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post #7921 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Yes/No: No
TV size: 55ES8000
Panel Type (SQ01,HS01,US02, etc.): TS01

Same answers from me.
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post #7923 of 16125
A couple shots of my Sammy 65" 8000 with the new Pioneer SC65 (Marvell QDEO video processing):






Pretty good images if I do say so myself. I'm finding that it takes a while to fully tweak the settings to optimize for both Bluray and satellite - which you are seeing above from Directv - - Aliens, XMen & Cowboy flick on Sony tonight.

As I mentioned before, I tried the Darbee Darblet but very little improvement on our Sammy set. I really believe that the Darblet technology is better suited for large projectors and DLP's. It all where your point of reference is - - your starting point and I believe we all have very good pictures to begin with. Always tweaking....always thinkin, Butch....
post #7924 of 16125
Whoa, those are stunning pictures, rico.

How would you rate your TV's PQ with blu ray, say from 1-10?

Sorry to put you on the spot, but wondering how you feel after a multi K investment?
post #7925 of 16125
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Whoa, those are stunning pictures, rico.
How would you rate your TV's PQ with blu ray, say from 1-10?
Sorry to put you on the spot, but wondering how you feel after a multi K investment?

Thanks for the post. I think my satellite picture (Directv) with my Pioneer SC65 AVR with Marvell QDEO processing gets very, very close to Bluray. If I had to give it a number, I'd say 8.5.

I don't think you can beat Bluray for overall quality - - both audio and video, due to compression. That's why I joined 3Dblurayrental.com - they ship 3D Bluray discs without dumbing down the soundtracks like Blockbuster or Netflix does. With all the data - - you just can't go wrong with a quality Bluray player - - and for $200, you can get a decent one like the Sony BDP S790. I know a lot of people really like OPPO and they sure sound like they are worth the investment.

I do not stream movies, as much, primarily due to quality of video and audio (mostly limited on audio to 5.1 - some like VUDU (thanks Anthony!) can stream in 7.1, but it's more expensive.

Garnoch and I also have a difference of opinion about video processing (which is o.k.!) I really think it makes a positive difference. I've experienced two different video processing technologies- - Yamaha's HQV Vida and Pioneer's Marvell QDEO. Each has their own pluses and minuses - - but both have helped the PQ - - especially with satellite.

Geez, Louise, if I had the money, I'd buy myself my own small theater and spend a million or so on high end equipment. To me - - $3,600 for a TV and $1,200 for a receiver is high end! And, you'd be surprised what bang you can get for your buck at places like Craiglist (where I sold my Yamaha receiver.) They are a great place to find good equipment that is being sold because the owners' are upgrading their home theaters.

But without a doubt - - the best move I made was to move to 9.1 speakers and get a quality receiver that handles Dolby IIz and DTS Neo:X "upmixing." I listen to everything these days with a minimum of 7.1 channels (from 5.1 sources) or 9.1 from 7.1 sources - - using both technologies.

It just fills out the man cave with great, clear sound and really feels like you're at the movies! (Except the beer, drinks, Jack, Gin & Tonic plus snacks are way cheaper!)
Edited by Ricoflashback - 12/12/12 at 9:52pm
post #7926 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Yeah yeah yeah haha. smile.gif
MD is suppose to be present in all modes except Movie and Cal-Day & Cal-Night. I can see it's difference from Standard to Movie. Now I am definitely not saying its not marketing though, nor am I saying it's better. My guess is it was cheaper this way - and did away with the halo/blooming issues. You still won't get me to go plasma my friend. smile.gif It's bad enough I have to work with one every day.
As for 10p, you're totally correct, but after trying many many settings to see what worked best more me, CNET's 10p settings were what I chose and they make a difference between Movie and Standard. So if I could combine those with the supposed MD, then I would be happier.

Gotchya.... Ona side note if Samsung wanted to do away with the blooming effects from Cinema black, why would they add it in to their 9,000 dollar top of the line ES9000 model? See what I am saying? They cant say that is the reason. That feature should have made it in the ES8000 and the ES9000 should have just been a larger ES8000 for half the price of the 9000.

That is my only issue with this set. The top left/bottom left have baseball size lighting that stick out like a sore thumb to me. Wife don't care friends over dont care. Still tweaking this set. Most likely a keeper. I did not like the auto dimming features. I think it took too long to dim and brighten back up. Not sure if u can adjust the delay.

