can they still get access to your home network?
This makes you want to "unhook" any ethernet connection and do firmware upgrades via USB. Can you clarify?

That's an excellent question, and something to consider. Just by having my pc and and my tv linked on the same network, can hackers gain access to data on my pc?

Maybe one of us should call Samsung and ask them - I'm certain they could answer this in full. rolleyes.gif (answer from Samsung: try Dynamic mode - it's safe in dynamic mode).
post #7814 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Wow, interesting thread. Much more "paralysis by analysis" and critical thinking process going on over there about the Darbee Darblet.
Also many "purists" (are you listening Bolt989?smile.gif) discussing the moral platitudes of "calibration" and altering the original image.
Personally, if it makes my TV look better, I'll keep it!
Kinda like the "Belly Putter" (bad back anyone) or the use of Viagra - - which to purists would not be allowed because the vertical or horizontal enhancement (depending on your position, literally and figuratively) is not "natural."

Most of it's over my head sadly biggrin.gif here's a review of it

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/DarbeeVision-Visual-Presence-DVP-5000-Darbee-Darblet-Video-Enhancement-Device-Review_352/Review.html
post #7815 of 16125
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Originally Posted by EAnglum View Post

I'm far from a network nerd, but it appears the "hacker" would already have access to your local home network - which at that point you would have bigger issues than just him getting access to your TV. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

Of course, I'd rather them not be able to brick my tv set while they're at it.
post #7816 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Welcome! So we know, what is your AMP on being you said you messed with it? You may want to browse the Guide link in my signature too.

I have my AMP on the default settings... I'm not in front of the TV now, but I think I have AMP ON? I tried the LED Motion Plus on/off.

It really seems odd because I can watch NFL games and never see this... But I'll see it watch a TV show where a person is just moving.

I'll browse your "guide link" because I am an idiot, so an idiots guide might help.
post #7817 of 16125
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Originally Posted by DravensPain View Post

I'm glad I brought something up that's useful for the guide! Unfortunately, when I enter that option, it asks me for a 4 digit pin? Neither my wife nor I recall ever having entered one?? Maybe we're slowly going nuts!
**Edit** I just found this link which also mentions the pin situation - http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046660&fm_seq=49625
Great link!
post #7818 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Wow, interesting thread. Much more "paralysis by analysis" and critical thinking process going on over there about the Darbee Darblet.
Also many "purists" (are you listening Bolt989?smile.gif) discussing the moral platitudes of "calibration" and altering the original image.
Personally, if it makes my TV look better, I'll keep it!
Kinda like the "Belly Putter" (bad back anyone) or the use of Viagra - - which to purists would not be allowed because the vertical or horizontal enhancement (depending on your position, literally and figuratively) is not "natural."

Dude, wow. Good one smile.gif Forget natural haha
post #7819 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I read months and months ago on arstechnica about a law that had been passed that would not allow broadcasts of commercials to be louder than the average volume of the entire episode or show it is being played during. So if you're watching a quiet drama show with all dialogue then the commercials during that show could not be louder than the average volume that drama reached. A show like American Idol could have commercials a bit louder since a lot of that show hits louder volume levels. The idea was to help control that loud blast of volume when the screaming commercials suddenly appear in the middle of your much quieter show. Supposedly they were giving broadcasters time to implement this, and I believe the deadline was this December, but I can't be certain. There seems to have been no change yet, as I'm still reaching fore the mute button when they go to a commercial.
It's called the CALM act, and here a bit about it:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/12/20/obama-signs-tv-commercial-volume-law.htm

Oh I know about that one. We will see what happens. It still won't stop different networks from using different overall levels though. Right now there are only guidelines, but they all do it their own way.
post #7820 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gwilburn View Post

I have my AMP on the default settings... I'm not in front of the TV now, but I think I have AMP ON? I tried the LED Motion Plus on/off.
It really seems odd because I can watch NFL games and never see this... But I'll see it watch a TV show where a person is just moving.
I'll browse your "guide link" because I am an idiot, so an idiots guide might help.

Try this before anything else... Put it on Clear. A lot of us have your problem if we're on anything else. Then if need be, try Off. Then let us know. Good luck.
post #7821 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gwilburn View Post

I have my AMP on the default settings... I'm not in front of the TV now, but I think I have AMP ON? I tried the LED Motion Plus on/off.
It really seems odd because I can watch NFL games and never see this... But I'll see it watch a TV show where a person is just moving.
I'll browse your "guide link" because I am an idiot, so an idiots guide might help.

Try both AMP and LED MP set to off, these are perfect for motion handling for my set. Play around with film mode, try each setting to see which suits your source best
post #7822 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

lol..... Happened to me last night as well!! I'm hope the next firmware will take of it. smile.gif

Yeah it happens to me withing a couple minutes of turning on the set.
post #7823 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Try this before anything else... Put it on Clear. A lot of us have your problem if we're on anything else. Then if need be, try Off. Then let us know. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Try both AMP and LED MP set to off, these are perfect for motion handling for my set. Play around with film mode, try each setting to see which suits your source best

Thanks... I'll give it try. This TV does more than I'll ever use... I sit in front of a computer all day, and that's the last thing I want to do when I get home.
post #7824 of 16125
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Originally Posted by gwilburn View Post