If this set had the cinema black. It would rule.

Will see if it happens down the road.
post #7927 of 16125
I have a question, do all s-pva panels suffer from ghost/smudging/trailing blacks... I just noticed it the other day playing games and scrolling through the xbox menus... I then ran a test image to confirm it. Although its not even near as bad as the v4000 sony tv i used to own its def there. Not to big of a deal since i can only realy see it gaming but do IPS panels for example suffer the same problems?

Also why doesn't this set auto detect dolby digital support from my playstation or xbox? i have to force it on
Edited by rckrz6 - 12/12/12 at 11:23pm
post #7928 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Guys,
Can anyone post a Service Menu how to for the ES8000.. How to enter it, move around, change, save, and exit. Including a detailed list of what is in there and what effect it has if changed. This would be great to have. smile.gif


with tv power off... mute, 1, 8, 2 power on


Its mostly a bunch of gerbish in there i would DEF not make any changes as u can't reset them and voids the warranty if they find out
post #7929 of 16125
Here is some good reading about the inside of the ES8000 series, I'm not sure if this has been posted here before, If it has please let me know and I'll delete it. . smile.gif

http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2012/04/12/inside-a-samsung-8000-series-smart-tv/
post #7930 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

A couple shots of my Sammy 65" 8000 with the new Pioneer SC65 (Marvell QDEO video processing):

As I mentioned before, I tried the Darbee Darblet but very little improvement on our Sammy set. I really believe that the Darblet technology is better suited for large projectors and DLP's. It all where your point of reference is - - your starting point and I believe we all have very good pictures to begin with. Always tweaking....always thinkin, Butch....

What settings do you use on the Pioneer? I have the same Marvell QDEO on my Pioneer, but never really messed with any of the video settings. Do you force output 1080p, leave it on auto? Mess with any of the extra settings like pure cinema or contrast/brightness tweaks?
post #7931 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

A couple shots of my Sammy 65" 8000 with the new Pioneer SC65 (Marvell QDEO video processing):




Pretty good images if I do say so myself. I'm finding that it takes a while to fully tweak the settings to optimize for both Bluray and satellite - which you are seeing above from Directv - - Aliens, XMen & Cowboy flick on Sony tonight.
As I mentioned before, I tried the Darbee Darblet but very little improvement on our Sammy set. I really believe that the Darblet technology is better suited for large projectors and DLP's. It all where your point of reference is - - your starting point and I believe we all have very good pictures to begin with. Always tweaking....always thinkin, Butch....

Rico, buddy, Not sure if it's the camera but you are crushing a ton of shadow detail my friend! It may be the camera, only you can say if those are what you actually see. From what I see on my Calibrated computer monitor at work, those pictures have major shadow detail loss. In fact on the Xmen shot, I can actually see some banding/uneven light in the white shades. The skin tones have a little redish cast to them as well. Again, this could be from the camera itself. That's why its not a very good idea to take pictures from a camera.
Edited by Bolt989 - 12/13/12 at 6:28am
post #7932 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Here is some good reading about the inside of the ES8000 series, I'm not sure if this has been posted here before, If it has please let me know and I'll delete it. . smile.gif
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2012/04/12/inside-a-samsung-8000-series-smart-tv/

Very informative article. Thanks for the post. A lot of this is over my head, though.

What...no flux capacitor in our models? What were they thinking?
post #7933 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Rico, buddy, Not sure if it's the camera but you are crushing a ton of shadow detail my friend! It may be the camera, only you can say if those are what you actually see. From what I see on my Calibrated computer monitor at work, those pictures have major shadow detail loss. In fact on the Xmen shot, I can actually see some banding/uneven light in the white shades.

Bolt989 - I think it's mostly the camera. And some of the pics vary depending on the source material - - one think that I have found out about Directv is that not all channels are the same - - picture wise.

I'm always open to improving my PQ - - so any suggestions on how best to improve "shadow detail" on our sets is appreciated. I'm in Standard mode - - so that could affect it. I could never find a Movie Mode that worked properly - - to dull of a picture.

Again - - I'm not sure "what you see is what you get" - from the camera shots (small Sony camera) but as I said, I'm always open to suggestions.

For the NFL and sports - - the picture is fantastic!

Even older movies like Aliens came across beautifully. And it really does vary from channel to channel. My guess is that we are dealing with compression issues. I also like a sharper picture, so what's the trade off between enhanced shadow detail?
post #7934 of 16125
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I thought it was appropriate to post this here:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/how-an-internet-connected-samsung-tv-can-spill-your-deepest-secrets/
"How an Internet-connected Samsung TV can spill your deepest secrets"

Your article is the best one for info so far. I'm safe, I use NAT smile.gif... for now
post #7935 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

What settings do you use on the Pioneer? I have the same Marvell QDEO on my Pioneer, but never really messed with any of the video settings. Do you force output 1080p, leave it on auto? Mess with any of the extra settings like pure cinema or contrast/brightness tweaks?

Video wise - pretty much everything is "Default" settings. I bumped "Contrast" up to +2 as well as "Detail."

The audio settings really help - - Dialogue to "FLAT" - which really helps since I've lost a lot of high end hearing - - it helps with the center channel and Front Wide "On" - sometimes I use this setting if I am not using my "Front Wides" to provide a more seamless, cross to cross soundstage from Front Left to Center to Front Right.

Where the Pioneer Receivers REALLY shine, in my humble opinion, is with the sound processing! Incredible depth, detail and imaging. I also bumped up my rear surrounds and rear right & left (11.1 speaker configuration) - volume wise.
post #7936 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Rico, buddy, Not sure if it's the camera but you are crushing a ton of shadow detail my friend! It may be the camera, only you can say if those are what you actually see. From what I see on my Calibrated computer monitor at work, those pictures have major shadow detail loss. In fact on the Xmen shot, I can actually see some banding/uneven light in the white shades. The skin tones have a little redish cast to them as well. Again, this could be from the camera itself. That's why its not a very good idea to take pictures from a camera.

RFB should get a plasma already I think. smile.gif

I agree it's probably the camera though. I've never posted pics of my screen because every time I have tried to take pictures, regardless of camera (I've tried a couple), I can't see even 25% of the shadow detail in them. The latest was on a sports talk show and this guys was wear a black suit jacket with black stripes. It looked amazing on the screen and every time I took a picture, it just looked like he was wearing a black jacket.

RFB, thanks for the pics though. I can at least judge them against others that have been posted and it looks like it would be a great viewing experience.
post #7937 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Video wise - pretty much everything is "Default" settings. I bumped "Contrast" up to +2 as well as "Detail."
The audio settings really help - - Dialogue to "FLAT" - which really helps since I've lost a lot of high end hearing - - it helps with the center channel and Front Wide "On" - sometimes I use this setting if I am not using my "Front Wides" to provide a more seamless, cross to cross soundstage from Front Left to Center to Front Right.
Where the Pioneer Receivers REALLY shine, in my humble opinion, is with the sound processing! Incredible depth, detail and imaging. I also bumped up my rear surrounds and rear right & left (11.1 speaker configuration) - volume wise.

Well heres a tip I just figured out. If you find the V.Adj setting, it defaults to plasma, if you change it to LCD the picture looks noticeably better.
post #7938 of 16125
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Here is some good reading about the inside of the ES8000 series, I'm not sure if this has been posted here before, If it has please let me know and I'll delete it. . smile.gif
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2012/04/12/inside-a-samsung-8000-series-smart-tv/

I haven't seen anything from chipworks posted here. Thanks, man!
post #7939 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Mavinwow View Post

Well heres a tip I just figured out. If you find the V.Adj setting, it defaults to plasma, if you change it to LCD the picture looks noticeably better.

Thats because like Bolt always says, plasma has it's plusses but overall is inferior. wink.gif
post #7940 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Shagz View Post

That is my only issue with this set. The top left/bottom left have baseball size lighting that stick out like a sore thumb to me. Wife don't care friends over dont care. Still tweaking this set. Most likely a keeper. I did not like the auto dimming features. I think it took too long to dim and brighten back up. Not sure if u can adjust the delay.
If this set had the cinema black. It would rule.
Will see if it happens down the road.