New to forum, but not to Samsung 8000 series TV... Need some help here with picture "jerk" or "skip".
Background:
Xfinity HD DVR service - had this for over 2 years. Stunning on my older UN46ES8000... never really had any issues at all. Only noticed a "grainyness" to some aspects of the picture when watch Sunday Night Football on NBC.
Decided I needed a 55" in my TV room, so I bought the UN55ES8000FXZA. Had some difficulty's at first - Samsung support had me reset the TV and SmartHub after some WiFi issues and random "restarting".
Anyway, I've messed with the Auto Motion Plus and LED Motion to no avail. Some programs (various channels) will seem to "skip" frames - sometimes really dramatically. I never EVER saw this on my older UN46ES8000.
We have since moved the 46" to our bedroom and had Comcast install the Anyroom DVR... so I recorded a program last night where the "frame skip" was very prevalent on the new 55. If I watch the recorded pgm on the older 46, the image is near perfect.
It's bad enough that I'm considering returning the TV - for what I paid, I should not have to deal with this. Can anyone help? Is this common? What can I do?
FWIW - while the picture is great most of the time, the colors seem to be "off" in comparison to my older 46" TV. All I really wanted was a slightly bigger picture.

When we tried to buy a Samsung LED set last year, we noticed it and backed off. This year my ES7500 does it also. Some channels are totally unwatchable with the skipped frames. Clear setting on Auto Motion Plus seems to be, for whatever reason, the only AMP setting that works. All others are stuttery. Even custom stutters and drops frames. It seems to me this feature was not tested very well to handle real signals broadcast by different providers. Maybe it worked for them on paper or in a lab but based on tons of comments, it seems in practice AMP doesn't work well outside of the clear setting.
post #7825 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Zero????
Mine is based solely on the WOW BD and the AVS files. Stuff like Contrast really seems dependent on the panel. Here's a great case where if you're happy with the color/white balance, to get the files or order the disc to fine tune stuff like Contrast and Brightness for your panel.

Haha no, no I use zero for sharpness not contrast eek.gif.
For 2D contrast I'm actually at a high 98 now (but I need 70 for 3D mode otherwise the high-end gets channel clipping).

What size set do you have that has the HS01 panel?
46"? 55"? 60"? 65"?
post #7826 of 16125
HA phew! HS01 60"
99 Contrast on Movie and 94 on Standard.
And because you mentioned it, I'm thinking of looking at those with 3D on. I don't do a ton of 3D but I would guess it's a little high from what I see.
post #7827 of 16125
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Originally Posted by swugly View Post

Hi guys. I've had an amazing run with this set, and here's a follow-up of my dead pixel situation.


I've since gained two more dead/stuck pixels and using the Pixel Flipper on WoW didn't help at all.


Also, I've begun to notice a faint vertical dark band that shows up on light black scenes. It shows up nowhere else except for this specific screen color.


Lastly, clouding was a bit worse than initially expected, including the "V-shaped" spot above the logo that has refused to go away after multiple hours of gaming/movie-watching.


I've contacted Amazon and they issued a replacement set. I'm a bit nervous the set was pretty amazing, and I really don't want to get a lesser one...


How are you guys faring? Any dead pixels? Clouding better/worse? Any bands such as the one I described?

so i've had my 65" for about a month, and lately i've been noticing the above "faint vertical dark band" in some movies; the hunger games in blu ray and wrath of titans 3D in mkv via pc, both connected via hdmi directly to tv. these dark faint bands are all over the screen, but on certain angles i can't see all of it. i was cleaning the screen one night with a flashlight pointing at the screen at an angle, and i see these similar looking faint bands behind the screen as well, but not sure if it has anything to do with it. i hope this makes sense to some of you, cuz it's rather hard to explain. anyway, is there a way to make those dark faint bands go away? TIA.
post #7828 of 16125
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Originally Posted by arenaman View Post

Try both AMP and LED MP set to off, these are perfect for motion handling for my set. Play around with film mode, try each setting to see which suits your source best

Of course it's pretty bad that the best way to get a feature to work is by turning it off and not using it. If people want to have some motion interpolation enabled, they always seem to run into this stuttering issue. Samsung is not even looking into this. It has been an issue for years. It may work in a test lab on test signals, but have they actually tried using it on broadcast tv or cable or satellite? If it can't actually work correctly when using it the way people normally would, it's not much good as a feature.
post #7829 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Zero????
Mine is based solely on the WOW BD and the AVS files. Stuff like Contrast really seems dependent on the panel. Here's a great case where if you're happy with the color/white balance, to get the files or order the disc to fine tune stuff like Contrast and Brightness for your panel.

Yeah zero contrast. The person (skibum5000) said he used an i1 Pro spectrophotometer for his calibration guage. But I got the impression that was for color reproduction accuracy, and perhaps the contrast zero was because of his philosophical aversion the digital image alteration.
post #7830 of 16125
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Originally Posted by thebignewt View Post

Yeah zero contrast. The person (skibum5000) said he used an i1 Pro spectrophotometer for his calibration guage. But I got the impression that was for color reproduction accuracy, and perhaps the contrast zero was because of his philosophical aversion the digital image alteration.

No, no, I said 0 sharpness. I use 98 contrast for 2D and 70 for 3D.

0 for contrast would produce a pretty horrific result I'm sure.
Edited by skibum5000 - 12/11/12 at 11:58am
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