I don't expect it to show up in the eve kit because I don't know where the technology is for that. Panel? Chips? I agree it would be nice, but what you're seeing may diminish in the next couple weeks, but you'll fine tune your settings which helps as well. Keep it up, Shagz? Is it still much better than when you first took that pic?
post #7941 of 16125
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Originally Posted by rckrz6 View Post

I have a question, do all s-pva panels suffer from ghost/smudging/trailing blacks... I just noticed it the other day playing games and scrolling through the xbox menus... I then ran a test image to confirm it. Although its not even near as bad as the v4000 sony tv i used to own its def there. Not to big of a deal since i can only realy see it gaming but do IPS panels for example suffer the same problems?
Also why doesn't this set auto detect dolby digital support from my playstation or xbox? i have to force it on

I haven't noticed the issue you talk about so I thought I'd bump this for you. Plus I have a question though about the sound. Are you running the sound directly to the TV and the TV is what isn't detecting DD? I'm a little confused on what you mean.
post #7942 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

Thats because like Bolt always says, plasma has it's plusses but overall is inferior. wink.gif

And this is coming from a person who adjusts 10p white balance by eye and thinks putting someone else's calibrated 10P white balance is doing good. If only he you knew what a calibrated picture is supposed to look like tongue.gif
post #7943 of 16125
Coming from me? Oh you didn't say that? wink.gif
You didn't read my post though haha. I agreed you can't do it correctly without equipment, and being I don't have equipment, I had to try several posted actual calibrations to see which fit my panel and eye best. What I didn't say was that was perhaps a little easier for me to do that because the shows I was using as color tests, I know what the Edit Masters of those shows look like.
post #7944 of 16125
Amazon Cloud Player arrives for Roku boxes, Samsung Smart TVs
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/amazon-cloud-player-arrives-for-roku-boxes-samsung-smart-tvs/

CALM act goes into effect today, should keep TV commercial breaks quieter
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/13/calm-act-loud-tv-advertising/

Samsung's chief strategy officer admits to using Apple's iPhone, iPad & Mac at home
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/12/13/samsungs-chief-strategy-officer-admits-to-using-apples-iphone-ipad-mac-at-home
post #7945 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

And this is coming from a person who adjusts 10p white balance by eye and thinks putting someone else's calibrated 10P white balance is doing good. If only he you knew what a calibrated picture is supposed to look like tongue.gif

OK boys, break it up. Garnoch - go to the neutral corner. Bolt989 - quit hitting below the belt and after the break. And for God's sakes, Bolt 989, never wear those pink boxing trunks again - - even though they show great "shadow detail" on Plasma sets. smile.gif
post #7946 of 16125
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

OK boys, break it up. Garnoch - go to the neutral corner. Bolt989 - quit hitting below the belt and after the break. And for God's sakes, Bolt 989, never wear those pink boxing trunks again - - even though they show great "shadow detail" on Plasma sets. smile.gif

No pun intended, if you give a little, expect a little back smile.gif
post #7947 of 16125
I do smile.gif Luckily Bolt knows how to play and is good spirited. We can either flame him for only posting in this thread when he doesn't own an ES or we can have some fun once in a while.
post #7948 of 16125
I was dicking around with the "fake 3D" last night after watching The Christmas Story bluray DVD. It's actually pretty cool. I thought it looked better with the glasses than the regular way. But I noticed one thing about the picture modes: there's Standard, Natural, Dynamic, and Movie when I watch TV. But I think there's a BD mode that appears when the bluray disc was playing. Is there a 3D mode when you have a 3D disc showing?
post #7949 of 16125
Bolt989 - thanks for the comment about "shadow detail" on my pics submitted. It got me to thinking (a dangerous prospect) even though I believe a lot of the loss of detail is with the camera itself.

And even though you do not own a Sammy set (kind of like the Pope telling people about birth control - if you no play the game, you no maka the rules...) I still appreciate your Plasma promo comments & suggestions. smile.gif

As I mentioned before in this thread - - I moved from a Yamaha RX-A2000 with HQV Vida video processing to a Pioneer Elite SC65 with Marvell QDEO video processing.

Guess what - I just tried Garnoch's "Movie" settings and they look great! This is the first time that I've been able to get the "Movie" setting to have enough clarity and sharpness on the PQ to rival or exceed the Standard mode. And Bolt989 - you'll be glad to know that there is more "Shadow Detail" present. I'm sure I'll tweak some more.

It just goes to show you - - all assumptions are out the window and you need to start over when getting new equipment - - especially AVR's with video processors. And then again, the firmware updates could have something to do with it as well.
post #7950 of 16125
Notice last nite on 3D mode my backlite was turned all the way up too 20. Is that right ??
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